Yeah pretty much. I can't think of anything that's been cut so far.
Kimetsu no Yaiba
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They did an entire movie around a relatively minor but popular character. They will milk this as much as they can so no way are they cutting stuff.
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They did an entire movie around a relatively minor but popular character. They will milk this as much as they can so no way are they cutting stuff.
That was a canon arc. They did it as a movie because the length was about right for it and that allowed them to get REALLY bloody. I didn't understand WHY it needed to be a movie either until it got… REALLY bloody. And immediately went "ah."
They obviously then put it out in tv episodes and only added a little content and only removed a little so it could always have just... been a show... but the movie version did have some legit "not for TV" moments. And legit flowed better without breaks.
Yes there was obviously monetary incentive to do it, but I can see legit artistic reasons to want to.
That it made a unheard of shitload of cash means they might now do a filler movie now or break the final arc into movies instead of episodes or something... but there were some legit reasons to go theatrical.
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I find the manga really amusing, it's a simple story but greatly done. The anime is another beast, it just seems to be some of the best that we have going today in regard of flashy scenes (Ousama Ranking is up there because no one is doing fluid motion like them)
The anime is 100% responsible for its success. It was just chugging along in the magazine doign fine, but it didn't become a hit until after the anime threw a ton of budget into those fight scenes.
Like the series was already in its final arc when that happened, only 6 or 7 months from finishing, and I'm not sure they would have okayed that if they'd had any inkling it was going to do… this.
But its only about halfway so they can still get another 3 or 4 years of anime out of it and a couple movies. Probably spinoff mangas.
Or maybe the way forward is just to keep series at around 20-25 volumes so fans can actually impulse buy the whole thing and an anime can really go to town on it knowing its a short investment. Between this and Jujutsu Kaisen...
The Death Note creative team made it very clear in Bakuman that they wished they had been allowed to keep it short.
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That was a canon arc. They did it as a movie because the length was about right for it and that allowed them to get REALLY bloody. I didn't understand WHY it needed to be a movie either until it got… REALLY bloody. And immediately went "ah."
They obviously then put it out in tv episodes and only added a little content and only removed a little so it could always have just... been a show... but the movie version did have some legit "not for TV" moments. And legit flowed better without breaks.
Yes there was obviously monetary incentive to do it, but I can see legit artistic reasons to want to.
That it made a unheard of shitload of cash means they might now do a filler movie now or break the final arc into movies instead of episodes or something... but there were some legit reasons to go theatrical.
It still kind of astounds me that it's now the highest grossing movie in Japan ever. Like, it's not even that close, it made 9 billion yen more than Spirited Away. It's technically not even a standalone story as you have to watch the TV show to get the full context. I mean, how did this show do it and not One Piece or Dragon Ball? Was it because it was a canon arc?
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Toei Animation is a joke and they don't deserve to be anywhere near the record even if they have the rights to franchises like One Piece and Dragon Ball.
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It still kind of astounds me that it's now the highest grossing movie in Japan ever. Like, it's not even that close, it made 9 billion yen more than Spirited Away. It's technically not even a standalone story as you have to watch the TV show to get the full context. I mean, how did this show do it and not One Piece or Dragon Ball? Was it because it was a canon arc?
It's literally because the OP anime is considered to be boring here in Japan. Yes, of course there's people watching it because it runs on the TV for free. Just like we have people here in the forum still watching each episode and consider it to be actual good. And while taste is a personal thing there are objectively issues with the anime that have been discussed to death. And it's these issues that make many people here not think of the OP anime an interesting watch. They are not excited to tune in for it.
I'm talking about various ages here. Among the various children and youths I teach, they are either interested in kiddie stuff like Anpanman and Doraemon or go to the other extreme with Kimetsu. OP get's a very rare mention. They know of it but that's about it.
Adults on the other hand are totally into Kimetsu, Jujutsu or Tokyo Revengers. Again they know of One Piece but they don't talk about this in excitement. In both situations I'm talking about what seems to be a more casual audience and fans like us who even go to online forums to discuss it. From what I personally can gather it seems like they actually tune in to see where those other series are going. While OP seems more to be something that's just running when they switch the channel.
This is of course not representative at all and just the observation I could make, which is very limited. Also it's heavily influenced by my personal reading and opinion of the crapfest that is the One Piece anime. But I do think that there's some truth to be found in this.
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I started watching the anime recently and it's good, I just don't see how it's record breaking, cultural phenomenon good. I do appreciate that it keeps faithful to the premise. Tanjiro joins the demon slayers and does quests sent by the demon slayer corps.
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Because I'm a huge One Piece fan that's followed it for decades adn has every volume and the artbooks and a 300$ Jinbei statue, and I only watch the anime once every four years to see how a certain thing is handled in animation, try it for a week or two, then go "yeah, the pacing still sucks" and then don't watch it again for a few more years. I still haven't seen the most recent movie. And I'm a huge One Piece fan!
Of course casual audiences aren't going to be excited about the incredibly poorly paced running for 25 years anime, there's nothing to get excited about. Yeah they upped their visual game when they got Wano but that only goes so far. It's not an event, something exciting that airs for 3 months at super high quality… it's padded filler and background noise.
Strong World, the one Oda personally helmed, during Marineford, right around 10 years, was able to get a lot of hype... but even then the movie wasn't that great because Oda was doing what he felt a movie should be rather than a good movie. (He was originally going to do Luffy and Ace's childhood there and then went "no it should be big and loud and have lots of fart noises and animals" instead.) The childhood stuff then obviously made its way into the actual manga afterwards but... most people tend to agree Film Z was better. No one talks about Gold, and Stampede was apparenltly well received but three years later, I, a guy that lives on a One Piece forum, still hasn't seen it and only knows that's the movie where they made "Laugh Tale" official.
Meanwhile Demon Slayer is kinda generic but holy hell does the anime elevate it like crazy. Theres a reason the manga only did okay, and then exploded to record breaking numbers when the anime came out. Also, its FINISHED, so folks know where its going and that it will in fact have an ending in the near future, they don't have to be invested for another decade and another 40 volumes.
(Same thing happened with Bleach all those years ago. The anime did a hard carry there.)
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I started watching the anime recently and it's good, I just don't see how it's record breaking, cultural phenomenon good. I do appreciate that it keeps faithful to the premise. Tanjiro joins the demon slayers and does quests sent by the demon slayer corps.
Have you gotten to the spider fights yet? Thats when they started really pushing it and it started getting noticed.
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I don't know. I saw the anime without first reading the manga and I still don't really get it. Maybe great animation just doesn't impress me as much as it used to.
Also, does anyone care to explain and/or defend Zenitsu? This kid ain't no Usopp, he's just kind of a dumb schmuck.
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Have you gotten to the spider fights yet? Thats when they started really pushing it and it started getting noticed.
Yes, I watched the 2 seasons and the movie in order. Episode 19 was flashy and cool, but I enyojed the fluidity of the early water moves more. Even then, animation can only do so much. One Punch Man exploded in popularity with a masterfully crafted anime but didn't come close to what Kimetsu has become.
Also, does anyone care to explain and/or defend Zenitsu? This kid ain't no Usopp, he's just kind of a dumb schmuck.
He's awful, and so is Inosuke in their introduction arc. They get better/less bad later. Which reminded me, Tanjiro was unbearable at the beginning, he was doing nonstop narration.
Wash your hands.
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One Punch Man exploded in popularity with a masterfully crafted anime but didn't come close to what Kimetsu has become.
For starters, its a gag series.
For another, for all intents and purposes, it started and finished after that one season.
Yeah, the manga is still going, and there was a second season of the anime by another studio much more poorly done… but there's nothing promising a bigger story or dragging you back for more. No character arcs or ultimate villains to defeat, no siblings to save or loved ones to avenge. You see that one season and you've seen everything it has to offer.
Also in that case, as good as the anime looked, the manga looked better and the anime was just taking the gauntlet thrown at them, it didn't massively elevate what was already there. If it didn't look as good as it did, everyone would have agreed there was no point in doing it. It didn't surprise and elevate the material, it just met the high bar set for it. (Arguably, the well drawn manga compared to One's original already did that.)
And then failed to clear that bar in season 2. There probably won't be a season 3.
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Strong World, the one Oda personally helmed, during Marineford, right around 10 years, was able to get a lot of hype… but even then the movie wasn't that great because Oda was doing what he felt a movie should be rather than a good movie. (He was originally going to do Luffy and Ace's childhood there and then went "no it should be big and loud and have lots of fart noises and animals" instead.) The childhood stuff then obviously made its way into the actual manga afterwards but... most people tend to agree Film Z was better. No one talks about Gold, and Stampede was apparenltly well received but three years later, I, a guy that lives on a One Piece forum, still hasn't seen it and only knows that's the movie where they made "Laugh Tale" official.
Have you gotten to the spider fights yet? Thats when they started really pushing it and it started getting noticed.Spare yourself Stampede. It's literally One Piece Fanservice the movie. It's just throwing many characters from the manga at us and that's it. The first half of the movie is literally a more poorly done version of the first half of Movie for only with a lot of familiar characters. Dead End Race IMO was interesting until the race actually started and the ships got of the island. Everything afterwards is forgettable which I mean quite literally because no many times I've seen it I don't remember what happened between the start of the race and Gasparde getting thrown into the storm. On that accord Stampede has the better second half because the fight against Bullet (who himself is meh, and being a former Roger Pirate doesn't save him from that) has some stakes and tension going for it. One Piece Gold is underrated IMO. It's not stellar but for what sets out to do, it does a pretty good job. It's pretty much how a Strawhat Adventure on a city sized casino ship would play out. Might not be to everyone's liking but there is the usual sense of wonder and exploration that's a trademark for One Piece only to have the conflict kicking in.
I don't know. I saw the anime without first reading the manga and I still don't really get it. Maybe great animation just doesn't impress me as much as it used to.
The one thing that Kimetsu actually does and by that I mean both manga and anime, is show where the villains came from. It does a very good way of showing the humans that they were without actually redeeming them for their cruel actions as demons. But it makes them more tragic characters because it shows what kind of curse becoming a demon actually is. It's an interesting take that paired with the anime creating an overall good atmosphere with good pace and actual stakes makes people want to tune in for more. Especially since it creates a feeling of this is actually going somewhere.
Also, does anyone care to explain and/or defend Zenitsu? This kid ain't no Usopp, he's just kind of a dumb schmuck.
Nope, there's no way to defend him. He is just terrible. And as much as the anime amplyfies everything about the manga, it does so with Zenitsu aswell. If there's anybody who likes Zenitsu from the anime it's little children. He's an terrible character that should die a horrible miserable death.
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Zenitsu was so disappointing because I liked his look in the opening, and then he arrived and was… that.
He was asleep like the entirety of the entertainment arc and I preferred him that way.
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Yep, in the entertainment arc he was mostly sleepwalking/-fighting which is the only time where actually doesn't freak out.
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I assumed/assume at some point his whiny personality and his "hard trained uber badass personality that only comes out in his sleep" would eventually come together but halfway through the series he seems to still not even know he does that.
I obviously haven't read the second half of the manga and don't want the spoilers but its just… ugh, he's so bad.
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I assumed/assume at some point his whiny personality and his "hard trained uber badass personality that only comes out in his sleep" would eventually come together but halfway through the series he seems to still not even know he does that.
I obviously haven't read the second half of the manga and don't want the spoilers but its just… ugh, he's so bad.
I'm sorry to say that he is basically the Ussop of this story.
A shame really.
Its pretty clear that there is an audience out there that like those kind of characters.
HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?
ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.
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I'm sorry to say that he is basically the Ussop of this story.
Usopp is awesome though. And eventually outgrew most of his worst habits.
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Demon Slayer is a very mid series and honestly not deserving of the explosive popularity it has but hey that's what a good anime will do for you I guess.
At least JJK is a lot more interesting and refreshing and more deserving of all the attention it gets even if the story is a bit of a mess and the fights are too long lol
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The one thing that Kimetsu actually does and by that I mean both manga and anime, is show where the villains came from. It does a very good way of showing the humans that they were without actually redeeming them for their cruel actions as demons. But it makes them more tragic characters because it shows what kind of curse becoming a demon actually is. It's an interesting take that paired with the anime creating an overall good atmosphere with good pace and actual stakes makes people want to tune in for more. Especially since it creates a feeling of this is actually going somewhere.
! So did Bleach lol And it also did the cardinal sin of giving them the flashback right as they are about to die like Bleach so it's like who cares, you're gonna die in 5 seconds, you don't matter anymore. I honestly really hate that trope. Doesn't help that in Demon Slayer they all feel super one note on the same boring vein of "I just wanted to protect my loved ones :'("
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For me, Jujutsu is a pretentious serie and it does not deserve its success, so to each its own :-)
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To me JJK is by far the best series Jump has to offer. It's like a cross between Hunter x Hunter and Fullmetal Alchemist in terms of worldbuilding, themes and deconstruction of Shonen tropes. If anything it's still greatly underrated.
On the Usopp matter. You cannot really compare Zenitsu to Usopp. Usopp is just cowardly but back in the old day that also created a lot of fun moments and interactions. It only became annoying nowadays because he should have developed a bit further away from that. Zenitsu is on the other hand combines the worst aspects of Usopp's fear and the worst aspects of Sanji's obsession with women into one unbearable constantly freaking out loudmouth. Also unlike Usopp he's doesn't find his courage because he decides to fight back but because he literally becomes Hakuba. Only that Cavendish is badass even without Hakuba while Zenitsu is not. Truly a terrible character and I will Ufotable could town him down a bit. He's unbearable in the anime.
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Zenitsu is also unbearable in the manga.
! Poor Nezuko, married her stalker. Guess that's what you get for being a non character.
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To me JJK is by far the best series Jump has to offer. It's like a cross between Hunter x Hunter and Fullmetal Alchemist in terms of worldbuilding, themes and deconstruction of Shonen tropes. If anything it's still greatly underrated.
They're directed to different targets. Kimetsu is more child friendly, JJK more mature, so it makes sense that the first became more popular. A kid won't find interesting Itadoris thoughts on killing or dying properly, but will feel emotional when KNY shoves a flashback each time a demon dies. On the other hand, the flashbacks and themes are still there for adults to enjoy.
Anyway, I forgot that Zenitsu was a creep. I guess I just mentally blocked his scenes because I don't remember what he did other than figthing a spider with a human head and be asleep the whole second season.
Wash your hands.
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! So did Bleach lol And it also did the cardinal sin of giving them the flashback right as they are about to die like Bleach so it's like who cares, you're gonna die in 5 seconds, you don't matter anymore. I honestly really hate that trope. Doesn't help that in Demon Slayer they all feel super one note on the same boring vein of "I just wanted to protect my loved ones :'("
Nah, we still have no idea what aizen's supposedly sob story was and ulquiorra was supposed to be some overly abstract shit. Grimmjow's entire flashback belonged to a villain from the 80s. You can't really argue how superficial Bleach was compared to KnY. I mean, I guess there's tousen but even that was shit because it wasn't explained.
On the other hand the top 3 upper moons in KnY had differing backstories.! 3rd: vengence, 2nd: apathy 1st: envy that served as complete different stories for them to do evil. . Well except for Muzan but him having no redemption was the whole point because almost everyone had some sort of redemption except for that guy, it was intentional that he was the only scum.
I don't get how that registered as a similar trope for you unless you skipped the entire thingAlso didn't zenitsu risked his life in this recent animated arc against an opponent that can easily kill him because she was hurting a young girl? That seriousness was 100% him and not his "everyone thinks his fighting form is his alter ego" self. His contributions mattered when it came down to fighting scenes and everything outside of it was to use for comedic relief anyway. I'm not saying he's a good character but he's not useless. He is also not Hakuba or a Sogeking, showing several times that he remembered what happened when he was asleep and fighting. The sleepwalking is likely a byproduct of utilizing his skill and not an alterego. It's a quirk, not a complete different personality like sogeking or hakuba. This is the same guy who practiced a single move over a thousand times, at the very least that attunes to his hard work.
Honestly breaking down Zenitsu and understanding "the west hates the character but why does the japanese love him so much" is pretty much one way to look at why KnY did so damn well in Japan and people love it despite everyone else with their pitchforks crying out that its generic in the west. It's not just kids who love him, a fair percentage of readers do too. Also, KnY did extremely well even before the anime, it's not just "visuals good children watch money come". But that's a really long discussion to have on why cultural aspects can be lost on a westernized audience and its exasperating at this point so I'll pass and just go with the flow. It doesn't matter anyway because I am here for the visuals so its hypocritical to say I enjoy the cultural aspects more than the sick ass animation. I did, and a minority of us, did enjoy the manga way before this thing blew up tho and its not for the art for sure.
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For me, Jujutsu is a pretentious serie and it does not deserve its success, so to each its own :-)
I find it hard to believe that this is a serious take by someone who is up to date with the manga, which is to say I assume you are probably not.
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Regardless of how good or bad a series is there’s going to be people who absolutely love it and people who absolutely hate it
Everything is someone’s favorite and someone’s least favorite
Because people have varying different taste
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They're directed to different targets. Kimetsu is more child friendly, JJK more mature, so it makes sense that the first became more popular. A kid won't find interesting Itadoris thoughts on killing or dying properly, but will feel emotional when KNY shoves a flashback each time a demon dies. On the other hand, the flashbacks and themes are still there for adults to enjoy.
And what's that got to do with anything I said? I mainly said why to me personally Jujutsu is the best thing in Jump right now.
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I also like most of the voice actors they've chosen for Kimetsu. Even Zenitsu's boring screaming becomes a little less annoying cuz I find it funny.
On the Jujutsu topic, I find it quite hard to keep tabs up as a casual reader. I keep forgetting stuff or misremembering when something happened. Like, a LOT. I'm willing to reread it all eventually just to see how tidy it is and if I can get behind the hype I've seen online. In my eyes, the anime does look better and gives a better grasp of what's going on during fights too.
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Can’t wait to see the fights in the new season, I wonder if they can out do there last fight
I can’t stress enough how much I prefer the anime over the manga
I don’t care for the manga but love the anime
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The fight in episode 10 season 2 is the most amazing thing I've seen in a regular anime episode. If they top that my head's gonna explode.
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New trailer out
Also Ufotable is making a Genshin Impact anime also, which I usually wouldn’t be interested in but it’s Ufotable, after how great they did with animating Demon Slayer, I’ll watch anything they put out now, I didn’t like the Demon Slayer manga but I love the anime, so I’ll def watch this
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Just finished watching a whoppin 50 minutes for the first episode of the Swordsmith Arc.
I did re-read this some time last year and I remember a bit here and there, but it'll still be a good time!
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God damn that animation is good!
My wish is for Ufotable to reanimate One Piece once it’s finished
I know it’ll never happen but a man can dream can’t he!
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@Shiebs They can only do that level of quality because they're only doing like 10 episodes a year with year long gaps between seasons. AND they know its a limited series with a definite end point.
That's just not something that's feasible with a show that would take hundreds of episodes even filler free.
And Toei has been doing good on the OP anime as of late, some real fire sequences... just handicapped by STILL being a weekly and having to stretch everything accordingly.
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I finished group-watching the Entertainment District arc in English. If anyone catches wind of when the English dub for Swordsmith Village starts, please post!
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I've been getting more interested in this series, should just pick up the manga. It's done! (unlike MHA or HxH or Kaisen or Chainsan Man or all the other series I put off). It seems very by-the-books, but I respect that it essentially went in and went out. Had a goal (Tanjiro curing his sister) and it set out to that goal.
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The last episode was so slow it reminded me of 90s Dragon Ball..."Five minutes until Namek explodes..."
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One episode left, hope they go all out with the animation
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Nah, the anime is the only reason anyone cares about this series.
Unless you really, REALLY want to see the ending but the animation iis completely carrying a mediocre repetitive story.
I enjoyed it at first but the formula is so entrenched by the fourth arc I'm getting super bored with it.
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The pacing was awful this season, with such memorable moments as guy monologuing as he drowns in a water bubble for 3 episodes and the baby arms demon trying to get attention from a dude sharpening a sword for 2 episodes.
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It was a mess, indeed. There's not much material left, I mean we are 2 arcs from the end if I am not mistaken...unless they adapt the novels, they can try to streetch the material a bit to keep it going.
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S1 good, movie meh, Red Light District arc Kino, this arc not interested in watching. Might come back to see how they animated
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@MetaMario IMO, the manga is good. It has it's issues but also has it's qualities.
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@access-timeco I’m not triggered at all, I actually enjoy watching the anime immensely, especially that final fight in the end of the red lights district arc, that was one of the most epic things I’ve ever seen animated in my entire life
And on another note I will now automatically watch anything UFOTABLE does seeing how well they made me like Demon Slayer despite not caring for the manga
I wouldn’t give two shits about a Genshin Impact anime usually but now that I know UFOTABLE is doing it I’m all in
I just think the animation is the major reason it’s so popular, but hats off to UFOTABLE for what they’ve done
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The series did not really overstay it's welcome so i can more easily overlook and forgive it's faults. It was very safe overall so it never had the highs of some series but also never hitting the lows.
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Even with the stellar animation, it still baffles me that this series is as popular as it is. Like, especially how the movie became the highest grossing film of all time in Japan.
There must be something about it that speaks to the Japanese collective unconscious. Or, I dunno, maybe it was a perfect storm of COVID restrictions loosening up around the time it came out.
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@Robby Really? The year the manga wrapped up/finished it was selling like gangbusters.
Yes, because the anime was good. Before the anime hit no one cared about it.
Also
-the pandemic started so people needed something to read
-it was a finished series when the anime started
-not that long so people could buy the whole thing at once.It was a confluence of events but it was almost entirely the anime throwing all the money at it which made it work.
See also Bleach, which probably would have ended within five years if its anime didn't do a such a heavy lifting job elevating it by being no fller super fast paced wth a banging soundtrack.
The series is fine, it's not bad. But its very middle of the road storywise once the initial surprises of "oh my gosh there's blood!" wear off.
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I liked the movie. Dont care for the show much outside of the fight scenes.
