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Wait a second is that teaser mentioned the name of next weeks title.
Because that implies luffy leaves zou and many people here including I thought otherwise
wait,it does?where?
Chapter 820: Dog and Cat have a history
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wait,it does?where?
Eiichiro Oda's One Piece manga will start its "VS. Four Emperors Arc" in this year's 18th issue, which will ship on April 4. The 17th issue teased, "The curtain will open on a new legend, don't miss it!!" The preview image for next week's issue (pictured at right) also teases, "Facing toward Sanji's rescue, Luffy's group is…!!" One Piece did not appear in the 17th issue of the magazine on Monday. The 17th issue also revealed that 18th issue will also feature One Piece on the cover and the new chapter will have an opening color page. Additionally, the combined 21st and 22nd issue of the magazine will include another color opening page.
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But im not sure if thats referencing the next chapter title
If it does though, then it doesnt sound like luffy is going to fight jack
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler
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You could post a smaller picture, though
Sorry, this was the only one I had, and it was really late, so I didn't feel like trying to shrink it. So you get a nice, up-close-and-personal look, lol.
@Periwinkle:Probably posted in the other thread you're talking about but this is from Anime News Network:
Awesome, thank you! Hmm, sounds interesting.
It has been posted and roughly translate in another thread just now as well. It seems that the story will enter the "Versus the Four Emperors Arc" next chapter. Whatever the heck that means. Does it mean that they start facing Jack? Does it mean they will go to Whole Cake like some people want? Oh, and we're getting OP in the Shonen Jump cover and a colour opening page. And another colour opener next week. It seems Oda is out of ideas for cover stories hehe
@Long:
Wait a second is that teaser mentioned the name of next weeks title.
Because that implies luffy leaves zou and many people here including I thought otherwiseI don't think the "vs. the Four Emperors Arc" is literally one arc; I'm guessing it's more like the next phase of the Pirate Alliance saga, when the Straw Hats and allies begin to skirmish with the Emperors more directly. That's why I actually took it as another hint that they (as in, including Luffy) will fight Jack starting this upcoming chapter, since fighting one of Kaido's top men would be like the official start of the war between the Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai Alliance and the Beast Pirates.
It sounds like the timing will also work out perfectly for us to get chapters for the next four weeks: We get chapters in issues 18 (which is this week's release), 19, 20, and double issue 21-22, and then when Oda-sensei takes a break, the break is already built-in anyway by Shonen Jump itself, so then we actually could get a chapter in issue 23.
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@Long:
Eiichiro Oda's One Piece manga will start its "VS. Four Emperors Arc" in this year's 18th issue, which will ship on April 4. The 17th issue teased, "The curtain will open on a new legend, don't miss it!!" The preview image for next week's issue (pictured at right) also teases, "Facing toward Sanji's rescue, Luffy's group is…!!" One Piece did not appear in the 17th issue of the magazine on Monday. The 17th issue also revealed that 18th issue will also feature One Piece on the cover and the new chapter will have an opening color page. Additionally, the combined 21st and 22nd issue of the magazine will include another color opening page.
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But im not sure if thats referencing the next chapter title
If it does though, then it doesnt sound like luffy is going to fight jack
It's just what happened in the last page of the last chapter.
Group forms, then quake.
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why did Kaidou tried to stop Shanks from going to Marineford? He didn't want Ace to be saved because he knew of his blood lineage?
One Piece ,\/,,
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why did Kaidou tried to stop Shanks from going to Marineford? He didn't want Ace to be saved because he knew of his blood lineage?
Kaidou tried to attack Whitebeard, but was intercepted by Shanks.
Kaidou's attempt to do this was probably just another suicide attempt.
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@Buggy:
why did Kaidou tried to stop Shanks from going to Marineford? He didn't want Ace to be saved because he knew of his blood lineage?
Shanks stopped Kaido from attacking Whitebeard as far as I recall. But there was originally a bad translation that said Kaido tried to stop Shanks.
Knowing what we know about Kaido now, maybe it wasn't to attack WB from behind but to take part in the glorious battle and see if he'll survive.
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oh ok, yeah if he wanted to see if he can die..he should've just come to Marineford.
I don't get why he just doesn't do some major shit like attacking Marejois or something if he really wants to die. But then again, he does seem to have goals to gain power and what not so this whole dying thing might be just a good thing.
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oh ok, yeah if he wanted to see if he can die..he should've just come to Marineford.
I don't get why he just doesn't do some major shit like attacking Marejois or something if he really wants to die. But then again, he does seem to have goals to gain power and what not so this whole dying thing might be just a good thing.
He's planning on attacking the WG. Since WB managed to die in the war, Kaido wants to do the same.
I don't see what attacking Mariejoie would do, it's just CDs there. Kaido prolly doesn't care about stuff like removing the WG, his interest in the secrets of the world might be only related to the OP, and if it turns out it has something to do with the national treasure that DD mentioned, then it might be a weapon of some sort.I doubt he's really interested in knowing the Void century because deep down he would be anti WG or something like that.
His hobby is suicide, so his best shot at it atm is to attack the Marine HQ,just like WB did in order to save Ace. -
He probably even attempted to in the past.
He was supposedly captured 18 times, there were 40 execution attempts on him and he sank 9 prison ships. At least one of those captures might have been a result of his attempt to try to stick it to The Man.
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What i don't get is we are entering the 4 emperors arc when its supposed to be sanji year, how will it happens?
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What i don't get is we are entering the 4 emperors arc when its supposed to be sanji year, how will it happens?
There is no way we get the arc short when its an important one, and so Sanji year turns out to be sanji week…I wouldn't give much attention to the "proclamation". It's just saying what we all know is happening anyway. SH are openly going into a confrontation with emperors and it won't stop until they are taken down.
There's plenty of room for Sanji to shine. His history and family won't be swept aside after Oda introducing the plot line.
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What i don't get is we are entering the 4 emperors arc when its supposed to be sanji year, how will it happens?
There is no way we get the arc short when its an important one, and so Sanji year turns out to be sanji week…It seems that either option would technically have the SHs enter in a war with the Yonko. Saving Sanji is bound to get BM's attention in a bad way, and like Franky pointed out the infiltration mission is less likely to work since Luffy isn't going alone, so there are more chances for them to be discovered. And I doubt BM will be pleased if Luffy and co ruin the tea party, by making the groom disappear.
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What i don't get is we are entering the 4 emperors arc when its supposed to be sanji year, how will it happens?
There is no way we get the arc short when its an important one, and so Sanji year turns out to be sanji week…Sanji arc = Big Mom arc. I think that's a given at this point. He's obviously gonna play a big part on it.
That's like saying Water 7/Enies Lobby wasn't Robin-focused calling it the CP9 arc or whatever. The name doesn't matter.
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He's planning on attacking the WG. Since WB managed to die in the war, Kaido wants to do the same.
I don't see what attacking Mariejoie would do, it's just CDs there. Kaido prolly doesn't care about stuff like removing the WG, his interest in the secrets of the world might be only related to the OP, and if it turns out it has something to do with the national treasure that DD mentioned, then it might be a weapon of some sort.I doubt he's really interested in knowing the Void century because deep down he would be anti WG or something like that.
His hobby is suicide, so his best shot at it atm is to attack the Marine HQ,just like WB did in order to save Ace.I mean attacking the CDs is much bigger than just marines only as the WG would have to get involved. So, it would be the marines/CP/Shichi + any other allies they may have.
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It seems that either option would technically have the SHs enter in a war with the Yonko. Saving Sanji is bound to get BM's attention in a bad way, and like Franky pointed out the infiltration mission is less likely to work since Luffy isn't going alone, so there are more chances for them to be discovered. And I doubt BM will be pleased if Luffy and co ruin the tea party, by making the groom disappear.
Beating Jack right now will be an outright declaration of war against Kaido .Luffy is not going to hide in the first place. It's not like he's going to try to sneak in and snatch Sanji, it won't solve Sanji's problems and the reason why he cooperated with Bege in the first place. IIRC he won't take the whole crew so as to not look like he's coming for a fight, but he is going to meet up with BM.
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Luffy is not going to hide in the first place. It's not like he's going to try to sneak in and snatch Sanji, it won't solve Sanji's problems and the reason why he cooperated with Bege in the first place. IIRC he won't take the whole crew so as to not look like he's coming for a fight, but he is going to meet up with BM.
Most likely Nami will be the one doing the sneaking, and will use her thieving skills to do something about the RP.coughImpelDowncough
To say stuff like it's not Luffy's type to sneak in is a fallacy, and he did just that in ID, or have you forgotten?
The sneaking mission is compromised because there's more people involved. If it had been only Luffy he could prolly keep a low profile, but now their chances of getting caught just increased.Luffy's intention originally was to ask Sanji if he's getting married, then we learned that he doesn't have much of a choice, and Luffy needs him back because they're launching an attack on Kaido. So he is definitely needed as the third strongest fighter in the crew. And honestly the stuff with the Vinsmokes is entirely in Sanji's hands. It's not Luffy's business to be telling them what to do with Sanji, Sanji himself needs to settle the score with them.
Then there's BM who for some reason wants this marriage to happen, and if Sanji manages to convince his dad, I doubt she'll be ok with it.
I thought the part about why he decided to cooperate with Bege was already explained. BM would send the heads of the Baratie staff and those of the Kamabakka kingdom if Sanji didn't show up to the tea party.Pekoms explains that
That's most likely what Monster gun Vito whispered to Sanji.BM managed to know about the Baratie and the Kamabakka kingdom.
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@Buggy:
I mean attacking the CDs is much bigger than just marines only as the WG would have to get involved. So, it would be the marines/CP/Shichi + any other allies they may have.
Why would he attack the CDs? They're not strong, they can't fight, how is that going to help him die?
No he needs to attack the Marines who are the armed hand of the WG. The CP are directly under the CDs order, but the bulk of the WG forces imo is comprised of the Marines, and of course the Shichibukai. CP wasn't involved in the summit war, they handle assassination and stuff like that, and they do the CDs biding.
So again the right course would be to attack the Marines, with their admirals and the Shichibukai who work for them. They are the ones on the front line when it comes to fighting pirates, and they are the ones with the very powerful individuals(Admirals and Shichi) who can take on a Yonko and his crew, as seen with WB.The WG won the war and WB died. Some of the Shichibukai like DD were just messing around, they weren't serious. There's no reason to believe the WG can't take on a Yonko, one at a time.If there was more than just one Yonko then it's a different story.
And to be quite frank, I doubt Kaido would die even then, even if you bring the whole of the WG forces, including CP. He's knocking on the wrong door, if he wants to die then he just needs to go see BB. If his immortality is the result of eating a fruit, or of the immortal surgery, then maybe BB's Yami Yami could bypass that.
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To say stuff like it's not Luffy's type to sneak in is a fallacy, and he did just that in ID, or have you forgotten?
The sneaking mission is compromised because there's more people involved. If it had been only Luffy he could prolly keep a low profile, but now their chances of getting caught just increased.Boa snuck him in. Luffy himself admits he wouldn't get that far on his own. Or have you forgotten? :ninja:
I'd say having friends helps him a lot. Especially when those friends are a thief, a guy who can scout with his soul and a guy who has heightened senses.
That's most likely what Monster gun Vito/Whit whispered to Sanji.BM managed to know about the Baratie and the Kamabakka kingdom.
I think it's a little more than that. There would be no need to hold us in suspense with something anyone probably concluded at that point; Big Mom can hurt Sanji's close ones if he refuses.
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Boa snuck him in. Luffy himself admits he wouldn't get that far on his own. Or have you forgotten? :ninja:
I'd say having friends helps him a lot. Especially when those friends are a burglar, a guy who can scout with his soul and a guy who has heightened senses.
I think it's a little more than that. There would be no need to hold us in suspense with something anyone probably concluded at that point; Big Mom can hurt Sanji's close ones if he refuses.
But he didn't go with the intention to fight everyone in ID, he decided to "sneak" in, which is the whole point. Maybe Pekoms could have him disguise himself, and with Kin around it's not hard for him to make a disguise.
The situation is pretty similar, Pekoms could sneak him in, just like Hancock did in ID, it's just the method that is going to be different. A disguise would come in handy in this case.
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Like what? Pudding is a hottie?
BM threatening the lives of his friends is a very good reason. And it's not like Sanji to have others suffer or die because of him. -
But he didn't go with the intention to fight everyone in ID, he decided to "sneak" in, which is the whole point. Maybe Pekoms could have him disguise himself, and with Kin around it's not hard for him to make a disguise.
Still not sure how Pekoms is going to be handled. I mean, openly helping them disguise themselves to the detriment of his captain makes him a traitor. Then again, leading them towards her and not saying anything makes him a traitor too. Having him spill the beans should end the rescue mission fast.
And yeah, since it's going to be a party, this will probably be more about hiding in plain sight than sneaking through empty corridors, avoiding guards. Kinemon would help with disguises a lot, but even if he doesn't go, there are other ways of blending in.
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Like what? Pudding is a hottie?
BM threatening the lives of his friends is a very good reason. And it's not like Sanji to have others suffer or die because of him.I just think it's a bigger secret than that. No use in hiding the line: "BM knows about chefs and okama".
Brook asks Sanji what was whispered to him and there's no reaction I'd think saying they know about his friends wouldn't be too hard to share.
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Still not sure how Pekoms is going to be handled. I mean, openly helping them disguise themselves to the detriment of his captain makes him a traitor. Then again, leading them towards her and not saying anything makes him a traitor too. Having him spill the beans should end the rescue mission fast.
And yeah, since it's going to be a party, this will probably be more about hiding in plain sight than sneaking through empty corridors, avoiding guards. Kinemon would help with disguises a lot, but even if he doesn't go, there are other ways of blending in.
Maybe he'll be forced to help because Luffy is going to beat Jack's ass for him, and the minks who suffered at the hands of the Beast pirates .Pekoms comes off as a nice guy, he already expressed his gratitude towards the Swirly hats for saving the minks from the gas. He's likely to do the same again when Luffy and the SHs in general get rid of Jack and save Zou again.
That should convince him to help Luffy, again if the latter only intends to sneak in and not fight BM. How do you think Pekoms would feel if Luffy decided that instead he wants to beat BM's ass? He would outright refuse. That is why it is essential to go with the intention to sneak in, whether they can achieve that or not is up to debate.
Yes Kinemon can make disguises, Brook can even use his soul form to spy on corridors to see if they're clear. Nami can steal some treasure while she's there, and Chopper…well he's Chopper, if someone is injured or Pekoms isn't entirely healed, which is very likely, he'll be there to help.
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I just think it's a bigger secret than that. No use in hiding the line: "BM knows about chefs and okama".
Brook asks Sanji what was whispered to him and there's no reaction I'd think saying they know about his friends wouldn't be too hard to share.
It's not just that she knows, but she would send their heads if he refuses. I don't see how he can say no to that.
But yeah sure, he has some other more important reason. Also the reason Vito decided to whisper it is because he wouldn't want Nami and co to hear it, because they'll likely object and make things harder for them to get Sanji to cooperate.
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CoO is the ability to sense the will of other people. Since all people have haki to some degree, it allows you to sense pretty much anyone, including objects. The more "will", or "intent", someone or something has, the easier it is to sense them. It could be someone extremely happy, or an arrow sent with the intent to kill. I think that when Fujitora was listening to the citizens of Dressrosa, he wasn't hearing them verbally, but rather their joy and determination to get in his way, along with Fuji's expertise in Kenbunshoku, were strong enough for him to accurately discern what they were talking about.
During the adventures of the strawhats, we've seen them learning to dodge and parry better and better, to the point where Zoro could dodge a bullet from almost point blank range in Shabondy.
This is where the VoAT comes in. The more a subject is detached from what a person can physically understand, the harder it is to understand its will, but if your CoO is powerful and unique enough, you can understand the will (or voice) of anything. That's why Roger could understand the poneglyphs- they were carrying the will of those who wrote them, and Roger was listening to it. That's why Luffy and Roger could hear the Sea Kings while others couldn't- it's just too difficult to physically communicate with them (even fishmen can't), so you'd need an incredible haki to hear them. When you're very close to something it will be easier for you to hear its voice, like with Merry. That's what makes it so interesting to me, because there's no character in the entire series who's more sensitive to other people's wills than Luffy. The latest example would be just last chapter where Luffy made Momo express his will to defeat Kaido, which leads us to the next part.Interesting idea! But please remember, I'm suggesting that Momonosuke and his family are somewhat unique. As I described him on the podcast, he's basically the 'Neo' of CoO. Whether he can only sense will or in fact open a gateway to images and communication, well, in time I'm sure we will see the answer for ourselves.
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I just think it's a bigger secret than that. No use in hiding the line: "BM knows about chefs and okama".
Brook asks Sanji what was whispered to him and there's no reaction I'd think saying they know about his friends wouldn't be too hard to share.
Why would he reveal that, again? Sanji clearly didn't want to worry them and was acting like everything was ok. Like he was going because he wanted to, and could come back just as easily. That's what he wanted them to believe, and sharing the threat would work against it.
Not to mention they would feel guilty, since the Strawhats were included, too.
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Brook asks Sanji what was whispered to him and there's no reaction I'd think saying they know about his friends wouldn't be too hard to share.
From the way Luffy react (how did you learn that) which was close to Sanji's own question(how did you know), I think it was clearly what he used. Capone even went on about Big mom power which is the same speech given by Pekoms to explain how they know about them. It's quite an easy threat to make Sanji understand he has no choice and with the picture of Sanji openning the box as example, I believe Oda was pretty straight-forward.
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It's just what happened in the last page of the last chapter.
Group forms, then quake.
Oh yeah having read that differently I Imagined them saying luffy will go which struck me as odd
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So next chapter that we will get likely during next 2 or 3 days we will very likely see who will be up and against Jack.
After him getting away from fight with Fujitora and Sengoku(not to mention Vice Admirals) I do not believe that Luffy will take down Jack himself as for example King C wrote many times.
Jack in my opinion should be a silver medalist, meaning somebody like Marco or like Doflamingo - clearly step below Yonko but at same time somebody perfectly capable of going into tango with Admirals(even if loosing more than winning after LONG fight). This kind of enemy could be beaten by Luffy only with Gear Fourth I think and we do not have this kind of build up for Jack as an enemy for Luffy to use Gear 4th again.What will happen in my opinion is that Law will teleport himself along with Luffy and Zoro and they all will do a short work out of Jack. He will put up a fight of course and show how extremely formidable he is but we will see Gear 3rd getting used, maybe glimpse of Ashura and usual Laws "magic". If we get 3 Supernovas dealing with Jack in matter of like 3-4chapters max it would build up Alliances as an actual threat to even biggest pirates. Also if those 3 will manage to beat Jack and then we will get to see Kidds alliance status it could also hype Kaido as somebody nearly indestructible after he didnt lost his life in a fight against 4 Supernovas..
Also just a short comment on "vs Emperors" arc - I hope it will be as good as Zou and as long as Dressrosa and Punk Hazard put together. I cannot wait for things to speed up even more and I also hope that vs Emperors means also Kidd alliance vs Shanks happening one way or the other.
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if luffy has to defeat yonkous and admirals sooner than later, he somehow has to start showing he's at the same level, or we have to wait at least another 18 years to reach raftel. but i still don't know who's gonna fight jack tho
"I'm simply an accident. Why take it all so seriously?"
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if luffy has to defeat yonkous and admirals sooner than later, he somehow has to start showing he's at the same level, or we have to wait at least another 18 years to reach raftel. but i still don't know who's gonna fight jack tho
In my opinion Luffy is roughly around as strong as Ace was when he fought Blackbeard. Thats why Oda came up with Alliances, so people who are on Yonko strongest members level can try and take on Yonko together. Oda could have made timeskip last one year longer and we could have ended up with Luffy being even stronger than he is now but it would make One Piece less exciting.
Sure Luffy will step up a bit(I think that fight with Doflamingo was his first step to get even stronger than he was and he is not same as he was before fighting with Doffy as beside his strength most likely going a bit up after Dressrosa he also gotten experience of fighting new extremely dangerous DF user). He will be almost as strong as an admiral at time of facing Kaido. I am almost sure we will get another short timeskip after Kaido gets beaten and Luffy at that time will be capable of going head to head in a fight with Admiral. I wanna see Luffy getting older and his body to get more sturdy looking, like Aces body looked for example.
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if luffy has to defeat yonkous and admirals sooner than later, he somehow has to start showing he's at the same level, or we have to wait at least another 18 years to reach raftel. but i still don't know who's gonna fight jack tho
I think it'll be similar to envies lobby. Back at water 7 there was no way, I thought, that Luffy would be able to beat lucci. The power level difference was just to great between the cp9 and the strawhats and is similar now to that of them and the yonkou (although not entirely). Yet in the space of one arc luffy managed to reach lucci level and defeat him. I believe the same will happen with kaidou/big mom. I also believe it has to be 1v1.
As for Jack I'd predict either zoro,law or inu.Time will remember us.
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I think it'll be similar to envies lobby. Back at water 7 there was no way, I thought, that Luffy would be able to beat lucci. The power level difference was just to great between the cp9 and the strawhats and is similar now to that of them and the yonkou (although not entirely). Yet in the space of one arc luffy managed to reach lucci level and defeat him. I believe the same will happen with kaidou/big mom. I also believe it has to be 1v1.
As for Jack I'd predict either zoro,law or inu.Fight with Kaido might end with Luffy fighting weakened/heavily worn out Emperor but no way for classic one on one for Luffy this time. Also he is not catching up to Yonko anytime soon. I would love if he will get to awaken his Devil Fruit before fight with Kaido. Making walls/ floors as elastic and bouncy as rubber would be incredible boost for brawler fighter like Luffy. For example smashing somebody with Leo Bazooka into rubber floor and then after that somebody bounces back to Luffy for another punch then to hit normal ground/rock this time even as description only it sounds great for me.
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To say stuff like it's not Luffy's type to sneak in is a fallacy
Never said that.
The sneaking mission is compromised because there's more people involved. If it had been only Luffy he could prolly keep a low profile, but now their chances of getting caught just increased.
The sneaking mission is compromised because:
1. It's led by Luffy. What he did in ID is not how sneaking is supposed to look like lol. He got in with the help of Hancock and then got discovered on the second floor (IIRC), got caught in the 4th, and eventually led a mass breakout. Luffy will just do whatever he wants. If he won't get discovered, that's fine, but he probably would get discovered even if he went alone.
2. Luffy literally said he was going to ruin the ceremony. He would get discovered even if he went alone.
3. Pekoms doesn't even want to help Luffy get to BM. Even when he does, he won't let Luffy stay hidden from his mama, he's still a BM pirate.
Luffy really doesn't need any more reasons.Luffy's intention originally was to ask Sanji if he's getting married, then we learned that he doesn't have much of a choice, and Luffy needs him back because they're launching an attack on Kaido. So he is definitely needed as the third strongest fighter in the crew. And honestly the stuff with the Vinsmokes is entirely in Sanji's hands. It's not Luffy's business to be telling them what to do with Sanji, Sanji himself needs to settle the score with them.
I'm not sure how it relates to my post.
Then there's BM who for some reason wants this marriage to happen, and if Sanji manages to convince his dad, I doubt she'll be ok with it.
I thought the part about why he decided to cooperate with Bege was already explained. BM would send the heads of the Baratie staff and those of the Kamabakka kingdom if Sanji didn't show up to the tea party.Pekoms explains that
http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/51/3209/041.pngThat's most likely what Monster gun Vito whispered to Sanji.BM managed to know about the Baratie and the Kamabakka kingdom.
Again, I don't see how it relates to my post.
I'll repeat myself. In the off chance Luffy does do everything sneakily and reaches Sanji, he can't just take him away, because Sanji is still stuck there for the same reasons he cooperated with Bege. His problems wouldn't be solved just because Luffy arrived. There needs to be a confrontation (not necessarily physical) between Luffy and BM and the Vinsmokes. Again, Luffy will be discovered regardless of how many people he takes.
And again, Luffy wanted to go alone because he doesn't want to fight BM, just to talk. He can't talk with her while sneaking, right? -
The sneaking mission is compromised because:
1. It's led by Luffy. What he did in ID is not how sneaking is supposed to look like lol. He got in with the help of Hancock and then got discovered on the second floor (IIRC), got caught in the 4th, and eventually led a mass breakout. Luffy will just do whatever he wants. If he won't get discovered, that's fine, but he probably would get discovered even if he went alone.
2. Luffy literally said he was going to ruin the ceremony. He would get discovered even if he went alone.
3. Pekoms doesn't even want to help Luffy get to BM. Even when he does, he won't let Luffy stay hidden from his mama, he's still a BM pirate.
Luffy really doesn't need any more reasons.
I'm not sure how it relates to my post.1)to be correct,luffy was discovered because of bagy..he was doing a fine job otherwise..even though he was really just at the beginning and i don't think he had any way to reach level 2 without bagy
2)luffy said he is going there to talk to sanji,because ,in his mind,as long as e doesn't know what sanji wants,he can't make plans regarding him..it's basically the same thing that happened with robin,he still wanted to talk to her before deciding if she was or not out of the crew,even though she clearly said that to sanji and chopper.
3)at this point pekoms is the wild card..he still thinks of himself as a big mom pirate and wants to get revenge on bege,but at the same time he did kinda betrayed mama already by being willing to let sanji escape because of personal reasons…it mainly depends on what mama thinks about the whole think..would she be all business like bege (and from what we know about her,that's probable) and discard pekoms,or will she be willing to forgive one of her high ranking officers for a little insubordination?
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So next chapter that we will get likely during next 2 or 3 days we will very likely see who will be up and against Jack.
After him getting away from fight with Fujitora and Sengoku(not to mention Vice Admirals) I do not believe that Luffy will take down Jack himself as for example King C wrote many times.
Jack in my opinion should be a silver medalist, meaning somebody like Marco or like Doflamingo - clearly step below Yonko but at same time somebody perfectly capable of going into tango with Admirals(even if loosing more than winning after LONG fight). This kind of enemy could be beaten by Luffy only with Gear Fourth I think and we do not have this kind of build up for Jack as an enemy for Luffy to use Gear 4th again.What will happen in my opinion is that Law will teleport himself along with Luffy and Zoro and they all will do a short work out of Jack. He will put up a fight of course and show how extremely formidable he is but we will see Gear 3rd getting used, maybe glimpse of Ashura and usual Laws "magic". If we get 3 Supernovas dealing with Jack in matter of like 3-4chapters max it would build up Alliances as an actual threat to even biggest pirates. Also if those 3 will manage to beat Jack and then we will get to see Kidds alliance status it could also hype Kaido as somebody nearly indestructible after he didnt lost his life in a fight against 4 Supernovas..
Also just a short comment on "vs Emperors" arc - I hope it will be as good as Zou and as long as Dressrosa and Punk Hazard put together. I cannot wait for things to speed up even more and I also hope that vs Emperors means also Kidd alliance vs Shanks happening one way or the other.
A beast-like opponent such as Jack is the perfect target for G4. It was made especially to beat beasts like Jack's mammoth form. G4 isn't something to be kept as a special weapon anymore. He didn't use it until DD because there was no need, he was fighting opponents below his level. From DD and on, he'll have to fight with full force, meaning with G4. Since he created G2 and G3, he used them in virtually every fight, because they were created so he could handle tougher opponents, just like G4.
The reason for the alliances is because the top pirates in the NW have entire fleets backing them. If he were to challenge them with a small crew, he would never get to the big boss- this was literally said in the beginning of the NW. He needs the allies to clear the way for a captain vs captain fight. Allies like Law are theoretically on the same standing as Luffy in the alliance, but we all know who ended up doing the beating in Dressrosa.
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1)to be correct,luffy was discovered because of bagy..he was doing a fine job otherwise..even though he was really just at the beginning and i don't think he had any way to reach level 2 without bagy
2)luffy said he is going there to talk to sanji,because ,in his mind,as long as e doesn't know what sanji wants,he can't make plans regarding him..it's basically the same thing that happened with robin,he still wanted to talk to her before deciding if she was or not out of the crew,even though she clearly said that to sanji and chopper.
3)at this point pekoms is the wild card..he still thinks of himself as a big mom pirate and wants to get revenge on bege,but at the same time he did kinda betrayed mama already by being willing to let sanji escape because of personal reasons…it mainly depends on what mama thinks about the whole think..would she be all business like bege (and from what we know about her,that's probable) and discard pekoms,or will she be willing to forgive one of her high ranking officers for a little insubordination?
from there we can start thinking about what pekoms wants,but for all we know,he might need to sneak on the party just like luffy if he is already considered a traitor1. He punched Buggy right into the surveillance room, he wouldn't get too far regardless.
2. Yes and he did so by charging right into EL. This time he's not coming for a fight, but I still don't see why what you said means he'll do it sneakily. If Sanji says he doesn't want to get married, Luffy won't be able to just take him away without confronting BM and the Vinsmokes. -
A beast-like opponent such as Jack is the perfect target for G4. It was made especially to beat beasts like Jack's mammoth form. G4 isn't something to be kept as a special weapon anymore. He didn't use it until DD because there was no need, he was fighting opponents below his level. From DD and on, he'll have to fight with full force, meaning with G4. Since he created G2 and G3, he used them in virtually every fight, because they were created so he could handle tougher opponents, just like G4.
I would prefer Elephant Gattling(Gear 3rd attack that was used to wreck Noah) would finish Jack off. Gear 4th being kept as weapon against most dangerous enemies and not being "spammed" in every bigger fight that we get after Doflamingo. Especially as Luffy wont be alone against Jack in next chapters and even Gear3rd size to me is perfect to fight Jack. Luffy had to go for Gear 4th because as he had power he was too slow to land attack on Doflamingo with Gear 3rd. Jack most likely is a tank even above Doflamingo but he is not as fast as Doffy, most likely he is vastly slower when it comes to movement, dodging than Doffy who was shown to avoid all direct attacks before Gear 4th came into play.
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I would prefer Elephant Gattling(Gear 3rd attack that was used to wreck Noah) would finish Jack off. Gear 4th being kept as weapon against most dangerous enemies and not being "spammed" in every bigger fight that we get after Doflamingo. Especially as Luffy wont be alone against Jack in next chapters and even Gear3rd size to me is perfect to fight Jack. Luffy had to go for Gear 4th because as he had power he was too slow to land attack on Doflamingo with Gear 3rd. Jack most likely is a tank even above Doflamingo but he is not as fast as Doffy, most likely he is vastly slower when it comes to movement, dodging than Doffy who was shown to avoid all direct attacks before Gear 4th came into play.
I agree with the general sentiment and I hope Jack loses to a combo attack given all the firepower on Zou. Gear Fourth's extreme wear on Luffy's body already keeps it as something of a last resort. However, I'm compelled to point out that Doffy was hit by several Gear Second attacks and was frequently knocked back by them. Only Red Hawk did any significant damage to him though.
Side note, I'm curious as to how Luffy will adapt some of his other attacks to Gear Fourth. In particular, some form of Gatling (Polar? Tiger? …Buffalo?) would be interesting to see and likely incredibly devastating if he can keep the enemy from getting blasted out of range.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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I would prefer Elephant Gattling(Gear 3rd attack that was used to wreck Noah) would finish Jack off. Gear 4th being kept as weapon against most dangerous enemies and not being "spammed" in every bigger fight that we get after Doflamingo. Especially as Luffy wont be alone against Jack in next chapters and even Gear3rd size to me is perfect to fight Jack. Luffy had to go for Gear 4th because as he had power he was too slow to land attack on Doflamingo with Gear 3rd. Jack most likely is a tank even above Doflamingo but he is not as fast as Doffy, most likely he is vastly slower when it comes to movement, dodging than Doffy who was shown to avoid all direct attacks before Gear 4th came into play.
It's not like he's going to use it against fodder. Including Jack we have like 4 bosses left until the end of the series. It's hardly 'spamming'.
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It's not like he's going to use it against fodder. Including Jack we have like 4 bosses left until the end of the series. It's hardly 'spamming'.
Funny that you write it like you know.
Beside that using G4 against enemy slower than Doflamingo does not make much more sense. Luffy went against Fujitora with Gear 3rd attack and then he continued to fight and shield himself with CoA hardened G3 arm. With Zoro, Law and possibly some other fighters around if they make team effort to take out Jack there should be absolutely no need for pulling out G4. Especially as Luffy is pretty much fresh and Jack is in bandages.
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Never said that.
The sneaking mission is compromised because:
1. It's led by Luffy. What he did in ID is not how sneaking is supposed to look like lol. He got in with the help of Hancock and then got discovered on the second floor (IIRC), got caught in the 4th, and eventually led a mass breakout. Luffy will just do whatever he wants. If he won't get discovered, that's fine, but he probably would get discovered even if he went alone.Yes it was because of Buggy iirc, so without that he prolly wouldn't have been caught so early. Also it was a prison, with cameras everywhere, so it was made even harder because of that.
2. Luffy literally said he was going to ruin the ceremony. He would get discovered even if he went alone.
The point is not to get discovered too soon, that would make it impossible for him to get to Sanji and ruin the ceremony, hence the sneaking bit.
3. Pekoms doesn't even want to help Luffy get to BM. Even when he does, he won't let Luffy stay hidden from his mama, he's still a BM pirate.
He will once Luffy saves Zou and the minks AGAIN.
I'm not sure how it relates to my post.
Again, I don't see how it relates to my post.
That was me explaining the whole situation, and my train of thought. I'm sorry are you a mod on this site? If I'm being offtopic there then surely the mods will be free to edit it, but seeing the amount of offtopic posts here and there I doubt they'll be worried about me explaining the whole situation.
I'll repeat myself. In the off chance Luffy does do everything sneakily and reaches Sanji, he can't just take him away, because Sanji is still stuck there for the same reasons he cooperated with Bege. His problems wouldn't be solved just because Luffy arrived. There needs to be a confrontation (not necessarily physical) between Luffy and BM and the Vinsmokes. Again, Luffy will be discovered regardless of how many people he takes.
And again, Luffy wanted to go alone because he doesn't want to fight BM, just to talk. He can't talk with her while sneaking, right?Did I ever say he won't get caught? No, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to sneak in and not get too much attention on themselves at first.So what you want them to just waltz in and get the attention of BM and her men before they can even get a glimpse of Sanji? It makes no sense. Just because they'll get eventually caught doesn't mean they can't try to sneak in at first, that's all.
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Did I ever say he won't get caught? No, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to sneak in and not get too much attention on themselves at first.So what you want them to just waltz in and get the attention of BM and her men before they can even get to glimpse Sanji? It makes no sense. Just because they'll get eventually caught doesn't mean they can't try to sneak in at first, that's all.
What I'm saying is that there's no point, because even if Sanji will want to leave, he won't be able to do it on his own accord. He'll have to settle things with BM and his family.
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What I'm saying is that there's no point, because even if Sanji will want to leave, he won't be able to do it on his own accord. He'll have to settle things with BM and his family.
Lol do you realize what you're saying? Luffy doesn't want to start a war, that is why it's important not to attract too much attention at first, or else he won't even be able to talk to Sanji, let alone get him to leave, and mess with BM and the Vinsmokes.
I have no doubt there will be a confrontation, but Luffy won't be able to get in Wholecake island if he doesn't do some sneaking at first.
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Funny that you write it like you know.
Beside that using G4 against enemy slower than Doflamingo does not make much more sense. Luffy went against Fujitora with Gear 3rd attack and then he continued to fight and shield himself with CoA hardened G3 arm. With Zoro, Law and possibly some other fighters around if they make team effort to take out Jack there should be absolutely no need for pulling out G4. Especially as Luffy is pretty much fresh and Jack is in bandages.
I'm not saying it like I know, I'm theorizing. If they'll fight him together, Luffy might not need G4, but there's no reason for him to not use it if it ends with a 1v1. If Jack uses the poison gas he'll be the only one who'll be able to fight because of his immunity to poison.
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I agree with the general sentiment and I hope Jack loses to a combo attack given all the firepower on Zou. Gear Fourth's extreme wear on Luffy's body already keeps it as something of a last resort. However, I'm compelled to point out that Doffy was hit by several Gear Second attacks and was frequently knocked back by them. Only Red Hawk did any significant damage to him though.
Side note, I'm curious as to how Luffy will adapt some of his other attacks to Gear Fourth. In particular, some form of Gatling (Polar? Tiger? …Buffalo?) would be interesting to see and likely incredibly devastating if he can keep the enemy from getting blasted out of range.
Gear 4th Gattling barrage of punches sounds like a danger even to likes of admirals. But at same time I wonder if more attacks and getting more tired shortens duration of Gear 4th.. By all means Gear 4th should be last resort thing as you wrote.. I hope it wont be overused as Gear 2nd was later on during first half of story.
Gear 3rd Grizzly Magnum packs enough punch for Cesar to fly at high speed through like half of island.. And even Pica avoided it in his gigant form.
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Its size is also perfect for Jack. Him getting smashed around by Law, Zoro and Luffy would be very satysfying to see after what he did to Minks.
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Lol do you realize what you're saying? Luffy doesn't want to start a war, that is why it's important not to attract too much attention at first, or else he won't even be able to talk to Sanji, let alone get him to leave, and mess with BM and the Vinsmokes.
I have no doubt there will be a confrontation, but Luffy won't be able to get in Wholecake island if he doesn't do some sneaking at first.
Honestly it's like talking to a wall.Better than talking with someone who misinterprets every single thing you say.
I never said that he won't need to sneak to the island. I said that there's no reason for any sneaking once he gets to the island. -
Better than talking with someone who misinterprets every single thing you say.
I never said that he won't need to sneak to the island. I said that there's no reason for any sneaking once he gets to the island.Maybe you should try to be more thourought in your analysis, instead of constantly going back to clear stuff up. And the same applies to you I fear, as in misinterpreting other people's posts.
And lol yeah he doesn't need to sneak on the island, it's not like there's the whole of BM's crew, the Vinsmokes who could recognize him and fight him right there, when he's going with 2 of the weak trio and Brook.
Sure he doesn't need any sneaking, no as a matter of fact it would be better if he punched BM in the face right off the bat.Great analysis. -
I'm not saying it like I know, I'm theorizing. If they'll fight him together, Luffy might not need G4, but there's no reason for him to not use it if it ends with a 1v1. If Jack uses the poison gas he'll be the only one who'll be able to fight because of his immunity to poison.
Fair point with poison immunity. Though we also have Nami there and she can bust a move to get rid of posion gas in some areas.
I would expect 3-4-5 chapters max when it comes to Jacks beatdown. Then we can move to Sanji arc(too much hype to handle for me..).
As for G4 candidates we have Jack, Big Mom, Kaido, Weeble, possibly some other calamity on Zou, Kidd, Blackbeard, Shanks.. You know, lots of candidates.
And I really want to see Kidd and Luffy being real rivals. Law is almost nakama by this point, only hope for good and young Supernova rival is Kidd and I keep my fingers crossed for him getting awesome screentime more than for any other Supernova. I hope he joins Sanjis wedding and what we will get to see will be fall of Big Mom by hands of Kidd alliance or at least a start of a war between Big Mom and KA.Oh and Sanjis father might be G4 candidate, depending on how strong he will shown to be and how strong will Sanjis brothers end up it will show what we can expect from Sanji(when it comes to fighting) closer to end of One Piece. Oh my.. Its so hard to wait for Sanji background arc..
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Maybe you should try to be more thourought in your analysis, instead of constantly going back to clear stuff up.
I wrote why any potential sneaking failing is not because he's taking additional people, and then you replied with something completely off topic. I really don't see how I could be more clear in my post.
And the same applies to you I fear, as in misinterpreting other people's posts.
Such as?
And lol yeah he doesn't need to sneak on the island, it's not like there's the whole of BM's crew, the Vinsmokes who could recognize him and fight him right there, when he's going with 2 of the weak trio and Brook.
Again: even if Sanji says he doesn't want to get married, he can't take Sanji and leave. Sneaking will only get him so far. He'll need audience with BM and Pekoms can provide him with that.
Sure he doesn't need any sneaking, no as a matter of fact it would be better if he punched BM in the face right off the bat.Great analysis.
That's not even worth addressing. I'm done with this discussion.
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I wrote why any potential sneaking failing is not because he's taking additional people, and then you replied with something completely off topic. I really don't see how I could be more clear in my post.
Offtopic? So explaining the situation is offtopic. Wow. Again that's not up to you to decide anyway.
I never said he would be able to get Sanji and leave without as much as getting caught by BM. But getting caught either way doesn't mean he can't try to sneak in at first, when we know for a fact that BM and the Vinsmokes and their men are going to be in the party. Luffy can't enter BM's hideout as he is, or he won't even be able to get close to Sanji and BM. It would be ID all over again, there's bound to be guards and stuff like that. It's a tea party, and all those big shots are bound to be there.It's too reckless, and it will put the lives of the weaker SHs in danger since they're going with him.
And more importantly I don't see how Pekoms will help him get an audience with BM. We don't even know how she'll react to him when she sees him. Since he was willing to let Sanji go, you can bet she won't be too pleased. You can bet Bege would have told her that. He might not know that, but it would be too dangerous to just try to talk to her, when they don't even know how she'll react. She might try to kill them both, Pekoms for failing his mission and willing to lie to BM, and Luffy because he plans on ruining her plan of getting an alliance with the Vinsmokes through the marriage. Also that wouldn't be ruining the wedding if he just walks to her and convinces her to stop the marriage. That would be too easy, that would also exclude a "confrontation" between them, and that would be assuming a lot about BM's character. That would mean she's more reasonable, when if anything we saw her getting frustrated for not getting things her way (the sweets).
And I originally said that the sneaking mission is more compromised, since it's not easy to sneak in with so many people.Such as?
See above.
Again: even if Sanji says he doesn't want to get married, he can't take Sanji and leave. Sneaking will only get him so far. He'll need audience with BM and Pekoms can provide him with that.
That's not even worth addressing. I'm done with this discussion.Well it will get him close enough to Sanji so they can clear this situation. Do you honestly think that Sanji will just agree to stop this marriage? He doesn't have much of a choice, he is forced into it. Whatever Vito told him, whether that BM would kill the guys at the Baratie and Kamabakka kingdom or something else is strong enough for him to decide to cooperate and go ahead with the marriage. And again that is something Sanji himself needs to do, he needs to settle the score with his family, Luffy has no business in it in theory.Already adressed the issue about Pekoms getting an audience.
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Has anyone pointed out that leaving chopper aside both Brook and Nami are probably two of the best choices for infiltrations among the crew? (Besides Robin). Nami's mirage ability and brook's soul scouting can be put into an amazing good use if well played.Somehow I wish chopper could turn into a human teen completely. If he could keep this a secret he would be the perfect infiltration spy…
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Has anyone pointed out that leaving chopper aside both Brook and Nami are probably two of the best choices for infiltrations among the crew? (Besides Robin). Nami's mirage ability and brook's soul scouting can be put into an amazing good use if well played.Somehow I wish chopper could turn into a human teen completely. If he could keep this a secret he would be the perfect infiltration spy…
His superior senses are nothing to frown at. If his scent doesn't get overloaded with the scent of various sweets.
It's a lttle unfair Chopper can never go full human, even though other zoans transform full animal just fine.
