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Robby

3. Rearrange stat totals, or add some like X and Y did to some mons.

Yeah, its nice that some mons got an increase of like 10 in some stat or another last time, but the power creep has been so much bigger than that (especially in terms of move sets) it's really not enough, especially on the gen 1 monsters. I think there's only like 13 gen 6 mons in the bottom 200, almost entirely first forms, but nearly 30 of them in the top 200… (And the top 100 are almost all final form starts, legends or dragons).

Especially when stats were distributed weird in the first two gens, before the special/physical split and when speed affected criticals.

Megas have alleviated that some, but in the opposite direction, sending everything into broken ability legendary stats categories.

Green_vs_Red

Couple of things like bringing back the Battle Frontier and somehow making the game less grindy.

Satsuki

@Robby:

The thing they CAN do to fix those types is to just give them good abilities. Like electric is immune to paralyze and grass to spore moves and poison can't be poisoned. Or the effect weather has on a whole bunch of types. (Rain boosts water and electric for instance… and sandstorm hurt all but three types) Or, just give them some really good moves that have no real counterpoints.

That's a very good idea. Ice might be stronger if there was a higher chance of freezing an enemy. There's always a good chance of being paralyzed by an electric type, why not a bigger chance to be frozen?

@.access:

What I want to see in this game? Two save states.

Honestly, more than anything in a pokémon game, more than a single save state is what I want. Just so I can keep my first playthrough but still being able to play the game again (unlike X, that I could never play for a second time because I don't want to erase my original game).

That's why I said this yesterday:
_"_What is really the difference between reading "we found out Nintendo registered Pokémon Sun and Moon" on the 25th and reading "Nintendo revealed on the direct they are releasing Pokémon Sun and Moon" on the 26th? It can't even be called a spoiler, it's more like reading the manga chapter on thursday instead of monday when it is oficially released."
Because I knew the direct would be exactly the same as the leak: a shot of the logos while a voice announces those games would be released later in 2016. And that would be all. The only difference is one gave the information in text while the other in audio.

THAT would be extremely nice. I would love to play Pokemon X/Y again, but I don't want to erase all my achievements and pokemon trades.

Wagomu

I want the flying mechanic in OR/AS to be expanded to the entirety of Fly. Maybe expand the air map somewhat, make some more encounters, use clouds and air currents to close off places you can't access yet. Add that onto pokemon you can ride on land and let any unridable pokemon follow you pikachu in pokemon yellow style and give all pokemon ridable or not distinct features (amphibious movement, faster/slower with higher/lower encounter rates, increased shiny rates, increased exp or EVs, temporary stat boosts etc…) and that's my dream.

Noqanky

Was waiting to get home to write my wanted stuff, but everyone's gotten to those, namely:

New type duos we haven't seen (I mainly want to see Fire/Grass, it's overdue at this point)
Customizable trainers, again, with a bit more diversity in options.
Two save states, that way I can replay the story in different ways without needing to get a second copy of the game.
Ice getting better. Avalugg was an interest step forward in how much of a physical wall it was, but the type could use more speedy ice types like Weavile. Too many of them are on the special/defense/hp side of things which doesn't help for shit given how it's weak to really common types and most of the times you almost have to assume you'll go second.
Everything Wagomu said. Screw HMs, just allow people to teach "skills" or sumshit to certain pokemon, allowing you to ride them/fly on them/crush rocks while riding them/using them as shield from environmental obstacles/carry an electric pokemon to light the way, but most importantly don't force people to waste a move slot on these things.

Robby

@Wagomu:

I want the flying mechanic in OR/AS to be expanded to the entirety of Fly. Maybe expand the air map somewhat, make some more encounters, use clouds and air currents to close off places you can't access yet. Add that onto pokemon you can ride on land and let any unridable pokemon follow you pikachu in pokemon yellow style and give all pokemon ridable or not distinct features (amphibious movement, faster/slower with higher/lower encounter rates, increased shiny rates, increased exp or EVs, temporary stat boosts etc…) and that's my dream.

Monster Rancher Evo managed it.

Sure they had waaay less monsters, but they still let you ride your wolf or dragon around a fully 3d map if it was big enough to carry you. And that was 10 years ago!

Of course, otherwise the entirety of monster rancher has basically been crammed into the Amie, but it is what it is.

Wagomu

Well, the complexity of the pokemon world and amount of monsters in on a whole other level.

Not that I don't think it's possible (it definitely is), I just don't think the comparison is quite apt.

Robby

Yeah, but they're 3D models now. If they're big enough, slap a rider on the back. Keep it to the four legged things and the big giant things, and its fine without (theoretically) too much work to implement. Now, doign cycles for both walking and running with said things, is another matter, but it'd be a lot cooler than roller skates or bikes. Monster Rancher didn't let you ride everything, just the things that made sense. Hell, even Pokemon itself implemented it last game with the goats and the ryhorn, just in very small very limited areas.

When any other open world RPG can implement mounts (horses at the very least) for most terrains, it should be doable. Even if they can't spend the resources to give that many things walk cycles, then at least a Rent-a-Rapidash.

Ditto for flying.

But considering they're still fine with Surf being super generic, and haven't had tag alongs since HGSS, probably not going to happen.

Being able to ride more than one monster in one tiny area would be nice.

Though considering this is the first time they've done a game announcement and its come off rather than "we've been working on this for the last 4 years", and instead "as "Yeah, we started this last week when we realized the anniversary was coming up" well… I have no idea what to expect this time.

Conekiller

@Robby:

Tough considering this is the first time they've done a game announcement and its come off rather than "we've been working on this for the last 4 years", and instead "as "Yeah, we started this last week when we realized the anniversary was coming up" well… I have no idea what to expect this time.

yeah I definitely got a "we're doing this cuz we HAVE to" vibe from the presentation. Also, the presenter really made me miss Iwata even more. Guy had no stage presence at all. Gimme Miyamoto, Reggie, or even the skinny white dude (Brian?).

However, the Montage was much cooler than the Superbowl ad.

I'm still a bit miffed there's no Pokemon GO news.

KaizokuJinbei

@Conekiller:

yeah I definitely got a "we're doing this cuz we HAVE to" vibe from the presentation. Also, the presenter really made me miss Iwata even more. Guy had no stage presence at all. Gimme Miyamoto, Reggie, or even the skinny white dude (Brian?).

However, the Montage was much cooler than the Superbowl ad.

I'm still a bit miffed there's no Pokemon GO news.

That's going to be at GDC in a week I think

Noqanky

There wasn't really a reason to expect Pokemon Go info, imo. They had already made it clear the first real news we can expect on it will be in mid-March.

Also, it was clearly an international direct that they didn't feel the need to adjust to every single region, so they kept it simple and just added dubbing. For Reggie or Bill Trinnen to do it it would have required for NoE to also get someone to do it on their end, etc.
Miyamoto has never really led a pokemon direct either. I actually don't recall him ever leading a direct, just featuring in some.

But yea, this didn't even come close to Iwata's reveal of X and Y. Which meant so much more given how the man was responsible for making localization of the first pokemon games a reality, so having the series simultaneously localized now actually means something coming three years ago from Iwata.

Conekiller

Then why make it a "Direct" then instead of just releasing the "Trailer" and some info about Bank and added languages? I can't recall any other Directs that have been this short. it just goes back to that "obligated to do it" feeling I mentioned earlier.

Crossword

I'd really like to see a long overdue bottlenose dolphin Pokemon (Lanturn's the closest we currently have) and the abolishment of that stupid rule of almost every non-boss trainer only having three Pokemon on their team.

And a Dark Gym, because seriously what the hell?

Robby

@Crossword:

And a Dark Gym, because seriously what the hell?

Because its "evil" type in Japanese and something something.

Same reason Ash and his friends haven't had any full dark types in the anime. (Outside of Greninja and Krookodile, and even those that's only their secondary half. I guess James has Inkay)

…There was Sidney and Grimsley in the Elite 4? They had dark teams.

KzTxL7

Dark Type Gym would be amazing. I've been waiting for one forever.

Other than that, I would prefer to see a Defensive increase in Pokemon.

The power creep in Pokemon for competitive has mainly been towards offense base while defensive has gotten few decent stuff.
AND FOR GOD'S SAKE GIVE SAMUROTT SHELL SMASH ALREADY!

NateRich

I've been wanting an Ice/Fighting since Gen IV. Super effective against 9 types, but weak against 6(thanks to Fairy). And we do need better ice types. Our best by default last gen was Mega-~~Gimmick~~Glalie@KzTxL7:

Other than that, I would prefer to see a Defensive increase in Pokemon.

The power creep in Pokemon for competitive has mainly been towards offense base while defensive has gotten few decent stuff.

That's why doubles is fun for me. It's not all about sweeping like singles is and you can get away with using a variety of Pokemon

maxterdexter

Water bear, tardigrade defensive bug with something like magic guard or rypherior skill.

Robby's long awaited ice wolf

Continuing the two stages different bears, a fire black bear

If its going to south america, ties with new, and interesting grass and bug types are a given, another tarantula, big on the animal/fruit hybrids, a capibara Mon. Just tone down the household items this gen.

While it being Hawaii would make sense, I'd rather somethg continental tropical. Hawaii would need upscaling and putting more landmarks in the area for a region, specially after the tourist trap that were pokeNY and pokefrance. Considering that the super bowl trailer started in Brazil, and the Olympics are there this year, they could just ignore the issues about it and do it anyways.

Satsuki

@Robby:

Because its "evil" type in Japanese and something something.

Same reason Ash and his friends haven't had any full dark types in the anime. (Outside of Greninja and Krookodile, and even those that's only their secondary half. I guess James has Inkay)

…There was Sidney and Grimsley in the Elite 4? They had dark teams.

"Evil"? Really? They can make spooky Ghost gyms and Elites but they won't make a Dark Gym? C'mon, man.

Robby

@Satsuki:

"Evil"? Really? They can make spooky Ghost gyms and Elites but they won't make a Dark Gym? C'mon, man.

That's the thing. It's not "dark". It's literally called "evil" type in Japan.

Why they made it a catchable, usable thing if that was going to be their rationale, rather than just something for badguys, I dunno, but it is what it is.

Nobodyman

@Satsuki:

"Evil"? Really?

Notice how many dark type moves are some kind of under-handed move.

Beat Up
Bite
Fake Tears
Feint Attack
Foul Play
Nasty Plot
Snatch
Sucker Punch
Taunt
Thief

Nami

I'm still waiting for my Pokemon Pink and Orange tbh.

Noqanky

@Conekiller:

Then why make it a "Direct" then instead of just releasing the "Trailer" and some info about Bank and added languages? I can't recall any other Directs that have been this short. it just goes back to that "obligated to do it" feeling I mentioned earlier.

Yea, given what we got that's an amazingly good question. It was probably symbolic in that the head of pokemon company addressing the fans on the 20th anniversary is a nice thing of them to do, but given what they had to show they really could have just released the trailer.

maxterdexter

On the other hand, it's very lackluster for them to release a standalone trailer. Other than nintendo revealing another bunch of games, or do the blizzard route and do the annoucement of an announcement of an announcement.

At least it wasnt like always, and just Corocoro it.

Robby

Gaijin Goomba is usually pretty spot on. Knowing nothing else, I'll agree with it.

@maxterdexter:

Robby's long awaited ice wolf

Now that Gaijin Goomba has brought it up, I'd also be totally cool with a sun wolf, (amaterasu!) whatever that would entail. Not a fire wolf, we've already got Growlithe and Houndoom and Entei and Pyroar, and for all intents and purposes that's good enough. Just want a wolf.

Of course if that was true it'd be a stupid en game legendary….

Yobiyopi

Will Sun & Moon be relevant to the games story? Pokémon titles generally don't, except maybe BW where we had Reshiram & Zekrom (and as a stretch Gold & Silver), but for others like Ruby & Sapphire, Diamond & Pearl and so on they really didn't mean anything. Also Sun & Moon as a color palette are yet again Red & Blue, just like the first, Ruby & Sapphire and X & Y, i would like to know if it's a coincidence or intentional to remind of those 2 symbolic pokémon colors

Robby

@Yobiyopi:

Will Sun & Moon be relevant to the games story? Pokémon titles generally don't, except maybe BW where we had Reshiram & Zekrom (and as a stretch Gold & Silver), but for others like Ruby & Sapphire, Diamond & Pearl and so on they really didn't mean anything.

Yes, they generally refer to the box legends. The originals were the only time that wasn't really the case, as they were more about the starters.

Red/Bue/Green/Yellow-Starters and Pikachu
Silver/Gold-Lugia Ho-Oh
Ruby/Sapphire/Emeral- Groudon Kyogre Rayquaza
Diamond/Pearl/Platinum- Dialga Palkia Giratina
Black/White- Reshirom Zekrom
XY- Xerneas Yveltal

Heck, it was SO obvious in XY, even tying to their names, its why everyone assumed there'd be a Z with Zygarde. But yeah, names have always tied into the legendary. Even more so with Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby.

Crystal with Suicune is the only one that doesn't really fit and even then you could give some argument for him fitting.

Also Sun & Moon as a color palette are yet again Red & Blue, just like the first, Ruby & Sapphire and X & Y, i would like to know if it's a coincidence or intentional to remind of those 2 symbolic pokémon colors

They're good colors that are easy to look at that contrast and complement well. Tradition may have something to do with it but pure color clarity is probably most of it.

maxterdexter

I don't know, too broad, even if Amateratsu (Ookami) would be the thing that changes me back to sun (that and my own pattern of trying to avoid the "cold" version after the last one I already got the "cold" one) there are just way to many sun and moon gods that have duality, rivalry or animosity to say "AHA Japan again!".

With the tropical setting already a given, the most japanesse tropical setting in japan being the sourthen island (Kyushu) and having gottten ORAS just before, I don't see them revisiting Hoenn this fast.

Besides what actualy IS in the parts of japan left to addapt? Nagano? Fukushima? Other very cold places, but not as cold as Hokkaido/Shinnoh?

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Was the global market even dented by Yokai watch?

To sum it up: Very likely not in Japan. Sun vs Moon is a theme in many cultures and religions, and untill the moon pokemon kills the food pokemon that barfs food, there is too little to pinpoint it.

Yobiyopi

@Robby:

Yes, they generally refer to the box legends. The originals were the only time that wasn't really the case, as they were more about the starters.

Red/Bue/Green/Yellow-Starters and Pikachu
Silver/Gold-Lugia Ho-Oh
Ruby/Sapphire/Emeral- Groudon Kyogre Rayquaza
Diamond/Pearl/Platinum- Dialga Palkia Giratina
Black/White- Reshirom Zekrom
XY- Xerneas Yveltal

Heck, it was SO obvious in XY, even tying to their names, its why everyone assumed there'd be a Z with Zygarde. But yeah, names have always tied into the legendary. Even more so with Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby.

Crystal with Suicune is the only one that doesn't really fit and even then you could give some argument for him fitting.

I was talking about the story rather than the legendaries themselves, because there are no mentions of rubys, sapphires, emeralds, pearls, diamonds or platinum. XY are just letters that can refer to Xerneas & Yveltal so that's something i guess? Black & White were obviously more tied in because of the black representing ideals and white the truth, so in this case with something that can be easily put in a story like the Sun & Moon i wonder if it will mean something.

For example, Diamond & Pearl could have easily been named Time & Space, since it would have made more sense for the story, just like Ruby & Sapphire could have been named Earth & Sea ( & Sky). XY could have been Life & Death (but that's pretty grim), and Black & White obviously Truth & Ideals as i said, so i think given this "pattern", Sun & Moon could hide a deeper meaning that won't be revealed simply by the titles.

Hekti

Just give me a Dark/Bug Mosquito.

Fits with the South American theme as well

Robby

@Yobiyopi:

I was talking about the story rather than the legendaries themselves,.

They kept a color theme for so long because that was the tradition started with the first games.

But the colors very definitely refer to the box art legends, jut in a very broad way.

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@maxterdexter:

Was the global market even dented by Yokai watch?

No, because outside Japan no one cares about YW. But in Japan, yes it's a big deal and that's the audience they would ultimately care about the most, even if it is a worldwide franchise.

maxterdexter

@Hekti:

Just give me a Dark/Bug Mosquito.

Fits with the South American theme as well

Too soon man, too soon.

Noqanky

Gaijin Goomba is extremely biased towards Japanese culture due to that being what he's studied and dealt with most, and in that sense it's hard for me to take that prediction with any serious merit.

The fact of the matter is that there are countless cultures that deify both the Sun and the Moon, hence why so many people all over the place are suggesting wildly different things, from Latin America to Africa to China to Singapore. Here we have a case of someone suggesting Japanese culture, which also is possible, but there's nothing about it that makes it any more likely than other cultures.

Because that's the other thing: with X and Y the pokemon company have made it an extremely obvious fact that they are treating the main games as more of a celebration of pokemon fans WORLDWIDE. If you look at all the recent commercials like the super bowl one, the approach is very obviously an international one, moreso in that it's the one Nintendo franchise that receives decent localization in multiple regions at the same time.
X and Y did a fantastic job of establishing this tone, and if I remember correctly even Gaijin Goomba himself made a huge deal of it, from all the French culture and presence of various languages within the game, including the song in the credits having simultaneous subtitles in different languages.

Point of this being: at this point, in this day and age and as a follow up to X and Y which moved into the international realm more than any pokemon game before it, it makes zero sense to me to suddenly go back and focus intensely on Japan. If it did happen, it'd honestly be extremely disappointing.

GetsugaZoro

@Robby:

Gaijin Goomba is usually pretty spot on. Knowing nothing else, I'll agree with it.

They mentioned going back to basics last year in an interview, not sure if basics means japan and japanese gods/concepts, but its plausible.

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Pokemon Day Stream just started on twitch, damn I want those T-shirts.

http://www.twitch.tv/pokemon

Tyrano

@Hekti:

Just give me a Dark/Bug Mosquito.

Fits with the South American theme as well

And give it an ability to increase further 50% of the supposed increase gained from all the health sucking moves.

And hidden ability of inflicting status upon said sucking.

Pre ordered moon version.
is there some advantage to wait further? I know I will be getting one anyways just wondering if ordering fast makes difference to waiting then ordering.

Chrissie

This kinda killed me

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@maxterdexter:

Water bear

Yes.

….Yes .

Tyrano

Steel Dragon for Moon legendary and Fire Fairy for Sun.
Dragon would look way cooler but in battle Fairy will wreck it.

Robby

Come on Mantis Shrimp!

C_uggs

The one thing I don't want to see in this new game are new evolutions for mons of the Gen I to Gen IV. I would love to see new evolutions for some pokemons of the 5th gen and 6th gen.

KageKageKing

@Captain:

The one thing I don't want to see in this new game are new evolutions for mons of the Gen I to Gen IV. I would love to see new evolutions for some pokemons of the 5th gen and 6th gen.

Mega-Evolutions are the new groove nowadays.

Chrissie

Jynx needs an evolution

Nekketsu

@Chrissie:

Jynx needs an evolution

I have the urge to shoot myself picturing that thing.

Cyan D. Funk

@Chrissie:

Jynx needs an evolution

Make it a Gardevoir/Gallade thing - males evolve into Mr. Popo and females evolve into something between Arethea Franklin and Nicki Minaj.

cloudrivera

A whole lot of mons need evolutions. Fuck Mega Evolutions. I want every generation to get love

Chrissie

@Nekketsu:

I have the urge to shoot myself picturing that thing.

C'mon. It has potential! I wish this hadn't been fake…
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Cyan D. Funk

@Chrissie:

C'mon. It has potential! I wish this hadn't been fake…
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It bears an uncanny resemblance to Sanji.

Chrissie

What is it hiding under that fringe?

Robby

That's just fat shaming. Sure the overall Jynx design is pretty meh, but going "Fat is ugly and making her thin and pretty will fix her!" is kind of lame. When most other mons evolve they get bigger and tougher. Same thing happened with the Vileploom line when they gave it a cute dancing girl alt mode. (Polywrath turning into a toad I'm cool with though.)

It is a nice design, it just shouldn't be Jynx.

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Obviously Jynx should just turn into Amethyst from Stephen Universe.

And every tenth battle she can have a crocodile head for no reason.

Chrissie

@Robby:

That's just fat shaming. Sure the overall Jynx design is pretty meh, but going "Fat is ugly and making her thin and pretty will fix her!" is kind of lame.

Jynx is not fat at all though? I simply love the dancer outfit. Looks pretty oriental to me and I dig that.

When most other mons evolve they get bigger and tougher. Same thing happened with the Vileploom line when they gave it a cute dancing girl alt mode. (Polywrath turning into a toad I'm cool with though.)

Bellossom is ADORABLE. And as it is an alternate evolution for Gloom for people to pick, I don't see how it is a problem. There are PLENTY of masculine mons and boyish designs. I am personally glad to have some extra cute and girlish final evolutions to pick from as well. As you said most final forms evolve to get bigger and tougher. Why not some more extra feminine/cute ones? They certainly are outnumbered in the games.

It is a nice design, it just shouldn't be Jynx.

It's a fake design that is never going to exist anyways. Unfortunately Jynx is solely Female so it can't have a split evolution line like Ralts or Snorunt (whose final possible fem form Frosslass also makes me happy)

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That evolution also makes Jynx easier on the eyes. Much, much prettier and still not fat at all. It's just more detailed which I think it's one of the main problems with Jynx's simple yet obnoxious design.

Obviously Jynx should just turn into Amethyst from Stephen Universe.

As Amethyst IS my favorite of the Gems, I wouldn't mind that at all

And every tenth battle she can have a crocodile head for no reason.

Brilliant.

Noqanky

@Chrissie:

Jynx is not fat at all though? I simply love the dancer outfit. Looks pretty oriental to me and I dig that.

I think the point Robby is making is that by making the evolution clearly skinny it makes it seem like fat-shaming since it'd imply attractive, skinny is superior to looking fat.

And Jynx is most definitely stocky at the least. Like, compare the size of the clothing in the designs.

Chrissie

I didn't argue that the fake Evolution isn't thin. What I am not agreeing with is that Jynx is fat. I would consider Snorlax, Slaking, Hariyama fat but Jynx? Not at all! It's definitely short though.

What I find extremely bleugh it its design is that it goes straight from head to boobs. No neck in between.

And hell if you only change the eyes on the design it will instantly make it more attractive.