Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
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I have a hard time to buy Drake to be an undercover considering his encounter with Kizaru at Sabaody.
An undercover cop doesn't tell other cops he's undercover.
That aside, I don't think he's undercover either. I believe he's seeking his own justice and will rejoin the Marines at the top when all is said and done.
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He did make a remark about Vegapunk when seeing Pacifista. Has to tie in somehow. Maybe not this arc, but later.
But that also implies heavily that he will indeed not be falling together with Kaido.
Not sure if I'd prefer him being tied with Marines still or acting out on his own all along. The former would have to play a part this arc, and ti would mean Marines will be involved in one way or the other. But so far, it doesn't seem like they want to have any business with coming confrontation.
Maybe he was just sent to get Poneglyph data, though.
Wonder when Caribou plotline will return.
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Fall in with Kaido!?
Not only is he a Supernova which means he'll be Luffy's unofficial tertiary crew, that was the point of the article to begin with. No way he's with Kaido b/c he agrees with Kaido.
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About inheriting again: Roger had a disease without cure. Do you think Luffy might catch a disease as well?
Those 10 yrs Iva took from him must somewhen come to relevance, don't you think?
I always thought Doc Q had a disease-based-DF (call it an anti-heal-DF if you want to), but now we have a calamity with the moniker "the plague" who could have a "disease-by-touch"-DF.
Not that I want Luffy to get sick,but it would add a "time-pressure" to achieve his Goal becoming PK and Chopper would get as important as Robin if that was the case.
"Oh, with this disease you got another 10 yrs. Long enough to become PK."
"But Iva took 10 from me when he cured me!" (only if Luffy remembered this 'side-info', of course!)
"Dr. Chopper! Your doc-skills are needed like never before!!!" -
I never really thought too much about that, but that would make for some great spotlighting for Chopper. Maybe he could even get his 'The 5th person" chapter. I'm gonna be mad if something like that doesn't happen now.
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I never really thought too much about that, but that would make for some great spotlighting for Chopper. Maybe he could even get his 'The 5th person" chapter. I'm gonna be mad if something like that doesn't happen now.
And what about the sixth?
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Fall in with Kaido!?
Not only is he a Supernova which means he'll be Luffy's unofficial tertiary crew, that was the point of the article to begin with. No way he's with Kaido b/c he agrees with Kaido.
Who even said that.
Thought he was a spy from the moment he was first shown transforming in front of Scotch.
So now I think it's either that, or using Kaido's power for his own goals.
Sometimes I state the obvious. Haven't read the article…
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About inheriting again: Roger had a disease without cure. Do you think Luffy might catch a disease as well?
Those 10 yrs Iva took from him must somewhen come to relevance, don't you think?
I always thought Doc Q had a disease-based-DF (call it an anti-heal-DF if you want to), but now we have a calamity with the moniker "the plague" who could have a "disease-by-touch"-DF.
Not that I want Luffy to get sick,but it would add a "time-pressure" to achieve his Goal becoming PK and Chopper would get as important as Robin if that was the case.
"Oh, with this disease you got another 10 yrs. Long enough to become PK."
"But Iva took 10 from me when he cured me!" (only if Luffy remembered this 'side-info', of course!)
"Dr. Chopper! Your doc-skills are needed like never before!!!"Chopper's dream of "curing all disease" is one that is pretty much impossible to cover in the course of the series, and would break credibility even for this series. It's long been speculated that near the end Luffy will catch whatever Roger had and Chopper will be able to do what others were not. However, the fact that it HAS been speculated, for a very very long time, makes me think that's maybe not the kind of final challenge Oda will go for in Chopper's case.
Nami's dream is the other awkward one. In-series she'll be able to make a map that leads to Raftel and that may well count for all intents and purposes, but her map of the world is going to take multiple trips and years to do properly, that's an epilogue achievement. The timing on Franky and Brook's is pretty weird as well since when they finish the grand line isn't necessarily the end of the series, but if it comes before the great war then Brook's resolution will be years before everyone else's. So… stuff.
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And what about the sixth?
That's Robin. Would work when she gives us the deets on Raftel's location once they get to that point. Or when she reads the rio poneglyph. Preferably the former since that's directly helping the future pirate king and makes me more tingly inside.
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I never really thought too much about that, but that would make for some great spotlighting for Chopper. Maybe he could even get his 'The 5th person" chapter. I'm gonna be mad if something like that doesn't happen now.
Chopper's dream of "curing all disease" is one that is pretty much impossible to cover in the course of the series, and would break credibility even for this series. It's long been speculated that near the end Luffy will catch whatever Roger had and Chopper will be able to do what others were not. However, the fact that it HAS been speculated, for a very very long time, makes me think that's maybe not the kind of final challenge Oda will go for in Chopper's case.
Nami's dream is the other awkward one. In-series she'll be able to make a map that leads to Raftel and that may well count for all intents and purposes, but her map of the world is going to take multiple trips and years to do properly, that's an epilogue achievement. The timing on Franky and Brook's is pretty weird as well since when they finish the grand line isn't necessarily the end of the series, but if it comes before the great war then Brook's resolution will be years before everyone else's. So… stuff.
Thx for the respond. Of course it's Long ago, that speculating about Luffy getting a serious disease. Iva took those 10 yrs from him Long ago too.
I just wonder if this circumstance will become relevant in the future. Just like that huge "Monster" in the Florian triangle. Since Lola+co were sitting in W7 post-TS, it didn't seem to harm them at all. Quite a bummer Oda never scratched on that Thing again (yet), but he had to Show us the plate-hating maid who served as Cindory's shadow. -
But that Florian Triangle monster is likely just the rest of Zou's herd.
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But that Florian Triangle monster is likely just the rest of Zou's herd.
Then it'd be cool to find out. It's a bit sad, that such loose Story-threads still hang around, with the Chance getting thinner and thinner that those threads getting webbed in. I'm also curious about Laboon's School of whales and why they're all scarred at the top of their heads. Makes me think the RL COULD be an "artificial" continent.
But I'm sure that riddle about the whales gets solved. About the Forian triangle Silhouette I'm not so sure anymore. -
Well, if the Florian triangle monster IS Zou's herd, we'll probably get more clarification on that when Zou's story is done. Which will probably be at the end of Wano.
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Yeah, finding out more about ancient past will inevitably bring back Zunisha and the cause of his punishment into focus. Maybe it gets a chance to reunite with it's herd again at some point.
Have to wonder by what means did it get separated in the first place.
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Greg do you think Wano and Shandora are related in any way ? Country of gold Wano, city of gold for Shandora.
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Greg do you think Wano and Shandora are related in any way ? Country of gold Wano, city of gold for Shandora.
Wasn't a connection between the two already confirmed in the latest Vivre Card packs?
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As much as everyone loves the theories on the Florian Triangle monster…is it wrong that I don't want any answer to it? I loved how TB ended with saying "yeah remember how at the start we said this area has been haunted for a LONG time, like much longer than Moriah has been here? Well shits about to get spooky 0_0"
I'd rather this be an unsolved mysterious anomaly.
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Yeah I agree. Something like that should remain a mystery since that's the whole appeal to it in the first place. Nothing Oda gives us will top whatever we're cooking in our imagination. Plus I still think the resemblance to a giant elephant is a big stretch.
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Even Usopp's random remarks end up being foreshadowings, so I doubt a creature or creatures that were shown living in a similarly fogged area as Zunisha will be just left as a one time thing.
I think it was Greg that first implied that those silhouettes could in fact be 3 elephants.
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Zou's herd or Zou itself.
Depending on the perspective it hella-looks like three of Zunisha's legs.
"But Red Line."
"But Oda."
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Couldn't they cross the Calm Belt whenever they want?
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Couldn't they cross the Calm Belt whenever they want?
CB yes.
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CB yes.
RL no .Thriller Bark has crossed the Redline at least twice, assuming it really was constructed in West Blue. I can't imagine coating a "ship" of that size, so a Zunesha-size elephant would only be the second most unrealistic thing to get past the wall.
But as easy as it is to see three legs, or two legs and a trunk in there, the following panels depict the eyes way too close to the water for a Zoulephant, so it's pretty questionable in my eyes.
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Thriller Bark has crossed the Redline at least twice, assuming it really was constructed in West Blue. I can't imagine coating a "ship" of that size, so a Zunesha-size elephant would only be the second most unrealistic thing to get past the wall.
But as easy as it is to see three legs, or two legs and a trunk in there, the following panels depict the eyes way too close to the water for a Zoulephant, so it's pretty questionable in my eyes.
Nah, you're not looking at it the right way. Tough to describe. If it's Zunisha, or its mate, those are its three legs with the fourth obscured. Similar to the pose from Zou's reveal.
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Ok, so how about thriller bark going through fishman island? While TB is big, I doubt it's bigger than FI, and maybe from the new world going back isn't such a bumpy ride.
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I imagine with a "ship" as big as Thriller Barque, it wouldn't be able to really dock at Fishman Island like most ships. It would probably need to weigh anchor outside FI's bubble and have some kind of "airlock/bridge/tube" to pass between the two.
But frankly, as long as it can get a big/durable enough coating to cover it, I don't think it'd be too much of an issue to sail the thing under the Red Line like any other.
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Ok, so how about thriller bark going through fishman island? While TB is big, I doubt it's bigger than FI, and maybe from the new world going back isn't such a bumpy ride.
Doesn't matter. When SHs went there, it was in the first half of the GL. So those elephants(or a single one) must have been also close by, unless they were a mirage created from the opposite side of Red Line.
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We already know those elephants have ridiculously long legs, so if Oda wanted to just say they climbed the red line, that'd be fine.
Because Oda drew Zou with normal elephant proportions that had its feet in the water, and then later he (or a fan) realized that the ocean floor is not the same as the surface of the water. So…
Thriller Bark is a little harder to deal with but considering basically everything on it is undead, they may not need to actually coat the entire thing.
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What if there is a hidden fissure on the red line that Zunisha could pass through?
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If there were a crack in the Red Line big enough for an island-sized elephant to pass through, I have a hard time believing that it'd remain a secret for long…
It would effectively open up a third route between Paradise and the New World that bypasses both Fishman Island and Mary Geoise, and that would be VERY valuable for anyone who knew about it
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If there were a crack in the Red Line big enough for an island-sized elephant to pass through, I have a hard time believing that it'd remain a secret for long…
It'd be pretty easy to keep secret. Calm belt and sea kings mean it'd be really hard to get anywhere along the line. You'd need motorized travel or a slew of guys rowing nonstop, a way of dealing with the random weather, plus something to keep the sea kings away (which the marines now have.)
The OP ocean is not one you can just casually go out into. That said, it seems like a thing a Fishman would be able to discover given time.
Anyway, island sized elephant with giant legs being able to cross the wall doesn't bother me at all.
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It'd be pretty easy to keep secret. Calm belt and sea kings mean it'd be really hard to get anywhere along the line. You'd need motorized travel or a slew of guys rowing nonstop, a way of dealing with the random weather, plus something to keep the sea kings away (which the marines now have.)
Assuming it's in the Calm Belt, it would still also be possible to find by traversing the Red Line on foot. While Mary Geoise is seemingly the only settlement of consequence on the Red Line, it would be strange to think that people HAVEN'T explored and settled at other locations along its length (Red Port equivalents to let people travel from North Blue to East Blue and vice versa, for example). As a result, the World Government and the Marines should know about it, at the very least. And even if they're rare, there are people that live in the Calm Belt (such as the Kuja) that have means of keeping Sea Kings at bay as well.
Furthermore, even if navigation from island to island across the open sea is much more difficult in the Grand Line, sailing along the coast of the Red Line should be manageable for almost anyone. The thing's a mountain-sized wall rising out of the ocean. As long as it's in sight (which would be long before you risk running into it), just keeping it to one side of the ship or the other would let you sail as far as you like.
I find it doubtful that such a secret could be kept for too long, even if it's only accessible by a select few groups.
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What if there's a big tunnel in the red line's calm belt section?
Just say those not-Laboons kept hitting the wall til it crumbled enough and no one can see it from above
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Rayleigh can cross the calm belt, maybe Zounisha too can or there is some sort of an understanding between Zou and the Seakings where they don't attack it.
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So, if you look at RL in Chapter 905, you can see a World Govt logo inscribed on the side of the cliff face. Perfectly in line with that is an effing huge ship prow with the WG symbol on it. Now, that cliff face looks like it's part of the mountain but note how it's somewhat indented there. It's possible that there are or rather were ways to get get through but they were plugged up by WG and that's what separated them if they are two different entities.
Furthermore since it's the wacky and weird world of OP that Oda can craft as he likes, there could totally be a part of RL that feature massive outcrops that are miles apart and would be completely useless to any normal life form but make perfect stairs for Zunisha.
The possibilities are endless.
I say it all the time. You wanna predict One Piece? Then start taking the side of what you think is impossible, and think about how you could make it possible. That's what Oda tries to do every week.
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So, if you look at RL in Chapter 905, you can see a World Govt logo inscribed on the side of the cliff face. Perfectly in line with that is an effing huge ship prow with the WG symbol on it. Now, that cliff face looks like it's part of the mountain but note how it's somewhat indented there. It's possible that there are or rather were ways to get get through but they were plugged up by WG and that's what separated them if they are two different entities.
Furthermore since it's the wacky and weird world of OP that Oda can craft as he likes, there could totally be a part of RL that feature massive outcrops that are miles apart and would be completely useless to any normal life form but make perfect stairs for Zunisha.
The possibilities are endless.
I say it all the time. You wanna predict One Piece? Then start taking the side of what you think is impossible, and think about how you could make it possible. That's what Oda tries to do every week.
So you dont know what are Oda's favourite Game of Thrones characters?
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The elephant can jump really really high.
Feels like an Oda SBS answer
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We already know those elephants have ridiculously long legs, so if Oda wanted to just say they climbed the red line, that'd be fine.
Because Oda drew Zou with normal elephant proportions that had its feet in the water, and then later he (or a fan) realized that the ocean floor is not the same as the surface of the water. So…
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Thriller Bark is a little harder to deal with but considering basically everything on it is undead, they may not need to actually coat the entire thing.
Coating is not for air only, is for the boat or island to sink as well.
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The revolutionary army seems to have infiltrated from the red port, having literally the rest of the circumference of the world to mount an invasion, there must be other defences or particularly harsh terrain everywhere else.
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There could also exist a massive underwater cave with sections of its ceiling above sea level. Allowing giant elephants to use their trunks as snorkels.
Since we're spinning it already.
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So you dont know what are Oda's favourite Game of Thrones characters?
? What did that have to do with the quote? Did somebody (you?) ask that or something? [doesn't read every single post in the thread]
The elephant can jump really really high.
Feels like an Oda SBS answer
This.
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Coating is not for air only, is for the boat or island to sink as well.
Thriller Bark is a unique construction, not a typical boat. It could have weight or air filled things separate from coating for doing the rise and fall. This is all under the assumption that coating an island is too massive a job in the first place.
If guys can ride balloons to the moon, well…
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Yeah, it could even pull what Wapol's ship did.
Or it got transported by the super secret underground network that pushes black market goods back and forth across RL with their intstantaneous teleporting DF user.
Know what I mean?
Like the telegram bats, which everyone just accepts despite being effing absurd, Oda can literally make any explanation for that.
I'm still laughing over the CP-0 buttpull.
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So, if you look at RL in Chapter 905, you can see a World Govt logo inscribed on the side of the cliff face. Perfectly in line with that is an effing huge ship prow with the WG symbol on it. Now, that cliff face looks like it's part of the mountain but note how it's somewhat indented there. It's possible that there are or rather were ways to get get through but they were plugged up by WG and that's what separated them if they are two different entities.
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I say it all the time. You wanna predict One Piece? Then start taking the side of what you think is impossible, and think about how you could make it possible. That's what Oda tries to do every week.I can live with the fact, that the WG has "artificially" plugged up a huge continent to make it one huge wall around the planet.
Still think a serpent's or demon's tree (where the DFs originally came from) is impossible? I mean it could have been planted and grown by the ancient kingdom (therefore called "devil's fruits", cause "god's natural enemy" has to be "the devil").
BTW, what is the CP-0-buttpull?
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As much as everyone loves the theories on the Florian Triangle monster…is it wrong that I don't want any answer to it? I loved how TB ended with saying "yeah remember how at the start we said this area has been haunted for a LONG time, like much longer than Moriah has been here? Well shits about to get spooky 0_0"
I'd rather this be an unsolved mysterious anomaly.
Yeah I personally want it to be unsolved
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]Zou's herd or Zou itself.
Depending on the perspective it hella-looks like three of Zunisha's legs.
"But Red Line."
"But Oda."
personally I think it's some Lovecraftian Monster like Khutulu or something demonic.
But different. I think this because of the purple and supernatural/demonic aura or mist of the Florian/Magic Triangle. It's not like Zous mist, plus it seems stationary.
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BTW, what is the CP-0-buttpull?
Oda had already established all the CP branches… and CP9 was the secret assassin branch that no one knew about it.
He wanted to keep that group around, and needed to escalate it in power, but he couldn't very well say "There's a secret secret CP-10 branch of even more assassiney assassins" because that's silly.
So he went "There's also a CP-0 branch. People totally know about that, it's not secret. Its just uh, super special. They're the actual strong branch and they work for the world nobles directly."
Bleach actually did the same thing when one of its numbered badguys who was ranked 10 removed the 1 to showcase he was actually the strongest, and it was silly then too.
But different. I think this because of the purple and supernatural/demonic aura or mist of the Florian/Magic Triangle. It's not like Zous mist, plus it seems stationary.
What the anime did is not what the manga did.
Also, time of day, location, and quantity effects lighting and colors, especially with stuff like mist and water.
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Oda had already established all the CP branches… and CP9 was the secret assassin branch that no one knew about it. @Robby:
He wanted to keep that group around, and needed to escalate it in power, but he couldn't very well say "There's a secret secret CP-10 branch of even more assassiney assassins" because that's silly.
So he went "There's also a CP-0 branch. People totally know about that, it's not secret. Its just uh, super special. They're the actual strong branch and they work for the world nobles directly."
Bleach actually did the same thing when one of its numbered badguys who was ranked 10 removed the 1 to showcase he was actually the strongest, and it was silly then too.(…)
Ok, i already thought sth like that was meant by that. TBH I thought there had to be some Bodyguards protecting the gorousei, but I wouldn't have expected another CP. Especially after the "if a CD gets hurt, he can call an Admiral"-Thing. But the butt-pull INSIDE the butt-pull was Lucci being in some Kind of Charge and above Spandam although the latter and his dad tried a lot to get rid of him.
The Florian triangle Monster can be 3 zou-legs, but one of those legs has either 2 eyes or a surface piercing with 2 shiny reflections.
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See, I would have just called them simply AEGIS. Fills the role but with no Cipher Pol ties.