I don't see Luffy as the kind to claim territories.
Err.. but he's already been shown wanting to do so on Fishman Island.
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Err.. but he's already been shown wanting to do so on Fishman Island.
I know that scene.
He had to antoganized Big Mom so the place wouldn't get destroyed(due to his action). He both tried to reason and negociate before having to throw that line. He didn't do it because he wanted to. He did because he had to.
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dressrosa is not up for grabs.
also,luffy doesn't have the man power to already go around claim territories..even if he claims dressrosa..the marines or other yonkous are gonna establish their influence like the next day -
Kind of agree. Fishman Island is different because the discrimination against fishmen leaves them with very few strong allies, and the fact that all pirates entering the New World must pass through FI makes them particularly vulnerable. Luffy probably just claimed it to turn the situation into a conflict between him and Big Mom, not because he actually desires territories.
Dressrosa on the other hand now has a king who is shown to be well respected by neighboring kingdoms and who has powerful allies like Elizabello who would surely come to his aid in a crisis. I don't think there's really any need for Luffy to claim it.
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Luffy is directly opposing Kaido, a yonko, and even though Doffy held Dressrosa you could say Kaido held it by extension. Claiming Dressrosa doesn't just safeguard it for the near future it's also a statement. People that STILL think Luffy isn't going to be claiming territories are just fooling themselves when FI alone should have killed all notions to the contrary.
It's a well accepted theory that Luffy is building his allies here, that's in line with being a yonko. But people want to think he's going to have all this power and influence and NOT have any territories? Why even have these guys besides the war at the end? Even mooks like Brownbeard claim territories given the chance. People didn't touch Dressrosa before because of Mingo, it's FREE GAME now. Unless Luffy takes it.
Luffy has enough allies here to safeguard Dressrosa alone. Saying he doesn't have the power to protect it from yonkos is silly when he's already making moves against them. What more do you want from him, he's already IN the conflict. He's already opposing them. That ship has sailed.
Leaving Dressrosa to fend for itself would be akin to straight up abandoning it. This isn't Paradise, territory is a major thing here.
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I've mentioned this in the Yonkou thread, but there's clearly an incorrect presumption that Luffy is going to and is claiming territories because he wants to show power, when that isn't the case at all. He wants to protect his friends; that's something he has made clear in 18 years worth of manga. He wants to protect his friends in Fishman Island with his name, and it seems like he'd want to protect Dressrosa as well for the same reason. Dressrosa might be affiliated with the World Government, and it may have tons of allies in other countries (they even have the Happou Navy backing them now!) but really, Dressrosa's current state isn't much different from before Doffy got his hands on the country. Dressrosa has the same king and the same neighboring countries allying with them; it didn't stop Doflamingo, did it?
tl;dr Luffy puts his name on islands to protect his friends
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^ Which I completely agree with.
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Luffy "claimed" FI because he had no choice. Nothing force him to claim DressRosa.
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I've mentioned this in the Yonkou thread, but there's clearly an incorrect presumption that Luffy is going to and is claiming territories because he wants to show power, when that isn't the case at all. He wants to protect his friends; that's something he has made clear in 18 years worth of manga. He wants to protect his friends in Fishman Island with his name, and it seems like he'd want to protect Dressrosa as well for the same reason. Dressrosa might be affiliated with the World Government, and it may have tons of allies in other countries (they even have the Happou Navy backing them now!) but really, Dressrosa's current state isn't much different from before Doffy got his hands on the country. Dressrosa has the same king and the same neighboring countries allying with them; it didn't stop Doflamingo, did it?
tl;dr Luffy puts his name on islands to protect his friends
problem is,luffy's name alone isn't enough to protect shit,not if we are taling about the WG or the yonkous..the ones claiming territories
yonkous have territories because they have immense organizations and allies that allows them to keep them under their influence.the mugiwara don't even count ten members..and their "allies" in this arc still have their own objectives..they are allies,not subordinates,they are not gonna stay on dressorsa to defend it just because luffy says so.
what exactly is gonna happen if luffy claims dressrosa?he can't really defend it if someone else tries to invade because he has his own journey to make,and nobody wants to see luffy going back periodically
dressrosa will be alright..both because there isn't really anything of any worth on the island anymore,and because riku has plenty of allies,and the marines are already there and will probably keep it safe enough for the foreseeable future.
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I've also said this in the Yonkou thread.
That's the part of the reason why we were introduced to a ton of new characters in Dressrosa. There's also the hundred of formerly enslaved pirates in Fishman Island. And that's the second incorrect presumption people seem to think when it comes to Luffy and territories: that Luffy has to baby sit all of them constantly. Luffy has made many allies in Dressrosa, and surely all of them will swear allegiance to the Straw Hat Pirates. The Straw Hats themselves are known to be a big name, it's even bigger now that there's other pirates and kingdoms and bounty hunters and assassins that have become Luffy's allies.
Luffy is trying to protect his friends whilst making a ton of other powerful friends. It all fits in with his personality.
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@Game:
I've mentioned this in the Yonkou thread, but there's clearly an incorrect presumption that Luffy is going to and is claiming territories because he wants to show power, when that isn't the case at all. He wants to protect his friends; that's something he has made clear in 18 years worth of manga. He wants to protect his friends in Fishman Island with his name, and it seems like he'd want to protect Dressrosa as well for the same reason. Dressrosa might be affiliated with the World Government, and it may have tons of allies in other countries (they even have the Happou Navy backing them now!) but really, Dressrosa's current state isn't much different from before Doffy got his hands on the country. Dressrosa has the same king and the same neighboring countries allying with them; it didn't stop Doflamingo, did it?
To be fair, Doula Mongo was an extraordinary case. He only had an interest in Dressrosa because his family owned at it at some point and he had a mole in the Marines to help him out. The country was poor, offered little and had a strong army, so most people weren't interested in it.
Before Doula, it managed to survive by itself for centuries.
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So did Fishman Island though.
Not really. Slavery was rampant there until Whitebeard came. The problem was so big they had to go after Big Mom to protect them after Newgate died.
It also didn't help that Fishman Island was the only way to travel between Paradise and the New World for pirates.
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Not really. Slavery was rampant there until Whitebeard came. The problem was so big they had to go after Big Mom to protect them after Newgate died.
It also didn't help that Fishman Island was the only way to travel between Paradise and the New World for pirates.
that was only between the time roger died and the wave of prates came to the time white beard came and claimed the island. He was already a legend at that point, I can't imagine the gap being longer than a few years.
Dress Rosa had at least an island gap between FI and itself though, so all the fodder who would enslave fish men wouldn't make it that far anyways. Not really arguing for any one particular point but it was only in more recent history that FI was thrown into turmoil, and when kidnapping a few people nets you hundreds of millions and there's only a short window open to grab them, that's a lot of chaos.
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that was only between the time roger died and the wave of prates came to the time white beard came and claimed the island. He was already a legend at that point, I can't imagine the gap being longer than a few years
Dressrosa still survived Roger's age as Doflamingo took 15 years since his death to take it over.
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I think the point in Bellamy's character is not really to shed his blind allegiance though. It was actually portrayed as something we were supposed to respect.
And even if he sheds it, he will just start supporting Luffy anyway, the one other man he looks up to. He doesn't really fit in Law's crew, which is about characters that are devoted to Law instead.
Maybe Bellamy forces his way in some fashion to join Law's crew because Law saved Bellamy's life. Law "took away" Bellamy's chance to die so now Law in Bellamy's eyes must take care of him. Silly but maybe a possibility. Plus he will be near his new idol with the Luffy-Law alliance.
Kyros is not joining the SH's guys. His place is with Rebecca. His bronze statue might join though…
I was wondering how this is even going to happen in this great escape. They have no ship for the moment plus the statue is in the coliseum. I would think that is out of the way of the escape unless THAT is the way they plan to escape. Would seem to me a waste of foreshadowing if they didn't get the statue or Kyros.
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Dressrosa isn't the same country it was before. It's been the number one underground broker hotspot for 10 years now. Even if everything there is wiped clean it won't stop pissed off brokers from checking the island and then turning around and attacking it when they find nothing there. We even have panels proving the former. It's only because an admiral is there that they haven't done it yet.
Also, to be frank, I would legit be surprised if Dressrosa stayed a WG affiliate after this.
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I've also said this in the Yonkou thread.
That's the part of the reason why we were introduced to a ton of new characters in Dressrosa. There's also the hundred of formerly enslaved pirates in Fishman Island. And that's the second incorrect presumption people seem to think when it comes to Luffy and territories: that Luffy has to baby sit all of them constantly. Luffy has made many allies in Dressrosa, and surely all of them will swear allegiance to the Straw Hat Pirates. The Straw Hats themselves are known to be a big name, it's even bigger now that there's other pirates and kingdoms and bounty hunters and assassins that have become Luffy's allies.
Luffy is trying to protect his friends whilst making a ton of other powerful friends. It all fits in with his personality.
Why is it nobody listens to me? That's what I was saying! All the allies he made in Dressrosa would protect it in the Strawhat name! Sigh…
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Actually yeah, Dressrosa is actually more vulnerable than it was before.
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Any idea what chapter the dressrossa arc will end on?
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Err.. but he's already been shown wanting to do so on Fishman Island.
Actually Luffy hasn't done anything after that moment that shows he's the owner of Fishman Island. It was much ado about nothing.
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Actually Luffy hasn't done anything after that moment that shows he's the owner of Fishman Island. It was much ado about nothing.
Well yeah, Big Mom needs to be taken out of the picture before it can actually become Luffy's territory. You can bet that's going to be important later on after she's taken down.
It just hasn't been the main focus because of the story focusing on other things for the past 3 years.
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That was included in the latest Jump. Strawhats in Luffy's illustration look angry since the watermelon Luffy has eaten was what they were preparing for Watermelon Splitting.
All mangakas in Jump drew them as summer vacation diaries. (Traditionally Japanese kids are often told by teachers to write diaries in summer vacation.)!
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But why Sanji has titties?
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It takes common sense to see that the whole Chapter, no, arc has shown the relationship between Kyros and Rebecca needs to be resolved. It is obvious Luffy sees this and is on his way to make sure it is dealt with.
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Come on Oda? Baby needs a new pear of shoes?
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Maybe Bellamy forces his way in some fashion to join Law's crew because Law saved Bellamy's life. Law "took away" Bellamy's chance to die so now Law in Bellamy's eyes must take care of him. Silly but maybe a possibility. Plus he will be near his new idol with the Luffy-Law alliance.
But then why not join Luffy if he wants to be near his idol? Also, Law can just refuse Bellamy, and it wasn't Law who saved Bellamy anyway, it was Mansherry.
Really, at this point, it doesn't make sense for Bellamy to join anyone at this point besides Doula Mongo, as he himself said he is not the kind of person who changes loyalty. He also doesn't have much to offer as a character now that Doula Mongo is arrested.
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Really, at this point, it doesn't make sense for Bellamy to join anyone at this point besides Doula Mongo
The only crew I can see him joining at this point is Barto's.
Bart and Bellamy had some pretty nice interactions with each other, mainly around the whole Dellinger assassination scenario.
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I wonder if there will be a future interaction with Doffy and Bellamy where he uses his pace to entice Bellamy into freeing him, offering wealth and status in his family, even offering the heart seat to him.
If that were to happen he'd probably fall for it all over again, that's how his character is portrayed, falling for the same shit over and over.
Would be nice if he joins either Bart or Law, I prefer the latter because I'm holding out on Bart joining the crew. Law should recruit the hyena and the harpy (Monet, if she's alive) to his collection, he already has a bear
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It looks like an apron for me.
Nah. It's a corset… the Kamabakka adventure made a mark on him.
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The only crew I can see him joining at this point is Barto's.
Bart and Bellamy had some pretty nice interactions with each other, mainly around the whole Dellinger assassination scenario.
They did have nice interactions, and what Law did pretty much pales in comparison to what Barto did to Bellamy as well. Bellamy even whined about it too.
Though, considering how he talked big about his dream to join Doula Mongo and not turning his back to him, it makes more sense that he would stay a free agent (not saying this will happen, only saying that it seems to fit more with his character) instead of following anybody not named Doula Mongo.
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They don't have to be subordinates. They're allies. Think comrade'…they have a sort of kinship now. Not to mention both Usopp and Luffy saved thier butts plenty this arc!
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Bellamy needs to go be his own man and find a new dream and purpose, not follow anyone else.
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Bellamy needs to go be his own man and find a new dream and purpose, not follow anyone else.
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Bellamy's whole crew got wiped, i think hes a eternal subservient guy now. I think he will join in whatever force forms under luffy, which is gonna happen in the next couple chapters.
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But then why not join Luffy if he wants to be near his idol? Also, Law can just refuse Bellamy, and it wasn't Law who saved Bellamy anyway, it was Mansherry.
Really, at this point, it doesn't make sense for Bellamy to join anyone at this point besides Doula Mongo, as he himself said he is not the kind of person who changes loyalty. He also doesn't have much to offer as a character now that Doula Mongo is arrested.
I mean Law brought him to Mansherry to heal him. He would of still been in the palace and may have not been healed in time…though this is One Piece.
Perhaps Bellamy doesn't feel worthy to join the Strawhats(which he isn't...lol). His character will have to have some resolution. He is escaping with the Strawhats, Law, Bartolomeo, and the samurais. Is he joining the Strawhats? Hell no! Samurais? Another hell no! Does he HAVE to join anyone? No but his character to me is a broken man. He now has to find his own path but I don't know if he is mentally strong enough to find it on his own. Bartolomeo or Law could help rebuild him and he can have some sort of tab with the Strawhats joining either one of their crews.
I see what your saying about Bellamy's loyalty but he would be beyond any sort of redemption if he was STILL loyal to a guy who tried to kill him and thinks nothing kind of him. Besides...Luffy knocked some sense into him.
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I see what your saying about Bellamy's loyalty but he would be beyond any sort of redemption if he was STILL loyal to a guy who tried to kill him and thinks nothing kind of him. Besides…Luffy knocked some sense into him.
Bellamy's case is not too different from Gin's, who is still loyal to Krieg even after almost dying from MH5.
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Bellamy's case is not too different from Gin's, who is still loyal to Krieg even after almost dying from MH5.
Isn't there a difference between Gin and Bellamy's loyalty?
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Yes, there's a difference. Bellamy's loyalty comes from a misplaced admiration for a guy he thought he knew and understood while Gin, already a member of Krieg's crew, actually did know and understand Krieg very well.
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so… Bellamy rushes to the navy ship to save Doflamingo and they ride off into the sunset together?
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Isn't there a difference between Gin and Bellamy's loyalty?
That's why I said "not too different".
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Yes, there's a difference. Bellamy's loyalty comes from a misplaced admiration for a guy he thought he knew and understood while Gin, already a member of Krieg's crew, actually did know and understand Krieg very well.
Which arguably makes Gin's loyalty a worse case.
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Which arguably makes Gin's loyalty a worse case.
No Gin's loyalty is not worse it's more certain and assured, he knows all too well what sort of scumbag Krieg is and decided to accept him for what he is. Bellamy was never really afforded the opportunity to get close to Doflamingo, he was always a peripheral figure to Doffy, always on the fringes. His loyalty was blind and misplaced and that makes his case far worse than Gin's because one didn't know what they were getting themselves into and one knew all too well.
The reason why I can't see him going solo is because he's a weakling, what on earth will he do in the new world with no nakama to his name, no goals to achieve, no path to follow? He's a pirate by trade so he can't exactly do a complete U-turn and become a normal every day citizen of some random country, he's far too old to know to be anything else other than a pirate and since he's lived his life until now as a "follower" I can't see him becoming a leading figure of some new crew either (Plus, he failed at it once already and those guys are dead).. It's very clear that this character wants a place where he can belong, call home and be appreciated by his people. He's shown to go to great lengths in order to force his way into a shitty family but if someone more kind and welcoming does it in subsequent chapters I think his feelings of hopelessness will begin to slowly wash away as he finds new purpose with his new crewmates, whoever they end up being.
Edit: now that I think about it maybe the two stans Barto and Bellamy might get along quite well, they're both crazy adoring fanatics but with Doffy out of the picture maybe Barto's fanboy-ism will rub off on him.
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No Gin's loyalty is not worse it's more certain and assured, he knows all too well what sort of scumbag Krieg is and decided to accept him for what he is. Bellamy was never really afforded the opportunity to get close to Doflamingo, he was always a peripheral figure to Doffy, always on the fringes. His loyalty was blind and misplaced and that makes his case far worse than Gin's because one didn't know what they were getting themselves into and one knew all too well.
This is why I think it's arguably worse. The guy who knows well has less of an excuse than the ignorant guy when they do stuff like this.
One can be argued as being naive or innocent, whereas the other will be just called stupid and unreasonable. Loyalty is not always a good thing.
The reason why I can't see him going solo is because he's a weakling, what on earth will he do in the new world with no nakama to his name, no goals to achieve, no path to follow? He's a pirate by trade so he can't exactly do a complete U-turn and become a normal every day citizen of some random country, he's far too old to know to be anything else other than a pirate and since he's lived his life until now as a "follower" I can't see him becoming a leading figure of some new crew either (Plus, he failed at it once already and those guys are dead).. It's very clear that this character wants a place where he can belong, call home and be appreciated by his people. He's shown to go to great lengths in order to force his way into a shitty family but if someone more kind and welcoming does it in subsequent chapters I think his feelings of hopelessness will begin to slowly wash away as he finds new purpose with his new crewmates, whoever they end up being.
Edit: now that I think about it maybe the two stans Barto and Bellamy might get along quite well, they're both crazy adoring fanatics but with Doffy out of the picture maybe Barto's fanboy-ism will rub off on him.
I guess that's what cover stories are for.
Also, let's not underestimate Bellamy, ok? Dude has a 195 million bounty and decent Haki. He's not that weak.
And while I'm not sure of what will happen to Bellamy later, I don't think getting his way into any crew out there is what he's looking for. He did have a fairly prosperous homeland, but abandoned it all because of Doula Mongo. Doula is pretty much the reason why he entered the world of piracy to begin with. Doula is Bellamy's own Shanks (though not as kind).
This is why I think the following are the biggest possibilities for him:
1 - He rips off Law and starts his own tribute crew to Doula Mongo (like how Law's crew is a tribute to Rosinante).
2 - He saves some of the lower officers and goes on adventures with them, becoming Doula's "successor" of the family in a way. This can overlap with 1.
3 - Sacrifices himself for Luffy, gets arrested and goes to the slammer with Doula Mongo a la Mr. 2.
4 - Becomes Luffy's ally, but a reluctant one a la Cavendish.
