@Nex:
People, take a look at what Sabo has actually done this arc:
- Failed to beat Burgess in the Colosseum
- Ate the Flame Flame fruit
- Failed to beat Fujitora who wasn't even taking the fight serious.
Literally two of the three things he has done this arc involving failing. His track record isn't that great.
I don't think he ever planned to take down Burguess.
@Nex:
People, take a look at what Sabo has actually done this arc:
- Failed to beat Burgess in the Colosseum
- Ate the Flame Flame fruit
- Failed to beat Fujitora who wasn't even taking the fight serious.
Literally two of the three things he has done this arc involving failing. His track record isn't that great.
you people are ridiculous. last week it was, where's sabo to fight burgess, now it's, no, why is sabo fighting burgess.
1. he didn't have to beat anyone, the goal was to get the fruit, which he succeeded. +1
2. +1
3. he didn't need to beat fuji either, and sabo was fine after the fight. he helped luffy by making fuji rethink his plan. +1
he also saved luffy from the coliseum +1, saved a bunch of civilians +1, or X, and just saved luffy's life right now, +1. and i'm sure there's other little things i'm forgetting that was only beneficial.
so if you're going to try and go as far as quantifying why you and everyone else hate sabo suddenly, which is anyone's guess, you're actually at like -6.
HEAVY VOODOO-PANTHER SALVO!
you people are ridiculous. last week it was, where's sabo to fight burgess, now it's, no, why is sabo fighting burgess.
1. he didn't have to beat anyone, the goal was to get the fruit, which he succeeded. +1
2. +1
3. he didn't need to beat fuji either, and sabo was fine after the fight. he helped luffy by making fuji rethink his plan. +1he also saved luffy from the coliseum +1, saved a bunch of civilians +1, or X, and just saved luffy's life right now, +1. and i'm sure there's other little things i'm forgetting that was only beneficial.
so if you're going to try and go as far as quantifying why you and everyone else hate sabo suddenly, which is anyone's guess, you're actually at like -6.
I almost responded to what Nex he making those same points but I personally stay out of arguments here so I didn't say anything; he sure did paint a target on himself though, lol
you people are ridiculous. last week it was, where's sabo to fight burgess, now it's, no, why is sabo fighting burgess.
1. he didn't have to beat anyone, the goal was to get the fruit, which he succeeded. +1
2. +1
3. he didn't need to beat fuji either, and sabo was fine after the fight. he helped luffy by making fuji rethink his plan. +1he also saved luffy from the coliseum +1, saved a bunch of civilians +1, or X, and just saved luffy's life right now, +1. and i'm sure there's other little things i'm forgetting that was only beneficial.
so if you're going to try and go as far as quantifying why you and everyone else hate sabo suddenly, which is anyone's guess, you're actually at like -6.
We don't mind Sabo vs Burguess, we mind the fact that Oda gives way too much protection to his brand new Ace not even caring that Burguess is the 1st commander of a Yonko and make him look like a total loser with no possibilities of success.
Pretty sure Nex isn't hating Sabo, at all.
We don't mind Sabo vs Burguess, we mind the fact that Oda gives way too much protection to his brand new Ace not even caring that Burguess is the 1st commander of a Yonko and make him look like a total loser with no possibilities of success.
everyone else that just vowed to help luffy were running away. sabo had a pretty high success rate of at least stopping that one attack, which he did. it doesn't mean burgess is a pushover.
We don't mind Sabo vs Burguess, we mind the fact that Oda gives way too much protection to his brand new Ace not even caring that Burguess is the 1st commander of a Yonko and make him look like a total loser with no possibilities of success.
How strong do you think Burgess is now and how strong do you think he will get?
The guy was no match for Ace pre ts, he also plans to eat a DF, he has room to grow.
Sabo on the other hand had a draw with one of the admirals. He is likely close to the top of the world.
Likely the reason why BB pirates hunt good fruits it's because all or most will get one, and we will see how good they get from then on.
What if Burgess will eat Jozu's fruit or Marco's fruit? You want him to be on par with Sabo from now?
You are beginning to sound like Darth, Do you want Luffy that can't even move to save himself or Gatz to block Burgess attack? Did you complain when Jabura was about to kill Usopp and Sanji appear from nowhere?
It was clear Burgess will attack Luffy, It was clear who will save Luffy because that person was called many chapters ago. That person was also called again the moment Burgess jumped of the roof but yet you say he came out of nowhere. This is so unlike you Rob.
Lmao, so I'm not the only that thinks that are you poking fun at what I wrote to him earlier xD
the only problem i have with this chapter is why burgess didn't attack/kill law for his fruit.
HEAVY VOODOO-PANTHER SALVO!
It bugs me how everyone in Dressrosa seems to be faster than Usain Bolt.
Well, if everyone can get to the middle of the island that quickly, I estimate that Dressrosa is like 6-7 miles wide, maybe like 45 square miles.
Making it 1% as large is a New York City. Which is a city. Not even a state. Much less a country. Dressrosa is supposedly a country, and 1% the size of a city. Lol
the only problem i have with this chapter is why burgess didn't attack/kill law for his fruit.
He doesn't have the brains to use the fruit to its potential but to his credit he has the brains to acknowledge his lack of brains :)
Year of Sanji, let's go!
the only problem i have with this chapter is why burgess didn't attack/kill law for his fruit.
Maybe he just doesn't want it?
He's not much of a cerebral type and he'd probably be able to take a lot more out of Gomu Gomu than out of Ope Ope.
Or maybe he didn't see Law lying there.
It's really no biggie.
He doesn't have the brains to use the fruit to its potential but to his credit he has the brains to acknowledge his lack of brains :)
i thought they were "collecting abilities", but i guess that could also mean they were just stealing them to use themselves. but i was under the impression they were just stealing all the best abilities because blackbeard could eat them
HEAVY VOODOO-PANTHER SALVO!
Well, if everyone can get to the middle of the island that quickly, I estimate that Dressrosa is like 6-7 miles wide, maybe like 45 square miles.
Making it 1% as large is a New York City. Which is a city. Not even a state. Much less a country. Dressrosa is supposedly a country, and 1% the size of a city. Lol
This is actually pretty interesting, it could be the smallest country in the OP world.
i thought they were "collecting abilities", but i guess that could also mean they were just stealing them to use themselves. but i was under the impression they were just stealing all the best abilities because blackbeard could eat them
That would make Blackbeard one hell of a boring villain. I hate these guys that can use all abilities. Fact that he has 2 already is enough I think.
Anyways, I always suspected Yami Yami isn't the reason Blackbeard could have taken WB's fruit, since he took extra effort to hide what he was doing.
If Burgess does have a bag full of various fruits, then it's strange he didn't take a stab at Ope Ope, but maybe he really didn't see Law or maybe he just really wants a fruit for himself only and he really likes Luffy's fruit.
Maybe he just doesn't want it?
He's not much of a cerebral type and he'd probably be able to take a lot more out of Gomu Gomu than out of Ope Ope.
Or maybe he didn't see Law lying there.
It's really no biggie.
there is no way he isn't aware of laws location. he can watch luffy and doflamingo fighting from miles away, and also be in the palace while law and luffy are fighting doflamingo and trebol, looting the palace, probably stealing other fruits, and not be aware of it? not possible.
him wanting one fruit more than another is silly too, since he's definitely just there for fruits. he came for the mera mera. it would be awful, but he might be able to take out sabo here still.
it's kind of bs imo.
HEAVY VOODOO-PANTHER SALVO!
the only problem i have with this chapter is why burgess didn't attack/kill law for his fruit.
Well… I'm iffy on his knowledge, but does Burgess even know Law is here? I guess you could argue he saw Room from a distance. Is it common knowledge that Law's fruit can grant immortality to one person?
Regardless, it is definitely supposed to raise a red flag in our minds that Burgess is after Luffy's fruit, IMO. So it should be explained rather soon.
Strawhat has unfinished business with his captain while Law is a complete stranger. It is personal! or not ?
i don't think so, because he considered doflamingo as well.
there is no way he isn't aware of laws location. he can watch luffy and doflamingo fighting from miles away, and also be in the palace while law and luffy are fighting doflamingo and trebol, looting the palace, probably stealing other fruits, and not be aware of it? not possible.
him wanting one fruit more than another is silly too, since he's definitely just there for fruits. he came for the mera mera. it would be awful, but he might be able to take out sabo here still.
it's kind of bs imo.
It's not miles away. And Luffy and Dofla were making quite a ruckus down there, causing destruction that was probably visible from afar. Whether he used his eyesight or Haki, 2 people engaged in a huge battle are a lot easier to notice than a guy lying down peacefully.
It's not miles away. And Luffy and Dofla were making quite a ruckus down there, causing destruction that was probably visible from afar. Whether he used his eyesight or Haki, 2 people engaged in a huge battle are a lot easier to notice than a guy lying down peacefully.
everyone was in the palace at the same time. burgess was stalking. if he can suddenly track luffy and doflamingo so far away, it's not hard. if he's a yonkou commander, he can sense these things ala observation. burgess also almost lands on law and cavendish.
i'm not going to get bent out of shape about it and just go with he just didn't see law and luffy's reputation is more legendary, and possibly personal reasons. it just would have been a lot more interesting if he did go for law as well.
Well, if everyone can get to the middle of the island that quickly, I estimate that Dressrosa is like 6-7 miles wide, maybe like 45 square miles.
Making it 1% as large is a New York City. Which is a city. Not even a state. Much less a country. Dressrosa is supposedly a country, and 1% the size of a city. Lol
Yes lets compare a medieval island city state to one of the largest cities in the modern world.
you people are ridiculous. last week it was, where's sabo to fight burgess, now it's, no, why is sabo fighting burgess.
Actually, I'm not all this much bothered by Sabo vs Burgess. It is neither a surprise nor very interesting, but I can simply shrug it off. Oda wants to showcase the protective big brother, I don't enjoy it, too bad for me, end of the story. If we're lucky this may end dramatically and create more bad blood with the BlackBeard pirates, final antagonists are slowly building up either way, that's good.
On the other hand, especially now that the cage is shrinking even more, I find it increasingly difficult to stomach Fujitora's inaction. Apart from rescuing little Timmy, what exactly does he have planned that will justify sitting on a bench while the entire population is herded toward certain death? Will he keep eating ramen when the first citizens are beginning to get minced like onions ?
The worst part is that Oda seems to have written himself into a corner here:
I'll wait and see how this develops, but unless Oda brings another surprise dish to the table (have Fuji confront Burgess? Now that would be worthy of his title) it might really feel as if we would have been better off with Bastille alone
In all honesty from observation, I believe Burgess <<<<<<<<<<<< Sabo (lol)
In strength (sheer strength)
Burgess> Sabo
In Durability
Burgess >= Sabo
In speed
Burgess<sabo<br>In tactics
Burgess<<<sabo<br>In Haki
Burgess<<<sabo<br>Devil Fruit
Sabo(logia defense)> Burgess( thus far, no devil fruit Has muscle/flab as defense)
Swag
Burgess<< <sabo<br>Yeah, i said it. Sabo outclasses Burgess in pretty much everything. No wonder he gets and will get yet again, ROFLstomped.</sabo<br></sabo<br></sabo<br></sabo<br>
DD and Burgess fight Sabo, after he sees DD's df in action, Burgess falls in love with another DF, the string string no mi:ninja: and he will try to kill DD to get it.
After another fail to get a DF, Burgess gives up and leaves home in tears:ninja:. On his way home, he bumps with a DF on the ground that sticks to his leg… It's Trebol DF that got reborn after his death!:ninja:
@uniaka:
I would rate it on par with BB's evil face or Shiliew's evil face. And it's hard to stand out since all BB pirates look evil as fuc.
I can't take any of the BB pirates seriously. Only ones who actually look threatening are Shiliew and Vasco shot. Burgess on the other hand? He is all the way on the other side of the spectrum lol
I can't take any of the BB pirates seriously. Only ones who actually look threatening are Shiliew and Vasco shot. Burgess on the other hand? He is all the way on the other side of the spectrum lol
I take them very seriously 'cause they're pretty damn calculative, even though they do make miscalculations (see: against Magellan). Burgess bided his time for his opportunity to strike at a Luffy who couldn't fight back. The only reason Luffy is even alive right now is thanks to Sabo, his brother who is not about to repeat the same mistake he believes he made with Ace (not being able to protect him).
This is one of those "Akainu is coming after a vulnerable Luffy" situations. He'd be toast if not for the various allies and friends he's made.
Also, there's nothing to not take seriously about the Blackbeard Pirates, because their strength is unidentifiable at the moment (except Blackbeard who we know is monstrously powerful), due to no exposure post-timeskip, except Burgess, our enlightenment on how far they've come, which we'll soon see. They're also the crew of a Yonkou, established as the reigning emperors of this extremely volatile stretch of the sea. We have every reason to believe every one of them is very powerful or has some way to make up for a lack of power, like Doc. We just don't know how powerful, and Sabo may shed some light on that for us. Are the Blackbeards finished developing in strength or will they continue? My bet is with Oda's trends with them so far, it's the latter.
@uniaka:
The man is right about something.
Blackbears knows about DFs, he got 2 of the best DFs in the world. I would imagine BB knows about a DF that is worth 5 billions and can make you immortal. Was also said BB hunts strong DFs.
A rubber fruit is nothing special. And the fact that the main character invented the Gears to defeat strong villains, gears are not default powers of the fruit, or are easy to learn for others.
Look at Doflamingo, likely many users would never manage to do a island size birdcage with it, and be stuck with the default 5 color strings attack lol.
Gears are the direct result of the fruits powers.. wtf are you smoking? you cant compress and speed up your blood speed for gear 2 without rubber compression. As well as you cant make your bones expand without rubber, Gear 3. And you cant make your muscles expand without rubber Gear 4….... its not like walking on air or instant speed like the vice admirals use which can be used by any who try hard to learn it...
It's more of a not-at-all-medieval country than a medieval city state but yes, let's compare it, it's interesting!
The government seems to be a very basic feudal system with no lords, the culture seems like a mix between the Romans and the Renaissance.
Considering the largest cities in those times barely exceed the hundred thousand people mark, often declare themselves independent nations(city states), it seems fitting that Dressrosa is sort of like that.
He doesn't have the brains to use the fruit to its potential but to his credit he has the brains to acknowledge his lack of brains :)
That's what I thought haha right as I scroll down there it is. Burgess is like the Hulk
Did Law already make Doflamingo immortal? Dude's a beast. The guy is up and kicking after taking all that.
Who's going to stop DD for the next ten minutes? We know Burgess is going dancing with Sabo but what about Mingo?
what if the gomu gomu no mi belonged to gol d roger before Luffy , reason why Burgess want it so bad , it would be a really bad thing for the story but i'm just guessing :ninja:
it's the first time i see all that hate for Sabo maybe some people just can't accept the fact that it was predicted by many people on this forum so they respond like kids to that situation , it was clear that sabo was going to play a role when luffy tires against doffy ( you didn't want doffy down so soon ) and the fact that it was predictable do not make his entry less amazing , oda doesn't have to always surprise us for the story to be good ( see this awakening sh!t for example)
Dragon have a den den mushi zoan type , awakened , he can call anyone anywhere , call anything like clouds in rogue town , send radio waves , intercept any discussion , read other people mind , and most importantly , transform into a super awesome snail
Who's going to stop DD for the next ten minutes? We know Burgess is going dancing with Sabo but what about Mingo?
Sabo should keep his perfect little hands off Dofla.
I assume Dofla will play with gladiators a little, then mess them all up, after which SH and closer allies will be the ones to try and hold him back.
Preferably Zoro as a last line of defense. 
To see how he measures up with Sanji. :ninja:
what if the gomu gomu no mi belonged to gol d roger before Luffy , reason why Burgess want it so bad , it would be a really bad thing for the story but i'm just guessing :ninja:
it's the first time i see all that hate for Sabo maybe some people just can't accept the fact that it was predicted by many people on this forum so they respond like kids to that situation , it was clear that sabo was going to play a role when luffy tires against doffy ( you didn't want doffy down so soon ) and the fact that it was predictable do not make his entry less amazing , oda doesn't have to always surprise us for the story to be good ( see this awakening sh!t for example)
Sabo, as a character is dead and buried, the one who got resurrected is Ace.
Sabo, as a character is dead and buried, the one who got resurrected is Ace.
Only because they share the Mera Mera?
Sabo, as a character is dead and buried, the one who got resurrected is Ace.
I think Sabo is just rising from the earth having been dug in a hole, but people who don't like that he's strong and confident and capable are pushing him back into the hole before he can get up for air.
Sabo should keep his perfect little hand off Dofla.
I assume Dofla will play with gladiators a little, then mess them all up, after which SH and closer allies will be the ones to try and hold him back.
Preferably Zoro as a last line of defense.
To see how he measures up with Sanji. :ninja:
Meadows+Gamma knife
Ohh right! i forgot the other gladiators are still somewhere.
I also forgot that Meadows is Kaido :ninja:.
Please spare me of Zoro, I hope not to see him 'till the end of this arc. I'm scared Oda will make him and Mingo fight and will make even Luffy look like a wimp.
Sabo should keep his perfect little hands off Dofla.
I assume Dofla will play with gladiators a little, then mess them all up, after which SH and closer allies will be the ones to try and hold him back.
Preferably Zoro as a last line of defense.
To see how he measures up with Sanji. :ninja:
Wouldn't really count since Zoro would be going up against a half-dead Doflamingo while Sanji fought a fresh nearly 100% strength Doflamingo.
Ohh right! i forgot the other gladiators are still somewhere.
I also forgot that Meadows is Kaido :ninja:.
Please spare me of Zoro, I hope not to see him 'till the end of this arc. I'm scared Oda will make him and Mingo fight and will make even Luffy look like a wimp.
yes, never got it why Oda protects Zoro so much. Is he a sucker for badass characters too?:ninja:
Why hasn't Sabo lent a hand in getting rid of Doflamingo sooner?
I agree completely. I find his character infinitely more interesting than Burgess and having him stop the sneak attack would help further cement his place in the Straw Hat pantheon. I have no real problem with Sabo being the blocker, since it was fully telegraphed, and the Revolutionaries have been shown to be interested in the arms trade, which should include devil's fruits as well as Black Beard's magic transfer/agglomeration technique. @Monquito:
Barto would have been much cooler.
Why hasn't Sabo lent a hand in getting rid of Doflamingo sooner?
Issho and Sabo agreed that they both should be useless pieces of shit while Doula tries to kill them all for no aparent reason at all.
@uniaka:
yes, never got it why Oda protects Zoro so much. Is he a sucker for badass characters too?:ninja:
Oda protects Zoro? So why was he stomped by Enel, Lucci, Fujitora? Why was he beaten by the fodder Yeti Cool brothers, and unable to break out a cage in Fishman Island?
