Looks like they're approaching an understanding, so lets forget that it happened and stick to OP
Oda's Interviews
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Im trying to find english translation of Nikkan One Piece Shinbun 2012 interview with Oda, but have only come acrosd a french translation so far,
https://web.archive.org/web/20160316101255/https://blog.manga.tv/manga/interview/interview-eiichiro-oda-lauteur-de-one-pieceAnybody knows if it was translated to english?
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Looks like they're approaching an understanding, so lets forget that it happened and stick to OP
lolol did you read the same posts I did?
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Can someone tell me the whole history about Greg and YP?
Really interested now
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Can we not delve further into their childish forum drama in here
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Yeah! It's not gossip forum. Let them settle it by themselves.
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I am more interested to know who exactly "Greg is cute, not mean!" poster from back then. Is he/she still posting here? Why that person choose that name and avatar?:wassat:
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There's only one way to settle this.
The Thunderdome. Two men enter, one man leaves.
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I mean I had to unfollow Yonkou on twitter this week specifically because of the bullshit of "hyping" up spoilers for a chapter before the release.
You are a part of the problem.
I mean even someone like RogersBase who has a direct financial incentive TO do what you do, Yonkou, for views chooses not to and instead to follow the official release.
With you it seems like "lets get this trending on twitter and reddit days before it comes out because it will link to my accounts"
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I mean I had to unfollow Yonkou on twitter this week specifically because of the bullshit of "hyping" up spoilers for a chapter before the release.
You are a part of the problem.
I mean even someone like RogersBase who has a direct financial incentive TO do what you do, Yonkou, for views chooses not to and instead to follow the official release.
With you it seems like "lets get this trending on twitter and reddit days before it comes out because it will link to my accounts"
So redon and people are evil giving us spoilers?
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So redon and people are evil giving us spoilers?
I don't think he said anyone was evil, but that they are part of a problem, which is an exploitative spoiler and scanlation system still exists for Shonen Jump titles even as it's mostly unnecessary at this point. I still think YP and Redon are net positives for the community and providing spoilers is only a small part of what they do and wouldn't call either of them evil. I wouldn't even call providing the spoilers evil.
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So redon and people are evil giving us spoilers?
If you post the spoilers on the respective spoiler thread and not discuss it outside of it, so people don't get spoiled against their will then you are not being that one guy.
Twitter and Reddit do not have that luxury.
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If you post the spoilers on the respective spoiler thread and not discuss it outside of it, so people don't get spoiled against their will then you are not being that one guy.
Twitter and Reddit do not have that luxury.
So people are mad because in 2019 guys are using Twitter or reddit?
OK
Not that it wouldn't end there after all
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Redon isn't using a large twitter following specifically with the goal of trying to get One Piece chapters to trend on social media before they are officially released.
And what's so bad about it? Does it hurt you?
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I will never understand the piracy police and don't want to.
The "support the creatives" agenda was taken over by the same people that make sure creatives get a small piece of the pie. So I choose to pay for what I like and not to "support" anyone. If you choose to do something, why force it on others? It's very weird to push or bully people into anything. It's almost like those religious wars. People are being shamed for using scans and not wanting to feed a greedy company (that still refuses to pay creatives their worth) exactly they want them to.
It all stems from "support the creatives" in the end. People have been brainwashed to be foot soldiers for a cause that isn't what they think it is. So when people go back and forth over piracy vs paying for the mag, I shake my head. While the greedy companies make their money off you, you're policing people to pay for something and the money barely goes to the creator that you intended it for.
It happens in all forms of media where someone figures out a way to make more money over a creative's work. It's a marketing tool. So many Youtubers and their followings preach it and are ignorant of what they're saying. What is the alternative that they sell? If you don't pay for it the way that they say, the creative gets nothing at all. That is a lie. You can buy volumes individually or in bulk, while reading wherever you want. There are many ways to send the creatives support without cutting yourself off from free scans.
I seen 2 OP fans discussing something that stem from a cancerous place and hoped it didn't spread, but it did anyway
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Piracy is giving/getting free consumption of a product that wasn't meant for free consumption.
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There's still a large subset of people who aren't going to pay actual money to read something with slightly different wording slightly later. Doesn't really make it okay, even if you buy volumes or other merch when they come out, but as long as that system is in place then you're kinda preaching to chirping crickets by going on and on about subscribing. Doesn't help that some people post the differences between versions which makes it even easier for some to justify it.
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I will never understand the piracy police and don't want to.
The "support the creatives" agenda was taken over by the same people that make sure creatives get a small piece of the pie. So I choose to pay for what I like and not to "support" anyone. If you choose to do something, why force it on others? It's very weird to push or bully people into anything. It's almost like those religious wars. People are being shamed for using scans and not wanting to feed a greedy company (that still refuses to pay creatives their worth) exactly they want them to.
It all stems from "support the creatives" in the end. People have been brainwashed to be foot soldiers for a cause that isn't what they think it is. So when people go back and forth over piracy vs paying for the mag, I shake my head. While the greedy companies make their money off you, you're policing people to pay for something and the money barely goes to the creator that you intended it for.
It happens in all forms of media where someone figures out a way to make more money over a creative's work. It's a marketing tool. So many Youtubers and their followings preach it and are ignorant of what they're saying. What is the alternative that they sell? If you don't pay for it the way that they say, the creative gets nothing at all. That is a lie. You can buy volumes individually or in bulk, while reading wherever you want. There are many ways to send the creatives support without cutting yourself off from free scans.
I seen 2 OP fans discussing something that stem from a cancerous place and hoped it didn't spread, but it did anyway
Scanlators and pirate sites are getting rich by profitting from work they have no right over. Would you say that they are more 'greedy' than the company?
What is your basis for considering whether authors are getting paid enough? And how much would Shueisha need to pay their authors in order for you to not consider them 'greedy'?
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Scanlators and pirate sites are getting rich by profitting from work they have no right over. Would you say that they are more 'greedy' than the company?
What is your basis for considering whether authors are getting paid enough? And how much would Shueisha need to pay their authors in order for you to not consider them 'greedy'?
Both are taking away from the creative, my point proven. When you read up on how much of the whole that a mangaka, singer, or any creator gets compared to others, you will understand. Until the creatives get paid their fair share, everyone else can shun piracy. I'll read where I want and buy what I want.
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They are giving us official free translation, worldwide, the hour of official release now, but people still go for the bootlegs because they're a day faster. It's dumb.
Simulcasts basically fixed anime bootlegs because the official version went up faster than a team could bootleg subtitle it so there was no point, but apparently that one day on manga is still enough for scumbags to make a profit off of.
This isn't 20 years ago anymore. People are no longer putting up scans as a matter of passion to share with an audience that can't get it in any other way… they are purely doing it as a ripoff scam to make ad money.
I'd really hoped the community would embrace the same day releases but it just hasn't happened. Folks are too impatient. SO the spoiler thread goes for 30 pages, and the actual official threads go for 3. Its a bit dissapointing.
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Both are taking away from the creative, my point proven. When you read up on how much of the whole that a mangaka, singer, or any creator gets compared to others, you will understand. Until the creatives get paid their fair share, everyone else can shun piracy. I'll read where I want and buy what I want.
One is not taking away though. Even if it's less money than you think they should get,the official sites are certainly giving creatives something instead of lining the pockets of others. I can hardly comprehend how you're trying to justify it when it's free, mostly adless and timely.
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One is not taking away though. Even if it's less money than you think they should get,the official sites are certainly giving creatives something instead of lining the pockets of others. I can hardly comprehend how you're trying to justify it when it's free, mostly adless and timely.
I give it 2 decades and mangaka will get paid 3x as much as they do now. At that point, they will still not get paid their fair share of the pie. OP generates how much and Oda has made ___ from that? Toys, events, anime, manga, etc. You can defend them, but you don't understand what you're defending. They've really brainwashed people into thinking that pirates are the only ones stealing here. They've done well. People wanting to go higher up (youtubers) or even those afraid to get their forum shutdown (RIP OJ) have to promote this mess as well.
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And what's so bad about it? Does it hurt you?
It actually puts an unnecessary target on redon and other leakers. They usually stay low to avoid potential investigations that may compromise sources.
redon himself isn't evil. He just provides a rough summary and reposts pics that aren't his to begin with. The issue is at homeland, with the people tasked with taking care of the magazine distribution, and those scanlation sites that are beyond Shueisha's reach due to being hosted in countries it has no influence on.
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I give it 2 decades and mangaka will get paid 3x as much as they do now. At that point, they will still not get paid their fair share of the pie. OP generates how much and Oda has made ___ from that? Toys, events, anime, manga, etc. You can defend them, but you don't understand what you're defending. They've really brainwashed people into thinking that pirates are the only ones stealing here. They've done well. People wanting to go higher up (youtubers) or even those afraid to get their forum shutdown (RIP OJ) have to promote this mess as well.
Don't presume what I do or don't understand because we have differing conclusions. I am just of the opinion that given an official and affordable option, piracy has no place, even if the official option is flawed.
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Oh I didn't know the latest few chapters are free. That's nice, for the latest few chapters anyway. For most people, speed will always win out as long as there isn't any personal consequence to it and it's unlikely that will ever budge. Maybe if the scanlations became an ungodly level of low quality.
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Don't presume what I do or don't understand because we have differing conclusions. I am just of the opinion that given an official and affordable option, piracy has no place, even if such an option is flawed.
Anyone that can tell me right now that they have never used a site that uses these scans before, i'd have to call em a liar. What happens when Kiss, MS or JBox throw up the chapter? They get paid in some way. What happens when you subscribe to something that gives you the official chapter? How much of the subscription money goes to Oda? Once this is addressed, you'll notice how they're both stealing. Both bring attention to the work in their own ways and make money off of it.
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Both are taking away from the creative, my point proven. When you read up on how much of the whole that a mangaka, singer, or any creator gets compared to others, you will understand. Until the creatives get paid their fair share, everyone else can shun piracy. I'll read where I want and buy what I want.
You are consuming for free a product that was not intended for your free consumption.
It would be like someone stealing paper towels and giving them away and then saying it is fine because the inventor of the paper towels isn't getting paid enough or people should get free access to paper towels or wathever the reason.Maybe you agree with their reasoning maybe you don't but they are still taking actions on a product they have no claim to.
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You are consuming for free a product that was not intended for your free consumption.
It would be like someone stealing paper towels and giving them away and then saying it is fine because the inventor of the paper towels isn't getting paid enough or people should get free access to paper towels or wathever the reason.Maybe you agree with their reasoning maybe you don't but they are still taking actions on a product they have no claim to.
You can continue to play mental gymnastics. They're both stealing from mangaka and I will continue to laugh at anyone who argues that 1 is better than the other
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Anyone that can tell me right now that they have never used a site that uses these scans before, i'd have to call em a liar. What happens when Kiss, MS or JBox throw up the chapter? They get paid in some way. What happens when you subscribe to something that gives you the official chapter? How much of the subscription money goes to Oda? Once this is addressed, you'll notice how they're both stealing. Both bring attention to the work in their own ways and make money off of it.
There's a difference between making an arrangement with the concerned parties for their product and taking it away without consent.
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There's a difference between making an arrangement with the concerned parties for their product and taking it away without consent.
Making an arrangement where they agree for you to steal from them compared to not talking to them at all. How nice of them. Just waiting for the right 3rd party to come along and advocate for a more fair share, honestly. It's gonna come and it's gonna take a long time. A lot of mangaka are just happy for their manga to be serialized. Imagine speaking up on fair pay? Oh God lol
Many of the fans are gonna have to pick a side after awkwardly fighting for the greedy company for so long. This will be hilarious.
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You can continue to play mental gymnastics. They're both stealing from mangaka and I will continue to laugh at anyone who argues that 1 is better than the other
You are speaking as if Oda is conjuring chapters every week all by himself.
The One Piece chapters we are enjoying every week is not the work of Oda alone, but also his assistants, the editorial staff, the graphic designers, the marketing team, the printing company, the distributors etc etc. All of whom also needs to be paid.
Are all those people part of the "greedy company" and therefore, by your logic, do not deserve your support?
I mean, at least "I read scans because it comes out early" or "I read scans because I don't want to pay" are reasons I can comprehend. You don't have to agree with them but you can see why they are valid reasons for some people.
Your "I read scans because I hate greedy companies stealing from mangaka, so I'm supporting another group of greedy people who are also stealing from mangaka" is just an attempt to justify something you know isn't right, but you just want to feel right when doing it.
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I'd really hoped the community would embrace the same day releases but it just hasn't happened. Folks are too impatient. SO the spoiler thread goes for 30 pages, and the actual official threads go for 3. Its a bit dissapointing.
People only eager to read and post, because they haven't read the chapter, once they read it, they will stop discussing it, unless the chapter trigger their curiosity
that is just my little observation through the community here
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You are speaking as if Oda is conjuring chapters every week all by himself.
The One Piece chapters we are enjoying every week is not the work of Oda alone, but also his assistants, the editorial staff, the graphic designers, the marketing team, the printing company, the distributors etc etc. All of whom also needs to be paid.
Are all those people part of the "greedy company" and therefore, by your logic, do not deserve your support?
I mean, at least "I read scans because it comes out early" or "I read scans because I don't want to pay" are reasons I can comprehend. You don't have to agree with them but you can see why they are valid reasons for some people.
Your "I read scans because I hate greedy companies stealing from mangaka, so I'm supporting another group of greedy people who are also stealing from mangaka" is just an attempt to justify something you know isn't right, but you just want to feel right when doing it.
Wrong. I buy volumes and read scans whenever I want. I don't support. If clicking on a page or buying a volume is support, then that is not my intention. That is charity. Not gonna shame the pure soul that cares for the marketing team and the resources that they use or anyone that wants to throw up some spoilers.
I've said that both are stealing multiple times, but you twist into justifying it. This brainwashing is deep. They really got yall.
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Making an arrangement where they agree for you to steal from them compared to not talking to them at all. How nice of them. Just waiting for the right 3rd party to come along and advocate for a more fair share, honestly. It's gonna come and it's gonna take a long time. A lot of mangaka are just happy for their manga to be serialized. Imagine speaking up on fair pay? Oh God lol
Many of the fans are gonna have to pick a side after awkwardly fighting for the greedy company for so long. This will be hilarious.
No one but you is going to have trouble with this at all. The only fans who will be mad will be the ones not willing to pay a few bucks a month to access manga when it's all online first. I, and I'm sure most posters here, agree that the way most manga magazines operate is pretty antiquated, but I don't think it's even an argument whether stealing is worse than underpaying.
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Wrong. I buy volumes and read scans whenever I want. I don't support. If clicking on a page or buying a volume is support, then that is not my intention. That is charity. Not gonna shame the pure soul that cares for the marketing team and the resources that they use or anyone that wants to throw up some spoilers.
I've said that both are stealing multiple times, but you twist into justifying it. This brainwashing is deep. They really got yall.
The sign of a lazy thinker in 2019 is thinking that everyone who disagrees with them is brainwashed.
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No one but you is going to have trouble with this at all. The only fans who will be mad will be the ones not willing to pay a few bucks a month to access manga when it's all online first. I, and I'm sure most posters here, agree that the way most manga magazines operate is pretty antiquated, but I don't think it's even an argument whether stealing is worse than underpaying.
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The sign of a lazy thinker in 2019 is thinking that everyone who disagrees with them is brainwashed.
If they can convince gullible people that they are supporting a mangaka in an antiquated way, then it'll be easy to say "look they're not paying them fairly". So, you're saying that the company not paying fairly is better than fighting for fair pay? Oh God, this is hilarious.
Thinking that a scan site is different from someone that arranged the stealing isn't what you looked up. Someone fed you the dream that they are different and that is why it is brainwashing. That's why you have yet to provide the splits. All you need to know is what they've convinced you of and you're spewing their talking points with passion. That is brainwashing
Update: A lazy thinker uses others to say that their point is valid, instead of standing on their square no matter who agrees or disagrees. Just a jewel. Confidence and self esteem is key. Think for yourself and don't look to majority opinion for validation.
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If they can convince gullible people that they are supporting a mangaka in an antiquated way, then it'll be easy to say "look they're not paying them fairly". So, you're saying that the company not paying fairly is better than fighting for fair pay? Oh God, this is hilarious.
Thinking that a scan site is different from someone that arranged the stealing isn't what you looked up. Someone fed you the dream that they are different and that is why it is brainwashing. That's why you have yet to provide the splits. All you need to know is what they've convinced you of and you're spewing their talking points with passion. That is brainwashing
This argument was never about you fighting for fair pay, it was you equating stealing to underpaying. It's not difficult for anyone but you to understand that theft is morally worse than underpaying and that they are different things. You also don't seem to understand economics in general, which has been hilarious to watch.
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This argument was never about you fighting for fair pay, it was you equating stealing to underpaying. It's not difficult for anyone but you to understand that theft is morally worse than underpaying and that they are different things. You also don't seem to understand economics in general, which has been hilarious to watch.
Someone acknowledges the stealing on both sides, but still sees them as different lol. You're getting there. Just a little more thought
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Someone acknowledges the stealing on both sides, but still sees them as different lol. You're getting there. Just a little more thought
Nope. What Shueisha is doing isn't theft, by definition. If you need to use the term for your emotional appeals, be aware that they don't affect me lol.
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Nope. What Shueisha is doing isn't theft, by definition. If you need to use the term for your emotional appeals, be aware that they don't affect me lol.
I'm not policing or shaming anyone for paying for scan sites or Jump. Just saying they're the same. Piracy police like you are the ones who are stuck with trying to write persuasion essays. You have a rough job that affects no one
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I'm not policing or shaming anyone for paying for scan sites or Jump. Just saying they're the same. Piracy police like you are the ones who are stuck with trying to write persuasion essays. You have a rough job that affects no one
They aren't the same, no matter how much you want to make them out to be. I've been repeating myself, to be honest, so it hasn't been that rough. Nowhere near as rough as trying to brainwash people to think that not stealing is stealing.
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Making an arrangement where they agree for you to steal from them compared to not talking to them at all. How nice of them.Just waiting for the right 3rd party to come along and advocate for a more fair share, honestly. It's gonna come and it's gonna take a long time. A lot of mangaka are just happy for their manga to be serialized. Imagine speaking up on fair pay? Oh God lol
There's an arrangement for them to manifacture and distribute the product in exchange for parts of the profits. Something the current owner(s) can agree or refuse and even possibly amend. With piracy distribution of the product is done without any consent from the owner(s).
A pirate can give away Oda's product without his consent. A publisher give away Oda's product based on what they have agreed with Oda. In one case the owner choose what he wants to do with his product. In the other the pirate choose what to do with the owner's product.
Now you can say there should be be better agreements or a bigger say. But it is not the same as not having no agreement and no say at all. And more importantly it's not someone else
Many of the fans are gonna have to pick a side after awkwardly fighting for the greedy company for so long. This will be hilarious.
I think you are overestimating how much the readers care about behind the scenes. When I bought Angels and demons it was because I wanted to read something I found interesting not because I think the company pays Dan Brown well. I have no idea if he does or who publishes his book and same goes for most people.
Their interest is in getting the product not arbitrating what the shares of the different parties are or should be. I have read both scans and official product with no regards who it profits.
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They aren't the same, no matter how much you want to make them out to be. I've been repeating myself, to be honest, so it hasn't been that rough. Nowhere near as rough as trying to brainwash people to think that not stealing is stealing.
There's an arrangement for them to manifacture and distribute the product in exchange for parts of the profits. Something the current owner(s) can agree or refuse and even possibly amend. With piracy distribution of the product is done without any consent from the owner(s).
A pirate can give away Oda's product without his consent. A publisher give away Oda's product based on what they have agreed with Oda. In one case the owner choose what he wants to do with his product. In the other the pirate choose what to do with the owner's product.
Now you can say there should be be better agreements or a bigger say. But it is not the same as not having no agreement and no say at all. And more importantly it's not someone else
I think you are overestimating how much the readers care about behind the scenes. When I bought Angels and demons it was because I wanted to read something I found interesting not because I think the company pays Dan Brown well. I have no idea if he does or who publishes his book and same goes for most people.
Their interest is in getting the product not arbitrating what the shares of the different parties are or should be. I have read both scans and official product with no regards who it profits.
Since we're going over definitions.
Underpay - pay less than is due
What is due? I really hope they are paying what is due. Where is the money that is due going? Can editors and assistants not get paid while the mangaka gets paid fairly? "It's impossible because they convinced me it isn't possible" lol.
The people you guys chose to "support" stole in a nicer way. They're are the same.
This whole "support the creatives" marketing ploy is based on behind the scenes. If you didn't care, there would be no issue with either of the thieves.
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not because I think the company pays Dan Brown well. I have no idea if he does or who publishes his book and same goes for most people.
Generally an author gets 3$ per hardcover sold, and 1$ per paperback, and digital copies somewhere inbetween depending on the storefront. This may vary with huge names like Steven King, but thats the general standard.
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The people you guys chose to "support" stole in a nicer way. They're are the same.
Imagine a chair in a store. Janice steals that chair and sells it or give it as a gift.
Maybe that store has shitty practice. Maybe Janice gave the chair to a struggling mother. I would still stay Janice stole the chair and the store didn't. And that Janice and the store are not the same. One went through the proper channel to get the chair and the right to use it as they see fit, the other didn't.
I don't know if you are using the term stealing as an hyperbole or not If not I strongly disagree with it. You have to take something without consent to steal something.
This whole "support the creatives" marketing ploy is based on behind the scenes.
Procuring/Selling/distributing products you don't own don't have to do with creatives. It would be the same if someone took a chair from a factory without any right legal right to do so.
If you didn't care, there would be no issue with either of the thieves.
I was talking in general not me personally. I meant most people that buy a chair or a juice or a book don't ponder the distribution of the money they pay. So them suddenly considering themselves monsters because now authors gets 30% more of the profits seems pretty unlikely. They'll just continue their lives since they never took a stance to begin with an most likely don't even know the details.
If you talking me personally I've read plenty of scans. They are convenient. Doesn't mean I don't know they are doing something illegal and that they don't have the right to do. Same way I have pissed in a street corner before when there wasn't an open bathroom close to me. It was convenient. Doesn't mean I don't know I was doing something illegal and don't have the right to do.
We clearly disagree on what a thief is. Equating a legitimate business to an illegal act is not something we are going to agree on.
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Generally an author gets 3$ per hardcover sold, and 1$ per paperback, and digital copies somewhere inbetween depending on the storefront. This may vary with huge names like Steven King, but thats the general standard.
That's probably better than I was expecting. I expected incrementing pay more than a share in every book in terms of industry standard.
Also I wasn't expecting a respond on that so thanks for the surprising bit of trivia.
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That's probably better than I was expecting. I expected incrementing pay more than a share in every book in terms of industry standard.
Also I wasn't expecting a respond on that so thanks for the surprising bit of trivia.
There's also up front payments that depending on the publisher and expected sales can be quite large that justify the years spent crafting a book. Obviously a book that sells a million is going to pay the author better than one that sells 100. But the after-payments work out like that.
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Is this Cockycent idiot really arguing that piracy is the same as shueisha selling the manga? Scansites fill their pockets giving absolutely nothing to creators. Must be following the Digibro holy church.
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Man I can get behind some good anticap talk. Big corporations are cancer, monopolies should be broken up and almost no one below executive level in any industry is getting paid what they deserve while the executives rake in far too much. Fuck the system and all that. But our friend Cockycent has to be jumping through a mental hoops to make it seem like going with the guys who will underpay Oda is worse than going with the guys who won't pay him at all. I get it, Shueisha is big enough and old enough that there's 0% chance they haven't gone some shady business shit or backed some odious people that you wouldn't want any fraction of your money supporting. And Oda's plainly rich enough he doesn't need the small bits of money that reach him from a Viz subscription or a MangaPlus ad. This isn't some indie bit of work that will die if not paid for, I get that.
And I get that there's no ethical consumption under capitalism, but there's also no way to avoid consuming all together. You support what you want to see more of, making peace with the fact that not every cent can go straight to the people directly responsible for it, and speak up about changes you want to see when you can. It's not that huge a moral compromise to buy a comic you like from a publisher you don't. You can do far worse.
I think Cockycent's heart is in the right place talking about being mindful about corporations underpaying creators and weaponising creator loyalty as a way to keep people buying, buuuuuuut somehow I get the impression from the "underpay vs no pay" gymnastics that for One Piece, it's more just about reading it sooner. MangaPlus costs the same as Jaimini's Box with even less transparency about where their ad revenue is going.
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All these posts speculating about business models
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Is this Cockycent idiot really arguing that piracy is the same as shueisha selling the manga? Scansites fill their pockets giving absolutely nothing to creators. Must be following the Digibro holy church.
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