They'll have to talk about the Yonkou if even only to discuss how abolishing the Shichibukai will effect the balance of power.
Same thought process ran through my mind too.
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The Lev Ely Discussion Thread
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@S.C.:
I'd imagine so. It would logically seem that Paramecias and Logias turn the environment into what their powers are while Zoans awaken their inner animal, akin to the Demon Guards.
Paramecias don't even work the same way. You have guys like DD that can produce strings, but he doesn't transform himself in strings. Then you have paramecias like luffy that turn their body into rubber, but he doesn't produce rubber.
DD's awakening is like the advanced version of what he can already do.
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Just woke up and going to work. Somebody please remind me in how many manga days the reverie takes place. Also i think we are currently on the day for big mom's tea party right?
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Just woke up and going to work. Somebody please remind me in how many manga days the reverie takes place. Also i think we are currently on the day for big mom's tea party right?
This, due to translations I don't know how many days have passed since FI. It was like 1 day from PH to Dressrosa and now more days have passed but I'm unsure if it's one or three or more. As for the reverie, it's going to make a lot of the past encounters the SH have had with royalty make more since, hell it make my Shirahoshi and Rebecca valuable as characters.
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If we got to a week since sailing off shabody, it's a lot. We don't know how much was the way down or the way up, but we do know that from punk hazzard to dressrosa was a day, and 3 days happened.
If we calculate the time from alabasta to marijoa, then we can calculate how much time vivi has to get there.
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Just woke up and going to work. Somebody please remind me in how many manga days the reverie takes place. Also i think we are currently on the day for big mom's tea party right?
The guys that stayed at Dressrosa already missed it. Curlybrows could possibly have made it though.
Edit: Actually, you are right. Tamago said 4 days from now on, not 4 days counting this day on the day Straw Hats left Fishman Island. They can still make it. -
One day for punk hazard, one day for Dresserossa, and three full days to Fujitora not pursuing them, with today now being the fifth day on Dresserosa.
The main strawhats have missed the tea party… which may be part of why "fate" gave them a free pass with Fujitora until this particular day.
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If we got to a week since sailing off shabody, it's a lot. We don't know how much was the way down or the way up, but we do know that from punk hazzard to dressrosa was a day, and 3 days happened.
If we calculate the time from alabasta to marijoa, then we can calculate how much time vivi has to get there.
We can do a rough estimation. After all, we know when Doflamingo was in Mariejois for the Shichibukai meeting, and we do know that he arrived at Jaya sometime later. Jaya is not far from Arabasta. If it took Doflamingo say… 3 days to reach Jaya from Arabasta by himself, let's say it would take a royal ship that sails straight to Mariejois a whole week for example.
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I really want a source on this base. I'm pretty sure they just showed up in Luffy's hometown from time to time.
The very first page of the series states it. They were there for an entire year, going on small voyages and then returning to Foosha for resting.
Also, I like how you forget that the Emperors are an important part of the balance of three powers, which is the whole reason why people even defend the existence of the Warlord system in the first place.
You literally can't discuss Warlords without discussing Emperors.
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Also, crocs voyage from alabasta to impel down
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These are people conquering territory, massively opposing the government and order, with huge potential to spread out and cause more damage and create fleets of their own, now that one of them is a more unknown quantity that hasn't settled into a comfort zone. Throw in supernovas mixing it up and creating news on a daily basis and trying to topple and shake up that old order?
I really like the irony that the only country leader we've seen being foolishly enough to downplay these kind of foreign policy factors is this guy…
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@Miss:
Oooh yeah. I forgot this was a thing. The stupid haki power level stuff wasn't enough, now devil fruits get "awakened", too. Fun.
Well what would Luffy's "awakened" devil fruit consist of? Turning buildings into rubber?
Well he will be fighting a guy who can destroy islands with earthquakes. Being able to turn his surroundings into rubber could minimize casualties and distraction.
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The consensus is that Shanks was a yonkou 12 years ago?
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The consensus is that Shanks was a yonkou 12 years ago?
The warlords have been a thing for at least 12 years (since Arlong leaving to terrorize Nami was a result of Jinbe becoming one) and Whitebeard at least had been active since Roger was around, and considered Shanks one of the standouts of the time (along with Mihawk), so its safe to assume the desired balance had been an issue for at least a little while by that point.
We don't know the specifics, were there always seven warlords? Was the roster consistently the first 7 we knew? (Hancock would have been 19 at the time, but given what Luffy is doing at a similar age…) Were the recruited at roughly the same time? Was that title around while there was a pirate king, or did that only become a thing after Roger's death? Were there always considered to be 4 emporers or was that just something they attributed to WHitebeard originally? How long have Kaidou and Big Mom been active? At what point exactly in the last two years did they decide Blackbeard had done enough to be considered one?
We don't know the exact specifics, but Shanks was definitely a known figure, had his crew assembled, and was well on his way by that point. If he wasnt an Emporer yet, he was only a year or two away from it "officially", though he must have already been pretty big news.
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The warlords have been a thing for at least 12 years (since Arlong leaving to terrorize Nami was a result of Jinbe becoming one) and Whitebeard at least had been active since Roger was around, and considered Shanks one of the standouts of the time (along with Mihawk), so its safe to assume the desired balance had been an issue for at least a little while by that point.
We don't know the specifics, were there always seven warlords? Was the roster consistently the first 7 we knew? (Hancock would have been 19 at the time, but given what Luffy is doing at a similar age…) Were the recruited at roughly the same time? Was that title around while there was a pirate king, or did that only become a thing after Roger's death? Were there always considered to be 4 emporers or was that just something they attributed to WHitebeard originally? How long have Kaidou and Big Mom been active? At what point exactly in the last two years did they decide Blackbeard had done enough to be considered one?
We don't know the exact specifics, but Shanks was definitely a known figure, had his crew assembled, and was well on his way by that point. If he wasnt an Emporer yet, he was only a year or two away from it "officially", though he must have already been pretty big news.
I think it was said Hancock was enslaved when she was 12, then spent four years as a slave, then about a year with Nyon before becoming empress then became a warlord that same year, and she was 29 at the start of the series, so she may be one of the on the originals if the Warlords started about a decade or so at the start.
I do wonder who got the spot Ace was offered, though. Jinbei, Hancock, Crocodile, Moriah and Doflamingo couldn't be it, maybe Kuma or Mihawk?
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From how much of a fuse there is whenever a yonko move and their constant struggle I never consider it possible for Shanks to have been one 12 years ago. To me he was an upcoming star like Luffy currently or Ace before.
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Well Luffy is already a legend and so was Ace and both of them were/are attracting considerable attention from the Marines and other pirates. Shanks was able to move freely around the East Blue, the most peaceful ocean, for almost a year seemingly without many problems. This is especially strange since like Cannon and Robby have said he was using Foosha village as a base of operations during his time there so the Marines should have been aware of where he was stationed and the Marines take pride in the East Blue being relatively free of dangerous pirates. Compounding this is that WB said everyone was surprised when he came back from the East Blue missing an arm which means he must have already been quite a big name while he was in the East Blue.
When you put all of it together it doesn't really make much sense. It's possible Oda didn't have an idea of how important he wanted Shanks to end up being when he wrote the first chapter. Regardless I think it's safe to say he wasn't a Yonkou when he was in the East Blue. How close he was to being one is up to anyone's imagination.
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I meant a rookie with a bright future ahead. Not Ace as he died or current Luffy.
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I meant a rookie with a bright future ahead. Not Ace as he died or current Luffy.
lol ace died what a riot can't be successful when you're dead
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i miss Ace
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If Whitebeard and Mihawk commented his arm loss, it means that he was quite of an important pirate, even more than current Luffy, imo.
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Crocodile was made a Warlord over 16 years ago, Hancock 13 years ago, Moriah at least 12 years ago, Jinbe 11 years ago, Doflamingo 10 years ago, and either Kuma or Mihawk 5 years ago. So Crocodile, Moriah, and Kuma or Mihawk are really the only ones who could have been original members, and there may have been a whole generation before him for all we know.
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Are those numbers set to the timeskip or the start of the series?
When did Ace's offer was made? He set out to sail 3 years before Luffy, and according to the wiki formed the spade pirates a year latter, I'll check chapter 552 and 589 later to check, those are the flashback where ace fights whitebeard and jimbe, and the one where he sets sail. So, there was an oppening 4 years ago from the "now".
We don't have any indication of when did Mihawk could have joined, but we know that Kuma was a revolutionary agent during the Three Brothers flashback so it was around 12 years ago from the reunion at shabody. Kuma was considered a pirate, and should be unconnected with the revolutionaries as far as the goverment is concerned, so he'd need at least another couple of years to make a name for himself, specialy with that high of a bounty, contrary to Hancock and Crocodile who were invited while not very infamous.
If the institution was called "seven warlords" (should be privateers, that's why I usualy use shichibukai, the emperors are the actual warlords, they are just paid thugs) from the begining, and we supose that the kind of incidents that we see today are the exception, and dispossing as with Moriah are the rule, when a stronger pirate shows up, and can be reasoned with, just dispose the other one in an "accident" or a "muttiny" with the CP0 or CP9.
Damnit, I started to ramble, but I like what I wrote. Only facts in this: Ace's offer was made less than 5 years ago, Kuma wasn't in it 12 years ago.
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Current timeline, so Croc was one at least 14 years before Luffy beat him and 16 years currently.
I have no idea where they got the Spade Pirates being formed one year after Ace departs. The chapter shows just a mashup of events starting at "5 years later." Could be less by a year or two, but it's 5 at the most.
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The shichibukai system should have been created as a direct effect of the pirate age.
The masses of new pirates that were roaming the seas forced the WG to create it, to balance the new now developing system.
The marine might not have been that armee-like system we´re now presented.
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That's the most likely answer, specialy how they are positioned, and note that if Croc was made one 16 years ago, then it's divisible by 4, a reverie year.
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Am I the only one seeing the insanity that Luffy has caused being discussed there? What's funniest about it, is how many allies he'd have within the meeting as well!
Kings allied to Luffy- Dalton, Cobra, Riku, Ivancov (though he's revolutionary army so..uhm…dunno how he's royalty), Neptune, Elizabello II.
That's a lot of Luffy supporters among royalty.
Then there's people who hate him, such as Wapol who gained a new country of his own, didn't he? (I'm not 100% sure I remember). And of course the World Nobles remember him PLENTY I'm sure lol
The meeting ITSELF might be insanity lol
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We already have a Reverie thread.
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Oh without a doubt the Straw Hats are going to be heavy topic. We'll probably have certain groups downplaying their antics just slightly while Wapol of the Evil Drum Kingdom(or Dark Drum Kingdom?) just may want some world wide policy that alerts admirals if the Straw Hats arrive on any allied island.
What's going to be most fascinating to me is having characters like Vivi and Dalton meet up with the Neptunes, Elizabelo and Riku.
Two points that I know I'm in the minority over are about the Reverie taking place long before the crew aquires One Piece and that the Straw Hats will get directly involved. I know time moves super slowly in the One Piece world and 1 month for th crew now could be 1000 chapters but with Fishman island constantly bringing it up, Vivi preparing for it and then the mention at Dressrosa it just seems like it's coming sooner rather than later. I feel like with the Straw Hats there that will tie in to the full conclusion of Fishman Island.
I think there is a big thread for this somewhere by the way.
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We already have a Reverie thread.
Sorry, I didn't know. I'm fine with mods merging the thread then.
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hmm maybe all the kingdom that SH help will become like the "United Nation founder" or something at the end of the series (replacing WG)
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I feel that by the time the reverie comes around Luffy would have already defeated or Allied with all the Warlords. So disbanding the system wouldn't change a whole lot for us the readers.
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Oda has been teasing the Reverie since Alabasta. That was nearly 15 years ago. I hope it lives up to all our imaginations. And I think it won't get its own arc. I think this will be a series of inbetween chapters between some major arcs showing the Reverie in the point of view of Vivi. She has been shown so often to be an honorary Straw Hat and reappears more or less regularly (mostly for reaction shots). I just feel it's her time to shine to help the Crew.
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Just waiting for this event to take place.
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Oda has been teasing the Reverie since Alabasta. That was nearly 15 years ago. I hope it lives up to all our imaginations. And I think it won't get its own arc. I think this will be a series of inbetween chapters between some major arcs showing the Reverie in the point of view of Vivi. She has been shown so often to be an honorary Straw Hat and reappears more or less regularly (mostly for reaction shots). I just feel it's her time to shine to help the Crew.
And that's how fans get themselves all hyped up for no reason.
He wasn't teasing anything. He only mentioned it a couple of times, that's it. It's only recently that he began putting importance in the event.
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Oda has been teasing the Reverie since Alabasta. That was nearly 15 years ago. I hope it lives up to all our imaginations. And I think it won't get its own arc. I think this will be a series of inbetween chapters between some major arcs showing the Reverie in the point of view of Vivi. She has been shown so often to be an honorary Straw Hat and reappears more or less regularly (mostly for reaction shots). I just feel it's her time to shine to help the Crew.
No he didn't.
He showed a meeting of world leaders, and a very small two minute scene with Vivi. It was jus tworld leaders we already knew, from a tiny part of the grand line. Not a big deal.
We didn't get a name for it, that it was a regular thing, or a "new one is coming soon" until Fishman Island… and that was as resolution to the FI arc, and it might have never come up in the series again until the epilogue. It wasn't mentioned again until this week when Riku brought it up.
Two mentions in three years, and a vague cameo with no context from a decade earlier is not "hyping up." It's like saying he was hyping Vivre cards when Ace gave one to Luffy, even though it had no explanation or plot relevance till a decade later. Or that we should have been expecting to see Jinbe right after Arlong. Or we just shold have known the Rumbaa pirates would return 10 years later after the standalone Laboon story.
There's a difference between world building, growing what came before, and actively hyping an upcoming event.
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Even if the Reverie isn't some major cool event like everyone is hoping, its still neat that he planted the idea of the Reverie so long ago. He's so good about that sort of thing, and I love it.
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No he didn't.
He showed a meeting of world leaders, and a very small two minute scene with Vivi. It was jus tworld leaders we already knew, from a tiny part of the grand line. Not a big deal.
We didn't get a name for it, that it was a regular thing, or a "new one is coming soon" until Fishman Island… and that was as resolution to the FI arc, and it might have never come up in the series again until the epilogue. It wasn't mentioned again until this week when Riku brought it up.
Two mentions in three years, and a vague cameo with no context from a decade earlier is not "hyping up." It's like saying he was hyping Vivre cards when Ace gave one to Luffy, even though it had no explanation or plot relevance till a decade later. Or that we should have been expecting to see Jinbe right after Arlong. Or we just shold have known the Rumbaa pirates would return 10 years later after the standalone Laboon story.
There's a difference between world building, growing what came before, and actively hyping an upcoming event.
You're right that fuzi11 was exaggerating with the hyping up since 15 years ago, but you're also exaggerating the not hyping. Since the Fishman Island flashback, Oda has been throwing Reverie references at our faces regularly. The flashback, the FI resolution, the cover story with Vivi, Pell and Chaka preparing for the Reverie, Fujitora mentioning it to Doffy in the middle of Dressrosa, now Riku saying it's going to be soon… it has been a constant factor in the story since FI, that can't be denied. It wasn't just 2 mentions in 3 years, it's more than that. Still, it's something that's been happening only since the timeskip, and saying that Oda has been hyping it for over a decade and it better live up to it is just plain dumb.
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Nah, that was a Reverie, and it just only highlighted on the World Leaders we already knew. The Reveries takes place every 4 years and at the time, that event occurred 6 years ago,when Vivi was 10. 2 years later were about to have another Reverie; another meeting of World Leaders.
You're making it sound as if World Leaders decide to bother each other to say "Hey, let's all come together and discuss our problems." It's a planned quadrennial meeting.
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The reviere might be just days away. It will better If it is handle now rather than later due to what's about to happen in the New World!
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my 2 cent are still on the reverie arc being just after wano,where kaidou will attack the reverie to get shirahoshi..mainly for 2 reasons
1)the fact that caribou is not on kaidou's hands
2)the fact that the reverie takes place at marijoa,and we still are relatively pretty close to the red line…if the strawhats continue their journey much further it would be impossible toput them in the picture..an i don't think the reverie would just "happen" without something major happening too (beside fuji's probable speech) -
Sanji as a long lost prince of a certain kingdom and be present at the Reverie, that looks way too important for none of the SHs to be there? I'll go with it.
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2)the fact that the reverie takes place at marijoa,and we still are relatively pretty close to the red line…if the strawhats continue their journey much further it would be impossible toput them in the picture..an i don't think the reverie would just "happen" without something major happening too (beside fuji's probable speech)
They're probably going to be backtracking after Raftel and learning the true history to start a world war. So they can do it then. Along with Luffy destroying Fishman Island as prophesied.
What better time to have an assemblage of every royal that owes the strawhats, or has been pissed off by them, than the grand finale of the series when the SHichibukai are being disbanded and the yonkou are falling? All of which will be in the next few weeks or months in-story?
For the Reverie to be before any of that, would be to assemble all those world leaders to just… talk. Rather than have any active participation or effect on the world shaking events that are coming. ANd that would be pointless, storywise.
Its simply going to be quite a few years before we get it as readers.
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I think Weeble is the worst possible choise for a Shichi with all this destruction that he cause and propably he will be tha last brick to the wall
I think Luffy will have a fight with him but with no winner. Propably he will make him an ally after showing how his "mother" manipulates him and he will be with them againt Kaido and/or final war
Weeble is a strong one so he can help Luffy on training before a Yonko and I think Weeble is also from the same race as Oars family and propably Kaido
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Reverie is coming! Reverie is coming!
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Make that 3 or 4. It is going to be after kaido goes down.
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The way i see it, this meeting is the perfect place for Akainu to make his move and become the supreme leader of the WG. yes I think it'll be after Kaido/Big Mom are taken down, at which point the new world will be empty and far weaker. Without these two threats the marines can go deeper into the new world and take control of most of it. Akainu, with so much power will stop listening to the 5 elder stars and either cause an incident at reverie to make it seem like he needs total control of the wg or take it by force. Then you have your second to final villain. A power mad Akainu with the entire world as his military force vs Luffy + all his allies (including shanks probably) and the revolutionaries.
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The way i see it, this meeting is the perfect place for Akainu to make his move and become the supreme leader of the WG. yes I think it'll be after Kaido/Big Mom are taken down, at which point the new world will be empty and far weaker. Without these two threats the marines can go deeper into the new world and take control of most of it. Akainu, with so much power will stop listening to the 5 elder stars and either cause an incident at reverie to make it seem like he needs total control of the wg or take it by force. Then you have your second to final villain. A power mad Akainu with the entire world as his military force vs Luffy + all his allies (including shanks probably) and the revolutionaries.
Akainu seems to be more of a person who follows a set a laws rigorously rather than the one who makes his own laws.
I think we will see preparation of Reverie time to time in upcoming arcs while the meeting will begin during the end of Wano arc.Luffy taking down Kaido will be a hot topic there.
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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The Reverie! Hip hip hooray!
Things to expect:
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Vivi! Her role in the arc trying to keep the Wapols of the world in line along with a very heart warming reunion between her and the Straw Hats. Probably more mushy and teary eyed in way that many of us expected the 2 year reunion to be like. If Celestial Dragons are present we should expect some dialogue between them and the Nefartari family as well.
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Fujitora & War lords! This is gonna be good! Fuji will have so much to say and you can bet that the kingdoms of Alabasta and Dressrosa will be backing him extremely hard. I severely doubt it but what if the Neptunes were opposed to the idea of abolishing the War Lord system because of it being a positive mark in their history? Then again with Jinbe out they probably aren't expecting any new fish men or mermaid pirates to rise that high anyway.
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Fishman Island Migration! Like the Reverie, I know most people argue this is something that will come into play post Raftel but at the very least this will be a hot topic of discussion.
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Kaidou's Fall! By this point the new world will be all up in arms about the recent fall of Kaidou.
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Revolutionaries! Dragon was a topic of interest I think 2 Reverie's ago so of course now that he's grown tremendously since then he will be one of the main discussions. As good guys, I don't think we are going to see the Revolutionaries in tip top shape during the next visit. The Black Beards will probably do a number on them, enough that the idea of the Marines being sent out to finish them off may come up.
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The Straw Hats! They will be one of the biggest discussions for sure. Guys like Wapol will try to F ship up but then you'll have Vivi, Riku, Dalton, Ice Berg, Neptune Bros, Elizabelo and mysterious toy king sticking up for the Straw Hats in a way that doesn't make them come off as outright allies. There will probably be lengthy and heated discussions about why or why not all attention should be directed towards destroying the Straw Hats. Expect this to be the first time we see the political world take a decisive stand on the issue of the Straw Hats and watch how they get separated right down the middle, foreshadowing the great war after One Piece is found and the lost history is known.
I actually think Jinbe, Sanji and Robin will be big points to address during the discussions.
- Fisher Tiger's flash back! We were only told about Tiger's attack on Mariejois on 2 separate occasions. There will be no better time to tell the tale than from someone who was there and actually witnessed the events! Probably a bitter old Celestial Dragon.
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I'm curious how they will incorporate the Reverie going forward. It seems tailor-made for the in-between arc stuff where we see what's going on around the world. Obviously since Vivi's just leaving now it should take a while to get to the New World even with an eternal pose. I think waiting till after Wano for it to start is too long, though. We don't know how long the Sanji Wedding Story will take in-universe, but I think whenever that is resolved, they should show the beginning of the Reverie, establishing all the big players arriving and get the ball rolling a bit. Then after Kaidou is taken down we can rejoin them in progress and show just how much an Emperor being defeated affects the entire world.
I'm assuming it's not just one meeting over the course of one day. I feel like since all the rulers have to travel so far by ship to get there and they only meet every four years they could stretch the council meetings over a week at least. I'm wondering if it will go on long enough to keep a lot of Luffy's allies in the New World when shit goes down after the final war starts, or if just a few of the more important ones like Vivi and Shirahoshi will team up and remain in the NW to carry out some later revealed important plot point before all hell breaks loose.
