Lol I just thought about how funny it would be if Bonney is being kept around simply to keep the Elder Stars from dying.
They would make for a very derpy final boss battle, suddenly young and fit for battle.
Chapter 735: "Fujitora's Intentions"
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The elder stars seem like they were, atleast at one point, perfectly fit and able to do battle.
And i'm like 99.9% sure that they come from noble stock.
Yeah, wasn't there a theory rolling around not too long ago about the one with the sword being Mihawk's predecessor?
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i kinda like the theory that they have been staying alive thanks to the powers of aging/time fruit. perhaps the 5 elder stars were the 5 strongest fighters back when the world government formed and destroyed the ancient kingdom. each generation they find whoever has the aging/time fruit and force them to keep them alive for that generation. these guys look like they have been in battles but i doubt they were admirals as i don't think the nobles would like non nobles directing world affairs.
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Each generation? For all we know Bonney could have been alive for the past 800 years and kept as a prisoner, and just managed to escape
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@NER:
It makes lots of fucking sense, ya know?
When the country is free of Doflamingo Cavendish will be the hero that returned all the toys into humans again.
Cavendish's dream of hogging the spot light again after all those years by doing such a thing (even if he was just defending himself and didn't know that he is going to get such fame) is the best thing that could happen to him.I agree with this so much
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One thing I've learnt from this chapter is. Doflamingo was about to fight Fujitora. He isn't scared of an Admiral. All I can say is wow.
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Wow ner, I totally would love to see that!
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Lol I just thought about how funny it would be if Bonney is being kept around simply to keep the Elder Stars from dying.
They would make for a very derpy final boss battle, suddenly young and fit for battle.
A little off topic but one thing that is bugging me is in the movie Z. Zephyr is getting old and he gets weaker of course. So why didnt his crew member let her reduce his age to put him back to his prime?
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@Monkey:
via 2chan, Chinese trans
This translation is really funny.
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i kinda like the theory that they have been staying alive thanks to the powers of aging/time fruit. perhaps the 5 elder stars were the 5 strongest fighters back when the world government formed and destroyed the ancient kingdom. each generation they find whoever has the aging/time fruit and force them to keep them alive for that generation. these guys look like they have been in battles but i doubt they were admirals as i don't think the nobles would like non nobles directing world affairs.
Well Akainu said that he was worried when Bonnie escaped meaning they probably use/used her powers
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@Buggy:
do you guys think we'll ever see a strong world noble character? apart from doffy ofcourse. They cant all be lazy gun wielding idiots who rely on the WG/Marines to protect them.
IMO they all are weak. They resemble the leaders of our world, corrupt etc and honestly they're nothing without their moneyor their military forces so basically I think they're all weak but maybe we'll see another character who has connections to theworld goverment.
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@Uncle:
As long as the one-step-to-equal-discussion won't come up again…
LOL true. Zoro = Admiral
I mean he blocked an attack. :ninja:
My Team Supreme
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Lol why is it such a surprise.
All pirates and marines take on their life with the very understanding that they may die any minute.
Doula Mongo thought that fujitora was about to go for his head, obviously he's gonna fight back…
When Doula Mongo avoided Aokiji it wasn't out of fear, it's because it's more advantageous for him, he could have died in a battle that is was necessary.Akainu attacked whiteboard head on, he knew he was much inferior, but that's what you must do as marine and especially as admiral.
PS: carrot all the people that say that Alaina was scared of shanks!!
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@Uncle:
As long as the one-step-to-equal-discussion won't come up again…
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I agree with this so much
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One thing I've learnt from this chapter is. Doflamingo was about to fight Fujitora. He isn't scared of an Admiral. All I can say is wow.
Propably he had no other chance as to test Fujitora. Dofla is cornered and he knows that.
More impressive was the easy defense of Fujitora. Doflas attack was very weak. Yes he has courage, but he is nowhere as strong as an admiral.
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@dwo:
Propably he had no other chance as to test Fujitora. Dofla is cornered and he knows that.
More impressive was the easy defense of Fujitora. Doflas attack was very weak. Yes he has courage, but he is nowhere as strong as an admiral.
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. We still have a lot to see about dofla and fujitora..
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@MJR.:
LOL true. Zoro = Admiral
I mean he blocked an attack. :ninja:
Not to mention the new opening … Zoro vs. Isshou and Sanji vs. Kizaru :ninja::ninja::ninja:
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Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. We still have a lot to see about dofla and fujitora..
We can be pretty sure he isn't.
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I really don't want to fall into the same discussion again, admirals are needed for their strength, having a weak admiral doesn't make sense, fujitora is not necessarily as strong as the old admirals, or maybe he is even stronger who knows, once again one piece is all about power correlation, fujitoras df is a good match up for kizaru's .. Etc. Sengoku IMO is even stronger then the original trio.
Reaching a strength of par or above of that of an admiral automatically means you're one of the strongest pirates in the world. And so far we've only seen 4.
Point leading to the fact I very much doubt that Doula Mongo can stand up to an admiral.
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maybe tashigi is stronger than zoro maybe she isnt
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Maybe tashigi and Zoroaster have a kid named cubit
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Luffy is ready to fight with anyone too by the way.
So I think if Gandalf took the Ring he/it'd stronger th.. Whatever. I'm happy I didn't see that spoiler bullshit. Somebody please report it and let that new spoiler rules do their job.
The thing about Elders…
There is this vibe that poneglyphs will uncover some certain truths. Yes we know WG is evil and CDs use people as slave. They have probably had done some cruel and violent things in Void Century and to seperate themselves from ordinary humans to rule over them or to hide from and fight certain enemy/ies they had to stay together to reinforce their strengths by sticking to each other. The general understanding we have right now seems to indicate ideas that are easily passable from generation to generation. Like happens in monarchies... If that is only the case I can see Elders dying and passing it from generation to generation. But if Oda decides to reveal something like that old alien-theory-stuff I can see them living from the times of Void Century.
IF WG's evil are limited with political corruption it doesn't even matter who are the ones reinforcing it. All that matters is you crush that system with people willing for a change.
But as weekly readers there are lots of people seem to sense there might be things more which we all don't have a drop of information of. I would like to think this way too. (Not that I completely do) Because One Piece really should be something unique and amazing. And worth a thing for WG to completely scared of and fight the people who tries to acquire it. Lack of this macro picture may leave us unease against the story when THAT TIME comes which the series will draw to it's end. (I wonder if we'll be all here ten years after now :))
But once again as weekly readers, we all know how Oda make wonderful meanings and moments out of his arcs... I mean for god's sake how many stories written in history where Heroes come and rescue the town, the people, the kingdom in vain? It happened even happened two times in the series before this one. Now, is there anyone flaming about the general structure of the arc? %90 would say no! Because it never is that simple. People's struggle never are. Whatever tiny and unsignificant they may be. So when I think like at the previous I should be like: "We're fucking reading this series and he is writing it for 25 years and was it all about a government which gained power through excessive force and genocide?" Even if it is all there is to it, I KNOW the stones will fit their beds.
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And generally I must say I appreciate the weekly manga format. It is probably not what authors have in their minds and business thing. But especially in the case of One Piece. Reading a manga about friendship and making things right for 15 years or 30 for that matter... Really reinforce the people's positive emotions. I don't live in Japan but I know that their culture, or asian culture for that matter, generally sits upon not individual views but collective. I think that is all the people in the world must conserve to some extent -not explicitly stating they haven't. You can have philosophical talks with the world's greatest brains in that subject but I don't think they can come close to what One Piece does to it's readers. That's why One Piece for me a literature aside from it's fantasy aspects. I hope Oda will maintain it as the leading wind of the series until the end. I don't care how the story goes as long as the wind so far is the one carrying it. Then all will be fine.
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Rayleigh, to me, brought down the hammer on the whole it's entirely black and white way of thinking.
He's just nope, it's not going to be that easy guys. He's obviously called the dark king because he likes to muddle stuff up like that.
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One thing I've learnt from this chapter is. Doflamingo was about to fight Fujitora. He isn't scared of an Admiral. All I can say is wow.
How is it so WoW? Luffy, Zoro and Sanji didn't even hesitant in attacking an Admiral called Aokiji; even after seeing his power they still wanted to fight him all the crew included. damn you can even argue Usopp attacked Kizaru(this should be a wow) so nothing Dofla did is that amazing.
Big MoM ate - 2012
CC for nakama.
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Rayleigh, to me, brought down the hammer on the whole it's entirely black and white way of thinking.
He's just nope, it's not going to be that easy guys. He's obviously called the dark king because he likes to muddle stuff up like that.
Even though he is, quite ironically, enlightening people.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Rayleigh is like Zoro+Sanji+Nami combined. A wise deductive man(like he did in the auction house), a swordsman and a love money guy.
Maybe Scopper Gaban or Seagull will be like the brain muscled headed guy in every crew. crocus been shown to be carefree.
Big MoM ate - 2012
CC for nakama.
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How is it so WoW? Luffy, Zoro and Sanji didn't even hesitant in attacking an Admiral called Aokiji; even after seeing his power they still wanted to fight him all the crew included. damn you can even argue Usopp attacked Kizaru(this should be a wow) so nothing Dofla did is that amazing.
I keep saying that people run down Usopp way too much. Yes he does display cowardly tendencies even after the timeskip but he still shows up and fights alongside his Nakama. To me, he already is a brave man of the sea. He fights even though he is scared. That is bravery! The monster trio aren't brave, they are fearless. There is a difference.
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kaido has the pigeon zoan and drop sh*t on everybody from above
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@LordEnel:
Lol why is it such a surprise.
All pirates and marines take on their life with the very understanding that they may die any minute.
Doula Mongo thought that fujitora was about to go for his head, obviously he's gonna fight back…
When Doula Mongo avoided Aokiji it wasn't out of fear, it's because it's more advantageous for him, he could have died in a battle that is was necessary.Akainu attacked whiteboard head on, he knew he was much inferior, but that's what you must do as marine and especially as admiral.
PS: carrot all the people that say that Alaina was scared of shanks!!
@LordEnel:
Maybe tashigi and Zoroaster have a kid named cubit
Hahaha, your auto correct needs it's own fan club.
Btw, what was carrot supposed to be?
Speaking of Fujitora's strength, his ability is actually good enough to even give some logia trouble. Gravity affects everything. Akainu turns to magma, gravity, Akainu can't move, Fuji cuts him up with Haki. Well in theory, anyway.
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Lol fuck, I must have wrote cuck, it made carrot hahah.
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How is it so WoW? Luffy, Zoro and Sanji didn't even hesitant in attacking an Admiral called Aokiji; even after seeing his power they still wanted to fight him all the crew included. damn you can even argue Usopp attacked Kizaru(this should be a wow) so nothing Dofla did is that amazing.
Those are just situational things. They did everything they could. Bad example. And aokiji? They shit themselves when they hear about admirals post time skip. Aokiji they new nothing about him or if he was actually strong.
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How is it so WoW? Luffy, Zoro and Sanji didn't even hesitant in attacking an Admiral called Aokiji; even after seeing his power they still wanted to fight him all the crew included. damn you can even argue Usopp attacked Kizaru(this should be a wow) so nothing Dofla did is that amazing.
Those are just situational things. They did everything they could. Bad example. And aokiji? They shit themselves when they hear about admirals post time skip. Aokiji they new nothing about him or if he was actually strong.
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@dwo:
Propably he had no other chance as to test Fujitora. Dofla is cornered and he knows that.
More impressive was the easy defense of Fujitora. Doflas attack was very weak. Yes he has courage, but he is nowhere as strong as an admiral.
He blocked his attack yes. But that was just a way for Doflamingo to say "wanna come at me now? I'll take you on."
Obviously It's not going to be easy for both of them but it would will get messy. Otherwise Fujitora could have finished it there. Haha I don't think Doflamingo was expecting to land that hit. He didn't really shit himself.The kick was more of a symbolic thing to Fujitora. This is my perspective anyway. We haven't seen what Doffy or Fuji can do yet to a higher extent.
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@dwo:
Propably he had no other chance as to test Fujitora. Dofla is cornered and he knows that.
More impressive was the easy defense of Fujitora. Doflas attack was very weak. Yes he has courage, but he is nowhere as strong as an admiral.
He blocked his attack yes. But that was just a way for Doflamingo to say "wanna come at me now? I'll take you on."
Obviously It's not going to be easy for both of them but it would will get messy. Otherwise Fujitora could have finished it there. Haha I don't think Doflamingo was expecting to land that hit. He didn't really shit himself.The kick was more of a symbolic thing to Fujitora. This is my perspective anyway. We haven't seen what Doffy or Fuji can do yet to a higher extent.
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@dwo:
Propably he had no other chance as to test Fujitora. Dofla is cornered and he knows that.
More impressive was the easy defense of Fujitora. Doflas attack was very weak. Yes he has courage, but he is nowhere as strong as an admiral.
He blocked his attack yes. But that was just a way for Doflamingo to say "wanna come at me now? I'll take you on."
Obviously It's not going to be easy for both of them but it would will get messy. Otherwise Fujitora could have finished it there. Haha I don't think Doflamingo was expecting to land that hit. He didn't really shit himself.The kick was more of a symbolic thing to Fujitora. This is my perspective anyway. We haven't seen what Doffy or Fuji can do yet to a higher extent.
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Those are just situational things. They did everything they could. Bad example. And aokiji? They shit themselves when they hear about admirals post time skip. Aokiji they new nothing about him or if he was actually strong.
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Those are just situational things. They did everything they could. Bad example. And aokiji? They shit themselves when they hear about admirals post time skip. Aokiji they new nothing about him or if he was actually strong.
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He blocked his attack yes. But that was just a way for Doflamingo to say "wanna come at me now? I'll take you on."
Obviously It's not going to be easy for both of them but it would will get messy. Otherwise Fujitora could have finished it there. Haha I don't think Doflamingo was expecting to land that hit. He didn't really shit himself.The kick was more of a symbolic thing to Fujitora. This is my perspective anyway. We haven't seen what Doffy or Fuji can do yet to a higher extent.
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He blocked his attack yes. But that was just a way for Doflamingo to say "wanna come at me now? I'll take you on."
Obviously It's not going to be easy for both of them but it would will get messy. Otherwise Fujitora could have finished it there. Haha I don't think Doflamingo was expecting to land that hit. He didn't really shit himself.The kick was more of a symbolic thing to Fujitora. This is my perspective anyway. We haven't seen what Doffy or Fuji can do yet to a higher extent.
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He blocked his attack yes. But that was just a way for Doflamingo to say "wanna come at me now? I'll take you on."
Obviously It's not going to be easy for both of them but it would will get messy. Otherwise Fujitora could have finished it there. Haha I don't think Doflamingo was expecting to land that hit. He didn't really shit himself.The kick was more of a symbolic thing to Fujitora. This is my perspective anyway. We haven't seen what Doffy or Fuji can do yet to a higher extent.
Man that post needed to be quoted! Just for fun!
By the way I expect some super strong Franky new random weapon and his bounty to rise huge after beating hard the marines and DD army (Marines think DD army are just normal citizens for now). -
@Mex:
Man that post needed to be quoted! Just for fun!.
Lol
I don't understand all this discussions about Who is more powerful than who. Its already clear that in fights between df users in most cases the match up is the key. Luffy Was able to kick enel's ass before the ts only be cause of its particular nature.
We are reading one of the best arc so far in 15 years, i don't really get the point of all this "groupism" stuff, i mean, we don't Know nothing about Fuji, i can't want to Know his history and understand how could a guy so strong remain under the radar. It also seem to me he too doesn't really Know the full extent of his power yet
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Any way should be funny see Fuji fight ms valentine :P
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Wonder if it's one of Shichibukai who gave Fujitora those scars.
Wanting to abolish Shichibukai for revenge would make his character shallower, though.
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Wonder if it's one of Shichibukai who gave Fujitora those scars.
Wanting to abolish Shichibukai for revenge would make his character shallower, though.
Fujitora seems so deep and thoughtful to have that as a motive, even if it was a side one. :L
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Wonder if it's one of Shichibukai who gave Fujitora those scars.
Wanting to abolish Shichibukai for revenge would make his character shallower, though.
it would be interesting if he lost hsi sight versus that new schichibukai.
That shichibuka must be one hell of a guy.
murdering Z's entire crew.
taking fuji's eyesight.
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@NER:
Fujitora seems so deep and thoughtful to have that as a motive, even if it was a side one. :L
maybe that shichibukai also killed his entire family and burned his house. a magical beautiful house.
that would make sense.
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it would be interesting if he lost hsi sight versus that new schichibukai.
That shichibuka must be one hell of a guy.
murdering Z's entire crew.
taking fuji's eyesight.
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maybe that shichibukai also killed his entire family and burned his house. a magical beautiful house.
that would make sense.
Fuji was retired
shichibukai murdered his family.
he came back to get revenge.Fujitora doesn't seem like a vengeful person.
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Fujitora doesn't seem like a vengeful person.
We really do not have anywhere near enough information to make that assessment.
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it would be interesting if he lost hsi sight versus that new schichibukai.
That shichibuka must be one hell of a guy.
murdering Z's entire crew.
taking fuji's eyesight.
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maybe that shichibukai also killed his entire family and burned his house. a magical beautiful house.
that would make sense.
Fuji was retired
shichibukai murdered his family.
he came back to get revenge.Well, that crew he killed were new recruits or cadets. Not much of an achievement by itself, but couple it with doing it while Z was there and even taking his arm… Yeah, tough mother fucker.
But yeah, I don't see Oda repeating the same story with that Shichibukai.
UNLESS!
Unless Fujitora will be switched with Z in One Piece official canon. I'm surprised how much sense that would actually make.
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well something clearly happened in his past and he didn't see it coming
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it would be interesting if he lost hsi sight versus that new schichibukai.
That shichibuka must be one hell of a guy.
murdering Z's entire crew.
taking fuji's eyesight.
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maybe that shichibukai also killed his entire family and burned his house. a magical beautiful house.
that would make sense.
Fuji was retired
shichibukai murdered his family.
he came back to get revenge.lol are you copying Z's backstory?
Oda isn't going to throw the same character at us twice, dude.You can throw the "BUT Z IS NOT CANON" shit and it still wouldn't matter because Oda created or (at least approved of, not sure) him, so yeah.
But seriously, Fuji just wanting to fix the world like the good guy he is makes much more sense than all of that stuff anyway.
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How is it so WoW? Luffy, Zoro and Sanji didn't even hesitant in attacking an Admiral called Aokiji; even after seeing his power they still wanted to fight him all the crew included. damn you can even argue Usopp attacked Kizaru(this should be a wow) so nothing Dofla did is that amazing.
Luffy called a one on one so Aokiji would let the crew live. And they wanted to attack together because they had no chance alone.
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We really do not have anywhere near enough information to make that assessment.
That's why I said "doesn't seem".
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That's why I said "doesn't seem".
It didn't seem that he would talk shit to Doflamingo and even insult him until last chapter. Just because he wants to save civilians, he's apparently not the type of guy that will have revenge, because that's all that we can really get out of him and his "blind justice" so far.
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Rayleigh is like Zoro+Sanji+Nami combined. A wise deductive man(like he did in the auction house), a swordsman and a love money guy.
Maybe Scopper Gaban or Seagull will be like the brain muscled headed guy in every crew. crocus been shown to be carefree.
It is more about him having too much debts than loving money. Kinda like Paulie.
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Dude he probably just looked at the files on all the Shichibukai and realized how fucked up most of them are/were.
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^Pretty much. He even used Crocodile as an example despite never having met the guy.
Seriously, he's willing to ally with a Warlord himself just to stop enemy pirates from hurting civilians while putting his own goal in second plane. How can revenge be deduced from this behavior?
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@Mex:
Man that post needed to be quoted! Just for fun!
By the way I expect some super strong Franky new random weapon and his bounty to rise huge after beating hard the marines and DD army (Marines think DD army are just normal citizens for now).What do you mean by this?
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WARNING!!!! I came with THE GREATEST THEORY EVER!
Fujitora was sent by The WG to the moon using one of VegaPunk's Capsules in order to make researches for the WG about possible life in the moon. Once there, Capsule exploded because of the gravity. Since he had nothing to eat, He kept walkin' and walkin' till he found a three with a DEVIL FRUIT! (The moon-moon or the Steroid Steroid no mi) (He ate it even if he knew it was a DF, Cuz he had no choice. Hungry + could actually get back to earth using the DF's ability) A few days later while he was discoverin' his abilities, He saw someone else in the moon!!' …..:ninja: IT WAS ENERU!(enel) (The possible NEW Shichibukai), After a conversation and after Knowin' enel's evil plans, they Had a fight, ENEL blinded Fujitora so he couldn't remember him !!!!!
LMFAO, well, I know I know, I am HIGH, and I am enjoyin' what I am writin' actually :P it would be a great scénario :P
Ore wa LUFFY !! Kaizoku-ō ni naru otoko da!
My 1st Rap Video Clip 
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@DEE:
WARNING!!!! I came with THE GREATEST THEORY EVER!
Fujitora was sent by The WG to the moon using one of VegaPunk's Capsules in order to make researches for the WG about possible life in the moon. Once there, Capsule exploded because of the gravity. Since he had nothing to eat, He kept walkin' and walkin' till he found a three with a DEVIL FRUIT! (The moon-moon or the Steroid Steroid no mi) (He ate it even if he knew it was a DF, Cuz he had no choice. Hungry + could actually get back to earth using the DF's ability) A few days later while he was discoverin' his abilities, He saw someone else in the moon!!' …..:ninja: IT WAS ENERU!(enel) (The possible NEW Shichibukai), After a conversation and after Knowin' enel's evil plans, they Had a fight, ENEL blinded Fujitora so he couldn't remember him !!!!!
LMFAO, well, I know I know, I am HIGH, and I am enjoyin' what I am writin' actually :P it would be a great scénario :P
DF only came out from the sea… how high are you?
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The monster trio aren't brave, they are fearless. There is a difference.
correction they are both brave and fearless
