I agree. A full page of flashback showing how Trebol survived Usopp's attack would have been much better. Personally I don't know what to think yet.
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A well portrayed fake logia would raise doubts only before being explained
Frankly, there is no good reason for people to have doubts. I found it abundantly explained, and I think going into more detail would have been unnecessary and a waste of panels.
Being sliced in many pieces by Usopp, reataching himself and then being a paramecia?
He wasn't. His fake body was. We know he had a fake body. We know he was dodging attacks within that fake body. We know Usopp's attack cut his 'fat' body into sections. We know he was like "Logia? That won't work at all!" when Luffy was like 'why can't I hurt you with armament haki? If you're a logia, this should hurt you'. There is an obvious conclusion here; I don't get why people have trouble with it.
no matter how much "fake body" do you possess,you cannot fake size unless you have some hidden stilts there.
Yes you can, when you have a supernatural ability to create and control a substance.
The way he was cut in his fight against Usopp,his size was gone…and you must remember very well that Trebol's real body is truly tall,although skinny.
He had a seriously huge fake body; he could easily tuck his entire real body into one portion of his fake body. For example, into that huge hump that was behind his head (and often, largely above head level) most of the times that we saw him.
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Frankly, there is no good reason for people to have doubts. I found it abundantly explained, and I think going into more detail would have been unnecessary and a waste of panels.
Rather than doubts about Trebol's DF, it's more a complaint regarding Oda's writing. You can't convince me that Oda did a good job with this reveal.
Well actually the reveal isn't so bad. But Usopp's scene could have used a two panel long flashback.
"abundantly" ?! Seriously ?! Oda didn't take a single step toward us to explain how Trebol dodged Usopp's attack that cut everything under his chin while his feet were on the ground. -
One aspect of the fake body could explain his ability to dodge within it. I think some people are conceiving of the fake body as a kind of outer layer and he just stands around inside of it.
On the other hand, if you suppose that the fake body is full - it's essentially a goo-ball with certain external features - he could be "floating" or suspended inside of this goo. And since he controls the movements of that goo, he could move around inside the goo-ball body with not only his own speed but the speed at which he can control the goo which supports him.
Also, we have to think of the "goo-body" as not only the robes and the body they cover, but also the hands, feet, etc. that we see. Only his head is "real," as he needs it to be exposed for the majority of his sense perception. And still, like Luffy being made of rubber, his head might be "goo" in an important sense, despite also being his real body. Unless, that is, that he just produces goo but is not "made" of it - which is likely - but that doesn't affect the points here made.
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Law also sliced him too multiple pieces, at that moment it would have been nice of oda to hint or show they weren't not hitting his real body explaining how he also survived ussopp attack but is not a logia. Trebol could have used his real body after radio knife then because the lower parts were irrelevant because he is not a logia.
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Well…if you watch the radio knife scene and the way Trebol moves his body parts one by one and then try to reassemble them just like a logia would do...it's quite hard to see him as a paramecia...even more if you remember the scene in which he gets sliced by Usopp.
Not saying that he's not a paramecia,but honestly,if Oda's intention was to portray him as a fake logia,I guess it could have been done better.
And yeah:even if Law can cut his foes in many pieces without killing them in the process,none of his victims seem to be capable of controlling freely his severed body parts like Trebol did:instead,they always demand for help asking someone to hold/put their body parts together.Vergo,for example,was helpless in terms of movement after getting cut in half...why things are different with a guy like Trebol if he's not a logia?
Just to ilustrate ...watch beginning at 2:06...
Considering that you're still arguing that he is a Logia, then he actually did a great job.
Also, trying to reattach yourself has nothing to do with him being Logia or Paramecia. You can still move after being cut by Law. Remember Kin'emon? Vergo couldn't move because he was attached to an object, which is similar to Kin'emon being stuck to the dragon.
Trebol himself rhetorically questions "Am I a Logia?" That should be enough explanation that he is a Paramecia.
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Rather than doubts about Trebol's DF, it's more a complaint regarding Oda's writing. You can't convince me that Oda did a good job with this reveal.
Well actually the reveal isn't so bad. But Usopp's scene could have used a two panel long flashback.
"abundantly" ?! Seriously ?! Oda didn't take a single step toward us to explain how Trebol dodged Usopp's attack that cut everything under his chin while his feet were on the ground.He was lying down on the upper part of his goo.
Proof? Here. That head position shows that his feet weren't on the ground.
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Considering that you're still arguing that he is a Logia, then he actually did a great job.
Huh what ? So why aren't you arguing that he is a logia yourself ?
@King:He was lying down on the upper part of his goo.
Proof? Here.
I don't think this picture proves anything. I'm not looking for proof anyway. I know that he is a parameccia. I'm just arguing that Oda did an awful job at conveying this info.
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Considering that you're still arguing that he is a Logia, then he actually did a great job.
Also, trying to reattach yourself has nothing to do with him being Logia or Paramecia. You can still move after being cut by Law. Remember Kin'emon? Vergo couldn't move because he was attached to an object, which is similar to Kin'emon being stuck to the dragon.
How is it though when radio knifed he just sat there incapacitated? Just stand up on your real legs and fight with snot which is used to assemble his fake outer layer.
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Huh what ? So why aren't you arguing that he is a logia yourself ?
I don't think this picture proves anything. I'm not looking for proof anyway. I know that he is a parameccia. I'm just arguing that Oda did an awful job at conveying this info.
He's not a Logia.
In regards to info conveying, Oda wanted us to think he was a Logia, so he couldn't really show how he truly dodged Usopp's attacks. The idea here is that he dodged the plants by leaping or swimming up while inside the slime.
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How is it though when radio knifed he just sat there incapacitated? Just stand up on your real legs and fight with snot which is used to assemble his fake outer layer.
He actually helped in immobilizing Law in one instance.
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He's not a Logia.
In regards to info conveying, Oda wanted us to think he was a Logia, so he couldn't really show how he truly dodged Usopp's attacks. The idea here is that he dodged the plants by leaping while inside the slime.
…...I will leave it at that. We are not on the same wavelength.
I think that Usopp vs Trebol could use a flashback or an SBS to show how he actually dodged
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Considering that you're still arguing that he is a Logia, then he actually did a great job.
Also, trying to reattach yourself has nothing to do with him being Logia or Paramecia. You can still move after being cut by Law. Remember Kin'emon? Vergo couldn't move because he was attached to an object, which is similar to Kin'emon being stuck to the dragon.
Trebol himself rhetorically questions "Am I a Logia?" That should be enough explanation that he is a Paramecia.
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He was lying down on the upper part of his goo.
Proof? Here. That head position shows that his feet weren't on the ground.
Vergo's body parts were attached to an object after provoking law…not right after the big sword slash,in which he was sliced in two halves.
And if you look carefully at the scene with Usopp,in the manga,Trebol was cut close to his chin...no matter how hard you try,there's no way to convince me that it's easily logical to think that a tall skinny guy just jumped right before being cut and fit his whole real body in a really small upper section at once(I known that's the only explanation,but it's still not something easily of being regarded as completely logical).
In fact,if you watch the anime too,they even show him rebuilding his whole body just like a logia would do.If he's not a logia at all,why the hell the animators did something so unnecessary?(Yeah,yeah...people will argue that the anime isn't the ultimate official source to endorse a theory related to OP,but even so,I still think that the idea of how Trebol's fake logia body works wan't portrayed as it should.) -
Vergo's body parts were attached to an object after provoking law…not right after the big sword slash,in which he was sliced in two halves.
And if you look carefully at the scene with Usopp,in the manga,Trebol was cut close to his chin...no matter how hard you try,there's no way to convince me that it's easily logical to think that a tall skinny guy just jumped right before being cut and fit his whole real body in a really small upper section at once(I known that's the only explanation,but it's still not something easily of being regarded as completely logical).
In fact,if you watch the anime too,they even show him rebuilding his whole body just like a logia would do.(Yeah,yeah...people will argue that the anime isn't the ultimate official source to endorse a theory related to OP,but even so,I still think that the idea of how Trebol's fake logia body works wan't portrayed as it should.)And the anime also showed Vergo's upper half trying to attack Law too. So if you're gonna use the anime as proof for Trebol, then use it for Vergo as well. But in anyway, the anime has commited several mistakes before.
The fact that Vergo was sliced into bits and was glued to a rail shows that Law sliced him more than once in the manga. This was before provoking him, not after. Here, this happens after the ceiling drops from Law's island cut, which means Law didn't finish him with just a cut.
Also, look at the sliced Trebol again. Not even close to the chin. If he was in a horizontal position, he could have easily dodged that.
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…...I will leave it at that. We are not on the same wavelength.
I think that Usopp vs Trebol could use a flashback or an SBS to show how he actually dodged
while you think that I didn't read the chapter.Expect a SBS. Flashback would have been overkill as there was already a flashback in that chapter.
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Sure, I agree 16 chars.
By the way, somebody actually drew how Trebol's dodging would work.
Yeah, it's kinda ridiculous, but I personally love it.
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By the way, somebody actually drew how Trebol's dodging would work.
http://i.imgur.com/6eh9E7G.jpg?1
Yeah, it's kinda ridiculous, but I personally love it.
I know right, I think it was Bond en Avant. I love it too. That's exactly why I'm complaining so much. I'd like this to be canon. I don't consider Oda's reveal as perfect as it would be with this drawing in the manga.
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Also, look at the sliced Trebol again. Not even close to the chin. If he was in a horizontal position, he could have easily dodged that.
Holy shit, did batoto just delete all the one piece chapters from its website?
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Powermanga is still on for now.
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By the way, somebody actually drew how Trebol's dodging would work.
http://i.imgur.com/6eh9E7G.jpg?1
Yeah, it's kinda ridiculous, but I personally love it.
This was, at the time, and will always remain my favorite thing.
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By the way, somebody actually drew how Trebol's dodging would work.
http://i.imgur.com/6eh9E7G.jpg?1
Yeah, it's kinda ridiculous, but I personally love it.
What back pain! The theory is that he always is in that position? Or only when he is going to receive an attack?
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What back pain! The theory is that he always is in that position? Or only when he is going to receive an attack?
suger said are you dead at that time ussop attacked so he does that when a hit is going to come
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Am I the only one bothered by the fact that Dressrosa is a country that seems to be just as big as a city? And not even a huge city?
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Am I the only one bothered by the fact that Dressrosa is a country that seems to be just as big as a city? And not even a huge city?
The country has many cities. We've been given the names of a few, like Acacia and Carta. Unfortunately, given the rapid-fire progression of events during their stay on the island, we never got a sense of the size, distance, and time of the setting. The (former) royal plateau, for example, seems impossibly large for a multi-city country.
That said, there are real-life island countries in the world that don't amount to much more than a city. Examples are Nauru and Tuvalu.
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Nice blog. Your writing style is almost like it's being spoken, like a conversational feel to it. It's more suitable for video logs. Otherwise your writing, especially if you're trying to break down a chapter, needs to be more analytical. Anyone can just write what they like and dislike but that doesn't amount to a good review. It does fair well as a personal opinion though.
Try to expand on the positive and negatives you've listed. Go more in depth, don't just write what you read and describe what happens in the chapter, that's more akin to a recap of what everyone knows already from reading the chapter. Don't mean to come across as harsh, I want to see you do better is all.
(Heck, even ask some thought provoking questions to wrap up your review to engage the reader and get them thinking and wanting discuss with you on the comment section).
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^ Agreed/16 characters(is this still a thing? Do we do this anymore?)
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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^ Agreed/16 characters(is this still a thing? Do we do this anymore?)
I heard it that senior members knows how to write whatever they wants without those 16 chars.
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Ok thanks for telling me.
I'm still new, and that feedback was the best I've gotten. Next review will def look for it so look out. :)
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Say, think we should change the poll by now?
I mean, I know that Dressrosa's gonna be over in about two weeks, but still.
Maybe we should change it to if we think Luffy is gonna take the other crews up on their offer?
Just a suggestion.
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How about what'll become of Doflamingo?
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I heard it that senior members knows how to write whatever they wants without those 16 chars.
Yup .
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How to do it?
Forum user Bartholemew Bear passed away in a very moving and touching way. I, ARTEMlS, therefore carry on the Will of DArth for good unto its final fulfilment.
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How to do it?
It's secret .
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Space x15 .
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I've seen DarthAsthma post without anything inside it. To this day I still don't know how he did it.
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Forum user Bartholemew Bear passed away in a very moving and touching way. I, ARTEMlS, therefore carry on the Will of DArth for good unto its final fulfilment.
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Somebody's showing off.
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No, that's not how he did it. I would have seen it anyway, right?… (I use the Dressrosa Skin)
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That's the best I could do. To make it less off-topic, let's say those were my feelings during the Dressrosa climax.:happy:
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Some which is bothering me… I do not understand why Oda released 795 like this...
It easily could be done after Dressrosa at 800 or 801.
We've got to see Sanji and Co in an anticlimatic return just to let the disappear again. We have seen Kaidou, who is absolutely amazing in a cliffhanger justto return to Dressrosa.
I really do not understand the logic behind it. It somehow has the feeling it has been only done to fill in for the 800 next week.
I think it would be much better after Dressrosa
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Since we are basically done with the arc, with the party and Luffy accepting the offer being the only things left, I feel I can give my full thoughts on the arc.
The biggest problems of this arc come down to lack of time/focus. There were so many plot points that they all had to be juggled. Because of this, many of the characters and story that showed promise didn't go as well as it could've, with the Riku family and Dwarves being the biggest one. I don't hate King Riku like some do, but his lack of presence make me feel nothing overall for him. Viola had promise and while I liked everything about her, she didn't get as much presence as she should've. Rebecca and Kyros were the best ones, more as the whole relationship between them rather than individually. Individually they had some good stuff as well, but only stand out because they intertwined with each other. I still wish Rebecca did something besides standing around. The Dwarves were more for a comedic effect, and while I liked them there was more that could've been done as well.
I really like Dressrosa in the end because despite certain points not being as good as it had to the potential to be, there were a number of really great high points. The whole thing between Law and Doflamingo was great, between the flashback and the whole struggle Law put up. Doflamingo himself was a well developed character and I loved his fighting style and design. Some of the family were really well done, with Baby 5 and Senor Pink being the best. Then there were some great one off chapters and panels, such as the Usopp snipping moment, giant Pica, Luffy stopping Doflamingo from finishing off Law. The whole Fujitora stuff from start to finish was great, and the build-up to the alliance was pretty cool. Despite being a low point for many, I actually really liked the Bellamy stuff.
While nothing major, there were a few things that stop me from wanting to put this arc in my top 3 arcs. I really wanted Pica or Corazon to actually have been mute. Pica in particular felt more menacing and a better character when not talking at all. The idea of a mute character with a blind character sounded cool as well. The Bird Cage was interesting in some ways, but I have some problems with it that I can't just put my finger on. I like everyone coming together to help stop it, but I think the problem came with how it really stretched things out in the end, as well as the cheering of Luffy being cringe worthy. Last, the final battle lacked impact compared to other ones. Instead of having a point where both were evenly matched, it was a back and forth which while visually cool, wasn't as memorable.
In the end, I really liked the arc which I look forward to rereading again.
Some which is bothering me… I do not understand why Oda released 795 like this...
It easily could be done after Dressrosa at 800 or 801.
We've got to see Sanji and Co in an anticlimatic return just to let the disappear again. We have seen Kaidou, who is absolutely amazing in a cliffhanger justto return to Dressrosa.
I really do not understand the logic behind it. It somehow has the feeling it has been only done to fill in for the 800 next week.
I think it would be much better after Dressrosa
I also found the chapter placement weird. It was cool seeing Kaido and the other crew, but it didn't really help with anything. If anything, it agitated those who really disliked this arc, as we got a glimpse of what to come, only to go back to Dressrosa for another bunch of chapters.
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Chapter 795 high likely is a volume ender. Around 800 or 801 on the other hand will be somewhere in the middle.
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So is this the final days of this thread?
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Since we are basically done with the arc, with the party and Luffy accepting the offer being the only things left, I feel I can give my full thoughts on the arc.
The biggest problems of this arc come down to lack of time/focus. There were so many plot points that they all had to be juggled. Because of this, many of the characters and story that showed promise didn't go as well as it could've, with the Riku family and Dwarves being the biggest one. I don't hate King Riku like some do, but his lack of presence make me feel nothing overall for him. Viola had promise and while I liked everything about her, she didn't get as much presence as she should've. Rebecca and Kyros were the best ones, more as the whole relationship between them rather than individually. Individually they had some good stuff as well, but only stand out because they intertwined with each other. I still wish Rebecca did something besides standing around. The Dwarves were more for a comedic effect, and while I liked them there was more that could've been done as well.
I really like Dressrosa in the end because despite certain points not being as good as it had to the potential to be, there were a number of really great high points. The whole thing between Law and Doflamingo was great, between the flashback and the whole struggle Law put up. Doflamingo himself was a well developed character and I loved his fighting style and design. Some of the family were really well done, with Baby 5 and Senor Pink being the best. Then there were some great one off chapters and panels, such as the Usopp snipping moment, giant Pica, Luffy stopping Doflamingo from finishing off Law. The whole Fujitora stuff from start to finish was great, and the build-up to the alliance was pretty cool. Despite being a low point for many, I actually really liked the Bellamy stuff.
While nothing major, there were a few things that stop me from wanting to put this arc in my top 3 arcs. I really wanted Pica or Corazon to actually have been mute. Pica in particular felt more menacing and a better character when not talking at all. The idea of a mute character with a blind character sounded cool as well. The Bird Cage was interesting in some ways, but I have some problems with it that I can't just put my finger on. I like everyone coming together to help stop it, but I think the problem came with how it really stretched things out in the end, as well as the cheering of Luffy being cringe worthy. Last, the final battle lacked impact compared to other ones. Instead of having a point where both were evenly matched, it was a back and forth which while visually cool, wasn't as memorable.
In the end, I really liked the arc which I look forward to rereading again.
I also found the chapter placement weird. It was cool seeing Kaido and the other crew, but it didn't really help with anything. If anything, it agitated those who really disliked this arc, as we got a glimpse of what to come, only to go back to Dressrosa for another bunch of chapters.
Very good work… what did you think of the tournament? To me it was a total disappointment, ok the purpose was to get to know luffy's followers, but i really count it on the down side.
And fuji diappointed me too... ok i understand he's a good fella, great DF, a philanthropist, yeah everybody loves him, because he is so cool and he cooperates with pirates and yeah he is the coolest admiral and look at the rumble he lifted up, wow i am so impressed, i masturbate to fujitora, but seriously? What was oda thinking? I mean in no case whatsoever did he show sovereignity... yes i understand he stayed low to show the WG's ugliness and although he wasn't clueless at all, he sure acted as if he was... first he had a brawl with doflamingo, then he changed his mind and went for law, then he had a brawl with zoro, then he left with mingo to later mess with sabo, inbetween he was overwhelmed by the chaos... when everything was over he played dice for three days, then all of a sudden he decided to make a move, then he lifted the rumble in the sky (totally unnecessary) and after fighting luffy for a few moments he then again changed his mind and decided to let luffy go and imagined how luffy's face would look like...
The whole fujitora part was really annoying and strenuous... it seemed to me that fujitora was squeezed between the subplots and never had a certain role in the story and although i also liked the idea of a kind and understanding admiral, the presentation was very sloppily executed and let's face it, as an admiral he completely failed. So i put him to the down side too.
Also sabo wasn't as cool as i imagined, so he just left a bitter-sweet impression too.
Nonetheless, it was my favourite arc in the new world thus far and definitely under the top 10 in general...
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I think this arc suffers from what most post-timeskip arcs will suffer from: balancing the large amount of character and narrative with the already drawn out length of the series.
There seems to be a checklist of things that need to be happen every arc (like everyone's fight etc) which steadily increases every arc, as well as a need to build momentum for the larger saga by introducing more characters, which needs more backstory etc.
Oda has put himself in a bit of a bind because he's already played the split up hand with Impel Down and Marineford (both of which I really enjoyed for the exact reason it was not really about the Strawhat crew).
I enjoyed this arc a lot until the birdcage. Everything about the birdcage screamed "let's just try to finish the battles ASAP" including the Hakuba shortcut and the 10s regen. While I thought the Corazon/Law stuff was well fleshed out, I would've actually like to see more from the Don Quixote family and more about the country of Dressrosa (Alabasta felt like a country whereas Dressrosa felt like a city).
The best decision Oda made about this arc was to send half the crew away. But even then between Law, 1/2 Strawhats, Marines, Colosseum (my favourite bit), Don Quixote family, way too many important characters stretched out the arc.
