Question: what if Oda, for some reason…..doesn't disclose Monet's fate to the reader (perish the thought)?
She would be in limbo, wouldn't she? What side would be right?
Question: what if Oda, for some reason…..doesn't disclose Monet's fate to the reader (perish the thought)?
She would be in limbo, wouldn't she? What side would be right?
Question: what if Oda, for some reason…..doesn't disclose Monet's fate to the reader (perish the thought)?
She would be in limbo, wouldn't she? What side would be right?
I think then it be safe to assume that she died.
Question: what if Oda, for some reason…..doesn't disclose Monet's fate to the reader (perish the thought)?
She would be in limbo, wouldn't she? What side would be right?
If he doesn't say either way by the next set of cover-stories the "dead" camp wins the bet, since thats usually the distance from an arc Oda feels free to reveal things may be different than we thought. (See Bon Kurei and CP9 in particular.)
Heroic characters get to survive for the after-party, villains get the cover stories.
That's probably about a year away though, depending on how long Carribou's story takes.
Speaking of Carribou…
Did his crew supposedly die from drowning/being crused in high water pressure?
Oh wait.
@RobbyBevard:
If he doesn't say either way by the next set of cover-stories the "dead" camp wins the bet, since thats usually the distance from an arc Oda feels free to reveal things may be different than we thought. (See Bon Kurei and CP9 in particular.)
Heroic characters get to survive for the after-party, villains get the cover stories.
That's probably about a year away though, depending on how long Carribou's story takes.
….I see. I ask because I'm becomg more and more uneasy with my guess. :I
Have we also forgotten the Marines that were petrified by the Shinokuni?
As a recall, the moment those Marines were petrified I remember post like:
"RIP MARINES!" and "They died in such a noble way"
Moving several chapters forward we discover that Kinemon has also fallen under the same predicament. Surely he's not dead. So you know what that means?
There's a cure! And all those marines that were petrified… those very same marines people actually believed had died… will also be cured and will live!
"Death Dreamers, Believers, and Enthusiast" … it's about time you learned to throw in your towels
@RobbyBevard:
If he doesn't say either way by the next set of cover-stories the "dead" camp wins the bet, since thats usually the distance from an arc Oda feels free to reveal things may be different than we thought. (See Bon Kurei and CP9 in particular.)
Heroic characters get to survive for the after-party, villains get the cover stories.
That's probably about a year away though, depending on how long Carribou's story takes.
Well, we didn't see Bon Kurei getting mauled by Magellan, so betting on him being actually alive at the time was much safer than this.
I wouldn't care if Monet ended up surviving, but he can't use the Pell excuse of being lucky/tough enough to avoid fatal damage because it all happened off-screen this time. She needs to be saved by somebody in order to live through this.
As I am already in the "dead" camp on NF, I´ll say she's alive here, although I hope it's not the case :D
So, I'm in for "Not Dead"!
"Death Dreamers, Believers, and Enthusiast" … it's about time you learned to throw in your towels
As a certain Fox Mulder would say: I want to believe!
Has anyone else in OP been explicitly or visibilly stabbed in the most important organ in the human anatomy?
If she's alive I think I'll lose some respect for Oda.
Has anyone else in OP been explicitly or visibilly stabbed in the most important organ in the human anatomy?
Yes, Crocodile stabbed Luffy right through the stomach.
(And Enel had his heart stopped by seastone/dial attack combo…)
Have we also forgotten the Marines that were petrified by the Shinokuni?
As a recall, the moment those Marines were petrified I remember post like:
"RIP MARINES!" and "They died in such a noble way"
Moving several chapters forward we discover that Kinemon has also fallen under the same predicament. Surely he's not dead. So you know what that means?
There's a cure! And all those marines that were petrified… those very same marines people actually believed had died… will also be cured and will live!
"Death Dreamers, Believers, and Enthusiast" … it's about time you learned to throw in your towels
Kinemon will only survive due to being in the gas for a short amount of time.
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@RobbyBevard:
Yes, Crocodile stabbed Luffy right through the stomach.
(And Enel had his heart stopped by seastone/dial attack combo…)
Luffy would be dead if it wasn't for Robin and Pell. (Plot Armor).
So if Doflamingo or somebody else quickly saves Monet, then it won't be as unbelievable.
The Enel thing is just like a defibrillator, so it makes sense.
@Galaxy:
Kinemon will only survive due to being in the gas for a short amount of time.
What you said sounds logical, but I am 95% confident that things will not play out this way. Chopper will look at Kinenmon and say:
"I can resurrect him".
Chopper won't be saying "He's just been exposed to the gas there's still time."
Eventually the Medical-Marines and Chopper will work together to cure all of the petrified marines
What you said sounds logical, but I am 95% confident that things will not play out this way. Chopper will look at Kinenmon and say:
"I can resurrect him".
Chopper won't be saying "He's just been exposed to the gas there's still time."
Eventually the Medical-Marines and Chopper will work together to cure all of the petrified marines
The other marines were left in the gas, and the gas is still around them. How will the crew get to them?
I just don't see them being able to survive.
@Galaxy:
The other marines were left in the gas, and the gas is still around them. How will the crew get to them?
I just don't see them being able to survive.
They were left in the gas, but Dofla is on his way. That gas will be removed from the environment one way or another, giving everyone the chance to go back and rescue those marines.
Actually…. not just the marines.. but Brownbeard's men as well.
Neither Smoker, Brownbeard, nor Chopper would be willing to leave all those people behind. (Especially not Smoker and BB).
They will go back.. and they will rejuvenate them.
Dead Not Dead Dead
put me in, I'm in not dead bandwagon
*haven't had any avatar since the beginning anyway, but it's been my pride to not put any avatar in my account.
Has anyone else in OP been explicitly or visibilly stabbed in the most important organ in the human anatomy?
@RobbyBevard:
Yes, Crocodile stabbed Luffy right through the stomach.
(And Enel had his heart stopped by seastone/dial attack combo…)
Don't forget Pell carrying a bomb to the sky and being blown to bits, only to come back better than ever.
Don't forget Pell carrying a bomb to the sky and being blown to bits, only to come back better than ever.
Did Oda show Pell being blown to bits or are you assuming that happened off panel because this discussion is about someone receiving a life-threatening wound on panel. Completely different scenarios.
Dead, the difference between Monet's death and the other fake deaths is stabbing vs explosion/lightning bolt
Point of reference - If you get stabbed through the heart you do die.
So if Monet is dead but revived then according to the poll at the top the people in the dead camp are still accurate I believe, it doesn't mention her staying dead though.
Could that be clarified too please before I vote?
@RobbyBevard:
Yes, Crocodile stabbed Luffy right through the stomach.
(And Enel had his heart stopped by seastone/dial attack combo…)
Yeah but neither of them had their heart directly pierced with a sharp object (on panel no less).
Also Monet's heart enveloped in water, which should make it extra vulnerable.
I wouldn't be surprised if Monet walked out of this alive, but Oda could have done it in a way more ambiguous?
As for a reason why Oda would kill her (which I feel is the real question that should be asked)?
I would guess it would be a reason to have Doflamingo actively gunning for Law (and by extension Luffy), rather than just kicking back until Luffy & company are in their house,breaking their favorite things like so many other villains in the series have made the mistake of doing. If Monet and Vergo die, on top of everything else that has happened, Doflamingo wouldn't want to toy with Law and Luffy like he does with everybody else, and we all know how much Dofla enjoys toying with people.
I hate myself for still reading this thread.
So if Monet is dead but revived then according to the poll at the top the people in the dead camp are still accurate I believe, it doesn't mention her staying dead though.
Could that be clarified too please before I vote?
I'm not in charge or nuffin', but I say she has to stay dead for the "dead" people to be correct. The argument isn't about lol real life physics and medicine in wacky pirate comic!; it's about Oda's writing, the choices he makes, and why he makes those choices. Nobody puts Enel on the list of "important dead named OP characters who died outside of a flashback" alongside WB and Ace.
Dead:1-bcoz we hardly know anything abt her
2-its new world..characters ought to die
3-her last line was "doffy.. u will b the pk"
4-cc gave his all to kill smoker and she was ready to die anyway
Alive:1-bcoz oda doesn't like to kill characters
2-df users aren't easily killed
3-does she really deserve to die..a nice character which can be shown in the cover arc's later
@zeff:
Dead:1-bcoz we hardly know anything abt her
2-its new world..characters ought to die
3-her last line was "doffy.. u will b the pk"
4-cc gave his all to kill smoker and she was ready to die anywayAlive:1-bcoz oda doesn't like to kill characters
2-df users aren't easily killed
3-does she really deserve to die..a nice character which can be shown in the cover arc's later
All your reasons made sense except for Death Reason #3.
It's almost as if you're implying that anyone who claims that anyone else but Luffy will be PK will die (ala Ace dying after he said Wb would become PK).
All your reasons made sense except for Death Reason #3.
It's almost as if you're implying that anyone who claims that anyone else but Luffy will be PK will die (ala Ace dying after he said Wb would become PK).
She was already willing to die for Doffy before he even asked her to. She was willing to do that in part so that his dream of becoming PK would still be possible. Makes sense to me.
@CCC:
I hate myself for still reading this thread.
I'm not in charge or nuffin', but I say she has to stay dead for the "dead" people to be correct. The argument isn't about lol real life physics and medicine in wacky pirate comic!; it's about Oda's writing, the choices he makes, and why he makes those choices. Nobody puts Enel on the list of "important dead named OP characters who died outside of a flashback" alongside WB and Ace.
Agreed, if she is resurrected after death, she never truly died in the story, so it wouldn't count.
She was already willing to die for Doffy before he even asked her to. She was willing to do that in part so that his dream of becoming PK would still be possible. Makes sense to me.
Her **1)**willingness to die and 2) her claiming that Dofla be PK are two different things.
Maybe that's what Redleg was alluding to, but I didn't pick up on that.
S/N: Isn't awesome how this one topic alone has carried us into 22 pages of this thread?
I'll vote dead.
My reason being that it just looked so fatal plus Caesar thinking he has Smoker's heart in his possession.
I also think she could be dead but somehow end up being temporary.
Did Oda show Pell being blown to bits or are you assuming that happened off panel because this discussion is about someone receiving a life-threatening wound on panel. Completely different scenarios.
I'm just referring to Oda bringing back someone back who was supposed to be dead due to circumstances, i.e Luffy getting punched in the stomach during the Alabasta arc and idk, Jinbei getting punched through his lung with Akainu's magma fist. Sides, it's OP. It's niether confirmed nor denied until the next chapter or the end of the arc. Just a few more weeks…!
@CCC:
I hate myself for still reading this thread.
I'm not in charge or nuffin', but I say she has to stay dead for the "dead" people to be correct. The argument isn't about lol real life physics and medicine in wacky pirate comic!; it's about Oda's writing, the choices he makes, and why he makes those choices. Nobody puts Enel on the list of "important dead named OP characters who died outside of a flashback" alongside WB and Ace.
We're all secretly masochist, CCC. :D
well what i wanted to say was if she died her last words need to b something which caused an impact….and it pretty much had..
Not dead because we have yet to see her true motives.
Not dead because we have yet to see her true motives.
I think a lot of people may be overestimating how much there is to her. I believe a lot of her background can be explained through either Law, CC, or Doffy, especially when (if) they find out that she's dead. She doesn't necessarily have to be alive for us to get answers to some of the questions that we have.
I just want an answer why she let Law changed her into a chicken harpy and who the fuck has thrown the letter at Chopper and she did nothing to stop Chopper
Law has to answer a lot
They were left in the gas, but Dofla is on his way. That gas will be removed from the environment one way or another, giving everyone the chance to go back and rescue those marines.
Actually…. not just the marines.. but Brownbeard's men as well.
Neither Smoker, Brownbeard, nor Chopper would be willing to leave all those people behind. (Especially not Smoker and BB).
They will go back.. and they will rejuvenate them.
Just want to point out that Brownbeard successfully gathered his men. At least that's what I gather from the lower panel. I do wonder about some of the 4 legged centaurs though.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/66745188/14
EDIT:
Never mind got confused. They weren't rescued yet.
I expect the gas outside to be cleared out to a certain extent, but not whats inside. I'm betting on the petrified to stay there and just get blown up with the Island.
Just want to point out that Brownbeard successfully gathered his men. At least that's what I gather from the lower panel. I do wonder about some of the 4 legged centaurs though.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/66745188/14
I expect the gas outside to be cleared out to a certain extent, but not whats inside. I'm betting on the petrified to stay there and just get blown up with the Island.
Some of his men were petrified by the Shinokuni; BB didn't gather those individuals yet.
I just want an answer why she let Law changed her into a chicken harpy and who the fuck has thrown the letter at Chopper and she did nothing to stop Chopper
Law has to answer a lot
i have heard i fucked up theory out there
that monet ate 2 devil fruits 1 artificial(bird/harpie) and other real(yuki yuki no mi)
but i guess her wings were made by using her df
Dunno… I think it has to do with law for unknown reasons cuz in all flashbacks pre Law she was absolutely a normal looking human... While in the current timeline she wasn't even seen once in normal form... So it has to be change which is full time... And I just can't buy this... She just wanted to fly and wanted chicken legs as well for the lulz
@CCC:
I'm not in charge or nuffin', but I say she has to stay dead for the "dead" people to be correct.
This is correct. Though, this is One-Piece, so there most likely won't be any resurrection after the fact, thus is she is stated as dead and is so at the end of the chapter, Dead wins. However, with not dead, that has to stay the case. If Dofla shows up and she's still alive, but she dies from this wound within the that chapter or the next, dead wins. After that, Not dead wins.
Also, first post has been updated.
Some of his men were petrified by the Shinokuni; BB didn't gather those individuals yet.
Actually, Brownbeard just assumed that his men were petrified, but that wasn't confirmed true at all. We last saw them freezing outside the lab during a flashback from Caesar.
I think she's dead. A stabbed heart is some serious shit. About her true motives, in my opinion they will be revealed later on in some kind of a Vergo and Monet retrospection
She's dead no doubt about it.
I voted dead, just cos it would make more sense with all we've been shown, but presuming that DoFla's Devil Fruit REALLY is something with invisible strings (hence him cutting Oars Jr's leg and moving people like puppets) I can imagine him using his power to sow the hole in the heart back shut. And tbh, if such a move wouldn't have worked on Monet just cos she's logia, why would Ceaser have done it, thinking it was Smokers, who is also a logia…
So I guess I'm saying DEAD but wouldn't be surprised if ALIVE.
And tbh, if such a move wouldn't have worked on Monet just cos she's logia, why would Ceaser have done it, thinking it was Smokers, who is also a logia…
I suppose you've got a point there.
Voting for DEAD as well.
I say we ban everyone who is wrong.
Put me on the dead list. Could be wrong, but I'm leaning that way. Caesar meant to kill Smoker with that knife, so being a logia shouldn;t magically make her survive. Plus, it evidently harmed her … and it was a knife in the heart. She's gotta be dead, come on (Oda).
I say we ban everyone who is wrong.
I agree with this statement. Everyone who loses can just make new accounts. :ninja:
I hope she won't be dead but she might is S:
Anyway, I'll vote "not dead" xD
I voted Not Dead. My reasoning is because I don't feel like her death is necessary here. Not only that, but we don't have all the details. We only know so much of Law's or even Monet's abilities. I'll wait until Oda slaps us with a "she's dead" text before I believe she's dead.