If the World Government knew that Bonney is a survivor of the Void Century, her bounty would be way higher than 140,000,000
Chapter 684: "Stop it, Vegapunk"
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If the World Government knew that Bonney is a survivor of the Void Century, her bounty would be way higher than 140,000,000
Nico Robin is one of the only people who can read the Glyphs, and uncover ancient and forbidden histories (and the WG knows about her)–her bounty is only 80million. So...
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Yeah I agree, Paramecias are really creative and I tend to love most of them. I can stand Logias because they are all different and people use them in unique ways, while Zoans are mostly just physical based and just turn people into animals, at least early on. I hope Oda changes them a little bit, because he hasn't been introducing a lot of them. I could be wrong on this, so I hope someone would correct me, but aren't the most recently introduced Zoans just Drake, the guards from Impel Down, and Marco? Not much compared to Paramecias.
Drake, Marigold, Sandersonia, the 5 Beast Guards of Impel Down, Marco, Sengoku, Dalmatian, Onigumo, Smiley, Pekoms…
That's 14 new Zoans ever since Sabaody Archipelago. In comparison...
Bege, Bonney, Hawkins, Kid, Apoo, Urouge, Law, Hancock, Magellan, Ivankov, Inazuma, Whitebeard, Jozu, Dekken, Kinemon...
That's 15 new Paramecias ever since SA. It's actually very balanced, but Zoans seem to be more fillerish.
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Well, until it is properly explained, I wouldn't be too sure about Kinemon. Momonosuke could also be a Zoan.
Tsuru and probably some of Whitebeard's crew/alliance had unexplained Paramecia powers too.
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Yeah, all he needs to do is picking up every seastone he finds on the way to Sunny. Because, you know, seastones can be found everywhere.
Actually yes sea stone is everywhere inside that cage they were locked up in, Law just released them from sea stone chains then suddenly Franky says his going to do something with sunny and went off straight from the cage, Oda never showed him because he was probably carrying a bunch of sea stone chains. Lol.. What's with my message is too short??
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Thanks Triple C. As for the "f" word, it's not really the "f" word right, but an a equivalent that is stronger than "shi$" but less than "f" doesn't exist in english correct?
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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btw, while we're talking about zoan, there's something that i want to ask. does marco's ability to turn only parts of his body into phoenix exclusive to his DF or not? is there any other zoan users who can do that? CMIIW but i guess other zoans can only change into 3 basic forms without being able to change part of their body. monet is still not confirmed to be a zoan user so dont use her as an example.
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Thanks Triple C. As for the "f" word, it's not really the "f" word right, but an a equivalent that is stronger than "shi$" but less than "f" doesn't exist in english correct?
Meh. It's the f-word. This is a bad, bad man- certainly as bad as the baddest people in real life (yakuza, dictators, murderers) in a very heightened state of anger, shouting an emphatic expletive. When Bon Clay says it, it's "Stop fooling/messing around!" When a rage-filled villain about to blow up an island says it, it's "Stop fucking around!" Obviously the Japanese relationship with curse words is a bit different than ours, in the West, but Shonen villains really do choose to use some very bad language. Filling a script with fucks all over the place would be gratuitous, but for a few, critical moments? I think it's appropriate.
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What about Smiley/Shinokuni ?
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Ahh different kind of weapon… Smiley is a df merged with a weapon of mass detruction -a gas called Shinokuni , Funkfreed and Lasso were personal (I.E. tradional& handheld-sword, gun) weapons. So if the Bamboo is merged with a DF, it would be more like Funkfreed & Lasso than Smiley
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What about Smiley/Shinokuni ?
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oh yeah…LOL...sorry.
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I personally think the WG wants Bonney is because she's a survivor from the Void Century, and, of course, has been using her DF to keep herself young (and perhaps other Void Century survivors).
i agree, and to add…maybe she was captured once and was forced to keep the gorousei fairly young, (which are also survivors of the void century...the ones who erased it) but she just escaped and formed her own crew...i dont know, like that or something.
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Well, until it is properly explained, I wouldn't be too sure about Kinemon. Momonosuke could also be a Zoan.
Tsuru and probably some of Whitebeard's crew/alliance had unexplained Paramecia powers too.
Kinemon is Paramecia. And also one of the pirates in the war had a Zoan Weapon, and another one had an Insect Zoan.
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Kinemon is Paramecia. And also one of the pirates in the war had a Zoan Weapon, and another one had an Insect Zoan.
Epoida is a New World captain allied with Whitebeard, he is the one that has a catipillar df.
is this who you meant as 'insect" or another one?There was Rakuyo, the 7th commander of Whitebeard Pirates that has a ball and chain weapon that at some points had a face on it.
Some think it may be mechanical, but I'm leaning towards a DF.
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Kinemon is Paramecia. And also one of the pirates in the war had a Zoan Weapon, and another one had an Insect Zoan.
Somebody in another thread pointed out that what we've seen of Kinemon also lines up with the legend of the Tanuki so that would be a mythical zoan. Need more information before saying his fire abilities are linked to that or sword style. Didn't the Wano zombie Zolo fought have some fire thing going at the end of the fight?
Whitebeard's allies Epoida had a caterpillar zoan and Blamenco had chin pockets-of-holding so that'd be a paramecia. Was the wrecking ball on a chain really a df or just an effect?
On the navy side Tsuru had the wash wash fruit. Onigumi has a suspected df power with those extra sword arms coming out of his hair, but personally I've been wondering if it isn't a variation of six-powers, like Kumadori had control over his hair but more so.
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@The:
Nico Robin is one of the only people who can read the Glyphs, and uncover ancient and forbidden histories (and the WG knows about her)–her bounty is only 80million. So...
She can read them, but wasn't there at the time of these huge events, if Bonney is a survivor than she experienced it all first hand. Way more valuable than being able to read about them
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Somebody in another thread pointed out that what we've seen of Kinemon also lines up with the legend of the Tanuki so that would be a mythical zoan. Need more information before saying his fire abilities are linked to that or sword style. Didn't the Wano zombie Zolo fought have some fire thing going at the end of the fight?
Whitebeard's allies Epoida had a caterpillar zoan and Blamenco had chin pockets-of-holding so that'd be a paramecia. Was the wrecking ball on a chain really a df or just an effect?
On the navy side Tsuru had the wash wash fruit. Onigumi has a suspected df power with those extra sword arms coming out of his hair, but personally I've been wondering if it isn't a variation of six-powers, like Kumadori had control over his hair but more so.
Paramecia is linked with super powers, Zoan is linked with transorming. Kinemon didn't transform, so he is a Paramecia.
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Paramecia is linked with super powers, Zoan is linked with transorming. Kinemon didn't transform, so he is a Paramecia.
I like how all your posts are stated like absolute facts. However I also think that Kinemon has a Paramecia Fruit. But what kind of fruit would that be?
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I like how all your posts are stated like absolute facts. However I also think that Kinemon has a Paramecia Fruit. But what kind of fruit would that be?
Disguise Disguise no Mi? Could be something else - shockwaves have nothing to do with bear pows for example.
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Somebody in another thread pointed out that what we've seen of Kinemon also lines up with the legend of the Tanuki so that would be a mythical zoan. Need more information before saying his fire abilities are linked to that or sword style. Didn't the Wano zombie Zolo fought have some fire thing going at the end of the fight?
Whitebeard's allies Epoida had a caterpillar zoan and Blamenco had chin pockets-of-holding so that'd be a paramecia. Was the wrecking ball on a chain really a df or just an effect?
On the navy side Tsuru had the wash wash fruit. Onigumi has a suspected df power with those extra sword arms coming out of his hair, but personally I've been wondering if it isn't a variation of six-powers, like Kumadori had control over his hair but more so.
No its different, at one point we see Onigumo from behind….he looked as if he had the 'adomen' of a spider
manga showed it bette here
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No its different, at one point we see Onigumo from behind….he looked as if he had the 'adomen' of a spider
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100902062244/onepiece/images/5/5d/Onigumo_back.PNGMaybe its a combo of the hair control and spider zoan , but it is a spider zoan
In one of the databooks it was said that Onigumo is able to use life return, but well…databook is databook.
As for the spider, I think the manga illustrates it better:
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I think it is as you said, a combo of both.
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In one of the databooks it was said that Onigumo is able to use life return, but well…databook is databook.
As for the spider, I think the manga illustrates it better:
I think it is as you said, a combo of both.
Well if we consider the idea of the databook being right on some things, if he does have life return, it doesn't rule out a df.
lol you found the page before I could! I just now saw your page beat my update, hehe I said the same, the manga showed it better, it loooked ..a bit flat… in the anime, missing those lines on back that showed contours.
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Paramecia is linked with super powers, Zoan is linked with transorming. Kinemon didn't transform, so he is a Paramecia.
Well, in this case I think of a Mythical Zoan, which also grant "super powers". Marco could regenerate himself without being in Phoenix form too.
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Well, in this case I think of a Mythical Zoan, which also grant "super powers". Marco could regenerate himself without being in Phoenix form too.
Huh? I'm pretty sure he had to at least transform the parts which he wanted to regenerate.
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Huh? I'm pretty sure he had to at least transform the parts which he wanted to regenerate.
Well yeah, but can other Zoan users just transform parts of their body? So I'm still for a Kitsune DF with Kinemon.^^
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@Fire Fist:
Miss Valentine already had a fruit that could alter density.
The most likely fruit for Vergo I can come up with, considering everything we've seen, is a plastics DF. Yes, plastics. That would explain why stuff sticks to him, why he can harden the same object he can use as an explosive, and why he can harden himself to absorb even the strongest blows, in addition to CoA Haki.
That was only the density of herself, wasn't it? And it was more of a weight thing so she could make herself lighter or heavier etc. in this I mean harder as in will hurt mnore.. so softer and harder.
LIKE A BONER YES I SAW THAT POST BEFORE THIS ONE
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god bless our filthy minds.
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Well yeah, but can other Zoan users just transform parts of their body? So I'm still for a Kitsune DF with Kinemon.^^
Maybe you can transform partially when you really master your devil fruit. But I think a transformation, even a partial one, is necessary to activate the power of the fruit.
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Well yeah, but can other Zoan users just transform parts of their body? So I'm still for a Kitsune DF with Kinemon.^^
Kitsunes aren't mythical animals though. "Kitsune" is just the Japanese word for "Fox", but in Japanese culture, Foxes tend to be associated with mythical powers the same way we associate some animals with weird supernatural stuff (like black cats). An actual example of a well-known mythical Fox would be the Kyuubi (9-tailed Fox).
Kinemon's ability is just a reference to the mythical powers associated with a regular animal.
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OMG! Pandaman!
gotcha
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That Onigumo is a DF user is pretty damn clear after this page.
The fact that he's not touching the Kairouseki directly with his own hands must mean something.
And having a spider abdomen has little to do with Life Return. Like, nothing to do.
He`s not using the life return but the spider return:ninja:.
*STP Closes the door quietly behind him and runs before all the weapons start flying in his direction
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Originally Posted by John Adams
I have always been dissatisfied, I know that. But lately I find I reek of discontentment; it fills my throat and floods my brain. Sometimes I fear there's no longer a dream but only the discontentment.
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Maybe when Kinemon used his power (assumings he's a zoan) a tail sprouted up behind him but we just couldn't see it in the shot, and considering his character he might be ashamed of it for whatever reason and tries to hide it.
And it isn't impossible for certain zoan's to have abilities outside of transformation, Sengoku could do Shockwaves, and Marco could regenerate. As long as it fits with the mithic animal the fruit is based on its absolutely possible they can have powers outside transformation. -
CC: “Shurororo!! You morons! That’s a necessary sacrifice!!! Anyone who gets caught up in it is an idiot anyway!! We’ll blow them all away and achieve world peace!!!”
From the others translations it sounded as if Ceasar was saying that necessary sacrifices were unfortunate (in order to plead his case) to sound remorseful. That bolded part makes him seem he couldn't even hide his awfulness in trying to convince Vegapunk. Cruel Dude.
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Maybe when Kinemon used his power (assumings he's a zoan) a tail sprouted up behind him but we just couldn't see it in the shot, and considering his character he might be ashamed of it for whatever reason and tries to hide it.
And it isn't impossible for certain zoan's to have abilities outside of transformation, Sengoku could do Shockwaves, and Marco could regenerate. As long as it fits with the mithic animal the fruit is based on its absolutely possible they can have powers outside transformation.What mythical animal? Read this:
Kitsunes aren't mythical animals though. "Kitsune" is just the Japanese word for "Fox", but in Japanese culture, Foxes tend to be associated with mythical powers the same way we associate some animals with weird supernatural stuff (like black cats). An actual example of a well-known mythical Fox would be the Kyuubi (9-tailed Fox).
Kinemon's ability is just a reference to the mythical powers associated with a regular animal.
He is Paramecia.
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You know that Buddha existed, too, right? I doubt he could shoot shockwaves out of his hand^^
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You know that Buddha existed, too, right? I doubt he could shoot shockwaves out of his hand^^
Sengoku's fruit is a Buddha statue.
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Ah didn't get around to reading this chapter until now, but I have to say I liked it! Or maybe I like where the next few chapters are headed, cause CC did talk a lot in this one…
It's great how all the characters are gonna gather in that one room, it sets up the end of this arc nicely. So it's finally broadcasting time, Luffy and Momonosuke will probably solve that gas crisis somehow. Is the common idea that Momonosuke ate a dragon zoan or that he transformed because of something in the secret room? I have to say I believe he's a zoan user, because there was nothing in the secret room that we saw that could cause such a transformation.
On another note - How many punches can Vergo take? It annoys me how quickly he recovers from them and treat them like they're nothing
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Sengoku's fruit is a Buddha statue.
Yep it is a Daibatsu modeled after Buddha, neither Buddha nor the statue can shoot shockwaves out of their hands
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Yep it is a Daibatsu modeled after Buddha, neither Buddha nor the statue can shoot shockwaves out of their hands
And this is related to the topic, because …
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because it is something that exists in reality but the powers are added by Oda and since you quoted someone who said that Kinemon´s fruit can not be a mythical zoan since the fox exists in reality, too, but the powers are only mythical and thus i proved the guy who you quoted and you wrong.
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If someone is Zoan, he has to transform. If he has superpowers without transforming he is Paramecia. As simple as that. And Sengoku is an exception, not a rule.
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We have seen two mythical zoans. If one is the exception, how is the other on the rule exactly?, Marco did not have to transform, he could use the flames on his body own body.
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We have seen two mythical zoans. If one is the exception, how is the other on the rule exactly?, Marco did not have to transform, he could use the flames on his body own body.
Marco did have to transform to use his powers actually. A panel in the manga showed him getting shot by Kizaru before he had Seastone handcuffs.
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The Phoenix is a bird covered in flames (in this case blue flames) and is not the element itself (as far as i understood) but Marco could cover his human body in flames, too -> for me that is not transforming
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Yep it is a Daibatsu modeled after Buddha, neither Buddha nor the statue can shoot shockwaves out of their hands
Well, although Daibutsu is the big statue of Buddha, it literally means "Big Buddha".
You've never heard Buddha's Palm attack? Well, it's not really shock-wave attack, but it's a ranged palm attack nonetheless. (seen it on movies, lol)
Considering how Marco uses the regenerating power isn't quite standard phoenix's regeneration ability, I'd say a shock-wave palm attack is quite okay.
About the transforming-to-use-mythical-power thing, I prefer not to jump into the discussion.
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The Phoenix is a bird covered in flames (in this case blue flames) and is not the element itself (as far as i understood) but Marco could cover his human body in flames, too -> for me that is not transforming
He transformed his arms into wings, and his feet into bird feet.
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Well, although Daibutsu is the big statue of Buddha, it literally means "Big Buddha".
You've never heard Buddha's Palm attack? Well, it's not really shock-wave attack, but it's a ranged palm attack nonetheless. (seen it on movies, lol)
Considering how Marco uses the regenerating power isn't quite standard phoenix's regeneration ability, I'd say a shock-wave palm attack is quite okay.
About the transforming-to-use-mythical-power thing, I prefer not to jump into the discussion.
You do not understand what i am trying to say. Golden Daibutsu exist in reality, only the powers associated with it (like palm attack which i also saw in movies, most prominent example would be Kung Fu Hustle) are mythical. The same applies to the Kitsune which unlike the Phoenix exists in reality but is associated with mythical powers. This was just to show that you can not argue against Kinemon having a mythical Zoan just because the Kitsune exists in reality. It is of course possible that he has a Paramecia since we did not really see much but it is no way definite.
@Strelok: http://www.mangareader.net/103-48478-14/one-piece/chapter-578.html , http://www.mangareader.net/103-43538-6/one-piece/chapter-569.html
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Huh? I'm pretty sure he had to at least transform the parts which he wanted to regenerate.
No he could regenerate without transforming. The time that he couldn't regenerate (also the time people get confused with) is when he was handcuffed by Onigumo and was shot at by Kizaru. But once the cuffs were off, he was completely healed
He transformed his arms into wings, and his feet into bird feet.
He could also cover just single parts of his body with his blue flame.
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Marco did have to transform to use his powers actually. A panel in the manga showed him getting shot by Kizaru before he had Seastone handcuffs.
Yeah he was shot and immediately after SeaStone handcuffs were placed onto him. He didn't have time to heal/regenerate himself.
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You do not understand what i am trying to say. Golden Daibutsu exist in reality, only the powers associated with it (like palm attack which i also saw in movies, most prominent example would be Kung Fu Hustle) are mythical. The same applies to the Kitsune which unlike the Phoenix exists in reality but is associated with mythical powers. This was just to show that you can not argue against Kinemon having a mythical Zoan just because the Kitsune exists in reality. It is of course possible that he has a Paramecia since we did not really see much but it is no way definite.
In one of the versions of Monkey King I've watched (or read, it can be a comic book too. And there are those games too), if I'm not mistaken there was one that depicted the Buddha as giant golden statue and still uses the palm attack. I can't tell exactly which one though, there's so many of them versions. It could be one those kungfu movies/comic books too, oh well.
Regarding Kitsune, if it pleases you, it's just the wording. Kitsune fruit should be just a normal DF, so if you want a mythical fruit, just change it into Kyuubi zoan or anything that is not a common Kitsune, because Kitsune is just the Japanese word for fox.
But I really think that it's a paramecia. A mythical fox fruit should enable the user to disguise himself entirely (physically, even if it's only an illusion), not only his clothing. But so far Kinemon has a specific ability: to alter/conjure clothes. If any, a mythical fox's power is to create illusions (to disguise), not mere clothes. I'd say the fox thing (epithet, sword style) is just an animal theme for Kinemon.
And if it's really a mythical zoan, Oda would show it before his mythical power, or at least both at the same time. No sign of transformation though, even Kinemon didn't mention anything about the curse of were-kitsune or such.
But hey, if it's really to be shown to be a mythical zoan, feel free to laugh at us. For now, it's a paramecia because there's no evidence of zoan-ness.
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You do not understand what i am trying to say. Golden Daibutsu exist in reality, only the powers associated with it (like palm attack which i also saw in movies, most prominent example would be Kung Fu Hustle) are mythical. The same applies to the Kitsune which unlike the Phoenix exists in reality but is associated with mythical powers. This was just to show that you can not argue against Kinemon having a mythical Zoan just because the Kitsune exists in reality. It is of course possible that he has a Paramecia since we did not really see much but it is no way definite.
@Strelok: http://www.mangareader.net/103-48478-14/one-piece/chapter-578.html , http://www.mangareader.net/103-43538-6/one-piece/chapter-569.html
Marco has blue flames on his arms without transformingGolden Daibutsu exists, but not a person who is able to transform into it. So it's mythical.
I found a better panel showing Marco transforming:
http://i3.mangareader.net/one-piece/554/one-piece-682361.jpgHere you can clearly see he is like a Logia.
You may want a Zoan, but every evidence we have supports Paramecia.
