Cannot wait until Dame Crocodile is confirmed, shitstorm will be a magnificent sight.
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
Aha! A worthy challenger lol. But i'm afraid i must refrain from discussing this here, as it is against the forum rules.
But, I suppose you should know that.
Just know, that when you support the wrong side, justice will eventually prevail.
Indeed. I'm still wondering where to go though. :sad:
But no, I do not think any minks will join his crew. One will definitely become his ally.
I don't "perceive" private messaging.
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You mean Crocodile?
His womanhood still isn't confirmed but… yeah, he's not going to be a strawhat.
Why are you always so serious? Loosen up a bit. Please. Don't take every single post you read around here so damn seriously.
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I really don't like this major villain turning into major ally mentality. I blame DB for that.
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I really don't like this major villain turning into major ally mentality. I blame DB for that.
You mean you don't like Vegeta? Haha.
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@Helter:
Why are you always so serious? Loosen up a bit. Please. Don't take every single post you read around here so damn seriously.
Lol. You don't know me very well do you. Please, look at my avatar, and assume I'm making most of my statements with that sort of expression.
Also, please check any of the April fools threads, or the Naruto thread, or really, any thread other than this one. I've made thousands of posts over the years, most of them are silly.
You also missed the joke of getting around mentioning Monet (Who the quoted post was taking about) by mentioning woman Crocodile instead. I'm sorry if the jokes are (and I'mmaking a ton of them) are going over your head. You've been here since 2006, how do you not know some of the running gags and old arguments and ebb and flow of this place?
But to answer your question. There's plenty of room for silliness. It's encouraged even. But pure idiocy that's taken seriously, (and at length) not so much.
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My bet is on Mr. Crocodile being a former Okama, though not a native of the Kamabakka Kingdom.
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Croc was a girl, not an Okama. Its why "he" looks so feminine in the childhood picture, and why we only saw the back of "his" head in chapter 0.
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@Monkey:
I don't "perceive" private messaging.
If you want to continue this discussion please do so in the public arena.You..don't percieve…?
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That's okay though, I can teach you. You may fear not.
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"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
You..don't percieve…?
That's okay though, I can teach you. You may fear not.
Why would you teach someone to perceive an inferior desire they have let go of.
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@Monkey:
Why would you teach someone to perceive an inferior desire they have let go of.
Stupid."inferior desire". haha
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The pursuit of knowledge is not strong in this one. That would explain quite a lot…
Also, about the stuff about croc. Do we think Oda's going to actually reveal that in the story?
@Helter:
Why are you always so serious? Loosen up a bit. Please. Don't take every single post you read around here so damn seriously.
He doesn't understand how to convey what he thinks he's conveying. Fight the good fight man.
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
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Lol. You don't know me very well do you. Please, look at my avatar, and assume I'm making most of my statements with that sort of expression.
Also, please check any of the April fools threads, or the Naruto thread, or really, any thread other than this one. I've made thousands of posts over the years, most of them are silly.
You also missed the joke of getting around mentioning Monet (Who the quoted post was taking about) by mentioning woman Crocodile instead. I'm sorry if the jokes are (and I'mmaking a ton of them) are going over your head. You've been here since 2006, how do you not know some of the running gags and old arguments and ebb and flow of this place?
But to answer your question. There's plenty of room for silliness. It's encouraged even. But pure idiocy that's taken seriously, (and at length) not so much.
Robby, reading your post is pretty much half the reason I still read threads on APForums. There always silly and never get old. Now since my one post a year deal has been used, see yall next year!!
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
"inferior desire". haha
The pursuit of knowledge is not strong in this one. That would explain quite a lot…
lol at
1. Posting gif responses
2. Putting them in spoilers.
No game at all, damn.
Also typical child logic, you see one who lets go and lets flow and think them weak and lacking.
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@Monkey:
lol at
1. Posting gif responses
2. Putting them in spoilers.
No game at all, damn.
Also typical child logic, you see one who lets go and lets flow and think them weak and lacking.
Gif responses are the best!! haha, I enjoy them. The spoiler is too keep them from hogging my post
. I think you are confusing "game" and having a unique style."you see one who lets go and lets flow and think them weak and lacking": Child Logic
Letting go of particular desires is okay. That can have a purpose, but to "let go" of something important shows a lack of foresight. Messaging someone in private(when you want to have some sort of none thread related conversation) is part of your duty as a mod. Some conversations -Like this particular conversation- need to take place at the correct time and place. It's time is now and you seem to understand that. The place is not here, as Desa and many others have explained.The fact that you are unwilling to compromise shows your inability to learn, and- more importantly- you lack of desire in obtaining new knowledge.
You should work on that. Unless, as I suspect, you have an ulterior motive for wanting the conversation here.
. The power of numbers is indeed a thing.Related to the thread: I'm actually hoping the SH add another "villain" to their crew. I'm in need of someone who's not quite as pure and innocent.
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
Gif responses are the best!! haha, I enjoy them. The spoiler is too keep them from hogging my post
.Such low game christ.
I think you are confusing "game" and having a unique style.
Gif posting, let alone really weak ones are like six years old as a thing. Unique they are not.
Letting go of particular desires is okay. That can have a purpose, but to "let go" of something important shows a lack of foresight.
Private Message discussions are a rare and wonderful thing meant for kindling deeper understanding between faraway peoples and lands.
Not to be used lightly, the urge to do so and avoid the spotlight is weak and addictive.
This must be let go.Messaging someone in private(when you want to have some sort of none thread related conversation)
Non-thread? You still understand nothing.
is part of your duty as a mod.
The brown mods are in the process of transforming into red mods soon, we are already feeling out the third generation of rules.
This is beyond you and cannot be held, like the wind.The fact that you are unwilling to compromise shows your inability to learn, and- more importantly- you lack of desire in obtaining new knowledge.
Tell me.
Had Caesar failed to conquer Gaul, would western civilization as we know it have ever come to be? The shoddy incubator of the Frankish Kingdom would very likely not have come to be, and from there where would we be?Related to the thread: I'm actually hoping the SH add another "villain" to their crew. I'm in need of someone who's not quite as pure and innocent.
No one gives a shit about Monet.
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@Monkey:
The brown mods are in the process of transforming into red mods soon, we are already feeling out the third generation of rules.
This is beyond you and cannot be held, like the wind.People have no idea how hilarious this will be later. But they'll have long forgotten it by then.
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@Monkey:
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Uh oh, Monkey King attack: Quote Separation Jutsu
1. Few things are absolutely unique, including posting Gif's. However, not everyone does it regularly to communicate a point. Hince, it's a style
.2. Actually, I understand the purposes of using the forum's as a stage. I have been- and still am- using it to convey my message and change the forums for the better. What is your ulterior motive for wanting the spotlight?
3. As desa explained our conversation has no relevance to this thread. I could potentially be banned, so i'm making sure everyone understands i'm willing to have a private conversation. I trust though, that you won't let this happen and therefore will continue forward with my main goal of changing the forums for the better.
4. As Foolio explained to me(a Gold admin), "If you need to talk to the staff about something else, please use private messages". Unless you feel this relates to the thread this would be your job.
5. Your ability to argue seems heavily reliant on your ability to argue using ad hominem. Yet, that is actually considered a logical fallacy, and one of the worst ways to convey your point. Come on, you can do better I know.
6. Which gets to my point, all member(new or old) and their ideas should be treated with respect as per the forums rules.
! > - **Do NOT harass other members, not through posts, not through PMs. We will find out and you will be punished.
- We want the atmosphere of the forums to be a fun and pleasant place. Things that have the potential to lead to flame wars will be removed and the user warned.
– No racial, or prejudice slurs. Period.
– Don't be an ass/jerk. Be respective of other member's opinions.
-- No trolling, bashing, or flaming. Respect all members, their opinions, and their posts.**
This is true regardless of "Shadow rules", which-in fact- aren't rules. lol
Youre treading in dangerous water if you expect allies on this.
Related to the thread: I don't think Doflamingo will join the straw hats.
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
- We want the atmosphere of the forums to be a fun and pleasant place. Things that have the potential to lead to flame wars will be removed and the user warned.
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Dear God, Joy Boy… You are a MASTER of shitposting.
How are you not banned yet? Jesus Christ.
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@Jazzy:
Dear God, Joy Boy… You are a MASTER of shitposting.
How are you not banned yet? Jesus Christ.
Because I haven't done anything yet to deserve being banned. They could ban me, but there would be no actual reason to do so.
Lol. Monkey King has asked me to "shit post".
If you want to continue this discussion please do so in the public arena.
the urge to do so(private message) and avoid the spotlight is weak and addictive.
This must be let go.Your beef is with Monkey King lol Discuss it with him.
This is your time to join the fight, people. The inability for Mods to follow the rules of the forum, yet ban those who don't follow the rules shows the corruption in the forum ranks. If you regularly feel like you can't say what you think or that you always have to watch what you say, out of fear you're gunna get trolled, now is the time to fight back. It's time to make this forum a pleasant place to be, and not a place where it's okay to put down anyone who doesn't share your views. This will have to start at the top, with the mods. If they can't be nice, we can't expect them to enforce the same from others.
Even if you don't care, because this doesn't effect you, keep in mind that the forum needs a constant supply of new members. If new people join and feel like this place is too hostile for them to express their views, they will undoubtedly not want to post. This effects everyone and is the reason the rules of the forum are as such.
Related to the thread: I don't think any marines will join the straw hat crew.
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@Jazzy:
Dear God, Joy Boy… You are a MASTER of shitposting.
How are you not banned yet? Jesus Christ.
Because I'm not allowed to just ban people for annoying me anymore, or being dumb, when they aren't actually breaking any official rules.
But hey, show of hands from people that thinks he should go and I can probably justify it.
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Because I'm not allowed to just ban people for annoying me anymore, or being dumb, when they aren't actually breaking any official rules.
But hey, show of hands from people that thinks he should go and I can probably justify it.
I noticed you have him on ignore so just to give you an idea of the quality posts he's been making since then:
This is your time to join the fight, people. The inability for Mods to follow the rules of the forum, yet ban those who don't follow the rules shows the corruption in the forum ranks. If you regularly feel like you can't say what you think or that you always have to watch what you say, out of fear you're gunna get trolled, now is the time to fight back. It's time to make this forum a pleasant place to be, and not a place where it's okay to put down anyone who doesn't share your views. This will have to start at the top, with the mods. If they can't be nice, we can't expect them to enforce the same from others.
Even if you don't care, because this doesn't effect you, keep in mind that the forum needs a constant supply of new members. If new people join and feel like this place is too hostile for them to express their views, they will undoubtedly not want to post. This effects everyone and is the reason the rules of the forum are as such.
Related to the thread: I don't think any marines will join the straw hat crew.
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Like I mean, this is just pure unnecessary instigation of problems that don't need to exist. Discussing Monet was already pure unnecessary instigation of a conversation that has no foothold and was already wasting everyone's time (and sanity). But now it's some kind of weird ass white knighting against a problem that doesn't even exist.
I think he seriously can't comprehend that if you say dumb things, people will respond to you as if you are dumb. And I'm willing to bet that I'm going to get some kind of response somewhere along the lines of "still not getting it" and "you're trolling/raise arms my brothers".
None of this shit is relevant to anything. It's just annoying.
"Let's talk about Monet!" No one is.
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lol. You guys want to ban me because I made a few posts you don't agree with and argued your points against(agreed on some as well) them.
It's okay though, as many have mentioned to me, "resistance is futile". So I hit up the admins, to explain the situation and see if I can affect some positive change. Not usually my style but you're leaving me with little choice.
Related to thread: I think the last member should be a female, but it doesn't have to be the case.
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Haha, I see you are also part of the problem.
@Jazzy:
Discussing Monet was already pure unnecessary instigation of a conversation that has no foothold and was already wasting everyone's time (and sanity).
This is an opinion. I explained why it has some footholds, and also explained why it might not. Whether it's a waste of time or not is purely opinion, as others also brought up Monet. Clearly not everyone is in agreement.
I think he seriously can't comprehend that if you say dumb things, people will respond to you as if you are dumb. And I'm willing to bet that I'm going to get some kind of response somewhere along the lines of "still not getting it" and "you're trolling/raise arms my brothers".
But that's not allowed and will most likely result in a flame war, which has been going on for about a week now. That's why it's not allowed.
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
lol. You guys want to ban me because I made a few posts you don't agree with and argued your points against(agreed on some as well) them.
It's okay though, as many have mentioned to me, "resistance is futile". So I hit up the admins, to explain the situation and see if I can affect some positive change. Not usually my style but you're leaving me with little choice.
It's not a FEW posts. You have been spamming and somewhat derailing this thread for multiple pages. I am impartial to you being banned. I just want to continue with the speculation of the NEXT nakama. So stick to that, don't spam, and this nightmare will go in the past. Please?!
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Case-in-point.
I'm just going to go ahead and take about five or six steps back away from this thread now and watch the chaos ensue.
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It's not a FEW posts. You have been spamming and somewhat derailing this thread for multiple pages. I am impartial to you being banned. I just want to continue with the speculation of the NEXT nakama. So stick to that, don't spam, and this nightmare will go in the past. Please?!
I did stop, and Monkey king encouraged me to continue.
If you guys are tired of hearing about this than let him know your frustrations. Otherwise, I will continue trying to convince Monkey King and others they can't be disrespectful if someone has a different opinion, here in the "public arena".
Don't be scared of Monkey King, he may seem intimidating but most major villains are.
Perhaps the admins will help, I don't know them so i have no idea whether they care.
What's most interesting is that it's seems a lot of people think it's me vs. everyone. This isn't the case. Several people have pm'd me, stating they are on my side. Yet they fear publicly coming to my defense. Probably because they fear people like Monkey King harassing them.
Related to thread: No other character of a unique tribe will join the straw hats.
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
1. Few things are absolutely unique, including posting Gif's. However, not everyone does it regularly to communicate a point. Hince, it's a style
.It's a really old style that you do badly and also hide it behind things. So terrible.
2. Actually, I understand the purposes of using the forum's as a stage. I have been- and still am- using it to convey my message and change the forums for the better. What is your ulterior motive for wanting the spotlight?
same
3. As desa explained
I really don't care much about what Desa thinks one way or the other tbqh.
our conversation has no relevance to this thread. I could potentially be banned, so i'm making sure everyone understands i'm willing to have a private conversation. I trust though, that you won't let this happen and therefore will continue forward with my main goal of changing the forums for the better.
The bans are mostly done on a quota basis as per the first generation rules (which are grandfathered in over the current second gen rules on a need to know basis).
Each mod needs to ban about three people per week, it may simply be a matter of filling that quota. Don't fight what you have no control over.4. As Foolio explained to me(a Gold admin), "If you need to talk to the staff about something else, please use private messages". Unless you feel this relates to the thread this would be your job.
Foolio is silver. Which means he's in charge of designing the forums icons like the "reply" button and the check mark boxes you may have seen here and there.
He's privy to some of the laws and rules beyond the layman scope though that's true.5. Your ability to argue seems heavily reliant on your ability to argue using ad hominem.
Third Gen rules mean Ad Hominem is not a recognized fallacy on Arlongpark.net.
Yet, that is actually considered a logical fallacy, and one of the worst ways to convey your point. Come on, you can do better I know.
Not according to the "Red" rules.
6. Which gets to my point, all member(new or old) and their ideas should be treated with respect as per the forums rules.
Those are the second gen non-shadow rules. Subject to override on select first gen rules and citations, and soon to be overwritten by third gen or "Red" rules. Phase Red is being phased in by the Brown team as we speak.
You simply don't have clearance or access to fully grasp what the rules are.
As to the shadow rules those are free to all who can realize them.Also there's the "Brown Town" rules which brown stars are subject to. We have greater freedoms, but also greater responsibilities. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
This is true regardless of "Shadow rules", which-in fact- aren't rules. lol
Shadow rules override all generations and other sorts of rules except for Brown Town.
Youre treading in dangerous water if you expect allies on this.
There's so many more layers and social superstructures to this place, you really just don't know.
Related to the thread: I don't think Doflamingo will join the straw hats.
Monet will also not join the Strawhats.
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I've long since tuned out of this debate, but from a purely rational standpoint, I feel like I must come down on the side of The Rules. Not subliminal or hidden rules or anything -sorry to spoil everyones fun, but I feel like this has gone on for longer than it needs.
I.E. If Joy Boy is to be banned it must be due to infraction of the forum rules, not because people disagree with him, and many find him annoying.
So….
@Robby:Because I'm not allowed to just ban people for annoying me anymore, or being dumb, when they aren't actually breaking any official rules.
But hey, show of hands from people that thinks he should go and I can probably justify it.
Lets not turn this into a BURN THE WITCH mob-mentality show Robby. I don't agree with the vast majority of Joy Boys theories, but banning him because well, people seem to want it? We should be better than that.
@Jazzy:
Like I mean, this is just pure unnecessary instigation of problems that don't need to exist. Discussing Monet was already pure unnecessary instigation of a conversation that has no foothold and was already wasting everyone's time (and sanity). But now it's some kind of weird ass white knighting against a problem that doesn't even exist.
I think he seriously can't comprehend that if you say dumb things, people will respond to you as if you are dumb. And I'm willing to bet that I'm going to get some kind of response somewhere along the lines of "still not getting it" and "you're trolling/raise arms my brothers".
None of this shit is relevant to anything. It's just annoying.
The problem is: How do you determine that? Who gets to decide what is dumb? Majority vote? When is something "dumb enough" that we can just dispense with niceties and be crass and hostile about it, and dismiss a person outright?
Monet for nakama is a dumb idea that is never going to happen, but bringing up said idea, especially for a new poster, is not a bannable offense.Like, I'm part of the university science revue, on my fifth year. Every year we get new members who will try their hand at songs and sketches for the first time. And they will turn up with overdone clichés and ideas that were already spent a year before, and are never gonna make it into the show. But we don't go "No! We're not gonna use that idea. Its been done. End of discussion" because thats a terrible way to get new members invested; people get to argue their idea and work on it, and then have it respectfully not chosen in the end. My song about Science in Nazi Germany didn't make it last year and many disliked it, but no one stopped me from writing it, or kicked me out for writing it. Besides, theres a turnover to these things; at some point it becomes unfair to go "no, X is off the table, we did it Y years before you even joined".
Now, Joy Boy may very well have insulted all of you and your mothers as far as I know, but can we try not to ban him for "arguing an annoying theory that we thought we were done with before he joined".
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@Monkey:
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I can already see that you have changed to a more politically correct style. Progress feels good.
Monet will also not join the Strawhats.
I never said she would. I said it was possible. The distinction is important. In the grand scheme I agree that she won't join, given all the evidence. However, it's not ruled out yet.
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I don't think he is being serious.
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@Daz:
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Thank you Daz.
I also want to say that the vast majority of my beliefs are congruent with everyone else. What I have posted about though is what I feel like is not set in stone or commonly agreed upon. It's this stuff which can really be the subject of debate and discussion; As opposed to other commonly believed things which would only inspire agreement in the majority.
Regardless, harassing me because you don't agree is not okay. And not allowing me to make a thread out of a preconception my views themselves aren't worthy of a thread is insulting. I have proven my thread wasn't even read in full, therefor you can't determine it not worthy of a thread.
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I don't think he is being serious.
Monkey king? Judging from the response I got from Daz I agree.
Related to the thread: I don't think any straw hat crew members will die and be replaced.
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
I did stop, and Monkey king encouraged me to continue.
If you guys are tired of hearing about this than let him know your frustrations. Otherwise, I will continue trying to convince Monkey King and others they can't be disrespectful if someone has a different opinion, here in the "public arena".
Don't be scared of Monkey King, he may seem intimidating but most major villains are.
Perhaps the admins will help, I don't know them so i have no idea whether they care.
What's most interesting is that it's seems a lot of people think it's me vs. everyone. This isn't the case. Several people have pm'd me, stating they are on my side. Yet they fear publicly coming to my defense. Probably because they fear people like Monkey King harassing them.
Related to thread: No other character of a unique tribe will join the straw hats.
Who is afraid of Monkey King? Plenty of members have debated him. You are no different. Monkey King and the other admins are actually pretty knowledgeable about One Piece so if you are confronted then you better bring out some proof like foreshadowing, history of the One Piece world, real life contemporaries, etc. There are other "theories" that don't have "proof" but haven't been disproved that are accepted for discussion like colors of nakamas, devil fruit number, different races, mirroring of BB pirates, etc. I'm sure most if not all of this you know already so stick to that.
Look…I asked you nicely and you just ranted on giving me some fake acknowledgement. Stop with this gif argument. Stop debating Monkey King and Robby over the forum rules HERE IN THIS THREAD. Ask the admins where a thread for that is or ask them to create one and move on. If you continue it HERE I can only assume you to be a troll staying within the bounds of forum rules.
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Who is afraid of Monkey King? Plenty of members have debated him. You are no different. Monkey King and the other admins are actually pretty knowledgeable about One Piece so if you are confronted then you better bring out some proof like foreshadowing, history of the One Piece world, real life contemporaries, etc. There are other "theories" that don't have "proof" but haven't been disproved that are accepted for discussion like colors of nakamas, devil fruit number, different races, mirroring of BB pirates, etc. I'm sure most if not all of this you know already so stick to that.
Look…I asked you nicely and you just ranted on giving me some fake acknowledgement. Stop with this gif argument. Stop debating Monkey King and Robby over the forum rules HERE IN THIS THREAD. Ask the admins where a thread for that is or ask them to create one and move on. If you continue it HERE I can only assume you to be a troll staying within the bounds of forum rules.
I have done everything you just asked me to do, including providing evidence for all of my theories.
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
I have done everything you just asked me to do, including providing evidence for all of my theories.
Okay…as long as we are on the same page. Let this end. NOW. I want some actual REAL thread related discussion. Not you defending yourself for paragraphs then one sentence related to the thread.
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You're making this thread into a personal discussion that people aren't really interested in.
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Before I go on with this, just one thing I want to say. There's a point where one should stop responding to others, and it has gone long past that. Just make your point, if you feel expand on it if there is discussion value. Once you know people aren't going to listen to it, just drop it and continue on your way. So lets drop all discussion about what the rules are and any perceived injustice there is at the moment, and lets stay on topic. It's either that, or this thread might be closed again for a while, or perhaps forever. Now for the topic at hand.
A number of pages back I noticed someone saying that with Jimbei, there is still one more crewmate that needs to be filled. I have to ask where this idea has come from, cause I don't think it is necessarily true. The first one that comes to mind is how near the beginning, Luffy said ten people would be enough. So far we have Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, and then Jimbei basically confirmed at this point. That's nine crew members and then Luffy makes ten total. However, it's hard to take that part seriously, seeing how so much has changed since then. A series that was supposed to be 5 years long is going on 15 soon. Robin was originally not going to be a crew member until Oda changed his mind. Things change so much that taking that number from the first few chapters isn't one we can use to determine the number.
The other idea might be how people say Black Beard is the opposite of Luffy, and that since they are being built up as the final pirate villains that each member will take on one of the commanders. Fine idea in theory, but there is not much to go off of in my opinion. Sure, Black Beard and Luffy have the same drea, but different outlooks which makes for a good conflict between them. However, that doesn't go for the rest of the crew. Perhaps if there was more to go off of between the members we could say that each straw hat member would fight a specific person, but that doesn't seem the case. The best we can say is that Usopp is a sniper, and there is a sniper on BB crew which means they should fight each other. Even then, there isn't much conflict between the members. Both crews have a doctor, but many crews seem to have a doctor. There's nothing there to say that there has to be an equal number of straw hats to crew commanders.
So the main thing comes to will Oda have any new crew members and when will he. I stated earlier that I believe that we won't be getting any more members. One problem lately is that Oda hasn't been able to use the crew members very well for the most part. We've gotten plenty of Franky, and Usopp had a great moment in Dressrosa, but the rest are lacking. Add in that Brook has been MIA for a while and he needs more time to shine. Another thing to factor is what else Oda has to focus on at some point. We still have a number of Supernovas to learn about their backstory. Most likely we will learn more about Bonney, as there as been foreshadowing of her having great importance. Kidd most likely will have focus, seeing how he was standing with Law and Luffy and Saobody. Then we still have to learn about Devil Fruits, Dr. Vegapunk, Meet Green Bull, have arcs focused on the Yonko with build up to them, there is just so much to do to add backstory for more new characters. There's already so much and Oda seems to be having trouble focusing on the crew already, that he may decide to not add any new crew mates. He can have some new characters with quirks and wacky designs, but then have them become allies for the end of story stuff.
In the end, Oda could weave a new character with backstory in for an arc, and then have them join. The main problem is there hasn't been any indication of having a newly introduced character joining for a while. We had Jimbei and now it has been silent for a while. If we don't get a new possible crew mate in the next arc or two, I have doubts that Oda ever intends to have a new crew mate. Then again, as with Robin, he could decide to make a character into a crew mate. It depends on what he decides to do and how he feels about how things are going now as far as crew dynamic is concerned.
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Okay…as long as we are on the same page. Let this end. NOW. I want some actual REAL thread related discussion. Not you defending yourself for paragraphs then one sentence related to the thread.
The problem is that I have been trolled repeatedly by Monkey King and Robby, for my views about "Monet for Nakama". Robby has muted me and Monkey King is refusing to PM me. I have no place to have this discussion privately. The trolling has got to stop, and since Monkey King wants me to converse about it here, and not via PM, thats what I have been doing.
If they stop trolling me, I have no reason to complain about it, and therefore can desist. Daz commenting and my message to the Admins may prove helpful. I'll wait to see if/ how Monkey King responds, but if he continues to try and justify his actions, I will do the same. If not, it will end. It's Monkey Kings decision. If you want this to end, as I said B4, convince Monkey King(and others) that it's not okay to troll/ harass people even if you think they are dumb. That is all i'm doing here.
I can't stop till the problem is solved.
You're making this thread into a personal discussion that people aren't really interested in.
I'm not necessarily doing that, I have stated i'm willing to discuss it privately. Again, Monkey King is forcing my hand.
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So…I see we are bringing up possible nakamas pre-timeskip. I think I read transgender Crocodile and Enel. Aren't both of those murderers that we as readers saw in the manga? Robin doesn't count as a counterpoint as we didn't see her actually kill someone...did we?:blink:
Plus I doubt we get two nakamas from the same overarching arc in Robin and Crocodile. Plus Crocodile and Chopper have same first letter in first name.
Enel would make for an excellent lookout though. Telescope would make sense for him sense he actually has been to space. I think now that the Monster Trio knows haki they may ALL be able to beat him one on one...but that is debatable. I don't think he will join but he would put the Strawhats over the top. He can protect them from the skies. Jinbe protects them in the sea. Shame he has blonde hair like Sanji
Edit:Plus one of his quirks could be rapping
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@The:
Before I go on with this, just one thing I want to say. There's a point where one should stop responding to others, and it has gone long past that. Just make your point, if you feel expand on it if there is discussion value. Once you know people aren't going to listen to it, just drop it and continue on your way. So lets drop all discussion about what the rules are and any perceived injustice there is at the moment, and lets stay on topic. It's either that, or this thread might be closed again for a while, or perhaps forever. Now for the topic at hand.
In a debate, a resolution should be reached. This could be complete agreement or understanding where the differences in opinion can not be counseled. I have never argued past that point with any forum member.
A number of pages back I noticed someone saying that with Jimbei, there is still one more crewmate that needs to be filled. I have to ask where this idea has come from, cause I don't think it is necessarily true.
The idea is that it's 10 nakama(friends) therefore Luffy shouldn't have counted himself. So, that would make 11 total crew mates.
The other idea might be how people say Black Beard is the opposite of Luffy, and that since they are being built up as the final pirate villains that each member will take on one of the commanders. Fine idea in theory, but there is not much to go off of in my opinion. Sure, Black Beard and Luffy have the same drea, but different outlooks which makes for a good conflict between them. However, that doesn't go for the rest of the crew. Perhaps if there was more to go off of between the members we could say that each straw hat member would fight a specific person, but that doesn't seem the case. The best we can say is that Usopp is a sniper, and there is a sniper on BB crew which means they should fight each other. Even then, there isn't much conflict between the members. Both crews have a doctor, but many crews seem to have a doctor. There's nothing there to say that there has to be an equal number of straw hats to crew commanders.
I don't think the SH crew have to be opposites of the BB crew. It might end up the case - we just don't know enough about the BB crew- but I can't really see any theme that would suggest they would have to be opposite.
So the main thing comes to will Oda have any new crew members and when will he. I stated earlier that I believe that we won't be getting any more members. One problem lately is that Oda hasn't been able to use the crew members very well for the most part. We've gotten plenty of Franky, and Usopp had a great moment in Dressrosa, but the rest are lacking. Add in that Brook has been MIA for a while and he needs more time to shine. Another thing to factor is what else Oda has to focus on at some point. We still have a number of Supernovas to learn about their backstory. Most likely we will learn more about Bonney, as there as been foreshadowing of her having great importance. Kidd most likely will have focus, seeing how he was standing with Law and Luffy and Saobody. Then we still have to learn about Devil Fruits, Dr. Vegapunk, Meet Green Bull, have arcs focused on the Yonko with build up to them, there is just so much to do to add backstory for more new characters. There's already so much and Oda seems to be having trouble focusing on the crew already, that he may decide to not add any new crew mates. He can have some new characters with quirks and wacky designs, but then have them become allies for the end of story stuff.
I agree, but as I said the interpretation is 11 straw hats. Perhaps Oda meant only 10, though, there is evidence to suggest that might be the case as you have mentioned.
In the end, Oda could weave a new character with backstory in for an arc, and then have them join. The main problem is there hasn't been any indication of having a newly introduced character joining for a while. We had Jimbei and now it has been silent for a while. If we don't get a new possible crew mate in the next arc or two, I have doubts that Oda ever intends to have a new crew mate. Then again, as with Robin, he could decide to make a character into a crew mate. It depends on what he decides to do and how he feels about how things are going now as far as crew dynamic is concerned.
I completely agree. Outside of some speculation on Monet that has it's share of holes, there is no one that really fits. Kin'emon has the best chance as of right now, because we don't know where he stands in regards to his homeland, and if he has any unique dream that would make him a suitable long term SH.
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
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@Daz:
The problem is: How do you determine that? Who gets to decide what is dumb? Majority vote? When is something "dumb enough" that we can just dispense with niceties and be crass and hostile about it, and dismiss a person outright?
Monet for nakama is a dumb idea that is never going to happen, but bringing up said idea, especially for a new poster, is not a bannable offense.Admittedly, there's no way I can argue that being crass or rude is justifiable in regards to dumb posts. So basically you're right and that's pretty much the end of the conversation.
But in this case it's completely de-railed the entire thread and has basically made this thread become "Come watch frustrated members lose their patience as Joy Boy preaches from his pedestal on high". Frustration makes people rude and rudeness isn't acceptable in any scenario, you are correct. But I wouldn't think needlessly stirring the masses, arguing for the sake of argument and not for the sake of any kind of constructive discussion (he literally admits that Monet probably won't join the crew on this very page!), hiding behind the rules but still provoking hostile responses with snide remarks thinly veiled behind irrelevant gifs would be protected under the rules either. It just seems like a lot of needless spamming.
To be frank, everyone is at fault here for something save for a (very few) handful of posters that have remained reasonable throughout. Neither side has been constructive, this thread has just (as it usually does) devolved into a cesspool of non-constructive garbage.
But I do apologize for being a part of the problem. Personally, I think a thread ban would have been fair though. A full ban would have been a bit much.
Like, I'm part of the university science revue, on my fifth year. Every year we get new members who will try their hand at songs and sketches for the first time. And they will turn up with overdone clichés and ideas that were already spent a year before, and are never gonna make it into the show. But we don't go "No! We're not gonna use that idea. Its been done. End of discussion" because thats a terrible way to get new members invested; people get to argue their idea and work on it, and then have it respectfully not chosen in the end. My song about Science in Nazi Germany didn't make it last year and many disliked it, but no one stopped me from writing it, or kicked me out for writing it. Besides, theres a turnover to these things; at some point it becomes unfair to go "no, X is off the table, we did it Y years before you even joined".
Now, Joy Boy may very well have insulted all of you and your mothers as far as I know, but can we try not to ban him for "arguing an annoying theory that we thought we were done with before he joined".
Holy crap, a song about the Science of Nazi Germany? >_>
Now Daz, I actually respect you so I apologize if this at all sounds condescending, I swear I'm not intending for it to sound this way but… What inspired you to come up with that idea? I'm legitimately curious.
Again... not trying to sound condescending.~
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Robin doesn't count as a counterpoint as we didn't see her actually kill someone…did we?:blink:
Plus I doubt we get two nakamas from the same overarching arc in Robin and Crocodile.
Enel..
Nope! Didn't see Robin kill anyone. However, we haven't seen many total deaths in OP at all as Robby has pointed out in the past.
Agree about the Crocodile comment, solid point! Also, I don't think crocodile fits for other reason.
I love Enel haha he's such an interesting and badass looking character. I hope he returns to the story.
@Jazzy:
Admittedly, there's no way I can argue that being crass or rude is justifiable in regards to dumb posts. So basically you're right and that's pretty much the end of the conversation.
Thats all i'm saying.
But in this case it's completely de-railed the entire thread and has basically made this thread become "Come watch frustrated members lose their patience as Joy Boy preaches from his pedestal on high". Frustration makes people rude and rudeness isn't acceptable in any scenario, you are correct. But I wouldn't think needlessly stirring the masses, arguing for the sake of argument and not for the sake of any kind of constructive discussion (he literally admits that Monet probably won't join the crew on this very page!), hiding behind the rules but still provoking hostile responses with snide remarks thinly veiled behind irrelevant gifs would be protected under the rules either. It just seems like a lot of needless spamming.
It wasn't needless. People were rude before I did anything that can be interpreted as spamming, and i'm working towards getting that to stop. I'm not hiding behind rules, i'm explaining that people aren't following them and why it's important to do so. I don't argue just to argue. I argue in order to explain why I believe something true.
To be frank, everyone is at fault here for something save for a (very few) handful of posters that have remained reasonable throughout. Neither side has been constructive, this thread has just (as it usually does) devolved into a cesspool of non-constructive garbage.
I feel I have been constructive, and reasonable throughout(minus some lapses in some posts, which I attribute to Monkey King further trying to disrespect me and say that i'm not justified). I just don't think a lot of posters understand what i'm saying and why i'm saying it. Regardless, let's rectify this.
But I do apologize for being a part of the problem. Personally, I think a thread ban would have been fair though. A full ban would have been a bit much.
Thx, i'm not the type to hold grudges and i'm hopeful other's aren't as well. Again though, there's no reason to ban me from the thread. I wasn't the one who was forcing the conversation to take place here, it was Monkey King. Even if I was banned from this thread, I would have had to use another one in which Monkey King had commented on to discuss this, because he won't PM me.
Now Daz, I actually respect you so I apologize if this at all sounds condescending, I swear I'm not intending for it to sound this way but…
As Daz and I have said, you should outwardly respect all members. Otherwise you get what you see happened here.
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
In a debate, a resolution should be reached. This could be complete agreement or understanding where the differences in opinion can not be counseled. I have never argued past that point with any forum member.
The idea is that it's 10 nakama(friends) therefore Luffy shouldn't have counted himself. So, that would make 11 total crew mates.
I understand the idea is 10 nakama plus Luffy (my fault for not making that clear). I was wondering where that idea has come from. If it was from the time Luffy said 10 crew members would be enough, that was way too long ago to keep it in consideration, especially considering how things changed throughout the series for Oda.
I don't think the SH crew have to be opposites of the BB crew. It might end up the case - we just don't know enough about the BB crew- but I can't really see any theme that would suggest they would have to be opposite.
It's true that we don't know enough, but it seems like people think that because Black Beard has ten commanders, Luffy must have 10 nakama. Not enough information on them to say one way or another as you said.
I agree, but as I said the interpretation is 11 straw hats. Perhaps Oda meant only 10, though, there is evidence to suggest that might be the case as you have mentioned.
Like I said before, Oda has changed certain things up quite a bit. The major stuff I believe is the same, but a number of things has changed. Who knows if he decided to have more or less crew members over time, then decided he wanted a certain kind of character in the crew. This is something only Oda would really know
I completely agree. Outside of some speculation on Monet that has it's share of holes, there is no one that really fits. Kin'emon has the best chance as of right now, because we don't know where he stands in regards to his homeland, and if he has any unique dream that would make him a suitable long term SH.
I don't recall what Kinemon has for a dream. The harder thing to take is that we never had a character who was with the group for multiple arcs before becoming a crew mate. Sure, we didn't learn about Robins past until another arc, but she didn't go on multiple adventures before coming a mate. The closest one I would say being like a crew mate is Law, but he isn't going to become an official one.
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Shut the fuck up
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You can count it as my hand raising Robby -
I am still of firm belief that if someone else joins their role will be important. As I have stated recently one's role connects to one's dream. No general role will be coming especially with prominent roles like helmsman, lookout, and cabin boy:ninja: still not filled.
I started playing Assassins Creed 4: Black Flag recently (I know I'm late) and a good helmsman seems to be really important. Granted it is not that hard to steer in the game but that is in NORMAL simulated weather. There isn't multiple tornadoes, fire on water, Sea Kings, mountain sized tidal waves, or pretty much whatever your imagination can think of bound by One Piece logic. I don't know if Franky or anyone else can steer well enough even following Nami's guidance or with Jinbe helping control the waves to not crash the ship when things get really rough. Plus Burgess is a helmsman which would support those who believe in the BB mirroring Strawhats theory.
Lookout I have no clue how that can be filled. Only the past with Luffy and Usopp telling Zoro and Robin they are bad lookouts which seems to point that a good lookout is actually something Luffy wants. Luffy usually gets what he wants (where is his bronze statue in his boat?) but perhaps Usopp could fill that role. He would be a good lookout…though maybe not the lookout Luffy would want because Usopp would try to avoid the dangerous looking islands and creatures.
I hope it is 12 members instead of the aforementioned 11. Then both roles can be in crew. But I understand the whole need to develop the other crewmates who haven't got enough screen time. :sad:
PS: Oda's love for football(soccer) is another reason the 11 total crewmates is believed to maybe be true.
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@The:
I understand the idea is 10 nakama plus Luffy (my fault for not making that clear). I was wondering where that idea has come from. If it was from the time Luffy said 10 crew members would be enough, that was way too long ago to keep it in consideration, especially considering how things changed throughout the series for Oda.
Oh, okay aha ya, it was because Luffy said 10 early in the series. A lot of people just see that as foreshadowing. It doesn't make it true though. If you're asking why we think it's 10+ Luffy, that has to do with logical reasoning about how someone would say how many crewmates they wanted. Usually, someone wouldn't include themselves.
It's true that we don't know enough, but it seems like people think that because Black Beard has ten commanders, Luffy must have 10 nakama. Not enough information on them to say one way or another as you said.
Ya, a lot of people here claim that their opinion are fact, but, ultimately, any speculation on the future could be-at best-extremely likely. I Just think BB, as the final singular villian for Luffy(I don't think they will fight him last, imo that would be the World Government as a whole. I think Luffy will fight the WG after he becomes the Pirate King and that defeating Blackbeard would be the last obstacle before finding the OP and offically becoming the Pirate King) would have to showcase the straw hats "final forms". Which is to say, "this is the result of 25 years of manga". That would be best done if each SH had a legit enemy to fight 1 vs. 1. It's not fact, but it makes sense.
Like I said before, Oda has changed certain things up quite a bit. The major stuff I believe is the same, but a number of things has changed. Who knows if he decided to have more or less crew members over time, then decided he wanted a certain kind of character in the crew. This is something only Oda would really know
I've often wondered how much of OP was already decided when Oda wrote the first chapter, and what has changed. One thing that I know was added after the fact was that Oda originally hadn't intended for the Going Merry to "die". I'm of the opinion that the Sunny is pluton for various reasons, so I wonder if Oda added the ancient weapons after he wrote chapter one. I don't know if we will ever find out. =[
I don't recall what Kinemon has for a dream. The harder thing to take is that we never had a character who was with the group for multiple arcs before becoming a crew mate. Sure, we didn't learn about Robins past until another arc, but she didn't go on multiple adventures before coming a mate. The closest one I would say being like a crew mate is Law, but he isn't going to become an official one.
Ya, kin'emon hasn't had any dream revealed yet. Other themes suggest that if he were to have one we would already know… but as you say, its possible Oda has switched it up. He may be similar to Vivi, with his ultimate role taking place in the Wano kingdom before leaving the SH pirates.
Shut the fuck up
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You can count it as my hand raising RobbyNow, this guy is the one deserving of a ban. He is actually breaking forum rules and causing problems.
I am still of firm belief that if someone else joins their role will be important. As I have stated recently one's role connects to one's dream. No general role will be coming especially with prominent roles like helmsman, lookout, and cabin boy:ninja: still not filled.
PS: Oda's love for football(soccer) is another reason the 11 total crewmates is believed to maybe be true.
Wasn't Franky called the Helmsman by some OP document? What was the verdict on that?
Luffy definitely needs a cabin boy haha, but I wonder what role a cabin boy would have in battle… i'm not sure.
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
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I am still of firm belief that if someone else joins their role will be important. As I have stated recently one's role connects to one's dream. No general role will be coming especially with prominent roles like helmsman, lookout, and cabin boy:ninja: still not filled.
I started playing Assassins Creed 4: Black Flag recently (I know I'm late) and a good helmsman seems to be really important. Granted it is not that hard to steer in the game but that is in NORMAL simulated weather. There isn't multiple tornadoes, fire on water, Sea Kings, mountain sized tidal waves, or pretty much whatever your imagination can think of bound by One Piece logic. I don't know if Franky or anyone else can steer well enough even following Nami's guidance or with Jinbe helping control the waves to not crash the ship when things get really rough. Plus Burgess is a helmsman which would support those who believe in the BB mirroring Strawhats theory.
Lookout I have no clue how that can be filled. Only the past with Luffy and Usopp telling Zoro and Robin they are bad lookouts which seems to point that a good lookout is actually something Luffy wants. Luffy usually gets what he wants (where is his bronze statue in his boat?) but perhaps Usopp could fill that role. He would be a good lookout…though maybe not the lookout Luffy would want because Usopp would try to avoid the dangerous looking islands and creatures.
I hope it is 12 members instead of the aforementioned 11. Then both roles can be in crew. But I understand the whole need to develop the other crewmates who haven't got enough screen time. :sad:
PS: Oda's love for football(soccer) is another reason the 11 total crewmates is believed to maybe be true.
I see where you coming with the helmsman, but a few problems I see with that. We've had a lot of story time where they've come to some crazy situations in the water and got through fine. With the lack of sea focus and usually islands having more crazy aspects, I don't see a helmsman needing to be necessary. Plus, Franky seems to have implemented certain systems, so he probably knows how to best handle the ship. I feel that Look out might be negated with a few of the crew having CoO. Plus Jimbe could swim and get a better look of the surroundings.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
Oh, okay aha ya, it was because Luffy said 10 early in the series. A lot of people just see that as foreshadowing. It doesn't make it true though. If you're asking why we think it's 10+ Luffy, that has to do with logical reasoning about how someone would say how many crewmates they wanted. Usually, someone wouldn't include themselves.
Ya, a lot of people here claim that their opinion are fact, but, ultimately, any speculation on the future could be-at best-extremely likely. I Just think BB, as the final singular villian for Luffy(I don't think they will fight him last, imo that would be the World Government as a whole. I think Luffy will fight the WG after he becomes the Pirate King and that defeating Blackbeard would be the last obstacle before finding the OP and offically becoming the Pirate King) would have to showcase the straw hats "final forms". Which is to say, "this is the result of 25 years of manga". That would be best done if each SH had a legit enemy to fight 1 vs. 1. It's not fact, but it makes sense.
I've often wondered how much of OP was already decided when Oda wrote the first chapter, and what has changed. One thing that I know was added after the fact was that Oda originally hadn't intended for the Going Merry to "die". I'm of the opinion that the Sunny is pluton for various reasons, so I wonder if Oda added the ancient weapons after he wrote chapter one. I don't know if we will ever find out. =[
Ya, kin'emon hasn't had any dream revealed yet. Other themes suggest that if he were to have one we would already know… but as you say, its possible Oda has switched it up. He may be similar to Vivi, with his ultimate role taking place in the Wano kingdom before leaving the SH pirates.
Now, this guy is the one deserving of a ban. He is actually breaking forum rules and causing problems.
Wasn't Franky called the Helmsman by some OP document? What was the verdict on that?
Luffy definitely needs a cabin boy haha, but I wonder what role a cabin boy would have in battle... i'm not sure.
I think this will be the case, but that doesn't mean that there needs to be an actual 1:1 fight for all the BB commanders. I could possibly see San Juan Wolf being the one not fighting a straw hat, as he would need many to take him down (I believe it was stated it took fleets of ships to take him down.
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@The:
I think this will be the case, but that doesn't mean that there needs to be an actual 1:1 fight for all the BB commanders. I could possibly see San Juan Wolf being the one not fighting a straw hat, as he would need many to take him down (I believe it was stated it took fleets of ships to take him down.
For sure, haha. If there was 1 that they wouldn't have to fight it would be him, I agree. I'm not even sure who would be a suitable matchup for him, except for Luffy's new armada?
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@Joy_Boy's_Will:
Now, this guy is the one deserving of a ban. He is actually breaking forum rules and causing problems.
Yeah you are right
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@The:
A number of pages back I noticed someone saying that with Jimbei, there is still one more crewmate that needs to be filled. I have to ask where this idea has come from, cause I don't think it is necessarily true. The first one that comes to mind is how near the beginning, Luffy said ten people would be enough.
English translations will vary, but the legitimate ones going off the japanese original have Luffy say he wanted ten FRIENDS, not just "ten total".
Blackbeard's group now has 10, plus BB. (But not counting Stronger the horse.)
Oda loves soccer and he's made references to the Strawhats being such a team, and soccer has 11 players.
It was confirmed in some interview recently (databook? I forget) that "two will join in fast succession."
There's other stuff but those are the highlights off the top of my head.
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@Mr.:
Ah, how I forget those details. Appreciate it.
It's still deliberately very ambiguous. According to a long ago post in the Inspirations thread Croc may be based on a video game character who was a warrior 'with the soul of a woman'.
Personally I think it would be amazing if Croc did change his original gender and his life story totally deserves it's own book.On the other hand it would be hilarious if he was a repressed okama (who finally transitions from current not-enemy to ally by bonding with the secret okama many believe Sanji to be). It would be great if we finally get some kind of comedy out of his dead-pan looks.
But there's a long way to go yet before we find out.
