There is no hope… Clear as hell that he won't join
Yea, no shit. I wish Oda would switch patterns sometime if only to make certain things a bit less predictable…
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I feel like Bartolomeo is more of the Hancock of this arc than a Bentham. An obvious supporter of Luffy who will be devoted to him forever but won't actually join the crew due to being too much of a massive fanboy. He's better off as an extremely devoted ally.
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I feel like Bartolomeo is more of the Hancock of this arc than a Bentham. An obvious supporter of Luffy who will be devoted to him forever but won't actually join the crew due to being too much of a massive fanboy. He's better off as an extremely devoted ally.
I'm sure in the sense of his Character he would join at the drop of a hat - there would need to be a different reason like him being unable to speak when Luffy asked him to join the crew and Luffy thinking he doesn't want to because he can't speak and then leaving.
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Again, that's not what I've said. They are drawn without much detail and thought besides Beppo and Jean-Bart. Kid and Blackbeard are examples of having a crew that is fleshed out to rival the Straw Hats. Bottom line is that we don't know if Law will be a rival in the future or an ally. You say he will stay Luffy's rival, I say he won't. Stop jumping to conclusions based on vague similarities.
There's also Penguin and sachi( the two other dudes that didn't faint when they were blasted by Ray).
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Why would she bother rebuilding her country? She already made it clear she doesn't give a fuck about her country at all.
Shewould stay because her father gave so much fuck about thecountry that he died for it.
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I'm sure in the sense of his Character he would join at the drop of a hat - there would need to be a different reason like him being unable to speak when Luffy asked him to join the crew and Luffy thinking he doesn't want to because he can't speak and then leaving.
That situation would fit Bart the best. xD
Luffy seems to find Bart annoying, so I don't see him inviting him to join the crew anyways.
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There's also Penguin and sachi( the two other dudes that didn't faint when they were blasted by Ray).
Which confirms Law's crew is not fodder. Oda has yet to fully explain every person in his crew.
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That situation would fit Bart the best. xD
Luffy seems to find Bart annoying, so I don't see him inviting him to join the crew anyways.
I didn't think they had interacted - besides I would have thought Luffy would find him more funny than not.
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I didn't think they had interacted - besides I would have thought Luffy would find him more funny than not.
He'd pretty useless if he fainted every time Luffy looked at him.
Knowing Luffy's he'd get annoyed with the constant fainting. Almost like Sanji's nosebleed situation.
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Its not a pattern if in order to make it work you have to cut out the main character, ignore Vivi and Carue, shuffle the order around of the "sets", and make up at least one character that doesn't exist yet while makign assumption on Jinbe's joining time.
Check out this:
Yet, in each sea we got 4 new nakama each, following by pattern male/female/male/male.
I think there might be also a strength pattern, as shown above.
This would split crew into Monster Trio, Strong Trio, Mid Trio and Weak Trio.
Luffy won't take part in any of those trios.You're amking up a pattern that doesn't exist. Not to mention the strong weak mid thing makes no sense? Or that Jinbe will most certainly be in the "strong" category, as would Franky? And assuming a crew total of 13 when its generally agreed that it will be 11?
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Hmm, true that, they might have powered up.
Maybe I'm totally in the wrong here but it just seems like Oda gives less attention to the crews of less important supernova's, Law's crew is not as bad as most supernova crews, but still. Scratchmen Apoo for example, there's not a single unique character in his crew that I can recall. They look like fodder in the sense of less detail and are mainly used to show off their captain's personality and reactions. While Kid for example has quite a few recognizable crewmembers eventhough most barely get screen time at the moment.
Kid has The dude with a mask, The fire-breathing freak, and the dress-like-a-devil big fork wielder. All able to wistand Rayleigh blast without flinching(as far as we know). That makes at least 3 valuable guy.
Law has The bear, The guy with the pengouin hat, the other dude in white and the big-ass ex-slave. The bear and Pengouin hat were fine after Rayleigh and the white dressed one flinched. 2 valuable guy and 1 questionable one. You make what you want of ex-slave but I classify him valuable.
I think we saw a distinctive guy talk to Urouge. Can't remember for the rest.
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Its not a pattern if in order to make it work you have to cut out the main character, ignore Vivi and Carue, shuffle the order around of the "sets", and make up at least one character that doesn't exist yet while makign assumption on Jinbe's joining time.
You're amking up a pattern that doesn't exist. Not to mention the strong weak mid thing makes no sense? Or that Jinbe will most certainly be in the "strong" category, as would Franky? And assuming a crew total of 13 when its generally agreed that it will be 11?
I always wonder… Do you have some sort of patern which makes a character elligable as a crewmate or do you analyse each character on a case by case basis?
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I don't think Luffy is annoyed by Bart at all tbh. Luffy probably already considers them friends. Bart was a real Bro back when they were in the colosseum.
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I don't think Luffy is annoyed by Bart at all tbh. Luffy probably already considers them friends. Bart was a real Bro back when they were in the colosseum.
if anything Luffy just thinks he's a big weirdo lol
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I always wonder… Do you have some sort of patern which makes a character elligable as a crewmate or do you analyse each character on a case by case basis?
There is no pattern. Aside from "has a dream that can only be fullfilled by travelling with Luffy." Oda isn't hindering his writing down to that level, writing doesn't work that way, and he's certainly not doing any stupid boy boy girl boy boy boy (girl duck) girl boy boy boy girl boy boy thing or divying up by ocean pattern. (There MAY be something to all the numbers being character names now, but probably wasn't planned. Soccer team, yes.)
But at this point in Oda's level of style and art design, the character having an instantly distinct design is pretty key. If they don't have at least 3 unique traits to them on sight, Oda probably didn't spend enough time thinking about their design for them to be potential guys for the next 10-15 years.
When we see a serious new candidate, we'll know them pretty quickly visually. But if you can't look at a character and say three inique things abotu them then… stop considering them.
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There is no pattern. Aside from "has a dream that can only be fullfilled by travelling with Luffy." Oda isn't hindering his writing down to that level, writing doesn't work that way, and he's certainly not doing any stupid boy boy girl boy boy boy (girl duck) girl boy boy boy girl boy boy thing or divying up by ocean pattern. (There MAY be something to all the numbers being character names now, but probably wasn't planned. Soccer team, yes.)
But at this point in Oda's level of style and art design, the character having an instantly distinct design is pretty key. If they don't have at least 3 unique traits to them on sight, Oda probably didn't spend enough time thinking about their design for them to be potential guys for the next 10-15 years.
When we see a serious new candidate, we'll know them pretty quickly visually. But if you can't look at a character and say three inique things abotu them then… stop considering them.
Thanks for the reply. So many people try to get a pattern that I wanted to have your opinion on this.
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After reading the past ten pages, all I can say is 'I love you Robby, and your logic' =).
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Robby and his Loggy.
We all love it.
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There's also Penguin and sachi( the two other dudes that didn't faint when they were blasted by Ray).
Point is, the design of those guys make it seem they aren't gonna be a worthwhile rival fighting wise. They pretty much look like fodder with a hat on with a bit of personality. If anything they seem like the Johnny and Yosaku of the heart pirates.
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Point is, the design of those guys make it seem they aren't gonna be a worthwhile rival fighting wise. They pretty much look like fodder with a hat on with a bit of personality. If anything they seem like the Johnny and Yosaku of the heart pirates.
Merely surviving Rayleigh blast should mean otherwise
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Merely surviving Rayleigh blast should mean otherwise
It merely means showing that the heart pirates are a noteworthy crew. A lot of fodder crew from Hody resisted a haki blast as well, nothing to see there. The design of them is what gives away that they won't be quick to feature in any significant one on one battle. Even relative weak characters like Blue Gilly have a clear design and he might as well be a lot weaker than Penguin and Shachi. Just compare them to Beppo and Jean Bart for example or any of the coliseum fighters that are still after Doffy. I honestly can't think of any character that has as simple a design as Penguin and Shachi that has fought in a significant battle.
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I will repost this
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Make me happy Oda… For once since the Punk Hazard :cwy:
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@Light:
What is loggy and do I want to know?
I think it's a way to make logic rhyme with Robby.
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if anything Luffy just thinks he's a big weirdo lol
Thats true. lol. I really wouldn't mind getting Bart in the crew at all tbh. The guy would fit right in amongst that band of weirdos.
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@Light:
What is loggy and do I want to know?
His undeniable and relentless logic.
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Thats true. lol. I really wouldn't mind getting Bart in the crew at all tbh. The guy would fit right in amongst that band of weirdos.
First he'd need to overcome his fainting problem.
Though I anticipate him to suffer a heart attack if Luffy ever asked him to join.
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First he'd need to overcome his fainting problem.
Though I anticipate him to suffer a heart attack if Luffy ever asked him to join.
Chopper is experienced from having to treat Sanji, so that might help
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Barto is a really likable character. But he has a major issue. He is acting as a strawhat only when the strawhats aren't around.
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Barto is a really likable character. But he has a major issue. He is acting as a strawhat only when the strawhats aren't around.
Thats a good thing isn't it? Besides he seems to fit in perfectly already, being funny as a fanboy while wanting to protect them and do everything for them at the same time. Kinda like how Sanji acts towards Nami and Robin, but towards every strawhat. Too bad he will probably be to the strawhats what Hancock is to Luffy.
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Besides he seems to fit in perfectly already
This is the problem. He doesn't, really. On the periphery, Barto's a great character. He's easily the best thing of Dressrosa. But having those quirks is entertaining because he's more of an ally character. If he was on the ship all the time it would get old. Quick. His biggest character trait is fanboy to the Strawhats, joining the ship and graduating to full time Strawhat would essentially diminish his character.
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This is the problem. He doesn't, really. On the periphery, Barto's a great character. He's easily the best thing of Dressrosa. But having those quirks is entertaining because he's more of an ally character. If he was on the ship all the time it would get old. Quick. His biggest character trait is fanboy to the Strawhats, joining the ship and graduating to full time Strawhat would essentially diminish his character.
I don't think it would, not in my view at least. All strawhats' quirks can get old. I'd see him in the same way as Sanji acts towards women, that fanboy mode doesn't have to be on 24/7. It would get just as old as Sanji's women loving behaviour, Brooks 'no bones' jokes, Zoro and Sanji's going back and forth etc. Those aren't going on every moment either.
But to each their own I guess, it's not like it's gonna happen anyway…
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I don't think it would, not in my view at least. All strawhats' quirks can get old. I'd see him in the same way as Sanji acts towards women, that fanboy mode doesn't have to be on 24/7. It would get just as old as Sanji's women loving behaviour, Brooks 'no bones' jokes, Zoro and Sanji's going back and forth etc. Those aren't going on every moment either.
But to each their own I guess, it's not like it's gonna happen anyway…
You're right, it doesn't have to be on 24/7. But considering how he can't even look at Luffy or speak to him properly without bursting into tears, I don't think it's going away anytime soon. The difference is all those characters have more than just their quirks going on. Barto is basically just his quirk, cause we haven't seen too much of him aside from that. We have seen a few things about his character earlier in the arc, but everything about him screams "ally" instead of "straw hat potential".
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You're right, it doesn't have to be on 24/7. But considering how he can't even look at Luffy or speak to him properly without bursting into tears, I don't think it's going away anytime soon. The difference is all those characters have more than just their quirks going on. Barto is basically just his quirk, cause we haven't seen too much of him aside from that. We have seen a few things about his character earlier in the arc, but everything about him screams "ally" instead of "straw hat potential".
Yes, I'm well aware that he's the Boa Hancock of this arc, which I stated in the other post you quoted, but that's besides the point of him fitting in. Other than the quirks, he's the annoying guy noone likes and everyone boos aka the most annoying pirate (colosseum). His personality isn't fleshed out yet, but that doesn't automatically make him not fit within the crew.
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Yes, I'm well aware that he's the Boa Hancock of this arc, which I stated in the other post you quoted, but that's besides the point of him fitting in. Other than the quirks, he's the annoying guy noone likes and everyone boos aka the most annoying pirate (colosseum). His personality isn't fleshed out yet, but that doesn't automatically make him not fit within the crew.
My line of reasoning here is that his quirk itself invalidates him being in the crew at all. And if Oda were to "fix" his quirk, by making him less of a fanboy, you've destroyed part of his character. The quirks you mentioned in the other post have one thing in common. None of them are "turned off" or "toned down". Sanji may not always do this, but he'll never tone down or give up on his chivalry. Brook will never stop making Bone jokes, even if he doesn't make them all the time. Sanji and Zoro will always be rivals.
Barto's quirk doesn't fit into this category because it's something that he's probably never going to get rid of. It's sort of the same reason I don't see Viola ever joining the crew. The fact that she actually takes Sanji's chivalry seriously, because she's looked into his soul or whatever, that fact alone completely and totally makes her ineligible to join the crew. You can't have a woman on the crew who takes Sanji seriously, that's part of his character. Just because their personality isn't fleshed out isn't the problem here, the problem is he just doesn't work as a full time person.
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Bart would just need his current quirk to be reduced/changed a bit. He'd also need a new gag if he became a strawhat.
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Actually maybe Bart doesn't have to join them during this arc. He could show up later and join them some other time.
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Bart would just need his current quirk to be reduced/changed a bit. He'd also need a new gag if he became a strawhat.
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Actually maybe Bart doesn't have to join them during this arc. He could show up later and join them some other time.
Oda won't reduce his quirk.
In fact, no character has ever had their quirky reduced/changed.
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My line of reasoning here is that his quirk itself invalidates him being in the crew at all. And if Oda were to "fix" his quirk, by making him less of a fanboy, you've destroyed part of his character. The quirks you mentioned in the other post have one thing in common. None of them are "turned off" or "toned down". Sanji may not always do this, but he'll never tone down or give up on his chivalry. Brook will never stop making Bone jokes, even if he doesn't make them all the time. Sanji and Zoro will always be rivals.
His personalty is already working like Sanji's, Sanji is a fanboy of women, Barto a fanboy of the strawhats exactly in the way Sanji shows his.
Barto's quirk doesn't fit into this category because it's something that he's probably never going to get rid of.
That's a very big assumption as he just met most his hero's for the first time and seeing them in action for the first time. See Sanji's nosebleeds post timeskip, they didn't last either.
It's sort of the same reason I don't see Viola ever joining the crew. The fact that she actually takes Sanji's chivalry seriously, because she's looked into his soul or whatever, that fact alone completely and totally makes her ineligible to join the crew. You can't have a woman on the crew who takes Sanji seriously, that's part of his character. Just because their personality isn't fleshed out isn't the problem here, the problem is he just doesn't work as a full time person.
Viola is very different in that she is a love interest and a serious character to boot, which Oda clearly won't ever go further into and would totally diminish Sanji as a character. I honestly don't get how you see Barto's quirks as being in a totally different category than Sanji's, while seeing Viola's as the same as Barto's. Barto's quirks are way closer to Sanji's as Viola's are to Barto's and it's not even close.
You say Viola is the same as Barto then give no clear reason why she is the same, only explaining that she doesn't fit cause she's taking Sanji serious, which is true, but again, is besides the point. Barto in this arc alone, already shows his quirks being very similar to Sanji's, which obviously 'works' fulltime.
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My friend, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not comparing Viola to anybody, I was just using her as an example of how characters having just one quirk, one aspect to them could invalidate them from being in the crew. Even something as simple as Shirahoshi's size, if nothing else, works in this regard. She's too big to join them realistically. Rebecca being drawn similarly to Nami is reason enough for her not to join the crew, as well, as has been mentioned on this thread. It was just an example.
When it comes to Barto, the difference between him and Sanji is that Sanji's quirk only extends to the two women of the crew, and every other woman that he sees. It builds the framework of his interaction with those two ladies, but he has characteristics outside of that, too. He can even converse normally with Robin and Nami without being a tool at times. With Barto that's just not the case. He's not just a fanboy to Nami and Robin, he's a fanboy toward all of them. It's completely different. The poor boy can't even operate properly when one of them is around. Oda won't "turn down" his quirk at any point in time, this is how he is, it's the basis of his entire character. As he is now he doesn't work, and if he were to be reduced, his character would be diminished. I mean I love Barto myself, he's the best thing of Dressrosa easily, but his chances of joining the crew are nil.
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My friend, I think you're the one misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not comparing Viola to anybody, I was just using her as an example of how characters having just one quirk, one aspect to them could invalidate them from being in the crew.
Even something as simple as Shirahoshi's size, if nothing else, works in this regard. She's too big to join them realistically. Rebecca being drawn similarly to Nami is reason enough for her not to join the crew, as well, as has been mentioned on this thread. It was just an example.Honestly I think you're misunderstanding mate. I've already gone over Barto not being fleshed out yet, which again doesn't make him not fit in, it merely might show he likely won't join. All of those character not fitting in is because of good reasons like size, similar drawings etc. A personalty that hasn't been shown to a full extent yet isn't one of them is what I've said. So I disagree with you putting him on a similar list as Viola, Shirahoshi etc (ie comparing them) based on him not having much personality yet.
When it comes to Barto, the difference between him and Sanji is that Sanji's quirk only extends to the two women of the crew, and every other woman that he sees. It builds the framework of his interaction with those two ladies, but he has characteristics outside of that, too. He can even converse normally with Robin and Nami without being a tool at times. With Barto that's just not the case. He's not just a fanboy to Nami and Robin, he's a fanboy toward all of them. It's completely different. The poor boy can't even operate properly when one of them is around. Oda won't "turn down" his quirk at any point in time, this is how he is, it's the basis of his entire character. As he is now he doesn't work, and if he were to be reduced, his character would be diminished.
This is a very big assumption. I'll say it again, Sanji and his nosebleeds are the exact same as Barto not being able to operate properly and he even already showed signs of improving, wanting to put a barrier up against Pica's attack but realizing it's not big enough. It shows he already has his priorities set straight. He already just follows orders of the strawhats just fine and acts just fine around Robin, besides the comedic reaction at the start.
I mean I love Barto myself, he's the best thing of Dressrosa easily, but his chances of joining the crew are nil.
Again for the third time, I already said I don't see him joining at all, so I don't know why you even mention it.
I honestly feel like we're going in circles here, repeating the same arguments. In the end, you're saying he won't join cause his personality won't work fulltime, I say it could definitely work. Let's just agree to disagree here, cause we can't argue about Barto fitting in without making assumptions why he would or wouldn't fit in. It's like powerlevel discussions at this point.
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Again for the third time, I already said I don't see him joining at all, so I don't know why you even mention it.
Man I'm apologize. This whole thing has been one big run around for me. I think the original thing that I was trying to say is, you said that he pretty much fit in with them perfectly already, and I didn't agree with that. You also seemed displeased at him only being like Hancock this arc, and not joining them properly, but I felt that role was perfect for him given his character. Anyway, sorry I let it devolve into kind of a mess.
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Man I'm apologize. This whole thing has been one big run around for me. I think the original thing that I was trying to say is, you said that he pretty much fit in with them perfectly already, and I didn't agree with that. You also seemed displeased at him only being like Hancock this arc, and not joining them properly, but I felt that role was perfect for him given his character. Anyway, sorry I let it devolve into kind of a mess.
Nah, no need to apologize at all man, I honestly enjoyed the discussion. It's a manga we're passionate about and we like to discuss our views, that's it. I think we're pretty much on the same stance indeed in that we like to see Barto join, but being displeased that he won't. It was just a very small point we disagreed on, a point which doesn't even matter in the end :(
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Nah, no need to apologize at all man, I honestly enjoyed the discussion. It's a manga we're passionate about and we like to discuss our views, that's it. I think we're pretty much on the same stance indeed in that we like to see Barto join, but being displeased that he won't. It was just a very small point we disagreed on, a point which doesn't even matter in the end :(
Thanks. And yeah I agree with you, the whole thing was pointless. I had fun though. Back to thread though, I really, really like Kinemon, but I don't think he'll join. Buuuut…what about Kanjuro? I'm not saying he'll join since he's only just shown up, but he's got a cool power and I love his personality so far. Then again, visually all the straw hats either look cool, pretty, or cute. Is...is Kanjuro too ugly to be a Strawhat?
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Thanks. And yeah I agree with you, the whole thing was pointless. I had fun though. Back to thread though, I really, really like Kinemon, but I don't think he'll join. Buuuut…what about Kanjuro? I'm not saying he'll join since he's only just shown up, but he's got a cool power and I love his personality so far. Then again, visually all the straw hats either look cool, pretty, or cute. Is...is Kanjuro too ugly to be a Strawhat?
Yeah same for me with Kinemon, but I don't think he will join either. At least he ticks more boxes than Barto though, since at least half of him got invited by Luffy :P. Kanjuro I have no idea, but indeed he is ugly lol. The power of both those guys just seems to be too convenient in the long run. Cutting explosions a little less so than making everything come to life I guess. I know Kanjuro can't draw properly but his powers are just as overpowered as Viola's, but then again Robin's devil fruit is overpowered as well in theory…
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Oda won't reduce his quirk.
In fact, no character has ever had their quirky reduced/changed.
Didn't Sanji's nosebleed gag tone down after Fishman island? Didn't Nami stop pummeling Luffy and the idiot trio as much as she did 2 years ago? I can understand why Bart acts this way during this arc. I mean, it's his first time meeting his favorite pirate crew and meeting the man he believes to be the future Pirate king. It only makes sense for him to lose his shit like this seeing as how this is like a dream come true for him.
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Didn't Sanji's nosebleed gag tone down after Fishman island? Didn't Nami stop pummeling Luffy and the idiot trio as much as she did 2 years ago? I can understand why Bart acts this way during this arc. I mean, it's his first time meeting his favorite pirate crew and meeting the man he believes to be the future Pirate king. It only makes sense for him to lose his shit like this seeing as how this is like a dream come true for him.
Sanji's nosebleed gag was a plot point (and a terrible one too).
Oh and about Nami… nope.
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Sanji's nosebleed gag was a plot point (and a terrible one too).
Oh and about Nami… nope.
How was it a plot point? And it was still a gag.
Yeah, I remembered that but the thing is she hits them "less" as in: she doesn't do it as much as before. Meaning her gag has been reduced. It seems pretty crazy to think Bart's character can't change even a little tbh.
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How was it a plot point? And it was still a gag.
Yeah, I remembered that but the thing is she hits them "less" as in: she doesn't do it as much as before. Meaning her gag has been reduced. It seems pretty crazy to think Bart's character can't change even a little tbh.
Did you just forget the whole blood transfusion drama at Fishman Island?
Oh and here's more Nami abuse. And more. And more. And more.
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Sanji nosebleeded ONCE after Fishmen island.. And it was with Violet, after she pushed her nice rounding and lips at him.
It was even stated by Chopper/Oda that Sanji is back to his normal self after watching at Shirahoshi.
King Cannon is right… it was more of a plot point (a horrible one), which was mixed with comedy... But overdone by Oda to the max
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How was it a plot point? And it was still a gag.
Yeah, I remembered that but the thing is she hits them "less" as in: she doesn't do it as much as before. Meaning her gag has been reduced. It seems pretty crazy to think Bart's character can't change even a little tbh.
Of course it can, just like Sanji's nosebleed it could be plot related. just like Nami, Usopp and Brook were scared of Brook at first, but later not at all. Will it be? Probably not…
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Bartolomeo has been acting normalish around Robin, so who's to say he won't get used to being around the rest of the crew (somewhat)? By the end of the arc, there's no way he's going to burst into tears every time he sees Luffy, he'll more easily accept it as time goes on, thus reducing his quirk.
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Bartolomeo has been acting normalish around Robin, so who's to say he won't get used to being around the rest of the crew (somewhat)? By the end of the arc, there's no way he's going to burst into tears every time he sees Luffy, he'll more easily accept it as time goes on, thus reducing his quirk.
And people talk as if it is his only character trait… Besides this he still has his gangster language and trollish character
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Bartolomeo has been acting normalish around Robin, so who's to say he won't get used to being around the rest of the crew (somewhat)? By the end of the arc, there's no way he's going to burst into tears every time he sees Luffy, he'll more easily accept it as time goes on, thus reducing his quirk.
he will probably be more excited when around the crew members who were present at the Lougetown incident
EDIT:more excited is more accurate
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