So coa ist 3x times more important than coc?
Whats the freaky use of coc it wont work on strong guys… I mean even caribou and some newbie fishmen survived coc..
I don't think we've seen the full extent of CoC. I think we've only seen a glimpse of what CoC is capable of.
Are we getting spoilers tonight?
Nah, it's monday. If we were someone would have mentioned it already.
This chapter we will see mystery man!
@nodensuke:
Nah, it's monday. If we were someone would have mentioned it already.
I just checked, it looks like we might get spoilers tonight.
@CCC:
Gotta agree here. Enel was/is built up as the most proficient CoO user to date, given that it was only strengthened by his DF. To suddenly make CoO apply to non-sentient things would be a major retcon and a slap in the face to Enel. Although it would be nice if we were given a scene to confirm that once and for all… like Luffy effortlessly navigating that island of constant lightning strikes without being hit.
:ninja: but it wouldn't affect him anyway hahaha
@Foxy:
I just checked, it looks like we might get spoilers tonight.
Damn, I guess that's what I get for taking a break and missing last weeks spoilers. Hits self for blabbering nonsense
Reading that gets my hopes up too much, though!!!!!!!!!!!! 
I haven't paid much attention to the timeline…how much time has passed/how close should Pekoms and Tamago be to reaching Big Mom?
I haven't paid much attention to the timeline…how much time has passed/how close should Pekoms and Tamago be to reaching Big Mom?
No one knows. It almost seemed as if PH never hit nightfall
Edit: What happened to Nodensuke's post?
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No one knows. It almost seemed as if PH never hit nightfall
Edit: What happened to Nodensuke's post?
I deleted it because after reading it I realized it made absolutely no sense and didn't really have anything to do with what was being discussed…
@nodensuke:
I deleted it because after reading it I realized it made absolutely no sense and didn't really have anything to do with what was being discussed…
LOL! Why not ? I thought it was very good post and it had answered the time issue.
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LOL! Why not ? I thought it was very good post and it had answered the time issue.
The timeline can be found here: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=24549&page=15&p=2559870#post2559870
@nodensuke:
I deleted it because after reading it I realized it made absolutely no sense and didn't really have anything to do with what was being discussed…
Anything that keeps people from communicating in gif's is welcome.
That post was pretty good, it gives a clearer picture of the timeline.
I picture Kaidou like this, but more vicious looking. (yes, I know it's a digimon)
No one knows. It almost seemed as if PH never hit nightfall
2 things:
Oda rarely shows night scenes so wouldn't it be hard to tell?
Considering Law gave everyone 2hrs and that took over 20 chapters my guess is PH and FI took place in a day and a half or 2 days.
This is just my observation but I could be WAAAAAAY off.
#45lyfer
Anything that keeps people from communicating in gif's is welcome.
Guilty! Although I've migrated to small pictures recently…
@Foxy:
That post was pretty good, it gives a clearer picture of the timeline.
To the overall timeline of this/the past arc, maybe..But it really gives no lead on how far Pekoms and Tamago have travelled since FI, we have no idea where Whole Cake Island is..My statement in the original post about comparing it to Caribou/the crew/the G-5/Buffalo-5 really made no sense.
I think Kaido is a Minkman with the Mythical Zoan, Monkey-Monkey Fruit: Sun Wukong Model
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong
Sun Wukong also has 72 transformations, which would go well with Kaido's epithet.
Considering Law gave everyone 2hrs and that took over 20 chapters my guess is PH and FI took place in a day and a half or 2 days.
This is just my observation but I could be WAAAAAAY off.
That's actually a good point.
They did spend an entire day/night on FI, so it has to be at the most mid-day/evening right now on PH.
@Foxy:
I think Kaido is a Minkman with the Mythical Zoan, Monkey-Monkey Fruit: Sun Wukong Model
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong
Sun Wukong also has 72 transformations, which would go well with Kaido's epithet.
You think of that yourself? Not trying to be a jerk but I'm pretty sure "troll guy" posted that. Regardless I think it is completely logical and fits well. Oda does plenty of word play so Kaidou being not only a ruler over multiple beasts (smile zoans) but capable of transforming into a myriad of them fits pretty well.
You think of that yourself? Not trying to be a jerk but I'm pretty sure "troll guy" posted that. Regardless I think it is completely logical and fits well. Oda does plenty of word play so Kaidou being not only a ruler over multiple beasts (smile zoans) but capable of transforming into a myriad of them fits pretty well.
I would have said that, but we aren't allowed to mention "him."
its a shame that there's going to be a break next week
its a shame that there's going to be a break next week
Wait, really?! I didn't hear about this. I hope Oda doesn't take a lot of breaks this year. It's getting ridiculous.
@Foxy:
I think Kaido is a Minkman with the Mythical Zoan, Monkey-Monkey Fruit: Sun Wukong Model
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong
Sun Wukong also has 72 transformations, which would go well with Kaido's epithet.
The 72 transformations would go with his epithet but then again considering he is said to have an army of SMILE users it could be from that. Though I'm confused why he'd want Zoan over a good paramecia or logia (unless they are not creatable by OP science). Also I don't see Oda going too crazy with a mystical zoan, because the 2 (possibly 3 if you include Momo) mystical zoans are very recognizable by Japanese people. Granted Sun Wukong is chinese but Budda, Phoenix, and Dragon are all big in Japanese mythology. If he went Chinese I'd think he'd go with one of the 4 symbols (Chinese constellations).
If we get a break that means we'll get a special cliff hanger for this week's chapter
It'll be less than last year probably, it was mostly due to Film Z.
@Foxy:
I would have said that, but we aren't allowed to mention "him."
As I did with him I also will give you the BotD. I certainly plan on elaborating on the "theories " that were offered.
Really looking forward to what all information we will be finding out and as others have mentioned world building would be great after this entire arc of teases!
As I did with him I also will give you the BotD. I certainly plan on elaborating on the "theories " that were offered.
Really looking forward to what all information we will be finding out and as others have mentioned world building would be great after this entire arc of teases!
BotD ?
@nodensuke:
BotD ?
Benefit of the Doubt.
Benefit of the doubt. I forget it isn't as commonly used as I imagine.
:ninja:'d by Foxy. Freaking Noro Noro XD
Benefit of the doubt. I forget it isn't as commonly used as I imagine.
Yea I didn't know what you were saying either.
BotD … thought it was an alias or something
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Enel's Mantra was foiled by Luffy's Baka-luffy technique. It shows that the target needs to be thinking about his/her actions for the Haki to have any effect. While certainly appropriate, I don't think Luffy is actually dumber than rocks.
With this in mind, KURO actually has a better chance against a mantra/CoO user than a Rokushiki user.
Since you know, he has no idea what he's hitting when he does his speed move. 
@Foxy:
Benefit of the Doubt.
Benefit of the doubt. I forget it isn't as commonly used as I imagine.
:ninja:'d by Foxy. Freaking Noro Noro XD
Ahh! I have little to no knowledge of any internet lingo..I thought he who shall not be named ended up sending you that file and you were saying you'd give it to Foxy. 
I love how AP now has their own Voldermort Hahah
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I picture Kaidou like this, but more vicious looking. (yes, I know it's a digimon)
come on… this is the real Kaido:
! when he was a baby
From the SBS Vol 73
come on… this is the real Kaido:
! when he was a baby
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb9u25IiBU1rh69woo1_400.jpg
From the SBS Vol 73
He looked so innocent. Wonder what changed him into a bad pirate?
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He looked so innocent. Wonder what changed him into a bad pirate?
His catnip supply was interupted by marines
Yea I didn't know what you were saying either.
BotD … thought it was an alias or something
Well, there is a band called Blood on the Dancefloor. That was honestly the first thing I thought of when I saw it.
He looked so innocent. Wonder what changed him into a bad pirate?
This is what happened:
MAJOR NONSENSE TWIST! Hancock kicked Kaido when he was in puppy mode.
@Foxy:
I'm using evidence from the manga, so it is a fact. There is no proof that CoO works on non-living things.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v32/c301/12.html
Bam. Confirmed by Rayleigh:
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
Guys your beloved spoilers thread is now open.
I guess AP will crash multiple times during these hours
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@Fire Fist:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v32/c301/12.html
Bam. Confirmed by Rayleigh:
Hearing the "voice of all things" isn't CoO dude, or at least, the evidence you're using to say it is holds no ground. He doesn't mention anything about it nor does he mention the voice to Luffy when explaining CoO.
Guys your beloved spoilers thread is now open.
I guess AP will crash multiple times during these hours
those spoilers made me shit my pants. Oda is a God
Just saw the spoilers!! THat Last Page.THAT LAST PAGE!!!!
those spoilers made me shit my pants. Oda is a God
Please don't mention the spoilers OUTSIDE of the spoilers thread.
Even if you don't mention what the spoilers actually pertain to, it is better to make no mention of it (as in having them shit your pants and "The last page"). Please be considerate of others that choose to deliberately NOT read the spoilers.
kthx
@Foxy:
Not necessarily, Smoker and Vergo seemed evenly matched (aside from Vergo having better CoA) from what we saw of their fight. The only reason Smoker lost was because his objective was to get back Law's heart. Vergo mentioned that it was odd how Smoker was using his smoke so much, which made him a bigger target for a CoA user like Vergo. If Smoker's only objective was to beat Vergo, then he might have been able to do it.
This is bad writing because he could simply fight him and beat him and give the heart if they were so "evenly matched". It makes no sense, unless Smoker knew he was inferior then it was perfect if he actually thinks he could based off his comments before fight about "dealing with Vergo" then that was shitty. Cocky Smoker get's punked/
Shanks downed Whitebeard's men on his ship and scared off a giant fish that bit off his arm in east blue, but it wasnt Haki cuz we didnt know it existed.
EDIT: to get on the topic of the chapter once more, is Vergo supposed to be stronger than Ceasar?
Cuz i really get the complaints of how overly strong Law has become for beating him in one hit (not saying i think like that, but i understand the viewpoint) but Luffy beat Ceasar in 2-3 hits as well…. so what im asking is why would it be bad that law beat vergo like that if luffy beat an even stronger guy almost the same way?
Logias are a little more difficult, looks at how long it took for law to defeat Smoker. also it's obvious that Vergo is away stronger Ceasar, Ceasar himself stated why strong Vergo is.
That would actually be one hell of an SBS question IMO.
Till now there seems to be pretty good proof for both sides…
(1. Haki cannot be used on non-living things.
~ Enel was unable to read Luffy's actions when he made himself stupid.
~ Zoro using Haki in Alabasta would be too early in the story to be foreshadowing. He probably developed as a Swordsman.
(2. Haki CAN be used on non-living things and = The Vocie of All Things.
~ Zoro having some uber power which he never used later on, which Luffy doesnt have, and which Rayleigh and Roger DO have, does not seem logical to me.
~ Zoro wouldn't have used the power to read non-living things only once, to never return later on. If it had been a swordsman power that he willingly developed, he would have been able to use it consistently afterwards. Till' this day I believe it was an early Haki outburst, because he had so much will at that point to cut the steel.
~ Luffy could dodge seemingly random water bullets from Hody. I doubt that Hody would willingly know where ALL of those bullets exactly would go to, which Luffy could read in his mind.
I feel that the Enel argument is a really strong one, but I find that it doesn't compare to all the "evidence" / logic i see in the arguments that Haki is also for non-living things. Please correct me if i forgot anything, I will add it and i will probably post it into the Haki thread later, to bring it over there and get rid of it in here :D
