Strawhat Crew Theories and Prediction Thread

MiyamotoMusashi

Or a better tactic is to write what you want to write, press the spacebar a few times, just write another letter and color it white^^

Katzztar

16 charas of LOL "What have I started?" But its hilarious and fun

asm00200

@NER:

How safe is it to assume that the current story between Sanji and Violet is going to lead for a serious …CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT for Sani?

It's the Ordeal Of Love for Sanji all over again…

.. and he'll probably lose. ;D

NER

Okay, About that time Zoro, Sanji and Kuma had a little chat.

We all know that by the end of the manga Zoro is going to be the strongest swordman in the world.
but what about Sanji? he said that he is going to be the most feared man to the marines.
do you think it will happen? how would you feel if it doesn't?

P.s I am really sorry if this is not the right place to post such a thing

Kishido

I think most troublesome for the marines would be fitting more… Not only he for sure will be a top tier in his own rights but on top on that proved to be a master strategist, which caused problems for the marines and for other foes as Croc and Enel in the past.

With this both together I can him becoming him the most "troublesome" for the marines after he puts a huge stunt against them, which cause them a huge lose and results with Sanji being finally recognized as serious danger.

To compare him... maybe he will be the Sebgoku of the Strawhats, strong enough to an admiral and feared as called strategic genius.

That are just my thoughts and for me personally the reason why Sanji is "overlooked" with the fake bounty... Oda is waiting for the perfect moment to let this little chat have a bit of story relevance...

NER

@KiShiDo:

I think most troublesome for the marines would be fitting more… Not only he for sure will be a top tier in his own rights but on top on that proved to be a master strategist, which caused problems for the marines and for other foes as Croc and Enel in the past.

With this both together I can him becoming him the most "troublesome" for the marines after he puts a huge stunt against them, which cause them a huge lose and results with Sanji being finally recognized as serious danger.

To compare him... maybe he will be the Sebgoku of the Strawhats, strong enough to an admiral and feared as called strategic genius.

That are just my thoughts and for me personally the reason why Sanji is "overlooked" with the fake bounty... Oda is waiting for the perfect moment to let this little chat have a bit of story relevance...

YOOOU!! I was just googling this subject, Sanji being the most fearsome, and I saw your posts on some forum, that was you, right?

Well, he can be the most fearsome by being the most troublesome, no?

Dododo

@NER:

YOOOU!! I was just googling this subject, Sanji being the most fearsome, and I saw your posts on some forum, that was you, right?

Well, he can be the most fearsome by being the most troublesome, no?

I can't see a scenario where Sanji is more feared than Luffy.

But i think that "troublesome" could happen, just like KiShiDo said. And i hope Oda will do that, Sanji is clearly at his best when he plays the tactician.

NER

@Dododo:

I can't see a scenario where Sanji is more feared than Luffy.

But i think that "troublesome" could happen, just like KiShiDo said. And i hope Oda will do that, Sanji is clearly at his best when he plays the tactician.

I can see it happening. Luffy being the strongest, but Sanji is SEEN by the marines are the most fearsome, something like, "Black Leg is here!! the guy who -something that fucked the marines up, big time- !! what will we do?!"

Sorry for the little fanfiction.

Dododo

@NER:

I can see it happening. Luffy being the strongest, but Sanji is SEEN by the marines are the most fearsome, something like, "Black Leg is here!! the guy who -something that fucked the marines up, big time- !! what will we do?!"

Sorry for the little fanfiction.

Well, the things Luffy will pull off in the next future ( defeating Doflamingo and the yonkous) should make the marines really tremble in fear. It's going to be hard for Sanji to compete with that =)

GoranTg

@NER:

How safe is it to assume that the current story between Sanji and Violet is going to lead for a serious …CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT for Sani?

We all know Sanji has this weakness against against defensive opponents,
i.e. the Krieg pirate Pearl: sanji didn't clearly win
Don Krieg (largely defensive, though I would classify him as a 'trickster'): luffy stepped in
Mr 3: Sanji was absent
the Pasifista, initially
the iron wall of their prison on Punk H.
Vergo

So at some point he might be forced to overcome this weakness or he will face a similar crisis-of-self like Usopp on Water 7. I am thinking this will probably only happen during/end of the Big Mom arc. Why –-> Big Mom's Mock Turtle :)

EvoWarrior5

@GoranTg:

We all know Sanji has this weakness against against defensive opponents,
i.e. the Krieg pirate Pearl: sanji didn't clearly win
Don Krieg (largely defensive, though I would classify him as a 'trickster'): luffy stepped in
Mr 3: Sanji was absent
the Pasifista, initially
the iron wall of their prison on Punk H.
Vergo

So at some point he might be forced to overcome this weakness or he will face a similar crisis-of-self like Usopp on Water 7. I am thinking this will probably only happen during/end of the Big Mom arc. Why –-> Big Mom's Mock Turtle :)

I don't particularly like these examples.

Pearl - Fair enough.
Don Krieg - Well duh. He was the main villain, of course Luffy would do it.
Mr. 3 - Not even Zoro, who is stronger than Sanji, could break through the wax at that time. How would you expect Sanji to do it?
Pacifista - Same thing. Zoro and Sanji had equal trouble with them, pretty much. Though Zoro could do it a bit, but again, he is stronger than Sanji.
Iron Door - That thing was supposed to be capable of taking "any physical blow" and tank it. Yet Sanji made a big dent in it. If that isn't impressive well fuck me sideways.
Vergo - He was the strongest enemy since the timeskip and is nearly Admiral level. What would you expect? Sanji still showed he can hold his own for a while against someone like him.

GoranTg

I admit it is not the strongest of theories, but it was not meant to stand alone and of itself. It was meant as a possible contributing factor in the anticipated climactic "CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT" of Sanji.

FrankyFan

Sanji also defeated Jabra who had the greatest defense out of all of CP9…

Tangaroa

Liking some of the thoughts here on Sanji. He said he was going to be troublesome & Oda does tend to make these prophesies. But it didn't occur to me that it could because the marines might become his fan-club! We did see a little of it in Punk Hazzard with G-5 and what if it spreads? Suddenly I'm really interested to see where the whole Violet/ Sanji plot goes.

Katzztar

@GoranTg:

We all know Sanji has this weakness against against defensive opponents,
i.e. the Krieg pirate Pearl: sanji didn't clearly win
Don Krieg (largely defensive, though I would classify him as a 'trickster'): luffy stepped in
Mr 3: Sanji was absent
the Pasifista, initially
the iron wall of their prison on Punk H.
Vergo

So at some point he might be forced to overcome this weakness or he will face a similar crisis-of-self like Usopp on Water 7. I am thinking this will probably only happen during/end of the Big Mom arc. Why –-> Big Mom's Mock Turtle :)

I do not see those things that you listed as a problem for Sanji. These instances of him not gaining the upper foot is what keeps him from being a Gary Stu.
I will point out that even Luffy had trouble with Mr.3's wax in Little Garden. And the thing of Sanji being absent - while it was a plot of Oda's so he pretend to be Mr. Prince and Croc not recognize him - well instory it showed Sanji is as much a moron as the others on the crew.

@EvoWarrior5:

I don't particularly like these examples.

Pearl - Fair enough.
Don Krieg - Well duh. He was the main villain, of course Luffy would do it.
Mr. 3 - Not even Zoro, who is stronger than Sanji, could break through the wax at that time. How would you expect Sanji to do it?
Pacifista - Same thing. Zoro and Sanji had equal trouble with them, pretty much. Though Zoro could do it a bit, but again, he is stronger than Sanji.
Iron Door - That thing was supposed to be capable of taking "any physical blow" and tank it. Yet Sanji made a big dent in it. If that isn't impressive well fuck me sideways.
Vergo - He was the strongest enemy since the timeskip and is nearly Admiral level. What would you expect? Sanji still showed he can hold his own for a while against someone like him.

I agree with your assessment. I will add that with Mr.3, it was a way of Oda showing that strength alone isn't always the way to go, one using cunning and resourcefulness can win over a stronger enemy. It wasn't brute strength that got through the wax prison and saved Zoro, Nami & Vivi; it was Usopp's resourcefulness

NER

Sanji is really the most interesting to me. :L You know, Oda play with him a lot, but in the end, he's still one of the three top fighters in the strawhats.

it would be huge shame if Sanji words don't become true, to some extent at least.

Shadowgreed

So I was think, what type of haki are the other SHs going learn, this is how I break it down:

Luffy 3 types Cco - CcA - CcC

Zoro 2 types CcO - CcA - CcC (most likely to be awaken in future arcs)

Sanji 2 types CcO - CcA -

Robin 1 Type CcO (its been hinted back in PH CH.694 Pag.10, she felt the explosion second before it happens)

Usopp none (Sniper requires CcO and CcA, I think that he'll awake his CcO in a few arc)

Franky none (Shipwright I think that CcA will go with his personality better since he loves to fight and break things)

Nami none (Navigator CcO even though she is pretty accurate with her navigation skill I think a strong CcO will help her a lot also I don't know If she can clad her weather power will CcA)

Chopper none (Doctor requires CcA and CcO but I think he will only awake CcA since all his transformation are based around his fist and not his kicking ability in which only Kun fu Point has it)

Brook none (I think he will be the only SH who will not learn any type of haki and it will be a great example in what Rayleigh told Luffy about people who are unable to use it)

What do you think? Which SH will be the next one to awake haki?

peeko

@Shadowgreed:

So I was think, what type of haki are the other SHs going learn, this is how I break it down:

Luffy 3 types Cco - CcA - CcC

Zoro 2 types CcO - CcA - CcC (most likely to be awaken in future arcs)

Sanji 2 types CcO - CcA -

Robin 1 Type CcO (its been hinted back in PH CH.694 Pag.10, she felt the explosion second before it happens)

Usopp none (Sniper requires CcO and CcA, I think that he'll awake his CcO in a few arc)

Franky none (Shipwright I think that CcA will go with his personality better since he loves to fight and break things)

Nami none (Navigator CcO even though she is pretty accurate with her navigation skill I think a strong CcO will help her a lot also I don't know If she can clad her weather power will CcA)

Chopper none (Doctor requires CcA and CcO but I think he will only awake CcA since all his transformation are based around his fist and not his kicking ability in which only Kun fu Point has it)

Brook none (I think he will be the only SH who will not learn any type of haki and it will be a great example in what Rayleigh told Luffy about people who are unable to use it)

What do you think? Which SH will be the next one to awake haki?

Pretty sure Robin does not have coo awakened, or else don't you think luffy would have said it? But I do hope most of them will get it by the end of the series, I just don't see how nami and usopp can go throught the NW without getting it.

Shadowgreed

@peeko:

Pretty sure Robin does not have coo awakened, or else don't you think luffy would have said it? But I do hope most of them will get it by the end of the series, I just don't see how nami and usopp can go throught the NW without getting it.

Actually he didn't say it because when Law asked him, Law wanted to know who could use CcA since it was necessary to grab CC

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Also Oda giving her a panel just before the explosion makes me believe that it was her CcO being activated but that's just my opinion

IlanZ

@Shadowgreed:

Actually he didn't say it because when Law asked him, Law wanted to know who could use CcA since it was necessary to grab CC

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Also Oda giving her a panel just before the explosion makes me believe that it was her CcO being activated but that's just my opinion

Not sure if being activated but it shows her using CcO (I thought it was CoO).

Drazgoon

it is CoO. Color of Observation/Armament/Conqueror.

Jules197

I have a question to you guys, which is related to the individual dreams/goals of the Straw Hats.

I used to think that when the crew reached Raftel, they would all have accomplished their dreams. But do you guys actually think this is the case? Or do you think that some of the Straw Hats will have to wait a little bit more to fulfill their goals?

One one side we have Luffy, Sanji, Nami, Usopp, Robin and Franky, whose dreams should be accomplished when they reach Raftel.

But on the other side, what about Zoro, Brook and Chopper?

Zoro won't have become the strongest swordsman unless he defeats Mihawk. And I really doubt Mihawk will be waiting for him in Raftel;
Brook won't have reunited with Laboon;
Chopper… well, his dream may be fulfilled (he may cure the Straw Hats of some sort of disease) but it's going to be a little bit tricky to make that happen exactly when the crew reaches Raftel.

What I mean is, won't it be a bit weird if only part of the Straw Hats accomplish their dreams, while the rest of them have to wait a little bit longer to do so? Or do you guys think the plot will develop in a way which will make sure all of the crew accomplish their dreams at the same time? (like Shiliew defeating Mihawk, for example)

Katzztar

@Jules197:

I have a question to you guys, which is related to the individual dreams/goals of the Straw Hats.

I used to think that when the crew reached Raftel, they would all have accomplished their dreams. But do you guys actually think this is the case? Or do you think that some of the Straw Hats will have to wait a little bit more to fulfill their goals?

One one side we have Luffy, Sanji, Nami, Usopp, Robin and Franky, whose dreams should be accomplished when they reach Raftel.

But on the other side, what about Zoro, Brook and Chopper?

Zoro won't have become the strongest swordsman unless he defeats Mihawk. And I really doubt Mihawk will be waiting for him in Raftel;

Brook won't have reunited with Laboon;

Chopper… well, his dream may be fulfilled (he may cure the Straw Hats of some sort of disease) but it's going to be a little bit tricky to make that happen exactly when the crew reaches Raftel.

What I mean is, won't it be a bit weird if only part of the Straw Hats accomplish their dreams, while the rest of them have to wait a little bit longer to do so? Or do you guys think the plot will develop in a way which will make sure all of the crew accomplish their dreams at the same time? (like Shiliew defeating Mihawk, for example)

Don't forget Nami -to draw a map of the world.

It seems that she is not using pre-existing maps of the seas from other people, but seems she waits until she has traveled to a island to map it. I doubt the crew have time for Nami to survey it herself, but the locals should know their home island the best (reason why she doesn't use pre-exisiting maps of entire regions like East Sea, West Sea ect. to make the world map) so she would get a reliable map of the island they visit then add the info to the world map.

Problem with this (IF tis true) then she's made a small dent to the map as the Strawhats only used one of the 7 paths that are available from leaving the lighthouse at Twin capes on the Grand Line side of the Reverse Mountain. This means she has a lot to do still and it won't end at Raftel.

One can say that Nami & Chopper (to cure every disease) has the dreams that will take the longest to fulfill.

IlanZ

Well, it's not like OP will end when they reach Raftel.

Clessenur

@Shadowgreed:

Lots of stuff….

What do you think? Which SH will be the next one to awake haki?

Luffy will obviously improve all of them, but CoC is the one that will play the most importance.
If Zoro has CoC so does Sanji, which I believe they do.
I don't think the loser trio will gain any serious haki at all, maybe for gag purposes but that's it.
I don't see it impossible for Robin to awaken it soon and propably Franky soon after if it were to happen. It's possible that they won't get it at all too.
Brook is propably the worst "example" from them you could have shown, the guy waited 50 years alone on a ship without totally breaking his spirit. In a just world he should be called Black Bones Brook by now.

! At the end of the series all of them will have CoC :ninja:

desa

@Clessenur:

Luffy will obviously improve all of them, but CoC is the one that will play the most importance.

If Zoro has CoC so does Sanji, which I believe they do.

CoC is suppose to be rare thing. 2 people from the same crew is enough. No need for a third.

mirmo

New registered member here..

I have a question….

Do you believe that Sabo is still alive? or not?

MetaMario

@mirmo:

New registered member here..

I have a question….

Do you believe that Sabo is still alive? or not?

first off….welcome to the forums!

Second, he's alive, for simple reasons:

a) Oda does not kill people, even in flashbacks, so casually. If they're gonna die, they're gonna die trying to fulfill a dream, having an epiphany of sorts, tears streaming down their faces......having a ship explode in the background wouldn't fit in line with that. And he is Luffy's adopted brother, so if Oda wanted to kill him, he'd do in a memorable and significant way.

b) The three cups of sake on Ace's grave. Luffy, Ace, and Sabo toasted themselves as children to become "brothers".

edit: The general Questions thread would've been a better place to ask. ;)

Kishido

You forgot to add Dragon brought someone heavily injured with him

mirmo

Where is general question thread? can you give me the link? Thanks…

MetaMario

@Kishido: Whoops, I knew I forgot something.

@mirmo:

Where is general question thread? can you give me the link? Thanks…

http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=36065

Psycrow

One day, Zoro got extremely drunk, and asked Franky if he was feeling so low because he was broke. Luffy then robbed his motorcycle. Out came a drunken haiku using just all the strawhat names.

Frank, y zo ro? Brooke? (Frank, why so low? Broke?)
Luffy-san, ji! Robin'? U? (Luffy-san, gee! Robbing? You?)
Sopp! Na! Mi chopper! (Stop! No! My chopper!)

GoranTg

What do you think the individual weaknesses (physical/fighting weaknesses) of each of the SHs are ?

Obvious ones:

Chopper : Fire/heat
Nami : her physical strength
Robin : No armor (feels any cut/blow to her cloned 'growths' as cut/blows to real body)

Do the rest have any ? Imagination and knowledge failing . . . help!

Shadowgreed

@GoranTg:

What do you think the individual weaknesses (physical/fighting weaknesses) of each of the SHs are ?

Obvious ones:

Chopper : Fire/heat
Nami : her physical strength
Robin : No armor (feels any cut/blow to her cloned 'growths' as cut/blows to real body)

Do the rest have any ? Imagination and knowledge failing . . . help!

Nami and Robin will have some problem fighting somebody who is really fast, more Nami then Robin since she have CcO and can track his enemies movements and the other ones will be based on their actual strength against their enemies

IlanZ

@Shadowgreed:

Nami and Robin will have some problem fighting somebody who is really fast, more Nami then Robin since she have CcO and can track his enemies movements and the other ones will be based on their actual strength against their enemies

Well we just saw Robin dealing with a really fast enemy…

Shadowgreed

@IlanZ:

Well we just saw Robin dealing with a really fast enemy…

That's why I said that she can track them down with CcO but If she isn't fast enough to counter her enemy, thing can get ugly but thinking about it her ability is just perfect for those situations because she only needs to see you to take you down.

Katzztar

Robin doesn't have CoO, Luffy would have mentioned it to Law when he asked if anyone on the crew has haki. Luffy said only Sanji, Zoro and himself. Robin caught the dwarf by spamming the arms everywhere instantly. She recieves the sense of touch from the bloomed limbs so she felt what arms caught her target. no need for haki.

Shadowgreed

@Katzztar:

Robin doesn't have CoO, Luffy would have mentioned it to Law when he asked if anyone on the crew has haki. Luffy said only Sanji, Zoro and himself. Robin caught the dwarf by spamming the arms everywhere instantly. She recieves the sense of touch from the bloomed limbs so she felt what arms caught her target. no need for haki.

When Law asked Luffy who has haki, Law was asking about CcA and not CcO since it was needed to kidnap CC that's why Luffy said Zoro, Sanji and him also back in PH, Robin felt the explosion even before it happens and Oda gave her a panel just to show that

Maju

if robin had color of observation she wouldn't have any need to spam all those arms.
the entire point of that tecnique was tobeing able to catch him without knowing where he/she was exactly

IlanZ

And she just caught a dwarf using her CoO.
@Maju:

if robin had color of observation she wouldn't have any need to spam all those arms.
the entire point of that tecnique was tobeing able to catch him without knowing where he/she was exactly

She isn't fast enough to catch it, that's why she used the flower field. She couldn't see them (as a matter of fact noone did) so the only way for her to capture him was to use her CoO to find his whereabouts and since she couldn't keep up with his speed she had to do the field, otherwise he would just dodge her hands.

King Cannon

@IlanZ:

And she just caught a dwarf using her CoO.

She isn't fast enough to catch it, that's why she used the flower field. She couldn't see them (as a matter of fact noone did) so the only way for her to capture him was to use her CoO to find his whereabouts and since she couldn't keep up with his speed she had to do the field, otherwise he would just dodge her hands.

No, she used her Flower Field because she had no idea where the Dwarf was, so the only to catch him was to put her arms everywhere.

It's called a Hard-to-Avoid Area Attack.

Maju

@IlanZ:

And she just caught a dwarf using her CoO.

She isn't fast enough to catch it, that's why she used the flower field. She couldn't see them (as a matter of fact noone did) so the only way for her to capture him was to use her CoO to find his whereabouts and since she couldn't keep up with his speed she had to do the field, otherwise he would just dodge her hands.

if she really had kenbunshoku she just needed one hand in the place where she knew the dwarf would have gone.
what you do when you are blindfolded and people ask you to find them in a room?you move around flailing your arms around in every direction until you find whose you are searching for…here she did the same,she flailed hundreds of arms around the field at the same time so that she was sure that at least one would have catched him/her,and in fact it did.

King Cannon

It's simple logic, really. If you're trying to catch something small and fast, you use an undodgeable move.

IlanZ

@Maju:

if she really had kenbunshoku she just needed one hand in the place where she knew the dwarf would have gone.
what you do when you are blindfolded and people ask you to find them in a room?you move around flailing your arms around in every direction until you find whose you are searching for…here she did the same,she flailed hundreds of arms around the field at the same time so that she was sure that at least one would have catched him/her,and in fact it did.

Just being able to predict where he'll be does nothing if you don't have the speed to do something about it.

@King:

It's simple logic, really. If you're trying to catch something small and fast, you use an undodgeable move.

Exactly.

King Cannon

@IlanZ:

Exactly.

I wasn't agreeing with you.

Robin couldn't predict where the Dwarf would go, so she literally used a big, undodgeable trap to catch him.

Smiley

So will we ever seeing fans/former fans from Brook in the new world?
It would be kinda funny that a bigshot in the new world was a Brook fan.

Maju

@IlanZ:

Just being able to predict where he'll be does nothing if you don't have the speed to do something about it.

Exactly.

if i know where someone is going to be,i just have to wait for him there,i don't need to follow him,so it doesn't matter if it's fast or not,i can predict whre he will be the moment he thinks about it.

IlanZ

CoO makes her know where he is, being more proficient can make you predict a move, but you still need to be fast enough to do something about it, and since she can't even see him how can she grab him? She had to use a big undodgeable trap to actually hold him.

@King:

I wasn't agreeing with you.

Robin couldn't predict where the Dwarf would go, so she literally used a big, undodgeable trap to catch him.

CoO isn't just predicting, it's like a radar. And knowing where it'll be doesn't mean being able to do something before he gets there and move away, so she can't be faster but can be smarter.

But the point is that she never even saw them and considering their speed her trap could only be undodgeable if made around their position. If done at random they could easily, idk, jump and be out of reach. But it's because she knew their general location (because they move so fast the she couldn't pinpoint their location, even with CoO).

Kishido

So Robin has CoO know and a user as Luffy can't sense it and that's why he stated only him, Zoro and Sanji have haki in his crew.

But probably Robin learned it on the way to Green Bit after remembering her "training" under Dragon

King Cannon

@IlanZ:

CoO isn't just predicting, it's like a radar. And knowing where it'll be doesn't mean being able to do something before he gets there and move away, so she can't be faster but can be smarter.

But the point is that she never even saw them and considering their speed her trap could only be undodgeable if made around their position. If done at random they could easily, idk, jump and be out of reach. But it's because she knew their general location (because they move so fast the she couldn't pinpoint their location, even with CoO).

She simply scattered her arms in the area the Marines were attacked.

@Shadowgreed:

When Law asked Luffy who has haki, Law was asking about CcA and not CcO since it was needed to kidnap CC that's why Luffy said Zoro, Sanji and him also back in PH, Robin felt the explosion even before it happens and Oda gave her a panel just to show that

In that case, then why Oda made Law ask for Haki in general instead of CoA specifically? Or insert a throwaway line about Robin only having CoO? I think Oda would be careful with his wording in order to not confuse the readers, especially because that scene was only there to let us know who had Haki and who hadn't.