Thoughts on who should direct? Too bad the Ben Affleck rumour was false, he's great. Perhaps they'll hand it to Zack Snyder?
Justice League in 2015
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Well I'd say it depends on the characters if every character in the JL is as layered as batman it's probably going to be pretty hard.
The Hulk character isn't that hard to get it's pretty much jekyll and hyde.
There is also the difference in numbers. It's as if the avengers movie would have had only iron man and (thor/hulk/cap/pick which you want) and 4 shield agents/hawkeyes that we know barely anything about. Now the avengers worked out because they had 3-4 characters that people somewhat knew and because hawkeye and black widow didn't get in the way of them.But whatever I really hope it works out. I kind of like superhero movies. Would be nice to have another really good one but for now I'm pretty sceptical.
Good point, however there's ways to present the characters and get them to work in a teamup, also there are DC characters that are as simple as Hulk: The flash pretty much is about about speed. Supes is an alien, who's trying to be mortal, Batman is the loner figure that doesn't fully trust the Justice League and is little paranoid which causes friction in his relationship with other members of the League. Wondy is little more complicated because she's a lot of things… hell, that one hour premiere of the Justice League cartoon pretty much accomplished this(not the best ep of the series but it accomplished this) Hell, similar to the the fact there was is no live action Wonder Woman/Flash film at this time, there was no animated TV series for either Flash or Wonder Woman when the Justice League cartoon premiered.
It can work out if they get the right director, get the script in the best shape it can be. Green Lantern's failure taught DC not to half-ass things, get someone who's really good. Someone who knows who to make them work in the same film. Also as much as I like Manhunter, it would be a good idea if they replace him with Cyborg.Aquaman is awesome.
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I've said this before and I will keep on saying it until people are tired of listening. Then I'll say it some more.
Neil. Patrick. Harris. As. The. Flash.
My personal favorite Flash is Wally, but I understand they'll want to start with Barry so I'm ok with that. But SERIOUSLY, NPH. Flash. Make it Happen WB.
Also, why are you guys arguing about which GL should be in the movie?! The CLEAR choice is Guy Gardiner.
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t imagine this being good. I agree with everybody who said they should have just gone the Marvel route and first introduce most of the characters in their own film, but I guess their problem is that Marvel already finished that and is now working on sequels that will obviously all be super successful while Dc didn
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The actors I want are:
Idris Elba as J'onn or Stewart http://www.actucine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Idris-Elba.jpg
Ryan Gosling as Aquaman http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/database/100531/ryan-gosling-300.jpg
Angelina Jolie as Wonder Woman (this is going to be the hardest casting imo) http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mccrv2hTIq1rhpz49o1_500.jpg (OMG those lips!)
Jon Hamm as Batman or just Bruce Wayne http://www.gq.com/images/gq/features/120108/GQfeature6v.jpg
Henry Cavill as Superman (to not confuse people) http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/f/first-image-of-henry-cavill-as-superman-63469-630-75.jpeg
I have no clue for Flash
Michael Jai White as Cyborg (If he is going to be used) http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4fl01ugw71qzb1rlo1_400.jpgAnd if they are going to use Hawkgirl, Eva Mendes http://celebritywonder.ugo.com/picture/Eva_Mendes/EvaMendes_Granitz_5453598.jpg
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Honestly, for J'onn, I really think they should bring in Carl Lumbly. He's a real actor, he's not just a voice over actor, he's getting up there but he's still young enough to do the job, plus any problems caused by age could be rectified by CG which will be needed anyway since… He's not really a martian... This may be nostalgia, but Lumbly's voice IS J'onn's voice to me. But regardless, Oreo cookies need to be a part of this movie.
Casting the movie would be extremely hard, I don't even know where to start in regards to Diana... But NPH as Flash? Yes.
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That's the plan.
Unless the new superman movie also flops and is widely disliked.
Like Green Lantern was.
There is something very very wrong if they cannot even get probably the most famous Super hero in the entire world to have a huge box office smash of a movie.
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There is only one way this movie can top the Avengers' "throw a bunch of superheroes together to fight an invading alien army" schtick.
BRING ON THE ROGUE GALLERY!
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There is something very very wrong if they cannot even get probably the most famous Super hero in the entire world to have a huge box office smash of a movie.
Superman 3, 4, Returns, and Supergirl, were all pretty terrible and failed in the box office. (You can toss in Steel while you're at it, that's also a Superman property.) Catwoman, Jonah Hex and Green Lantern haven't exactly instilled confidence eitehr.
Returns made about 200 mill(most of that from opening weekend and being the first superman movie in 30 years) … but cost 270 to make, no one liked it, and its been buried quickly as something to be forgotten, rather than the launch pad of the new universe full of franchises.
And Snyder being on the new one, or the direction of the costume design, doesn't instill confidence. He's good at recreating comic panels already laid out for him, he's not so good at... anything else.
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@RobbyBevard:
And Snyder being on the new one, or the direction of the costume design, doesn't instill confidence. He's good at recreating comic panels already laid out for him, he's not so good at… anything else.
Well. Nolan is involved in Man of Steel (as one of the script writer I think, as well as supervising it though unclear to what extent), so that gives me some hope.
About the JLA, I'm more concerned with the Batman. Nolan wrote a damn good Batman, but I doubt it'll fit in well with JLA's not-so realistic world. Plus, TDKR has given a definite closure to Bruce Wayne as Batman. So WB is going to have to somehow "reboot" the Batman (not something I look forward to).
Lastly, WB's approach on making the JLA before the single movies, kind of interests me. Mainly because I just wanted to see how it'll go if we reverse the process (the opposite of how Marvel did their Avengers). But there are some things they shouldn't forget, The Holy Trinity. I strongly believe all 3 of em should be well established before the JLA is introduced, they are the anchor and heart of the group. It would be extremely ridiculous to just suddenly have Wonder Woman appear in the JLA movie and standing beside Batman n Superman, and we are supposed to accept she's part of the Trinity without even knowing why.
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About the JLA, I'm more concerned with the Batman. Nolan wrote a damn good Batman, but I doubt it'll fit in well with JLA's not-so realistic world. Plus, TDKR has given a definite closure to Bruce Wayne as Batman. So WB is going to have to somehow "reboot" the Batman (not something I look forward to).
I don't think they are going to try to "reboot" batman. They will probably just shove him into the story and disregard everything Nolan has done since it is obviously too much work to actually make any sense in putting Nolan's batman into this more fantasy based film.
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They will reboot Batman, they will have to. They don't need to do the origin again, just reintroduce the character organically with him already established.
However reintroducing him randomly in some film does me no good. we need to have a connection first.
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Waay too soon. That would be worse than rebooting Spiderman (which had somewhat of a legitimate reason in doing so and turned out decent in the end). Rebooting a new Batman rendition for the movie by filming a new Batman movie prior to TJL might not be a good idea. Most people like the gritty "reality" Nolan Batman. Having a new Burton based Batman might cause some uncomfortable repercussions.
Also reintroducing the Batman character is easier said than done; especially when most film goers consider the Nolan Batman movies as the cream of the crop within the super hero genre. After all, it has only been 8 years since the first movie and 1 year since the last. If Nolan only made the first movie, I would concede that rebooting batman might be a viable solution for TJL 2015. However, since the final movie was JUST released last year, it would really throw most movie goers off on how drastically different the tone and feel would be (including the absence of the established actors within this recent trilogy). Perhaps if TJL was released in 2020, THEN I would also concede that a new Batman movie could work from between 2016-2019 (that would give a few years for the Nolan Batman's impact to fade a little bit).
Like it or not, the TJL 2015 will surface without needing a Batman reboot. They don't "have to" reintroduce him since most people already know batman (verses the Marvel franchise with lesser known characters like Thor and Iron Man prior to their film introduction). Same goes with Superman but conveniently his new movie is coming out soon (whether or not it was intentionally planned to coincide with TJL).
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Who cares, five years is not too soon at all, audiences are willing to accept a reboot as long is it is not an origin story. And by reintroducing, I mean showing how this new Batman is different from Nolan's. I mean suit, design, and batcave and personality. Also going by the end of Dark knight Rises, which most of the film goers have seen they won't be too surprised about the difference.
Also how will it be less legit than Spider man's reboot(which is worse since they rehashed the origin with minor tweaks) what I'm suggesting is the better alternative which is obviously a reboot, without hand-holding the audience by doing the origin again. And lol "Burton based Batman"…are you referring to the fantastical or something? We don't even know what tone the next Batman reboot will take. I suspect a mix science fiction, coupled with some of the comics fantastical elements only slightly more grounded in reality.
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Alright let me spell it out a bit clearer for you:
Batman Rises 2012
(Available time to squeeze in a new movie)= less than 2 years
The Justice League 2015The only way I can see them feasibly squeeze in another Batman movie is if they actually planned for a separate batman movie while Nolan was making his batman movies. Likewise, they must have also planned to release the completely unrelated Batman movie RIGHT after the end of Nolan's run (within a span of 2 years) prior to the intended release date of TJL.
Also I think you overestimate the film goer's capacity for accepting something new (especially after lengthy run of Nolan Batman and now switching him back to the Burton Batman). Even if it is not an origin story, the change in tone and presentation (as well as actors) already throws off the audience. Some of them will probably think it is actually a sequel to the 3rd Nolan title. Shoving a "new" unrelated Batman movie immediately after Dark Knight Rises will make the audience uncomfortable. Likewise, the audience will compare the Nolan Batman with the new Batman and rip it to shreds (especially if the latter is trying to be more of a super hero action movie instead of Nolan's drama-ish action movie). FYI, Nolan's drama Batman is already held in very high regard (even if the 3rd movie was a bit wonky). A new Batman immediately competing against Nolan's Batman is suicide. No filmmaker is stupid enough to throw a new solo Batman film in theaters.
It would be nice to do what Marvel did and add some solo super hero movies prior to TJL, but it is not a viable option at this point (simply due to TJL being released 2015). A new solo Batman movie (with the same actor for TJL) would also be nice for a set up, but NOT immediately after Nolan just released his final Batman movie. It is very possible to release a new Batman movie AFTER TJL, but definitely not before.
Overall, the problem has nothing to do with whether a new Batman movie is an origin story or not. Simply changing the tone and style (as well as actors) and releasing it RIGHT next to the last Nolan movie is the main problem.
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Look, I get it however the way you hypothetically describing how audiences will react to a new style seems to give off the impression that you think people will dismiss the next Batman as some sort of generic cartoonish, supehero film in comparison to the "deep masterful human dramas" that the Nolan films have been hyped up as being, right? Even though you have no idea of what style they will take?
Let me tell you straight up: Batman has existed before the Nolan films, and will obviously exist after and it was already a dramatic story before Nolan got his hands on the series. The Nolan films primary source was the comics, which were human drama's( well most of the time anyway). As long as Batman is kept dark tonally, and rebooted with a refreshed new style: A dark supernatural, thriller would do wonders for a Batman film. no one will give a shit There are many film-goers who want Batman to be more fantastical akin to the Burton films and the comics, and there are people who want Batman to do be grounded, and realistic. You can do fantastical while keeping in line with the drama of the character. There will be always be people comparing, it's only natural when you have so many different variations of the same character that will always appeal to different taste. The key is to find a take that works, and is refreshing. Your assuming film-goers aren't willing to accept a new film because its a change of style and not done by Nolan? What about the possibility of it being an exciting new take on the character with the same dark urban feeling of the Nolan films, no fuck that the comics since the 80's have always had. If the film is good then people won't care regardless of change of style. Also I'm willing to see a new Batman who doesn't sound like he has something in his throat and I'm sure many audiences would like to see that as well, as Christian Bale was defiantly not the best Batman at least in my eyes.
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Bill isn't proposing a Batman reboot film BEFORE JL in 2015. Atleast I don't think he is.
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im suggesting batman get the literal boot
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I want Flash. That is all I want.
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I just saw the Green Lantern film and i dont understand why so many people hate it.
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I've seen the film as well, and honestly its almost about equal to the first Spiderman film, it's just the editing is a little bit more clunky, and scripting is wonky a little bit.
I still think its better than Superman Returns at least, while many disagree. The reason people dislike it so much is because it was released "Post-Dark knight."
Also keep in mind people are willing to accept a guy who dresses as a Bat, more are they willing to accept a guy who can imagine everything with a ring.
That's a harder sell to the mainstream.
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I've seen the film as well, and honestly its almost about equal to the first Spiderman film, it's just the editing is a little bit more clunky, and scripting is wonky a little bit.
I still think its better than Superman Returns at least, while many disagree. The reason people dislike it so much is because it was released "Post-Dark knight."
Also keep in mind people are willing to accept a guy who dresses as a Bat, more are they willing to accept a guy who can imagine everything with a ring.
That's a harder sell to the mainstream.
The mainstream non comic reading guys can sometimes be total dicks.
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The mainstream non comic reading guys can sometimes be total dicks.
When you have a guy with a nut shack on his head for a villain then why would they be interested?
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/27/joseph-gordon-levitt-to-play-batman-in-justice-league
A rumor has surfaced that apparently Joseph Gordon-Levitt is to play the JLA batman.
If he is the next Batman it would be quite ironic.
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I sorta really hope they don't do the individual movies for each of the big 3 before this movie comes out. Superman is already on it's way and I had been hearing rumors off and on about a Wonder Woman movie for years. I don't think Batman needs another solo movie, but I would be happy to have a Batman more similar to the one we've been getting in the JL cartoons. Anything to get rid of the chain smoking gravel eater voice Christian Bale came up with.
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John Blake as Batman is fine. Better than introducing yet another Bruce Wayne.
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Agreed. They should just continue it with John Blake.
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I think it'd be weird having Blake instead of Bruce. Part of what made JL fun was the Beuce Clark odd friendship. But again I'm thinking of it like a live action version of the cartoon series. Which this most likely won't be.
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http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=70542
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Thank God. I know some people liked the idea of this movie being a sort of continuation of Nolans Batman trilogy, but I can
t see Nolans established universe work well with the outlandish other superheroes on the team. Heck, even Superman is a freaking alien, that just wouldn
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I never for a second believed the story to be true for a second. However, I'm really laughing my ass off even imagining Levitt Gordon in a Bat-suit.
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Thank God. I know some people liked the idea of this movie being a sort of continuation of Nolans Batman trilogy, but I can
t see Nolans established universe work well with the **outlandish** other superheroes on the team. Heck, even Superman is a freaking alien, that just wouldn
t fit. Not to mention you would completely alienate a lot of Batman fans if the guy wearing the mask isn`t Bruce Wayne but a none character that was just introduced in the movies so Batmans legacy could live on.Batman isn't an outlandish character? Also considering Nolan's Batman isn't that far off from the fantastical aspect of his former DC heroes It wouldn't feel too out of place to have him in there, if anything Nolan's Batman is just as outlandish if not more so than some of the other DC characters(he dresses as a Bat, speaks in a goofy gravelly voice and fights crime in a large city to much success). However, I also don't want ''Nolan's grounded not so much realistic universe'' continued as well, because I want something fresh and new and I really don't want remnants of Nolan's "touch' on franchise, plus Bruce Wayne is and and always will be the one. true. Dark Knight.
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Batman isn't an outlandish character? Also considering Nolan's Batman isn't that far off from the fantastical aspect of his former DC heroes It wouldn't feel too out of place to have him in there, if anything Nolan's Batman is just as outlandish if not more so than some of the other DC characters(he dresses as a Bat, speaks in a goofy gravelly voice and fights crime in a large city to much success). However, I also don't want ''Nolan's grounded not so much realistic universe'' continued as well.
I think you misinterpreted what he said. Juxtaposing Nolan's Batman (who is more grounded in reality than any other superhero. His only "outlandish"-ness is incredible stamina/dexterity and massive wealth. However, with the other DC super heroes, we have two aliens, a radiated green guy, and err forgot about the Flash's background (w/e it's still more fantastic than batman). In a movie that "attempted" to strive for realism, it would be odd to break it with this one (assuming they tried to maintain a continuity, but the attempt would be laughable).
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Batman isn't an outlandish character? Also considering Nolan's Batman isn't that far off from the fantastical aspect of his former DC heroes It wouldn't feel too out of place to have him in there, if anything Nolan's Batman is just as outlandish if not more so than some of the other DC characters(he dresses as a Bat, speaks in a goofy gravelly voice and fights crime in a large city to much success). However, I also don't want ''Nolan's grounded not so much realistic universe'' continued as well.
Of course Batman is an outlandish character xD I
m not saying Nolans movies were super realistic or anything…I don
t think that was ever their attempt. But I would compare them more to, I dont know, action movies. Very unrealistic stuff can happen, the main character can survive anything and is tougher than possible for a human being, there are sometimes huge leaps in logic....but there aren
t any crazy fantasy elements in it like aliens or mutants or magic. Those things would be inevitable in a movie including Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern etc.EDIT:
Thanks valiantt, thats exactly what I meant
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Even in the DCAU Gotham city and it's people always felt more grounded when compared to Metropolis
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The one thing that is annoying about comics joining is realizing that Superman or others like him are around while the Dark Knight Rises was going on.
I mean seriously, why would Superman or some other godly superhero not pop in Gotham when the events of Rises happened and clean up the city quick? I mean batman is assumed dead and mia for months or however long it was, been a while since seen movie. The town of Gotham is held hostage to a nuke during that whole time. Seriously Superman pop in for 10 seconds, grab nuke and knock out a couple guys and go back home. or Green Lantern go in and power ring the nuke away or many others.
The first two batman movies were realistic in that I can see why Batman didn't get some "justice League" or other superheroes popping in to take out some crime. But this last one had to have been known to many if not all superheroes in teh world, yet not a single one shows up to help. Like I said it was a city held to hostage to a "nuke" for at least a month.
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DCAU Gotham is just as fantastic as Metropolis.
Anywho, looks like Man of Steel will be the springboard for a Justice League film after all .
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If I read that article carefully, it seems Warner Bros will be shaping the JL Movie with the Man of Steel. This suggests that it is possible that the JL Movie will actually not be based around Man of Steel if it flops (or for other potential reasons).
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DCAU Gotham is just as fantastic as Metropolis.
Sure didn't feel like it what with all the aliens, dimensional portals and battle suits in S:TAS
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Well if we're going by The Animated Series, then Gotham was pretty fantastic but in different areas. No aliens, dimensional portals (I think) and battle suits, but we got giant robots, mutation inducing chemicals, and crazy science/gadgets. Not nearly as fantastic as Metropolis, but still pretty goofy.
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True enough. But that had the whole yesteryears super science feel to it
Like Bane, Clayface and mr Freeze are all fantastical creatures but it's all kinda grounded in "science"
And even creatures like they weren't nearly as regular as the out there stuff on S:TAS
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Most of the heroes traveled around would fight anywhere and everywhere but seemed to stay out of Gotham. I figure it's cause they are afraid to go into Batman's territory lol.
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Maybe there is some sort of unspoken rule about not bothering batman (nor begging him for extra money either).
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Most of the heroes traveled around would fight anywhere and everywhere but seemed to stay out of Gotham. I figure it's cause they are afraid to go into Batman's territory lol.
Maybe there is some sort of unspoken rule about not bothering batman (nor begging him for extra money either).
You mean when Batman is assumed dead by everyone and Gotham has been held hostage from a nuke for a month?
That's what I hated most about the new movie. Most other superhero movies are believable in the respect of only that hero fighting in that movie, because events never escalate too hugely over too LONG of a time. But no Rises had Gotham in hostage situation for a month with nobody fighting for it and not one other DC hero comes in to even see what's up.
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Maybe superman hadn't left the farm yet?
Just because they are in the same universe doesn't mean that they all started out at the same time
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Maybe superman hadn't left the farm yet?
Just because they are in the same universe doesn't mean that they all started out at the same time
That's a great question. How old are the super heroes when you juxtapose them? I know some of them probably don't age normally, but that is a good point you brought up.
In regards to the post above yours, we could ask the same question in Avengers. Where in the world was Spiderman when his city was wrecked apart by aliens? We can have a whole array of answers, but I think the real answer is pretty obvious.
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Maybe superman hadn't left the farm yet?
Just because they are in the same universe doesn't mean that they all started out at the same time
Not talking just superman.
There are hundreds of superheroes in DC and Marvel Universe.
At least one other DC hero should have been able to at least show interest in Batman Rises. I can't imagine a giant city like Gotham being held hostage by a nuclear weapon not getting to other hero's ears and someone wanting to investigate sometime in that month where Batman was absent.
Lets say Superman isn't saving lives yet, but what about Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Martian Manhunter, Captain Marvel, and many more. The only way this Batman Rises movie is believable at all is that somehow Batman is the only superhero in the entire Earth at the present. I'm not saying any of these other heroes have to even know Batman exists, like him or even hell hate him. Gotham City was held hostage for an entire month at least (again only seen movie once so not sure how long it was exactly, wiki says months, plural) and not one hero comes to the town to even try and save it. Most of the entire police force is trapped underground, while the rest of the city is in the most dictatorship style government ever imaginable with people sent to their deaths frequently for trivial things or whatever.
The movie was just so unrealistic in that sense. The writers of superhero movies have to realize that there are other superheroes in the world, even if they don't plan on using a single one. Most other DC and Marvel movies have all done a splendid job in that regard, where it believable that no other superhero would show up. Again done by not having something take MONTHS.
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That's a great question. How old are the super heroes when you juxtapose them? I know some of them probably don't age normally, but that is a good point you brought up.
In regards to the post above yours, we could ask the same question in Avengers. Where in the world was Spiderman when his city was wrecked apart by aliens? We can have a whole array of answers, but I think the real answer is pretty obvious.
Can easily say Spiderman hadn't became spiderman yet in that movie.
The worse thing Marvel has for it is the whole mutants. Its tough to see mutants and non mutants being in same universe. I mean forget spiderman, there should have been a mutant or two (non x-men, just mutants) that should have fought or done something. Its freaking New York, there is bound to be a few there.
BUT the thing Avengers had going for it was, that the whole alien invasion took what a total of an hour from start to finish. That eliminates most superheros from coming to the rescue because they are further than an hour away when they would see this on the TV. Only people like Spiderman who are already in New York or insane heroes like Superman (wrong universe) could come and contribute. X-men could have shown up being in New York, but lets say they were somewhere else over an hour away fighting something else. Again it comes down to believable timeframe. Batman rises failed in that regard. multiple months and no backup is bullshit
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Lets say Superman isn't saving lives yet, but what about Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Martian Manhunter, Captain Marvel, and many more. The only way this Batman Rises movie is believable at all is that somehow Batman is the only superhero in the entire Earth at the present.
Or you know the classic they're busy elsewhere.
If we assume that the movieverse is already fully populated by superheroes doesn't that mean that there are just as many supervillains running about as well?
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You mean when Batman is assumed dead by everyone and Gotham has been held hostage from a nuke for a month?
That's what I hated most about the new movie. Most other superhero movies are believable in the respect of only that hero fighting in that movie, because events never escalate too hugely over too LONG of a time. But no Rises had Gotham in hostage situation for a month with nobody fighting for it and not one other DC hero comes in to even see what's up.
No I mean in general. Not talking about Nolan's stuff.