Just logged in for the first time in 3 years to say i fucking love this manga. Already read it 3 times from start to finish, never get tired of it. So many manly moments. Thank god i saw this thread when it came out.
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From kingmagax
Misc. news: According to Hara Yasuhisa's latest tweet, the manga is officially at its halfway point with the conclusion of the Rao Ai's rebellion arc, achieving unification within Qin. The second half of the manga will begin the week after next as Mr Hara needed some time plan for the second half of the manga.
Mr Hara Yasuhisa's twitter: https://twitter.com/harayassa
It looks like there's a break this week
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Ou Sen is almost certainly one, considering he's historically remembered as the greatest general of the era, plus future spoilers
! He was the one who conquered Chu after historical Shin failed miserably
! So he's likely to get over that wanting his own kingdom, and not betray Qin? Odd.
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! So he's likely to get over that wanting his own kingdom, and not betray Qin? Odd.
Funny, always thought him and Kan ki were definitely being built up as eventual traitors out of selfishness.! Based on what happens in history, Kan Ki is going to be very "disappointing". I'll leave you to interpret that for yourself.
! Man I also really hope that a young Xiang Yu (the man who ends the Qin dynasty, a top 30 general in chinese history and undisputed best fighter in Chinese history, being the only person in recorded history to kill over 100 enemies in battle on 3 occasions, and the only man in history recorded to have done it on foot even once) makes an appearance near the end of the novel, preferably the infamous "I can replace him" scene. I mean they are teasing another Xiang clan member (Kou Yoku) who I can only assume is one of Xiang Yu's uncles.
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! Man I also really hope that a young Xiang Yu (the man who ends the Qin dynasty, a top 30 general in chinese history and undisputed best fighter in Chinese history, being the only person in recorded history to kill over 100 enemies in battle on 3 occasions, and the only man in history recorded to have done it on foot even once) makes an appearance near the end of the novel, preferably the infamous "I can replace him" scene. I mean they are teasing another Xiang clan member (Kou Yoku) who I can only assume is one of Xiang Yu's uncles.
I would be unsure of this happening, because we are already at the halfway point. so
! The rise of the dynasty will take A LOT of effort, I can't imagine the downfall of it being included
And in regards to him being the undisputed best fighter in Chinese history:
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! Based on what happens in history, Kan Ki is going to be very "disappointing". I'll leave you to interpret that for yourself.
! Man I also really hope that a young Xiang Yu (the man who ends the Qin dynasty, a top 30 general in chinese history and undisputed best fighter in Chinese history, being the only person in recorded history to kill over 100 enemies in battle on 3 occasions, and the only man in history recorded to have done it on foot even once) makes an appearance near the end of the novel, preferably the infamous "I can replace him" scene. I mean they are teasing another Xiang clan member (Kou Yoku) who I can only assume is one of Xiang Yu's uncles.
! How so? I've read that he betrays Qin and joins with Yan. There's a source that says he then changed his name and helped with Yan's infamous assassination attempt on Sei.
Could you provide sources that say that for the second spoiler tag? I've never seen that before.
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! How so? I've read that he betrays Qin and joins with Yan. There's a source that says he then changed his name and helped with Yan's infamous assassination attempt on Sei.
Could you provide sources that say that for the second spoiler tag? I've never seen that before.
! He boasts about his ability to conquer Zhao, but ends up getting outplayed by Li Mu (Ri Boku) and seeks asylum with Yan to avoid punishment. You're confusing Kan Ki (Huan Ji) with another Qin general Fan Wuji who went to Yan for protection (and later sacrificed himself to give Jing Ke a chance to assassinate Ying Zheng).
! Do you read Chinese? Here's a verse from Xiang Yu's last chapter: http://zhidao.baidu.com/link?url=HLqAQWLfFgUPBreR-aG4lX3_7reI3jI9wjqi_YQFTm41YHzEo28CX2nFTUXFvXYBcCvBr5JEo_H62drX0_VLDq. If not, the English Wikipedia article summarizes his last stand in his death section too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiang_Yu. Shi Ji records Xiang Yu to have slain over 100 enemies during the battle of Julu, the battle of Pengcheng, and the Wujiang incident. Each time he led forces less than 10 times the size of his opponents and won the first two decisively. Those sound like ridiculous odds, but I trust that a historian as highly regarded as Sima Qian did his homework and kept the numbers somewhat accurate. Xiang Yu's last stand was a stupidly one sided 26 vs tens of thousands fight, and this was without most of his top fighters too, having either died (Long Ju, nearly every member of the personal force he led into battles) been separated from him (Zhongli Mo, Ji Bu) or betrayed him (Ying Bu), so it was essentially 26 no-name soldiers to boot. The result was hundreds of Han soldiers dying, including allegedly 60 officers (I'm not sure if I believe the latter part myself considering how officers should at minimum be the modern equivalents of black belts, I'm guessing they counted 10 man leaders and such as "officers"), with the hegemon king of Western Chu having slain over 100 by himself. The end of the battle was a 1 vs tens of thousands of soldiers bloodbath, and having sustained tens of injuries himself, his pride and refusal to be captured/slain in battle led him to shout out something like "my head is why you went through all this right? if that's all you wanted, then take it and claim your reward my friend" then slit his throat. The ensuing brawl led to dozens of Han soldiers being injured as Xiang Yu's body was hacked into 6 pieces with each returning a fortune. There's a joke that a dead Xiang Yu is a more valuable fighter than most soldiers. Of course you might be more skeptical of the near unthinkable idea that someone can slay 100 enemies on foot, but considering these feats were recorded by Xiang's ENEMIES, and the trend is for the winners that write history to downplay their opponent's achievements if anything, Xiang more likely than not did actually pull it off.
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I would be unsure of this happening, because we are already at the halfway point. so
! The rise of the dynasty will take A LOT of effort, I can't imagine the downfall of it being included
And in regards to him being the undisputed best fighter in Chinese history:
! https://41.media.tumblr.com/890ff294a448b05ac68284bbb6b09c51/tumblr_n7ve09jNr01sqw027o1_500.jpgI'd put my money on Lu Bu
! Yeah, the appearance of kid Xiang Yu is more wishful thinking from me than anything, based on the fact that we have someone with the same surname in the manga. The other scene I want that will probably never get included is Zhao Gao's rise to power and the "it's a horse, not a deer" story. The remaining events I look forward to most are the Zhao campaign, the Jing Ke assasination attempt, and Meng Tian (Mou Ten)'s rise as defender of the realm with the growing threat of the Huns.
! I'm guessing you're not Chinese lol, the only time I see people putting anyone besides Xiang Yu at #1 is when they're trolling and voting for Qin Hui or something. Lu Bu, at the very best, competes with the likes of Ran Min, Li Cunxiao, Yang Zaixing etc for #2. Keep in mind that his Romance of the Three Kingdoms interpretation is exaggerated and he was never recorded to have tied Guan Yu+Zhang Fei+Liu Bei in battle (though him slaying Guo Si is in fact found in historical records). Honestly I'm not even sure if Lu Bu is the definitive #1 of his era considering the feats Guan Yu/Zhang Liao/Xu Chu/Sun Ce etc pulled off. Lu Bu was more known for his godlike archery skills, and coincidentally has been compared to Xin's legendary great grandson in that respect.
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http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Kingdom/Vol-041-Ch-439v000–Whereabouts-of-the-Six-Generals?id=236283
Best Girl is back, and taking that 6 General spot.
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The way things are going General Zod, Grievous, or Ross will take the final spot.
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The way things are going General Zod, Grievous, or Ross will take the final spot.
! considering mouten ends up as a critically important court official and ouhon never appears in the historical records as a major general i'm pretty sure shin is the only one from his generation who's going into the six. (unless mouten will function in the same way as rinshoujo as a bit of both)
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! considering mouten ends up as a critically important court official and ouhon never appears in the historical records as a major general i'm pretty sure shin is the only one from his generation who's going into the six. (unless mouten will function in the same way as rinshoujo as a bit of both)
Wait what?
! Ouhon was like, Qin's second best general behind Ousen. He took Wei and Qi by himself.
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Wait what?
! Ouhon was like, Qin's second best general behind Ousen. He took Wei and Qi by himself.
! Shin was with Ouhon in Qi.
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! As for the Six Great Generals, locks are Ou Sen, Mou Bu, and Tou. Remaining 3 could go to Shin, Ou Hon, and Kyou Kai. I could see Kan Ki being named one, but not for long(history). Maybe Yo Tan Wa, but I doubt it since she is outside help.
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! Shin was with Ouhon Qi.
Source please? I know Aohige's mentioned it but I haven't come across it in my readings.
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Source please? I know Aohige's mentioned it but I haven't come across it in my readings.
Read it on the the mangafox forum, has a lot of facts on the many characters in Kingdom. http://forums.mangafox.me/threads/477476-The-Ultimate-Facts-Thread-on-Kingdom-Characters?p=12265976&viewfull=1#post12265976
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! considering mouten ends up as a critically important court official and ouhon never appears in the historical records as a major general i'm pretty sure shin is the only one from his generation who's going into the six. (unless mouten will function in the same way as rinshoujo as a bit of both)
! Huh? Mouten is by far and away the most highly regarded of the 3, considered the Li Guang of China before Xin's DNA had sired Li Guang. Based on Ouhon's military accomplishments (major contributions at Chu, Wei, and Qi vs just Yan for Xin), he's comfortably ahead of Xin as well.
@Gatekeeper:Source please? I know Aohige's mentioned it but I haven't come across it in my readings.
! Xin played a supporting role to the Wang family against Qi.
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! Huh? Mouten is by far and away the most highly regarded of the 3, considered the Li Guang of China before Xin's DNA had sired Li Guang. Based on Ouhon's military accomplishments (major contributions at Chu, Wei, and Qi vs just Yan for Xin), he's comfortably ahead of Xin as well.
! Xin played a supporting role to the Wang family against Qi.
! yeah its been a while since i read up on that part of history and after looking through it again i was confusing ouhon's achievements with ousen's.
On a side note was ou kotsu from the original six generals part of the same Ou family?
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It's possible that he was at least related to the rest of the Ou family, seeing as Ou ki was from a branch family
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! yeah its been a while since i read up on that part of history and after looking through it again i was confusing ouhon's achievements with ousen's.
On a side note was ou kotsu from the original six generals part of the same Ou family?
Ou Kotsu and Ou Ki are the exact same person, at least according to Sima Qian.
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Ch 440 spoilers http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3920257901! Summary of the spoilers, courtesy to the tieba user, 咪了个汪的, who translated the conversation into chinese.
-Apparently, the Chu court is now in chaos after the death of SSK. Renpa introduced the man from the Chu court to Karin as the man seems to have something to say to Karing. However Karin seems uninterested as she hates politics.
-While the man also said he hates generals, he said at this time he had to bow to Karin as she is currently the second best general and the most influential one in Chu and therefore he needed her power to command the 300,000 men in the southern fortress(es).
-The others questioned why he wanted her to command such huge number of troops and he replied that he plans to make both Karin and himself the new prime minister and build a new Chu.
-Karin then said:”So it’s you”, and the man replied that he is Li Yuan, the man who assassinated SSK.
! >! Some information on Li Yuan: He was a man from Zhao and had his sister marry Lord ChunShen (Shunshinkun). He then suggested that SSK give her to the king of Chu when she was found pregnant, so that his nephew will become a royalty. With the help of SSK, both Li Yuan and SSK became prominent figures in the Chu court. When the king of Chu passed away, he assassinated SSK and his nephew successfully became the new king of Chu
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! I feel bad for Shunshinkun… Good character and part of the best arc in Kingdom! But now is time for war...
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Shunshinkun actually felt like a character who deserved his position, unlike those cough "legendary generals of the week" cough.
Which is a bit odd considering he did little as far I can remember: he went on a revenge against that eastern state after the coalition, and had lots of conversations with "reebok-sama" but I don't recall him making any big plays or anything. Maybe it's his character design?
Maybe someone with a better memory could refresh me?
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Shunshinkun actually felt like a character who deserved his position, unlike those cough "legendary generals of the week" cough.
Which is a bit odd considering he did little as far I can remember: he went on a revenge against that eastern state after the coalition, and had lots of conversations with "reebok-sama" but I don't recall him making any big plays or anything. Maybe it's his character design?
Maybe someone with a better memory could refresh me?
Maybe it was his aura? As he wasn't really hyped to be a great general but was one of the Four Lords of the Warring States?
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Shunshinkun actually felt like a character who deserved his position, unlike those cough "legendary generals of the week" cough.
Which is a bit odd considering he did little as far I can remember: he went on a revenge against that eastern state after the coalition, and had lots of conversations with "reebok-sama" but I don't recall him making any big plays or anything. Maybe it's his character design?
Maybe someone with a better memory could refresh me?
We only saw the last 5 years of his life from a Qin-centric perspective, but he was one of the most important people of his generation and accomplished many things.
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Been far too long since I last made a post, but this manga is simply an awesome series.
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New chapter is out.
http://bato.to/read/_/336868/kingdom_v41_ch441v0_by_turnip-farmers! Looks like we are going to get some Kan Ki action, which I greatly look forward to.
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My Kingdom review! Enjoy :)
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Oh nice, Shin gets a chance to overshadow one of the prime candidates for Six.
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16 characters of Kyou Kai:wub:
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Oh, this might get complicated and problematic, Kanki´s style of warfare is something that disgusts Shin after all
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It does? I don't think they've ever officially interacted with each other though.
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It does? I don't think they've ever officially interacted with each other though.
We have seen that Shin has his own principles about warfare though, which include unnecessary cruelty, though i guess we could discuss whether it´s actually necessary or unnecessary considering the effect it has on the opponents and ultimately on the outcome of a battle.
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Right, but thus far we haven't seen Kanki do anything dastardly. What he did at the wall was one of if not my favorite part of the coalition war. You can tell by his inner monologues that he has (at least in the manga) some sense of justice and chivalry. He may pull some sneaky or what others may consider underhanded tactics one wouldn't normally take, but I think overall he's not going to be one that bury his enemies alive. Plus this will be in my opinion the most interesting general he's been paired up with since ouki. This should be one of the most exciting battles this time around. And, if they're going to Zhao we all know what this could mean.
Shin v ri boku pt 2
Shin v hou ken pt 4
Shin v fu tie pt2 (though this one I'm less interested to see but ya know)
Ten v Kaine pt2
And as some have speculated even shin v Kanki. (But I doubt it will be more than just clashing of beliefs and a quick scuffle of swords.Either way, it's going to start getting interesting again!
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Right, but thus far we haven't seen Kanki do anything dastardly. What he did at the wall was one of if not my favorite part of the coalition war. You can tell by his inner monologues that he has (at least in the manga) some sense of justice and chivalry. He may pull some sneaky or what others may consider underhanded tactics one wouldn't normally take, but I think overall he's not going to be one that bury his enemies alive. Plus this will be in my opinion the most interesting general he's been paired up with since ouki. This should be one of the most exciting battles this time around. And, if they're going to Zhao we all know what this could mean.
Shin v ri boku pt 2
Shin v hou ken pt 4
Shin v fu tie pt2 (though this one I'm less interested to see but ya know)
Ten v Kaine pt2
And as some have speculated even shin v Kanki. (But I doubt it will be more than just clashing of beliefs and a quick scuffle of swords.Either way, it's going to start getting interesting again!
He burns enemies who have already surrendered alive, he cuts of noses, ears, and pulls out their eyes when they are alive, this is far more than "underhanded" tactics. I am not talking about that i dislike Kanki, it´s the opposite really, but it´s something that Shin will not be able to tolerate. Of course they probably will not fight, like you said, it´s more like a clash of beliefs, but he might ignore orders or something.
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History spoiler
! I didn't think that all of the Kanki stuff happened so quickly after Sei's ascension to the throne. Damn, I was hoping to get a lot more out of him as a General.
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I wonder how many years it will take before this gets a Western release….
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442 spoiler summary
! > -As Shin met up with the main body of Kanki’s army, Kanki was burning dead bodies of the enemies.
-Kanki commented on Shin and co.’s way of fighting as childish, and is disappointed with them.
-Since they are now under him, he wants them to them to change their style of fighting to suit his, which includes plundering, torturing and killing, basically anything that he wants them to do.
-Shin wanted to say something but was stopped by Kanki, who says that it is all for victory and this is also an opportunity for HSU to grow and learn from him how adults fight in battles. With that, he welcomes HSU to the Kanki army.
-Chapter ends with a hint of the next chapter, which will be talking about the Zhao army.
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Wooo~~~ raws out, can't wait for it to be translated.
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Spoilers sounds great so far, can't wait for the chapter to be translated.
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Yup, just like predicted, this combo is gonna be problematic
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This must the part where the MC goes through the Hell Training.
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This must the part where the MC goes through the Hell Training.
Even though its not Shonen.Well Shin already had it when Ouki kicked him off a cliff.
I don't want Kanki to die (basically because he's hot), but knowing Shin he may let him live in shame and then he will join Chu probably
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Well Shin already had it when Ouki kicked him off a cliff.
I don't want Kanki to die (basically because he's hot), but knowing Shin he may let him live in shame and then he will join Chu probably
Kanki is based on a historical figure as well, so you can read up on what happens to him, his Chinese name is Huan Ji
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Kanki is based on a historical figure as well, so you can read up on what happens to him, his Chinese name is Huan Ji
I don't know how many liberties Hara takes (if any), but i prefer to just enjoy the manga as it goes on without previous knowledge of the events
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Good chapter, Shin felt that rejection aura from Kingdom, heh.
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As a 21st century human, I got one thing to say about Kanki's claim that his way is the mature adult way of warfare.
No Kanki, quite the opposite. Pillaging, plundering, raping, is how a young and barbaric cultures play. A mature civilization adheres to discipline, ya savage uncultured swine.
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Ch443 Spoilers http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3991876607
! credits: kingmagax -The Zhao commander-in-chief is confirmed to be Keisha. I like how the design of his horse armor matches his buns…and the horse looks like it just came out from a chess board…
-The new guy, who is also a general, is Ji Hui(Chinese name). He is a fictional character and is Keisha’s second-in-command.
-The size of the Zhao army is 70,000, with Keisha leading 40,000 and Ji Hui leading 30,000. No mention of the size of the Qin army.
-Chapter ends with the Zhao army marching out. The war should hopefully start in the next chapter.
