@Purple:
At this point I think it's pretty clear it's just a difference of opinion, so we should just leave it at that. Let's bring it back to our regularly scheduled Kingdom.
Err… tomorrow.
Actually the next batch of chapters is on sunday
@Turnip:
Next release will likely be 3 chapters next Sunday.
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1. If cornered the guy can stand his ground and defend himself. Those scars and muscles are not just for show, surely the guy has a fair share of fights in his lifetjme before becoming a great heaven.
2. Yes at that precursor stage. Wrong , shin mentions that he doeznt feel a strategists aura crom riboku , what other type of aura do you think shin mean ? Political pressure like Ryofui 's ? Surely you jest right ? Besides being a strategist surely it can only mean martial aura. Then we have that little confrontation that verify's Riboku isn' just all brains.
3. Like I said , why bother fighting and risking your own hide when you have someone who convenientky showed up to that for you. Did he really not know about gekishin ? Thr guy has an outstanding information gathering methods.
4. No. Strength experience and skills. He overpowered shin on their skirmish. He will overpower him again if they have another skirmish now. You think Riboku was at full strength and seriousness during their skirmish ? Lol.
Crap, since the chapters aren't going to be out tomorrow, I'd love to continue to argue.
1. I don't know why you are arguing this point, since you've kinda just reiterated my argument. Yeah, he can fight and has been in fights, but we just disagree on his prowess. His scars do prove that he has been on the battlefield but it does also prove that 1) he isn't a good fighter to receive those scars or 2) he's fought multiple opponents on great general level. You are probably going to argue for the second point but wouldn't a man with such a martial record be noticed before he showed up in the Zhao arc?
2. I've reread that arc so I'll concede this point to you but I'll ask you to keep in mind this, hype hype hype…
3. You have a point there but Houken's the damn commander in chief. Gekishin was a great general in Yan and his fucking poison cats or dogs were there. That is enough to pose a risk to a coward's "strategies". Where does it say that he has outstanding information gathering methods (the mountain people and Saitaku say hello)? If he knew Gekishin slew some bushins (no matter how phony) in the past, that alone would create some doubt in his mind.
4. Lol, what made you think Reebok wasn't serious? If this isn't his serious face http://www.mangahere.com/manga/kingdom/v24/c260/6.html I don't know what is. Yeah, he could have been holding back, but not as much as you think.
All in all, I'm willing to concede this whole argument to you in favor of the author showing which one of us is wrong in the future, since other people are sick of it. It's been fun.
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Hopefully we get to Kyou Kai's story arc in the next few chapters. How strong do you guys think her sister's killer is?
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Hopefully we get to Kyou Kai's story arc in the next few chapters. How strong do you guys think her sister's killer is?
She should be around Kyoukai's level, probably a little bit better or the fight would have no meaning. But the sister was killed when she was ganged up so…
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Crap, since the chapters aren't going to be out tomorrow, I'd love to continue to argue.
1. I don't know why you are arguing this point, since you've kinda just reiterated my argument. Yeah, he can fight and has been in fights, but we just disagree on his prowess. His scars do prove that he has been on the battlefield but it does also prove that 1) he isn't a good fighter to receive those scars or 2) he's fought multiple opponents on great general level. You are probably going to argue for the second point but wouldn't a man with such a martial record be noticed before he showed up in the Zhao arc?
2. I've reread that arc so I'll concede this point to you but I'll ask you to keep in mind this, hype hype hype…
3. You have a point there but Houken's the damn commander in chief. Gekishin was a great general in Yan and his fucking poison cats or dogs were there. That is enough to pose a risk to a coward's "strategies". Where does it say that he has outstanding information gathering methods (the mountain people and Saitaku say hello)? If he knew Gekishin slew some bushins (no matter how phony) in the past, that alone would create some doubt in his mind.
4. Lol, what made you think Reebok wasn't serious? If this isn't his serious face http://www.mangahere.com/manga/kingdom/v24/c260/6.html I don't know what is. Yeah, he could have been holding back, but not as much as you think.
All in all, I'm willing to concede this whole argument to you in favor of the author showing which one of us is wrong in the future, since other people are sick of it. It's been fun.
Well then, I guess I shall oblige your request.
1. Yes, I was trying to say to you the guy can hold his ground against great general class officers. As you have pointed out, I pick number 2. He would be noticed if he wants to be noticed, it seems that he could have blocked out any information pertaining to his fights, just like how he blocked all information on how he defeated Xiongnu. I think he doesn't want the enemy states to learn of his potential just yet or he just doesnt want to be in the spotlight who knows what his reasons are but certainly a great general class officer can certainly be unnoticed if he decides to be invisible and remain in the shadows good examples are Tou, Ousen, and Kanki.
2. YOU HAVE CONCEDED! –-- No. 2 is officially over.
3. Commander in chief in title only. Remember that Wei general who was also a commander in chief, that one butchered by Kanki? Dispensable commander in chiefs are very handy. Remember that first time we met Riboku and Kaine? the guy goes to such length to gather information on his enemies I wouldn't be surprised if he dug up something on Gekishin as well. In regards to Gekishin fighting bushins, after Houken's fight against Ouki and his apparent lumber jack training in the forest, Riboku must have been confident Houken can take care of himself.
4. Doesn't even look remotely serious to me. Looking at Shin's face compare it to that...you can tell who Shin is more serious than Riboku.
Keyword is in due time. Riboku only has plot armor for so long...he will die soon, that is a given. Yes its been fun 
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Hopefully we get to Kyou Kai's story arc in the next few chapters. How strong do you guys think her sister's killer is?
I would say weaker than her sister. Their so called selection process was rigged in the first place, anyone at the top of that is not strong in my opinion.
I want to comment on gatekeeper's post but then again I might spoil you with unscanlated raw discussion.
4. Doesn't even look remotely serious to me. Looking at Shin's face compare it to that…you can tell who Shin is more serious than Riboku.
Whited out eyes, furrowed brow, no smile.
It is the only scene I can remember where he is not in deep thought or wearing a ungodly smug expression.
I guess he could have a few veins bursting out of his forehead and neck, but there is no way that face is not serious.
Serious or not I just thought that scene was him kinda relapsing into his old fighting ways.
A bunch of new chapters. And good ones to boot.
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So Mobou got the same thing as the other six generals?
Also that cut to Koukai which basically gave two chapters the same cliffhangers felt badly executed.
Ouhon why are such a Wang Ben.
One would think Hara should not write an important secondary character to be as unlikable as him. At least that is the point with Houken, but in this case I can't find any redeeming circumstances for his character. And looking at his historical accomplishments his real screen time is yet to come which doesn't sound all that appealing.
At least this time around we had some down time with the Hi Shin squad. Gakurai and his men are a welcome addition to the squad and it was certainly interesting to hear their motivation to go with Shin. These kinds of simple quiet moments make it easier to carry on with the long draining battles and are actually what I have come to look forward the most in this manga. Strange how that works.
I actually like Ouhon's character.
Duke Hyou's men were all insanely strong, so I expect them to be a very good addition to the Hi Shin unit. It won't be long before Ouhon,Mouten, and Shin become generals, they're ranking up pretty fast.
Kyou kai is pretty much in the same position her sister was in when she got killed, it'll be interesting to see how much difficulty she has winning this fight. She'll probably be able to take out the other fighters without losing too much energy, and than have a high difficulty fight against the Shiryuu.
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Yeah, it would've nice if there was anything obviously likeable about Ouhon and Ousen, since they are so prominent in the history of this era. Their personalities are okay for now, it is expected of elitist peeps, but I would like a little more substance for Ousen. Hopefully the Kyoukai arc will breeze through rather fast, didn't like that arc in the raws.
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Yeah, it would've nice if there was anything obviously likeable about Ouhon and Ousen, since they are so prominent in the history of this era. Their personalities are okay for now, it is expected of elitist peeps, but I would like a little more substance for Ousen. Hopefully the Kyoukai arc will breeze through rather fast, didn't like that arc in the raws.
Ousen is pretty enigmatic at the moment, we'll probably get a flashback explaining why he wants to be a king some time in the future.
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Ouhon why are such a Wang Ben.
One would think Hara should not write an important secondary character to be as unlikable as him. At least that is the point with Houken, but in this case I can't find any redeeming circumstances for his character. And looking at his historical accomplishments his real screen time is yet to come which doesn't sound all that appealing.
At least this time around we had some down time with the Hi Shin squad. Gakurai and his men are a welcome addition to the squad and it was certainly interesting to hear their motivation to go with Shin. These kinds of simple quiet moments make it easier to carry on with the long draining battles and are actually what I have come to look forward the most in this manga. Strange how that works.
I don't know why, but in nearly every manga i like the inbetween chapters the most, probably cause these chapters are lighthearted and well developed characterization shows off.
So Mobou got the same thing as the other six generals?
I think he got two pieces of land and the others got only one.
So Mobou got the same thing as the other six generals?
Also that cut to Koukai which basically gave two chapters the same cliffhangers felt badly executed.
I think the statement that he was the one special general was a reward in itself, shouheikun is basically saying that even when all the top Qin generals were on the stage and all performed remarkably he managed to distinguish himself and that he is now basically the number 1 general in Qin, in the same way Ouki was the biggest symbol of power for Qin.
shouheikun is basically saying that even when all the top Qin generals were on the stage and all performed remarkably he managed to distinguish himself and that he is now basically the number 1 general in Qin, in the same way Ouki was the biggest symbol of power for Qin.
Which is quite a bit ironic, because his main achievement during the war (not considering him following the alliance afterwards), was just one single duel, which could have ended just as easily with him being defeated.
And if Karin hadnt choosen to send her troops into the mountains to attack Kankoku Pass from behind, she could have ambushed Mobou with ease and probably would not only have him killed, but would likely even cause his whole battlefront to collapse. He is one lucky guy.
And I wonder how Karin is faring and what her position is now. Is she getting the blame for the poor performance of Chu or being praised for her actions during the war? She is a fictional character, right? So, there is no saying what will happen to her. (And we really need a Chu arc somewhere before the unification wars are starting)
And I wonder how Karin is faring and what her position is now. Is she getting the blame for the poor performance of Chu or being praised for her actions during the war? She is a fictional character, right? So, there is no saying what will happen to her. (And we really need a Chu arc somewhere before the unification wars are starting)
She probably put the blame on Shunshinkun (Lord Chunshen, I can't remember his name), Kanmei, Rinbukun, and Reebok. I'm also hoping that we'll see a Chu arc since
! Chunshen gets assassinated
She should be around Kyoukai's level, probably a little bit better or the fight would have no meaning. But the sister was killed when she was ganged up so…
I think you guys underestimate a Shiyu (Chihyu).
Anyone achieving that status is comparable to the "War God" Houken.
I think you guys underestimate a Shiyu (Chihyu).
Anyone achieving that status is comparable to the "War God" Houken.
She cheated though, does that still count? If she was that strong why does she keep ganging up?
I think you guys underestimate a Shiyu (Chihyu).
Anyone achieving that status is comparable to the "War God" Houken.
Underestimate? Hardly. I'm just suggesting that if she was a pushover compared to Kyoukai, the fight would be "under-hyped" per se. But the current Shiyu's cred is undermined by the fact that Kyoukai's sister was killed by a gang up AND so far, she had no achievements under her belt to suggest otherwise. I have seen the fight so I'm just posting under a non-raws perspective.
! The current shiyu looks like she can give Houken a good fight since she's not handicapped by Kyoukai's short breath. Hell, I'll even say that Kyoukai's sister could kill Houken, albeit encountering much difficulty in doing so.
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http://www.mangabird.com/kingdom-383 I've found the Chinese scans for 383
! it's a motherfucking showdown! much hype
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Underestimate? Hardly. I'm just suggesting that if she was a pushover compared to Kyoukai, the fight would be "under-hyped" per se. But the current Shiyu's cred is undermined by the fact that Kyoukai's sister was killed by a gang up AND so far, she had no achievements under her belt to suggest otherwise. I have seen the fight so I'm just posting under a non-raws perspective.
On the contrary, that lady from the Kyou tribe Kyoukai just talked to made mention as to Yuuren's activities prior to this fight. It ties in nicely with pretty much exactly all the wars that Kyoukai has participated in, too. Seems she's been making very good use of her reputation and skills as the Shiyuu, with her only falling out of service with both states she's been in because she's incredibly diffiuclt to control (and by that I mean insane)
And yeah, she did use a ganging up sorta trickery, but it seems it was more out of the benefit of an agreement between tribes, so we don't actually know if she needed it or not.
@Purple:
On the contrary, that lady from the Kyou tribe Kyoukai just talked to made mention as to Yuuren's activities prior to this fight. It ties in nicely with pretty much exactly all the wars that Kyoukai has participated in, too. Seems she's been making very good use of her reputation and skills as the Shiyuu, with her only falling out of service with both states she's been in because she's incredibly diffiuclt to control (and by that I mean insane)
Still a gray area for me as to what she did. All I got from that piece of info was that, "Holy Shit, I won the ritual and let's just lose my shit altogether!!" but that's just my interpretation of going off the "deep end". BTW my previous post was before I read the chapters.
And I must be the only one to think Garo's statement was about something else, but then I remembered Kyoukai.
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Still a gray area for me as to what she did. All I got from that piece of info was that, "Holy Shit, I won the ritual and let's just lose my shit altogether!!" but that's just my interpretation of going off the "deep end". BTW my previous post was before I read the chapters.
I'd say that the fact that the Zhao still keep in contact with her is a good sign that she's still sharp with the whole shiyuu skills, and Wei sounds like they pretty much enjoyed her service besides, you know, being completely off the deep end.
@Purple:
I'd say that the fact that the Zhao still keep in contact with her is a good sign that she's still sharp with the whole shiyuu skills, and Wei sounds like they pretty much enjoyed her service besides, you know, being completely off the deep end.
Or maybe it's because the Zhao king is "off the deep end" too, cuz he was implied to be not entirely sane and with "certain" fetishes. I guess they just enjoy each other's company? Hell, the Zhao king was desperate to reform the three great heavens so
! if she didn't die, Yuuren for third great heavens spot, talk about invincibility But then again, hype and gray achievements area. The Wei king looked perfectly stable though, my favorite king besides the badass, nutcracking Chu mofo.
She cheated though, does that still count? If she was that strong why does she keep ganging up?
It's a smart tactic, even if she was the strongest person in that clan doing something like this would be ideal if possible. I do think that it implies that she's weaker than Kyou Kai and her sister though. She should be strong enough to give Kyou Kai a high difficulty fight.
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Eh, I won't reply to these for sake of avoiding spoiler.
but if you insist,
! She's way higher class than you people give credit for, to the point it takes a near-death-Super Kyokaian bullshit powerup to beat her
Well I "reread" the raws and
! Kyoukai does have to go through some odd twenty "fodder Shiyuus" first, who I assume under normal circumstances, aren't exactly pushover opponents. Kyoukai does struggle greatly against Yuuren and does resort to some emotional type power up to beat her. I'm probably underestimating her because I don't understand the dialogue but I still don't believe she's way out of Kyoukai's league. Ugh, it's hard to gauge the abilities of those who play dirty.
No, you're not reading it right. Or rather, you can't even read the lines.
It ain't some "oh I'm more determined so I came back" emotional bullshit, it's an actual technique.
I made my analogy above, it's pretty much spot on.
I'm not gonna explain it, you'll get your scanlation soon enough, I'm sure.
Oh? It's an actual technique? Well then, I stand corrected. On another note,
! The author does address the reason why the lady from the Kyou tribe shows up injured (scratches on her face) right?
Unless I'm crazy didn't that chapter just get scanlated? It's the last one from Sunday's batch.
So, I just got to the most recently translated chapter, and I want to say that this manga is awesome.
There were times I would read 30~40 chapters in a row, even though I'm a slow reader.
It's going to be painful to wait for new chapters when the scanlations become weekly.
I just started on this series and I must say it's freaking AMAZING. I started with watching the anime up to where it ended, and basically read the manga from where the anime got cut off to the most recent translated chapters. I'm absolutely loving it right now. Have any of you guys seen the anime? How do you think it compares with the manga? To me, anime is vastly superior to manga in nearly every way. The only reason why I'd even read a manga is if the anime isn't out yet. However, that's only when the anime is a perfect adaptation of the manga. Where do you think the anime falters, and do you think it's enough to the point where I'd need to read the manga to get the best experience?
Also, how often does the author release chapters and how often are they translated? Loving the series so far, but I'm having trouble telling what percentage of the series is complete. I have a feeling the first half would be Shin's journey to becoming a general, and the second half is conquering all of China with Sei, so this manga could very well be over 1,000 chapters once it's completed but it's hard to tell. What do you guys think?
It's a shame this series doesn't get more recognition.
I blinked and stopped reading at "To me, anime is vastly superior to manga in nearly every way."
@DS:
I just started on this series and I must say it's freaking AMAZING. I started with watching the anime up to where it ended, and basically read the manga from where the anime got cut off to the most recent translated chapters. I'm absolutely loving it right now. Have any of you guys seen the anime? How do you think it compares with the manga? To me, anime is vastly superior to manga in nearly every way. The only reason why I'd even read a manga is if the anime isn't out yet. However, that's only when the anime is a perfect adaptation of the manga. Where do you think the anime falters, and do you think it's enough to the point where I'd need to read the manga to get the best experience?
Also, how often does the author release chapters and how often are they translated? Loving the series so far, but I'm having trouble telling what percentage of the series is complete. I have a feeling the first half would be Shin's journey to becoming a general, and the second half is conquering all of China with Sei, so this manga could very well be over 1,000 chapters once it's completed but it's hard to tell. What do you guys think?
It's a shame this series doesn't get more recognition.
The anime is horrible because it has a shit budget and skips entire arcs.
Read the manga from chapter 1… scan are almost caught up and will be released in bunches of 2-4 chapters every 3 or 4 days until we reached the most recent one, after which it will be 1 chapter per week.
The anime is made by Pierrot, them sticking with the actual story is an achievement by itself;
Not to mention the censorship of the anime definitely dilutes the emotional and hard earned battles IMO.
As much as i like Kyoukai that thing about deepness and their trances having names smells fishy. I just hope it sticks and not a one-time thing. It can be used to explain how Houken fights and what he is so special about him especially. Since basically if you have a God War inside you, you don't need to be someone special to rock. I guess one of the things Houken has inside him has a name like the dancer's trance buddies. I'm just hoping we won't get a Zangetsu like concept, that would be sad. I'm thinking maybe Kyoukai remembering her friends make her fly rather than sink. I'll just wait
@DS:
The only reason why I'd even read a manga is if the anime isn't out yet. However, that's only when the anime is a perfect adaptation of the manga. Where do you think the anime falters, and do you think it's enough to the point where I'd need to read the manga to get the best experience?
I hate people like that. If you like the source material well enough, then why dont you read it instead of a shitty and badly executed anime adaption? The art is great, the pace (well, except for the first arc) and scan/translation quality as well. What is stopping you?
@DS:
Also, how often does the author release chapters and how often are they translated?
The author releases weekly, the translations are 2 on Thursday and 3 on Sunday, but with the thursday ones often being dropped in the last months. Its not a problem though, because we have almost catched up, just the current and another mini arc left.
@DS:
Loving the series so far, but I'm having trouble telling what percentage of the series is complete. I have a feeling the first half would be Shin's journey to becoming a general, and the second half is conquering all of China with Sei, so this manga could very well be over 1,000 chapters once it's completed but it's hard to tell. What do you guys think?
It depends how much the Unification campaigns are getting expanded and how much filler (that is not meant in a bad way, just how much the blank space will be filled between the historical given events) we will get before. But at the very start of the Unification, we should be over the half-way point.
I blinked and stopped reading at "To me, anime is vastly superior to manga in nearly every way."
Sadly, a lot of people think like that. It was completely impossible to bring some people to read that manga about the stupid titans or JoJo, which is just too silly and outdated. And now the same people wont stop talking about these two, once the anime started.
Its kinda the same with the A Song of Ice and Fire books -> Game of Thrones TV show.
You know, because reading is just for nerds.
From my very limited perspective on anime, I find that series that mainly depend on action don't do so well with the anime transition, especially those that are gory and stuff. It's too diluted and just doesn't flow well, not to mention the censoring and catering to kids. I find that more comedy reliant series, like Gintama and Ouran High School Host Club, are better than their manga counterparts. I would rather watch an episode of Gintama than read it. Just my opinion though, I could be wrong because I shun anime in general.
I don't think anime is bad, just anime adaptations.
On the real topic at hand though …
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Evil villain's random clutching of breast is pretty random
Because japanese women have their hearts in their tits. Duh !
Aren't they Chinese though?
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I blinked and stopped reading at "To me, anime is vastly superior to manga in nearly every way."
To me it is. The fact is Manga has to fit a certain amount of information into 18 pages. Anime has a little over 20 minutes to fit information. Not only that, but you also get sound in anime. The fact is, as I said in my post which you apparently ignored, when you compare a perfect anime adaptation, anime is superior. But, as I also said, it's nearly impossible to find a perfect anime adaptation, so you lose a lot in anime adaptation which is why I understand why people would choose to read the manga.
Plus, with anime, you get a certain clarity you miss almost entirely with manga. In manga, especially action and sports manga, everything is done one frame at a time. So because you're stuck at 18 or so pages, things like swinging a sword don't give you the full effect. Where in anime you watch the character swing the sword, hear the character scream, the swing goes around ,and clashes with the opponents sword with a loud clank, you might only get a frame of the guy about to swing his sword along with the frame of the sword hitting the opponent's sword. You lose so much in that one little scene. And it becomes especially problematic in action mangas like One Piece that are creative in its attacks. It can be quite difficult to figure out what the hell is going on in the fight. The fact is the anime is the only way to fully experience a fight. I don't know how you can compare one frame of Luffy looking pissed then the next frame of a bunch of arms flying around with text around it saying "Gatling gun" to Luffy looking pissed, see his face build with anger up as he stretches his arm into his attack and screaming at the top of his lungs "Gatling gun!!!!" with the furious emotion you can only get in anime and some kickass music to help the fight. I'm sorry, I just don't get how you can compare that. Plus, you can add little touches into anime that wouldn't fit into manga because of your 18 page limitation like the brief image of Ace as Luffy did the Red Hawk attack. Sure, I get that it's filler, but that little bit brought an emotion to the scene you just couldn't get in the manga. And, if Oda had the space, I think he would've done it too.
It has nothing to do with not wanting to be nerdy or not wanting to read or that I'm too lazy, it's that you get so much more out of 20 minute anime episode than an 18 page manga. From the better clarity and detail in what's going on in a scene, to the grander emotion from things you get like sound, to the simple fact you get even less content in the 18 pages because of text boxes, I don't get why you'd choose manga over anime in a perfect anime adaptation besides the fact the manga is the source material. Oh yeah, and I like the fact anime's colored. Sure, some mangas are colored or have some chapters colored, but how many are colored all the time? It's like comparing a black and white movie to a color one. Color brings so much more to the table.
This is just my opinion though, and I'm not gonna shit on those who enjoy manga more. But most of what I'm saying is facts. You guys just value different things more I guess.
@DS:
To me it is. The fact is Manga has to fit a certain amount of information into 18 pages.
And the brain fills in with the rest. Like with that swinging the sword example.
That's one of the reasons why I'll always prefer a good book to a movie. But tastes can differ, I guess.
I barely watch anime any more, not like I used to anyway. It has a lot to do with time. Reading a manga takes less time than watching it in anime version.
@DS:
To me it is. The fact is Manga has to fit a certain amount of information into 18 pages. Anime has a little over 20 minutes to fit information. Not only that, but you also get sound in anime. The fact is, as I said in my post which you apparently ignored, when you compare a perfect anime adaptation, anime is superior. But, as I also said, it's nearly impossible to find a perfect anime adaptation, so you lose a lot in anime adaptation which is why I understand why people would choose to read the manga.
Plus, with anime, you get a certain clarity you miss almost entirely with manga. In manga, especially action and sports manga, everything is done one frame at a time. So because you're stuck at 18 or so pages, things like swinging a sword don't give you the full effect. Where in anime you watch the character swing the sword, hear the character scream, the swing goes around ,and clashes with the opponents sword with a loud clank, you might only get a frame of the guy about to swing his sword along with the frame of the sword hitting the opponent's sword. You lose so much in that one little scene. And it becomes especially problematic in action mangas like One Piece that are creative in its attacks. It can be quite difficult to figure out what the hell is going on in the fight. The fact is the anime is the only way to fully experience a fight. I don't know how you can compare one frame of Luffy looking pissed then the next frame of a bunch of arms flying around with text around it saying "Gatling gun" to Luffy looking pissed, see his face build with anger up as he stretches his arm into his attack and screaming at the top of his lungs "Gatling gun!!!!" with the furious emotion you can only get in anime and some kickass music to help the fight. I'm sorry, I just don't get how you can compare that. Plus, you can add little touches into anime that wouldn't fit into manga because of your 18 page limitation like the brief image of Ace as Luffy did the Red Hawk attack. Sure, I get that it's filler, but that little bit brought an emotion to the scene you just couldn't get in the manga. And, if Oda had the space, I think he would've done it too.
It has nothing to do with not wanting to be nerdy or not wanting to read or that I'm too lazy, it's that you get so much more out of 20 minute anime episode than an 18 page manga. From the better clarity and detail in what's going on in a scene, to the grander emotion from things you get like sound, to the simple fact you get even less content in the 18 pages because of text boxes, I don't get why you'd choose manga over anime in a perfect anime adaptation besides the fact the manga is the source material. Oh yeah, and I like the fact anime's colored. Sure, some mangas are colored or have some chapters colored, but how many are colored all the time? It's like comparing a black and white movie to a color one. Color brings so much more to the table.
This is just my opinion though, and I'm not gonna shit on those who enjoy manga more. But most of what I'm saying is facts. You guys just value different things more I guess.
Because perfect anime adaptions are virtually nonexistent? Having more time to show the same thing isn't always a plus. Manga are paced based on their page count. To take an 18 page manga chapter and turn it into a single episode almost always leads to awful pacing (See: One Piece anime). That's also why comparing the content in a single anime episode to a single manga chapter is misleading, because the content is either the same but stretched out and made less interesting, or they're pulling from multiple chapters anyways. Some images also work better in black and white, and some visuals work better in manga format (And some are impossible to recreate in anime format like that one Hunter x Hunter visual gag where the text bubbles are placed such as to imply Hisoka gaining an erection). Arguing that anime is better based on perfect adaptations is dumb, because many limitations of the medium such as vastly increased production costs and the need to not outpace a manga among other things lead to adaptions pretty much never being perfect.
Notice that art quality in anime's is almost always inferior in terms of detail, proportions, and the like. And animation can actually be bad if its poorly done or is done in a way. I've found tons of scenes in anime to have far less impact than their manga equivalent because they're shoddily animated as well as having vastly inferior art. Not to mention animations that are drawn out and thus lose the impact of the original. And that's not even getting into filler (Which doesn't just mean filler arcs)
I'm not eager to explain how and why mangas should always be preffered over anime adaptations but I acknowledge there are differences between human brains which effects our experience on mangas and animes.
But still it's something that is an ability that can be trained to give better results for readers.
Because perfect anime adaptions are virtually nonexistent? Having more time to show the same thing isn't always a plus. Manga are paced based on their page count. To take an 18 page manga chapter and turn it into a single episode almost always leads to awful pacing (See: One Piece anime). That's also why comparing the content in a single anime episode to a single manga chapter is misleading, because the content is either the same but stretched out and made less interesting, or they're pulling from multiple chapters anyways. Some images also work better in black and white, and some visuals work better in manga format (And some are impossible to recreate in anime format like that one Hunter x Hunter visual gag where the text bubbles are placed such as to imply Hisoka gaining an erection). Arguing that anime is better based on perfect adaptations is dumb, because many limitations of the medium such as vastly increased production costs and the need to not outpace a manga among other things lead to adaptions pretty much never being perfect.
Notice that art quality in anime's is almost always inferior in terms of detail, proportions, and the like. And animation can actually be bad if its poorly done or is done in a way. I've found tons of scenes in anime to have far less impact than their manga equivalent because they're shoddily animated as well as having vastly inferior art. Not to mention animations that are drawn out and thus lose the impact of the original. And that's not even getting into filler (Which doesn't just mean filler arcs)
That's why I feel the way One Piece is handling it is wrong. They should be doing, depending on the chapters, 2 to 3 chapters per episode and have a yearly filler arc. So if it's a 60 chapter arc, have a 35 or so main arc, have like a 10-15 chapter filler arc, and leave the rest of the year in breaks. So that way you can have a certain season like many animes do, but then fill the rest in with filler to keep the content flowing. That also allows the author to fill more content in which makes doing subsequent episodes a bit easier. If you can have G-8 like filler consistently, I'd have no problem with all that filler. One Piece has gotten to the point where it's stretching scenes to a problematic level rather than putting some of the next chapter in.
The great thing about anime is you can screw around with scenes. I've seen in numerous occasion where you'd have a scene, but then you'd have a freeze frame in black and white. I can't recall specific anime, but I've seen that kind of stuff happen, and it does bring a different emotion to the story. So, yes, you can mess around with things to give you a similar emotion to the manga. Obviously it's not authentic, but another advantage anime has is its very flexible. And I'm not talking about the obvious fact that since it's an adaptation, you can be flexible with the content, I'm talking about the fact you can do things like slow-mo and freeze frames and the like you can't get in manga. Yeah, I get what you're saying with the visual gag, but there are things like audio gags that you can't get in manga, so you get some and you lose some.
I think part of the problem with anime is almost all the time, animes are created midway through the series. If animes were created once the series were over and it were uncensored, I'd bet you get a much better experience. The fact people start creating animes midway through, you get into problems with pacing because you want to keep up with the content, but you don't want to get too far ahead. You'd argue to make filler, but it becomes expensive and you'd get a Bleach type issue where 1/3 of the anime becomes filler because the author doesn't release enough new content. And animes are expensive to make, so you'd have a money problem as well. You're talking as if it's impossible to make a perfect anime adaptation, but I disagree completely.
As I said, I think you value some things more than I do. For example, I don't value art nearly as high as others, so all of those comments about art being superior in manga and everything mean little to me. Again, I get the reasons why people like manga more, but I just disagree with them.
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And the brain fills in with the rest. Like with that swinging the sword example.
That's one of the reasons why I'll always prefer a good book to a movie. But tastes can differ, I guess.
I barely watch anime any more, not like I used to anyway. It has a lot to do with time. Reading a manga takes less time than watching it in anime version.
Then that just becomes imagination or detective work, which is a no-no to me. How would you like reading a book where a fraction of the story's missing and it expects you to figure out the rest? Obviously I can figure out what's going on in the manga, but you lose so much out of it by having to imagine it all yourself. I'm sorry, but I just can't accept that.
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Then that just becomes imagination or detective work, which is a no-no to me. How would you like reading a book where a fraction of the story's missing and it expects you to figure out the rest? Obviously I can figure out what's going on in the manga, but you lose so much out of it by having to imagine it all yourself. I'm sorry, but I just can't accept that.
There's no fraction of the story missing in any manga I've read. A character swings a sword, his enemy starts bleeding from a cut. No need to see the blade moving and cutting through the flesh.
I prefer my interpretation than an interpretation of some uncreative dude with small budget, which is almost a rule in anime industry now.
