Blackbeard belongs to the rookies/this generation because he started to matter, that´s all there is to it.
He is in no way a rookie. He's a veteran. He has decades of experience. He's from a previous generation. That his relevance happens to largely overlap the same time frame as the Supernova's, and thus often has him discussed along side them and vice versa, doesn't at all classify him as one of them. He's completely different.
@Dan:
He is in no way a rookie. He's a veteran. He has decades of experience. He's from a previous generation. That his relevance happens to largely overlap the same time frame as the Supernova's, and thus often has him discussed along side them and vice versa, doesn't at all classify him as one of them. He's completely different.
and who knows in the OP world that he is from the previous generation? marines don't know him (until he became shichi). people don't know him. only a handful of people (Shanks and who else?) knows him. Us knowing he is in WB's ship doesn't count of course, so yeah he's a Supernova in OP world's eyes.
@Dan:
He is in no way a rookie. He's a veteran. He has decades of experience. He's from a previous generation. That his relevance happens to largely overlap the same time frame as the Supernova's, and thus often has him discussed along side them and vice versa, doesn't at all classify him as one of them. He's completely different.
Literally nothing you just wrote disproved what i said^^
Literally nothing you just wrote disproved what i said^^
If he "belongs to the rookies/this generation", than he's a rookie from this generation. That's how i read it, and that's obviously not true.
@Dan:
If he "belongs to the rookies/this generation", than he's a rookie from this generation. That's how i read it, and that's obviously not true.
It´s not about when he became a pirate. Law was also a pirate under DD, something we learned in the last arc, but he is also considered a rookie because he started to matter, meaning people started to notice him.
It´s not about when he became a pirate. Law was also a pirate under DD, something we learned in the last arc, but he is also considered a rookie because he started to matter, meaning people started to notice him.
^ kaboom. Good one.
But eerrr, can we re-read that Brownbeard picture please? "They all jumped into the New World after Whitebeard passed away and ripped the place up. Whenever some big problem happens, the people at the center are always the pirates from this generation." He never said the word rookie as far as I can see.
@Dan:
If he "belongs to the rookies/this generation", than he's a rookie from this generation. That's how i read it, and that's obviously not true.
I think to be more specific… the "Worst Generation" refers to those pirates who took to the New World and raised hell as soon as Whitebeard died.
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^ kaboom. Good one.
But eerrr, can we re-read that Brownbeard picture please? "They all jumped into the New World after Whitebeard passed away and ripped the place up. Whenever some big problem happens, the people at the center are always the pirates from this generation." He never said the word rookie as far as I can see.
That´s what i meant but it implies it. The others were rookies, he is from the same generation, 1+1=2, and like i said, Law was also a pirate under DD before he became captain but he was also considered a rookie.
That´s what i meant but it implies it. The others were rookies, he is from the same generation, 1+1=2, and like i said, Law was also a pirate under DD before he became captain but he was also considered a rookie.
Vergo was one to, but no one knew about it. We dont know were law en doflamingo met. And what the reason was why law joined DDs crew.
Vergo was one to, but no one knew about it. We don
t know were law en doflamingo met. And what the reason was why law joined DDs crew.
And what makes you think people knew about Blackbeard?
And what makes you think people knew about Blackbeard?
sorry, did`nt know we were discussing blackbeard. I agree with you on the BB matter
Supernovas and blackbeard all entered the new world roughly at the same time. The way they differ from each other is that they did not appear at the same time at shabondy
Vergo was one to, but no one knew about it. We don
t know were law en doflamingo met. And what the reason was why law joined DDs crew.
I don't think Law has been to the world before, so i doubt he ever been to dressora before.
We know he followed the log pose from the north blue all the way to the archipelago. Maybe he was acquainted with DD from before, just like bellamy.
We know for a fact that DD was also a rookie at one point and was at Roger's funeral.
I feel that alot of the super novas have been around for a while, but only decided to conquer the grand line around the same time pre skip
I don't think Law has been to the world before, so i doubt he ever been to dressora before.
Just wanna point out that we know for sure that he's never been to the New World pre-timeskip, and he himself also literally stated that he has never been on Dressrosa before.
Just thought I'd say it because you said you 'doubt' it, not that you _knew_ it.
Is Luffy really count as part of the one generation? After all while the 9 remainining supernovas were building up their reputation in the NW Luffy have dissapear for 2 year. If Blackbeard was had because he started to be a pain at that time, shouldn't Luffy be remove for having dissapear?
Is Luffy really count as part of the one generation? After all while the 9 remainining supernovas were building up their reputation in the NW Luffy have dissapear for 2 year. If Blackbeard was had because he started to be a pain at that time, shouldn't Luffy be remove for having dissapear?
then should law be removed as well i think they count from the poinz when they reached sabaody
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then should law be removed as well i think they count from the poinz when they reached sabaody
We don't really know what Law did for the time and the supernovas are present as those rookie from two years ago who have been influencing the world in the past two years. From what we know Law fit the profile.
I think to be more specific… the "Worst Generation" refers to those pirates who took to the New World and raised hell as soon as Whitebeard died.
I think that has to be correct since Hawkins but not Apoo was mentioned by Brownbeard in the Worst Generation. However Apoo's bounty is higher than Hawkins, which would be weird if Brownbeard named everyone in the worst generation.
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aren't the rookies from the Worst Generation the ones who were at SA two years ago plus BlackBeard because he was the only other rookie (new to the captain title) who caused a ruckus two years ago but wasn't at SA at that time
I think that has to be correct since Hawkins but not Apoo was mentioned by Brownbeard in the Worst Generation. However Apoo's bounty is higher than Hawkins, which would be weird if Brownbeard named everyone in the worst generation.
Nah, all eleven of the Eleven Supernova are specifically stated as being part of the Worst Generation. It's just that Blackbeard, Hawkins, Law, Kidd, and Drake are probably the most prominent pirates from that generation at the moment, which makes sense considering that Law, Kidd, Drake, and Hawkins were listed along side Luffy by Shakky as dominating headlines before the time skip. Apoo is part of it as well!
And yeah, some of you guys are misinterpreting the whole worst generation thing. The worst generation is just that: a generation of pirates that rose to prominence at the same time. The specific time frame of when different individuals were active doesn't really matter. Luffy is considered part of the worst generation because he's part of the generation that made a name for themselves during the events of the story. Yes, he took a break, but he's still a member of that generation and he's still done some really outrageous things. The same with Law and Blackbeard.
I think 11 Supernova were called "the worst generation" because at that time, there're 11 pirate who have bounty above 100 millions and success arrive at SA, the starting point to challenge New World, unlike Ace's time or Caribou's.
Bonney seems to have a very mysterious background… just re-read the marineford arc, and here we see her cry for some reason… then the stuff Akainu said, she definitely seems to be more then what we know of her
Bonney seems to have a very mysterious background… just re-read the marineford arc, and here we see her cry for some reason… then the stuff Akainu said, she definitely seems to be more then what we know of her
Here my one liner theory about her crying
Bonny was captured by the WG, who were using her power to age people but she was being held in an island till Ace or Whitebeard appeared and rescue her, that's how she manage to escape the WG and set sail, this person is most likely Ace though
I feel like I write this out every month or two…
The Eleven Supernova are an out of universe term. It was originally the title of a chapter and the fandom latched onto it as a way to shorthand the incredible number of new characters that were dumped on our lap during that chapter. But no one inside the story call them Supernova. We can use it in discussion, but keep in mind that it's never uttered by any characters.
Super Rookie is the proper term for what they all were. A Super Rookie is any pirate who, on their first voyage, managed to reach 100m beri as their bounty (I believe, before they hit Saobody). It seems that the distinction will last even after they can be considered a rookie, which is to say, after a number of years has passed since their first voyage. In addition to the Eleven Supernova, we are also aware of the following Super Rookies of various years: Cavendish, Bartolomeo, Caribou and Coribou.
The Worst Generation is comprised of the Eleven Supernova, and Blackbeard. They are called the Worst Generation because of all the chaos they have caused in the last two years, as opposed to the relative peace that existed during Whitebeard's era. Luffy, because of how wrapped up he was in the events around Whitebeard's death, including the breakout of Impel Down (and thus ALL the prisoners who proceeded to cause trouble), invading Marinford, and then re-invading Marinford after the war ended with his bell-ringing (which a LOT of people saw as him declaring a new era of piracy), is counted towards the chaos of the Worst Generation, even though most of his exploits happened right before or at the same time as the "official start" of it.
If you were to ask Brown Beard to explain it, he'd likely say that, "The Worst Generation, are the eleven Super Rookies who met together on Saobody, and the pirate Blackbeard. After Whitebeard's death, these twelve pirates caused incredible chaos in the world, and are seen as the central figures of the new era." Luffy invading Marinford after the war with a crew of two, including a former Shichibukai and Dark King Rayleigh to hold a short memorial service for Ace and Whitebeard is VERY notable. Even if he disappeared for two years after that, Luffy "rang in" the new era of piracy.
Keep in mind also that bounty is not the same as notability. Killer had a higher bounty because the WG considered him a greater threat, but Luffy was involved in MANY more outrageous and notable events, even if the WG played some of them down in the papers. He just didn't crucify enemy crews and blow up cities that pissed him off.
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May you attract the attention of those above you.
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Either Bartolomeo or cavendish, I forget which, was described as a supernova in-universe (I think Bartolomeo by Gatz). So basically, no? :p
I don't remember exactly but it seems that what Beo says is true, though it wouldn't surprise me if Oda borrowed the Supernova definition since it has become a common reference.
In fact OnePiece wikia redirects Supernova to Super Rookie
So in short: Oda began to use them synonymously, then he introduced the Worst Generation, the original 11 Supernova + BB, to differentiate them with that term now.
Exactly. The name fits pretty damn well, these guys are long past super rookies that may inspire future pirates. At least 9 of the 11 have moved against/defeated/become a yonkou. They're majorley threatening the Gorosei's precious balance
I can't wait to hear more about their actions during the timeskip. Especially how Apoo got such an awesome bounty increase!
Either Bartolomeo or cavendish, I forget which, was described as a supernova in-universe (I think Bartolomeo by Gatz). So basically, no? :p
Well… using the wiki, it references ch 705 in regards to Bartolomeo's Supernova status. But I looked through it and I can't see the term mentioned anywhere.
Cavendish' page only uses the term to refer to... well, the traditional Supernova.
That said, I do vaguely recall seeing Supernova used recently, but I wasn't sure if it was a fan-translation or something. When I do a re-read of this arc, I'll keep an eye out.
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Every Rookie who gets a bounty over 100M before entering the NW is labeled a Supernova
Well… using the wiki, it references ch 705 in regards to Bartolomeo's Supernova status. But I looked through it and I can't see the term mentioned anywhere.
That's because it's what the Kanji says. The katakana, which tells you how it's read, says "Rookie". The Supernova kanji was also used for the Caribou brothers, but in their case the katakana read "Super Rookie".
Hmmm… Japanese is confusing.
Okay, so basically the letters used could be read to mean "super nova" but the way you're supposed to read it is "rookie" or "super rookie?"
Since I don't speak Japanese, can anyone tell me if the term super nova is used in the anime?
Hmmm… Japanese is confusing.
Okay, so basically the letters used could be read to mean "super nova" but the way you're supposed to read it is "rookie" or "super rookie?"
Since I don't speak Japanese, can anyone tell me if the term super nova is used in the anime?
Checked the First apperance of the Rookies episode…Shakki seems to only use "Super Rookies" in both text and sound...
If she uses Rookie then i bet the rest of the anime does too...although right now i'm thinking why i use Supernova instead of Rookie
it's sad that the supernovas weren't oda's idea. they always feel sloppy and don't really suit the situations they get thrown into. it's obvious that they weren't supposed to be in the manga.
but they make good filler.
it's sad that the supernovas weren't oda's idea. they always feel sloppy and don't really suit the situations they get thrown into. it's obvious that they weren't supposed to be in the manga.
but they make good filler.
I didn't post anything on your comment about Shishibukai but now I'm wondering, What the hell are you talking about?
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Well… I'm told the Supernova were introduced all at once because Oda's editor told him that Saobody was light in content. Oda (supposedly) threw them in earlier, but had, at least, an idea where they would have fit in the proper story. Probably, it was going to be Kidd and Law originally with one or two mentioned. The actions they engage in after WB's death were likely in the original manuscript/outline.
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~Two ancient Chinese curses.
Well… I'm told the Supernova were introduced all at once because Oda's editor told him that Saobody was light in content. Oda (supposedly) threw them in earlier, but had, at least, an idea where they would have fit in the proper story. Probably, it was going to be Kidd and Law originally with one or two mentioned. The actions they engage in after WB's death were likely in the original manuscript/outline.
Oda originally planned the supernova to appear as this new generation pirates already in New world but I guess Oda figured if he suddenly introduce Law who we never seen before appear in punk hazard like that asking Luffy for an alliance it won't make enough sense(this example of what I think Oda considered)
Is like Cavendish appearing and asking Luffy to ally with him he has a plan to take down a yonko, readers will have a WTF face.
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Oda originally planned the supernova to appear as this new generation pirates already in New world but I guess Oda figured if he suddenly introduce Law who we never seen before appear in punk hazard like that asking Luffy for an alliance it won't make enough sense(this example of what I think Oda considered)
Is like Cavendish appearing and asking Luffy to ally with him he has a plan to take down a yonko, readers will have a WTF face.
Pretty sure Law and maybe Kid were supposed to be introduced at Sabaody anyway, else Law appearing to save Luffy at the end of the Whitebeard War would be a complete Deus Ex Machina.
Do you guys have any SBS information coming from Oda himself about what you guys are saying?
Can't wait to see X Drake in the Kaidou Arc.
I believe it was SBS. I'll see if I can find it now.
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Google is not being kind to me. I found a few links to forums that say Oda created the characters more or less in an afternoon, but nothing like a direct quote. Maybe I heard it on the podcast?
Wait, here we go, from AP Forums itself. http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=29195&page=39
Context is an interview.
"Oonishi: I started from the chapter where Kid, Law, and other Supernova Rookies showed up. But they weren't originally planned.
Watanabe: What!? Really!?
Oonishi: It was already decided that the crew will be separated at SA, but we figured that may not be enough to spice things up.
That's when Mr Oda said "Would it be more interesting if bunch of new characters showed up?"
Then 3 hours after that, he not only finished the designs of all of them, but had the fixed name ("name" is manga term for rough draft of the chapter) with all of them already drawn in."
Goda. :D The time-skip "shortly" after even allowed him to redesign the characters.
I dont know if this was already posted here, but a picture from a SBS where Oda pictures the supernovas with genderswapped versions;
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Lately, and by lately I mean the past two or three minutes, I've been wondering: is Apoo the weakest Supernova, or at least the one with the greatest drawback for his power?
When he entered the New World, he ran from a group of wild boars and said he couldn't beat them. He was also panting after taking down just one of them. I have a hard time imagining a person of that caliber struggling against what appeared to be an ordinary group of wild animals, and I don't think any of the other Supernova would have trouble with them. From his fight with Kizaru, it also seems like he needs a lot of setup time before he can attack, which could be a major disadvantage.
Speaking of those boars, I'd like to see an explanation for Apoo's crew walking on air when they were running from them…that's just too strange to be left unexplained.
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Bounty wise Apoo has a similar bounty to Law(200 million),just 2 million less.After TS he has a 350 million bounty which is a bit higher than Hawkins' new bounty(30 million more than Hawkins).So he's probably just below Law,Kidd and Luffy but above the other Supernovaes.
Bounty wise Apoo has a similar bounty to Law(200 million),just 2 million less.After TS he has a 350 million bounty which is a bit higher than Hawkins' new bounty(30 million more than Hawkins).So he's probably just below Law,Kidd and Luffy but above the other Supernovaes.
Above Zoro…. I don't know
Apoo has a decent bounty and has been portrayed as powerful, and I know he'll be able to back up his reputation just as the others from his generation will and have been doing. It just threw me off to see him terrified of a group of wild boar. I don't remember any other time in One Piece where a biological non-human animal (meaning, Zoans and Vegapunk's dragons are excluded from this) posed a legitimate challenge to a notable character that actively fights.
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Bounty wise Apoo has a similar bounty to Law(200 million),just 2 million less.After TS he has a 350 million bounty which is a bit higher than Hawkins' new bounty(30 million more than Hawkins).So he's probably just below Law,Kidd and Luffy but above the other Supernovaes.
Drake is very likely to have a higher bounty @Shadowgreed:
Above Zoro…. I don't know
Zoro will be lucky to reach 250 Mil. That's just how things are with non-Captains.
Keep in mind that 2 years ago that Luffy's gear second (pistol I think), was getting shrugged off by an ordinary NW- ish animal with Rayleigh implying/ saying/( I forget which) many more animals on that island could probably compete with him as well( summarizing, not exact words). And keeping in mind this is Oda so the "most harmless looking animal/ person" could be just as dangerous as the "most dangerous looking animal", you just wouldn't see it coming with 1 of them, not necessarily that they're not capable of it.
Besides Apoo's personality seems similar to Luffy's in that while he may seem recklessly dangerous + like he should/ could have killed, he doesn't go out of his way to do that…
Meaning - it was easier / more fun/ interesting/ w. e. reason to Apoo to not just fight, and or kill a strong boar for no reason, (cause he didn't seem hungry, at that point :ninja:).
Didn't Apoo's power seem to be causing actual explosions when 1st meeting for the Alliance? And yes I know he didn't harm him, but Apoo was the only Supernova that even temporarily affected Kizaru in any way 2 years ago.
Think Apoo's powers could actually be 1 of the most versatile in usefulness/ power if Oda goes the route he seems to be going.
