Chapter 650 : Two changes you need to know.

[Fleet_Admiral_Akainu]

@blue-san:

*b) This one however…is really really major. And I will say it here that my wish is, for this to please not go in the direction of Heroes and Syler (he is the man in Heroes who takes away the powers of other heroes )
The problem with that would be, that 1) he would get way overpowered 2) it takes away from the uniqueness of the DF powers and makes it dull in general for me personally. Ok he can take away powers, but he can't have them for himself. That is my hope, otherwise this one I do not like at all for valid reasons and not preference.

Ok that is it. That way my take on the chapter. I hope someone at least reads it and I haven't wrote it for myself only

If he can't have them for himself, why he has the gura-gura power with him?LOL.
We still don't known how blackbeard's stealing process works…but the thing is:that's one thing that turns blackbeard even more unique as a character:he's the only one capable of such a feat.The other DF users have unique powers..and Teach is even more unique by being the only one capable of absorbing multiple DF powers-at least,until now.
Therefore,you may be sure that Blackbeard will have many DF powers with him when he face Luffy in the future. After all, he probably will be Luffy's final enemy in one piece... and the final enemy of a shounen is always overpowered.

[JonesDking]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAA!INFO OVERLOAD!
So Lets review the Info dump Oda gave us.
1.Uranus,Poisedon,Pluton are the 3 Aks.
2.Caribou knows about Poisedon.His threat level to the entire world just skyrocketed.The Shs have to stop him-pronto
3.Damn!A duel between Aokiji vs Akainu-I expected Akainu to win both for it to last ten days!I seriously underrated Aokiji.Akainu had a Df superiority,so the only way Aokiji could have lasted that long is if he had Physical/Haki superiorities.I also find it intresting that the fights between top tier fights seem t last for days-I mean look at Jimbei vs Ace,Luffy has long ways to go
Prediction-Aokiji is now a Bounty hunter
4. I am surpised you all missed this-But it was stated that the Govt seem to have implemented some plan that granted the marines Unprecedented power in order to make up for the loss of Aokiji.But what Plan could it be.
Begin speculation.My guess the Govt somehow granted every marine a Df power with Vegapunk tech.
5.BB being a yonkou isnt surprising.I am a bit confused on the trans though-did he do it with the help of the gura gura or without it.The fact he took over WBs turfs means he kicked the asses of the WB commanders-every single one of them.Im looking at you marco.What I finf intresting is that Hes out stealing other Df powers.Obviously they cant be for himself that would be retarded for him to have more than 3 Dfs.He must be stealing Dfs and giving them to his men.

People should stop underestimating BB now.Hes a freaking Badass.
6.Well its now been confirmed that Zoro and Sanji have CoO haki.Whether they have anothertype reamins to be seen.So dont start screming they have CoA.
7.Drugs from Tamamtebako.Intresting.
8.Lokks kike we are heading for a clash with Big Mam.I howver think in the end Big Mam and Luffy will resolve it peacefully though.Luffy wont defeat her probably fight with Undelings howver.

Once again I say WhoA!Awesome chap!

[Faruway]

But what about Wolf's situation if he ate a Devil Fruit? He is a Giant and all…

[blue-san]

Not really. The second thought about this one, is that it is mentioned that they KILL the fruit users and extract the fruits. so once some of them get a DF…

Also Lafite already has his DF

[TheCook]

I really liked the chapter in general.

Favorite Parts:

Aokiji and Akainu fight: I liked Aokiji it will be cool to see what he is doing now.
The trio sent after Caribou after sending him flying. LOL
Eldery Fishman pirates. Daruma looks exactly like a pug.

Dislike:
The Big Mam sweets thing. It wouldn't be so bad if the "sweets" were the ES pills, but it seems they are literally just sweets.
:sad:

[blue-san]

@Fleet_Admiral_Akainu:

If he can't have them for himself, why he has the gura-gura power with him?LOL.
We still don't known how blackbeard's stealing process works…but the thing is:that's one thing that turns blackbeard even more unique as a character:he's the only one capable of such a feat.The other DF users have unique powers..and Teach is even more unique by being the only one capable of absorbing multiple DF powers-at least,until now.
Therefore,you may be sure that Blackbeard will have many DF powers with him when he face Luffy in the future. After all, he probably will be Luffy's final enemy in one piece... and the final enemy of a shounen is always overpowered.

I was not talking about the inability of having more than one DF. I was talking about my desire for him not to be able to have more than two.

[AlnaJames]

@Roronoa:

But otherwise this means they are limited to 8-9 fruits to collect (if we count Stronger = 9, because BBs = 10 - BB - Laffite = 8 + Stronger = 9)
But then if BB can extract fruits from living people he can feed his crewmates with different fruits always searching for the most powerful ones.
If they find a strong fruit he feeds Burgess with it,
if they find an even stronger fruit he could extract Burgess 1st fruit and feed him with the stronger one. know what i mean?

We don't know if it's required to kill a user to get the ability out and probably it is.
I can't for the love of me see Shiliew eating a fruit. What I can see is him meddling for days how reckless it is to be a crew full of DF users and sail the seas

And it seems highly unlikely for me that none other of the crewmembers had fruits before, especially not the ID cast.

[liangying]

lol an admiral level fight took 10 days. If luffy is clearly yonku level, the fight between him and big mum is going to be insane.

[Sagippio]

@Al!naJames:

Franky said he suspects he's a logia. Caribou said something among the lines of "so what if I was?" He's a total douche so I wouldn't put it past him to claim to be a logia when he isn't. I'm pretty sure it's a paramecia with logia-like ability to nullify attacks due to it's properties.

I thought it was perfectly clear that a DF ability is logia if the user has flowing body? well, other than yami yami no mi that is…

[AlnaJames]

Luffy can't be youkou level yet, it would make no sense.

[Roronoa Zacho]

I'd also say that Caribou is a Logia type.
There were two "cases" in OP-history where the users could produce much of "their element" but couldn't change their form (Mr. 3 and Kalifa).
Caribou can change his form. But the "disconnecting"-argument also has a point.
When we saw Caribou he always was one mass, but if he get sliced the next weeks we'll have confirmation.

[.Nonsh.]

Love this chapter. From Luffy ignoring Jinbe to Nami's treasure hunt and the Fishman Pirates.
Best parts: Zoro and Pappug, and Zeo ("I got old on purpose").

[.access timeco.]

Tonjit \o/\o/\o/ I have to say he was the character I wanted to see the most in this cover-arc. Love this guy.

About the chapter itself, FINALLY a chapter I fully enjoyed! The first one in 2011. We finally know who are the new Fleet Admiral and the new Yonkou (although since this one is not an official group, I wonder if they can't become Gokou if a 5th person rises as high as the other 4). But we still don't know who are the new Shichibukai and now we also need to know who is the new Admiral.

Pluto, Poseidon and Uranus. Never thought Uranus had such power

[superquotpetquotrobot]

Do you ever think that Big Mom ate Gasupade? He turns into candy.

[DarthAsthma]

@Sagippio:

I thought it was perfectly clear that a DF ability is logia if the user has flowing body? well, other than yami yami no mi that is…

You might also want to add aokiji in that case because when he burst into ice splitters after getting hit instead of having his body become flowing snow.

[Bentham]

Unprecedented power for marines? I wonder what that is
If Blackbeard is obtaining all these devil fruits I wonder they've found a way to have more than 1 devil fruit per person via blackbeards power.
Also Aokiji for nakama:ninja:, dream is to protect what saul gave his life for (or he's with dragon)

[AlnaJames]

@Sagippio:

I thought it was perfectly clear that a DF ability is logia if the user has flowing body? well, other than yami yami no mi that is…

Logias turn into elements, as a whole.
Caribou's always shown to have all of his body parts - ears, head, arms, legs connected together. There's no way this isn't done on purpose.
He turns his body to what his fruit is, and it's a swamp - a pile of mud, so it would naturally flow.

[BingBang]

@Roronoa:

But messengers of BigMam doesn't mean sth like commanding officers or even first mate. They haven't to be that strong so the monster trio has to go all out.
Rockstar btw was a messenger of Shanks though he was sum kind of apprentice.
On the other hand Sir Bocom and Baron Tamago seem to be well known @ least by FI.

Well remember ROCKSTAR (from SHANKS CREW) was near 100.000.000m…...AND HE WAS NEW IN THE CREW!!

[blue-san]

@Roronoa:

I'd also say that Caribou is a Logia type.
There were two "cases" in OP-history where the users could produce much of "their element" but couldn't change their form (Mr. 3 and Kalifa).
Caribou can change his form. But the "disconnecting"-argument also has a point.
When we saw Caribou he always was one mass, but if he get sliced the next weeks we'll have confirmation.

We see him get sliced (stabbed ) and see him absorb a cannon ball
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Numa_Numa_no_Mi

[CommanderPepper]

Called it:

Caribou is so predictable.
Also I want to see the Akainu and the Ao Kiji fight.

[Fleet_Admiral_Akainu]

@Al!naJames:

Franky said he suspects he's a logia.
Caribou said something among the lines of "so what if I was?"
He's a total douche so I wouldn't put it past him to claim to be a logia when he isn't.
I'm pretty sure it's a paramecia with logia-like ability to nullify attacks due to it's properties.

Nah..there are no paramecias with logia intangibility and shapeshifting capacity like caribou has. Logia users cannot only produce their element in infinite amounts,but they also can turn themsleves into their element,shaping their own physical form at will…like Caribou does.

[fullscalenuclearwar]

WTF NEW FLEET ADMIRAL AKAINU!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

insert serious face

aokiji for last nakama. u heard it here first (?).

[.access timeco.]

Btw, this is the first time Uranus is mentioned, right? And if I recall corectly, it was said the Gura Gura no Mi could destroy the world. Could its user be Uranus (formerly WB, now BB)?

[Bentham]

@fullscalenuclearwar:

WTF NEW FLEET ADMIRAL AKAINU!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

insert serious face

aokiji for last nakama. u heard it here first (?).

Close but no cigar

[blue-san]

@Bentham:

Unprecedented power for marines? I wonder what that is
If Blackbeard is obtaining all these devil fruits I wonder they've found a way to have more than 1 devil fruit per person via blackbeards power.
Also Aokiji for nakama:ninja:, dream is to protect what saul gave his life for (or he's with dragon)

For now we are not sure. However my personal opinion is that in this chapter they were talking about this in an entirely different context. Not that they have some NEW SUPER POWERS or something like that. But that now they really do follow Absolute Justice thoroughly which means that they don't go by what is moral and the right thing to do and so on.
Which imo is also the reason why Aokiji decided to make a stand and do everything he can Akainu would not become the next fleet Admiral, imo he expected that to happen…

[AlnaJames]

@Fleet_Admiral_Akainu:

Nah..there are no paramecias with logia intangibility and shapeshifting capacity like caribou has.

Yeah, just like there's no logias with paramecia features and no zoans with logia's… Oh wait a minute.

[Roronoa Zacho]

@Al!naJames:

I can't for the love of me see Shiliew eating a fruit. What I can see is him meddling for days how reckless it is to be a crew full of DF users and sail the seas

And it seems highly unlikely for me that none other of the crewmembers had fruits before, especially not the ID cast.

I had same thing in mind bout the IDs. It just decreases the number from 9 to 4 (why is Shiliew called "Rain"? also a DF or cause it rains blood when he is around?)
The question is if BB can extract DFs from living people. If he can he could get always even stronger fruits for his crewmates, but we'll have to wait til this get answered. And if every BB has a DF, they'll sure need a load of floating tires (except SanJuanWolf, that guy can't sink. From what we saw of him in the NW I guess he stood in the water, he didn't even swam, that guy is so huuuuuuuugeee!!!).

[SaiyaJedi]

Facepalming at all the references to a "general" in the navy. But big changes afoot with Akainu as Fleet Admiral. With him in the top spot and Aokiji gone, who does that leave to be the new Admirals?

[dasia]

@Bentham:

Unprecedented power for marines? I wonder what that is

Devil fruits maybe?I hope not. In any case Vegapunk doing his thing.

[Kizuchan]

@.access:

Btw, this is the first time Uranus is mentioned, right? And if I recall corectly, it was said the Gura Gura no Mi could destroy the world. Could its user be Uranus (formerly WB, now BB)?

Uranos is the grandfather of Zeus and also called Father sky, so the weapon probably doesn't have anything to do with the earth.

[Nolus]

@JonesDking:

4. I am surpised you all missed this-But it was stated that the Govt seem to have implemented some plan that granted the marines Unprecedented power in order to make up for the loss of Aokiji.But what Plan could it be.
Begin speculation.My guess the Govt somehow granted every marine a Df power with Vegapunk tech.

I didn't miss it. I also found it very interesting, but I highly doubt it's DF related. Df powers are really cool and all, but it would take much time to train every marine to use his/her own fruit. Also, every marine should receive different kind of training and even then, it won't help that much. Not all DFs are super-awesomely-strong. For example the Berry-berry fruit is nice and all, but it's easy to find its weakness. Also, there are other fruits which are pretty damn neat, like the Rust fruit, but again, much depends on the person who's using it.
Logia fruits would be better, but there isn't an endless amount of them. Zoans are again can be either good or bad.
The Marines are mostly soldiers, who don't stand out from the crowd and can be used in different ways. There are others (Captains and above for example) who do stand out, they are the leaders etc. They are the stronger ones the Marine as a whole don't just need them, they need "little" soldiers too.

Wait, now I started talking about something completely different. I'm sorry.
All in all, I disagree, although I don't have any ideas regarding this subject.

Now, who wants to talk about the two new Admirals?

[Johnny B. Decent]

@.access:

Btw, this is the first time Uranus is mentioned, right? And if I recall corectly, it was said the Gura Gura no Mi could destroy the world. Could its user be Uranus (formerly WB, now BB)?

Well, I highly suspect Uranus to be very powerful, as unlike Poseidon and Hades/Pluto, Uranus was a Protogenoi, one of the original beings of Greco-Roman myth alongside Gaea, Pontus, Chronos (not the Titan), Erebus, Tartarus, Aether, Nyx & Eros, not a God.

Thing is, he was more associated with the Sky then the Earth, so I don't think it's that.

[Fleet_Admiral_Akainu]

@.access:

Btw, this is the first time Uranus is mentioned, right? And if I recall corectly, it was said the Gura Gura no Mi could destroy the world. Could its user be Uranus (formerly WB, now BB)?

Uranus was the Father of Skies in Greek Mithology…earthquakes are not related to the skies at all...so,no chance. The power of each ancient weapon is definitely related to their name. Also,no Enel speculations,please...the ancient weapons existed centuries ago...Maxim didn't.

[Thanos]

Anytime Black Beard get mentioned it is an automactic 10. I love the fact that he is running wild in the seas. 10/10

[AlnaJames]

@Nolus:

Now, who wants to talk about the two new Admirals?

It was never stated that it needs to always be three admirals. There can be x new admirals or none at all.

[Roronoa Zacho]

@S.C.:

Well, I highly suspect Uranus to be very powerful, as unlike Poseidon and Hades/Pluto, Uranus was a Protogenoi, one of the original beings of Greco-Roman myth alongside Gaea, Pontus, Chronos (not the Titan), Erebus, Tartarus, Aether, Nyx & Eros, not a God.

Thing is, he was more associated with the Sky then the Earth, so I don't think it's that.

Not only that but if we go by the legend Uranos was Gaias husband (sky and earth) and he always tried to penetrate Gaia with his gargantuan penis (Gaia and Uranos were titans in greek mythology - I played God of war series way too much!), and then Gaia birthed (or bore) like 12 titan-kids with Kronos among them. He became Zeus' father as well as Hades' and Poseidon's. He ate the latter two. Zeus took revenge on Kronos and freed his 2 eaten brothers.

[Bentham]

Sky eh? So it'd be the ability to control the weather? Sorta like what dragon has?

[Fleet_Admiral_Akainu]

@dasia:

Devil fruits maybe?I hope not. In any case Vegapunk doing his thing.

cough cough ..Uranus..cough cough

[Johnny B. Decent]

Though, one thing to note was Uranus' domain was the Sky, which most would associate it with Wind, first and formost, but as they were beings of incredible might, it could be he was assoicated with other kinds of storms like Thunder and Hailstorms.

His sons, the Cyclops also represented the nature of Lightning and the Hundred-Handers of Natural Disasters, so you never know.

@Roronoa:

Not only that but if we go by the legend Uranos was Gaias husband (sky and earth) and he always tried to penetrate Gaia with his gargantuan penis (Gaia and Uranos were titans in greek mythology - I played God of war series way too much!), and then Gaia birthed (or bore) like 12 titan-kids with Kronos among them. He became Zeus' father as well as Hades' and Poseidon's. He ate the latter two. Zeus took revenge on Kronos and freed his 2 eaten brothers.

True, except for them being Titans, as it was Uranus who called them that ("Over-achievers", like they overstepped their boundaries), after Kronos lopped off Mr. Happy.

[Vermouth]

Sir Bocom? I only recognize one character with the Sir before his name and it is Sir Crocodile!!!!

BTW, Bocom means something? Probably Big Mom minions are named after foods.

And Teach is hunting strong devil fruit users. My Hancock is in danger.

[tatermoog]

So, Blackbeard's DF Hunt really changes the meaning of this page, don't it?: http://www.mangareader.net/103-56333-18/one-piece/chapter-595.html

Also, if they're seeking the most powerful fruits, there's one way to eventually integrate Enel back into this. (And yes, I know he was on the moon at last check.)

[Fleet_Admiral_Akainu]

@Roronoa:

Not only that but if we go by the legend Uranos was Gaias husband (sky and earth) and he always tried to penetrate Gaia with his gargantuan penis (Gaia and Uranos were titans in greek mythology - I played God of war series way too much!), and then Gaia birthed (or bore) like 12 titan-kids with Kronos among them. He became Zeus' father as well as Hades' and Poseidon's. He ate the latter two. Zeus took revenge on Kronos and freed his 2 eaten brothers.

Wait…so the last ancient weapon..is a gargatuan...

[luffy_2010]

what is that supposed to mean??!!

in mangareader http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/650/5 it's written " within ten days the fight was the talk of the town around the world "

but in mangastream http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/64985431/6 it's written " this deathmatch went on for ten days, and became the talk of the world "

who is right can anyone tell me ??? !!!

!

[Kylor]

Decision making in the Marines: Forget voting or political discussion, that's for wimps. The only true way to solve conflicts is through fistfights.

[dark knight]

Chapter was epic
1. Aokiji is now one of my favorite charcters now he really impressed me the way he got serious about akainu being FA and fought him for that reason he is a true man ive got a lot of respect for him now. that was some major character development on his part.

2.Blackbeards crew stealing devil fruit powers there like sylar from heros not sure if i like that very much, i just hope there is a limit to it.
3.The strawhats now don,t look so overpowered the marines are going to be a force to be reckoned with as jimbei was about to explain im sure they have a lot more power in there ranks either from extra warlords, goverment agents or enhanced pacifistas.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-58422-4/one-piece/chapter-603.html As you can see sentomaru says that the paifistas strength was the same as back then and that they are prototypes implying that the pacifistas are now stronger.

4.Looks like the monster trio all have observant haki sanji hinted that he has armour haki great news as from this chapter it seems that there are going to be some real tough opponents in the new world.

5. Big mam sounds like a fat spoilt brat.
So many things to explore in the one piece world this is the reason its the best manga out.

[Fleet_Admiral_Akainu]

@Al!naJames:

Yeah, just like there's no logias with paramecia features and no zoans with logia's… Oh wait a minute.

But i'm talking about ALL the features at once,madam…no zoan has ALL logia features and no paramecia has ALL logia features. Caribou's DF has ALL the features of a logia...therefore...

[CommanderPepper]

I love how Jinbei is telling everyone is telling some ground breaking news and Luffy or Zoro do not give a shit.

[Jabra]

I wonder where Smoker stands now. I always had the impression that he follows moral justice, but his determination is similar to Akainus (minus craziness).

[Nolus]

@Al!naJames:

It was never stated that it needs to always be three admirals. There can be x new admirals or none at all.

I doubt there can be none. That would "erase" the rank Admiral, wouldn't it? Though I don't know how it works.

I know it wasn't stated anywhere, it just seems logical to me (I've already posted a theory about this). Of course I can be wrong, but until proven wrong by Oda, I'll assume there is/are (a) new Admiral(s).

[akagami7]

I don't blame big mam, luffy said those sweets put the meat to shame
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/64985431/10