Super Smash Bros

KaizokuJinbei

so, about that interview…

"He felt that it would be wrong to make a mere extension of Super Smash Bros. Melee (GameCube) and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. He did not feel that it would be right to just increase the volume, adding 50 characters or doubling the stages for instance. He also felt it would be wrong to just improve the visuals."

um... personally, an extension of Melee with 50 characters, more stages, and better graphics is exactly what I want.

also, when they talk about "there's no element of experience" I kinda face palm. When you start playing, you suck, then you learn and get better. That's actual experience, which is always better than artificially buffing your character as you progress to give you the notion of getting more skilled.

I can kinda see where Sakurai is coming from he doesn't want it to be the same old more characters and stages (as it has been for the past 3 SSB games) and he wants it to be different which I agree with to a point I think a change to some parts of the game would give an interesting twist for the game from it's usual stuff (while keeping the usual stuff in the game as well as the new stuff)

And with the second comment I do agree with you with every SSB there is a new control layout and graphics which calls for gaining skills with that new feel of fighting which will be the same for both the 3DS and Wii U SSB games which is an element of experience.

However I do believe he is referring to "experience" in a different way for example a "3D experience" (not actually that)

Tamike Kawazoe

Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 2 had Lars from Tekken 6.

KaizokuJinbei

@Tamike:

Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 2 had Lars from Tekken 6.

That's because Kishimoto was the one who drew him for Tekken 6 so Kishi added Lars into his own game

Tamike Kawazoe

Oh. Makes sense. Weird reason though.

Tokoro Ataru

The only new thing I want:

A support of "The King" from the infamous Phillips games where he appears randomly and makes the stage change like that "background change" glitch.

Big_Bad_Lith

@KaizokuJinbei:

I can kinda see where Sakurai is coming from he doesn't want it to be the same old more characters and stages (as it has been for the past 3 SSB games) and he wants it to be different which I agree with to a point I think a change to some parts of the game would give an interesting twist for the game from it's usual stuff (while keeping the usual stuff in the game as well as the new stuff)

And with the second comment I do agree with you with every SSB there is a new control layout and graphics which calls for gaining skills with that new feel of fighting which will be the same for both the 3DS and Wii U SSB games which is an element of experience.

However I do believe he is referring to "experience" in a different way for example a "3D experience" (not actually that)

he's referring to an experience system, where you level up your character. Iwata said that there was not ever anything like that in smash bros, which makes fucking sense because it's a multiplayer party game fighter, and if you let the guy who actually owns the game level up his favorite character alone, then he'll dominate his friends. So I don't understand why sakurai thinks this is a good idea.

I mean, if it's just for the single player mode, then I'm fine. I was fine with stickers. But imagine if your were able to use your stickers in versus mode. And the guy who owns the game only put stickers on mario. things would get shitty QUICK. I guess being able to compete online against other people's level'ed up characters would be neat, but there needs to be a local same-level option.

Aaronrules380

It'd be fine if it was only for the 3ds version though. since only one person would use one game most of the time

HEATXZ

Great to news about the new Smash Bros :D
Here's my wishlist

! All characters to return
Bring back Mewtwo
King K.Rool
King Hippo
Skull Kid
Deoxys
Ridley
Hector(Fire Emblem)
Duster(Mother 3)
Starfy
Isaac
Alex(Golden Sun)
Ray MK 2(Custom Robo)
Agent J
Agent Spin
Jill Drill Dozer
Saki(Sin and Punishment)
Black Knight(Fire Emblem)
Midna
Mokka(Magical Starsign)
Chai(Magical Starsign)
Eggplant Wizard
Fawful
Midbus(Mario and Luigi 3: Bowser's Inside Story)
Petey Piranha
Wart
Koopalings
Bowser Jr
Rawk Hawk
Sylux(Metroid Prime Hunters)
Pico(F-Zero)
Lanky Kong
Jimmy T(WarioWare)
Mr.EAD(F-Zero)
Mighty Gazelle(F-Zero)
Samurai Goroh
Mona(WarioWare)
Chef Kawasaki
Ashley(WarioWare)
Dr.Crygor(WarioWare)
Orbulon(WarioWare)
9 Volt(Wario)
Black Shadow(F-Zero)
Dribble and Spitz(WarioWare)
Funky Kong
Dread Kong
Karate Kong
Ninja Kong
Sumo Kong
Pokemon Trainers from other regions
Guest Stars: Geno,Megaman

RomanceDawn

If they want to do experience it should be something that doesn't physically affect the actual characters abilities. Like in some FPS's we level up by playing lots of matches, as we grow levels then we can get new gear and such, but it does not by default make characters run faster or bullets take more damage.

He also wants to customize? Well Wario should not be the only goon with a costume change. Allow us to level up and earn more classic costumes that can be mixed and matched. Racoon ears hat with a fire flower suit, or DK with his super strikers uniform, now that would be awesome!

Cyber-Robin

I agree. Although while we can name stuff from Mario, Zelda games etc how are they gonna do costume changes for the likes of Marth, Ice Climbers etc. (Assuming they would still be in.)

Unless they do something like the stickers. Be able to customise. For example Marth. You eventually get the choice to equip a slightly longer but slower sword. Or you can just keep the shorter yet quicker sword he had before. Link you could have the Boomerang at B button but once you level up you unlock the Fire Wand, Pegasus Boots or Hammer.

Aaronrules380

Seems like they don't plan to customize characters through an experience system as both Iwata and Sakurai agreed such a thing would ruin the game

black-leg jex

@Cyber-Robin:

I agree. Although while we can name stuff from Mario, Zelda games etc how are they gonna do costume changes for the likes of Marth, Ice Climbers etc. (Assuming they would still be in.)

Unless they do something like the stickers. Be able to customise. For example Marth. You eventually get the choice to equip a slightly longer but slower sword. Or you can just keep the shorter yet quicker sword he had before. Link you could have the Boomerang at B button but once you level up you unlock the Fire Wand, Pegasus Boots or Hammer.

I've thought about this at extent and i think if they did for characters who don't have an alternative outfit just give them double the amount of colour schemes. For example kirby could have 12 different colours rather than 6. Most characters i can think of an alternate anyway.

By the way if anyone cares my dream wish list would be:

! Everyone from brawl + mewtwo
bowser Jr. transforms into shadow mario
Baby bros (yoshi series can have a 2nd fighter)
Dixie Kong
Waluigi
Toon Zelda transforms into tetra
Adam Malkovich
Krystal
Lyn
Michaia
Meowth
Masked man
Isaac
Saki
Sami
Tom Nook
Samurai Goroh
Starfy
Little Mac
Ballon fighter or alice (they could be alternates of each other)
Mii (you can customize it's appearance but not moveset)
Sukopon
Mega man or bomberman
An original playable character
! For each of these i can think of an original moveset or a luigified moveset (where only one smash attack is the same) except for baby bros who i want so that all 10 of the original series now has more than 1 fighter

KaizokuJinbei

@Aaronrules380:

Seems like they don't plan to customize characters through an experience system as both Iwata and Sakurai agreed such a thing would ruin the game

Good glad they see it our way lol

black-leg jex

reading something about the multiplayer on kid icarus uprising made me think that we may get 6 player vs on the 3ds version because you no longer limited to 4 controllers. That would be pretty cool

KaizokuJinbei

@black-leg:

reading something about the multiplayer on kid icarus uprising made me think that we may get 6 player vs on the 3ds version because you no longer limited to 4 controllers. That would be pretty cool

so basically 6 player instead of 4 players. Well I'm not against it the more the merrier.

black-leg jex

yeah basically maybe even 8. It hasn't been confirmed but after reading it and the fact that it's being made by the same people it could be possible

KaizokuJinbei

here is another article about SSB4 where they asked him about the possibility of putting Capcom charatcers into SSB4

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174797p1.html

There will be a full conference with Sakurai next week hopefully more info will be obtained then

Big_Bad_Lith

What Sakurai hopes to do is have the 3DS version of Smash Bros. allow players to build up their character through battle and rewards, then take their custom character to the Wii U version to face off against everyone. He feels it could be nice if they can make the "personal" portable space and the stadium-like "public" console space mesh together.

It seems like they want to implement some sort of Perk system for the 3DS version. This could be completely cosmetic changes, buffs like the stickers from Brawl, actual different moves or tweaks on existing moves (like cyber-robin suggested) or maybe something else. Then you could take your customized character into battle on the Wii U if you wanted, and fight against other customized characters.

as long as there's the option to just use regular characters, I'm fine with this.

KaizokuJinbei

I updated initial post on first page with all known information

@Big_Bad_Lith:

It seems like they want to implement some sort of Perk system for the 3DS version. This could be completely cosmetic changes, buffs like the stickers from Brawl, actual different moves or tweaks on existing moves (like cyber-robin suggested) or maybe something else. Then you could take your customized character into battle on the Wii U if you wanted, and fight against other customized characters.

as long as there's the option to just use regular characters, I'm fine with this.

I agree

But when I think about the possibilities with customizing your character for example Ganondorf customized with more power and more speed and doing the same to Sonic or Metaknight (provided these characters are in the game and provided this is how the customization would work) the brokenness would be unthinkable.

Conekiller

I will not be satisfied until we get an option to play as Koopalings. Give them all one playstyle, but instead of "color swaps" make each individual Koopaling a skin on the same animated frame. That way you can have 8 characters, without having to make 8 new movesets and everyone is represented (I'm including Bowser Jr in this set since Nintendo has a hard on for him and I'm willing to make the compromise to have him if it gives us the 7 originals)
I'mma keep posting this until it happens.

Silence

Isn't it way too early to be talking about this game? It's only conceptual at this point: far far from release.

Or character decisions.

Insider2000

Here's hoping for Ranulf…

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WarshipArc

@KaizokuJinbei:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174797p1.html

Fucking LOL at Poison being a poll option!
We all know Nintendo's stance on transexual characters!

Insider2000

Nintendo KIND OF has a transsexual character.

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He just….looks like that. He doesn't even intend or want to be female.

Silence

@WarshipArc:

Fucking LOL at Poison being a poll option!
We all know Nintendo's stance on transexual characters!

We most certainly do.

According to the North American instruction manual of Super Mario Bros. 2:

"Birdo thinks he is a girl and likes to be called Birdetta. He likes to wear a bow on his head and shoot eggs from his mouth."

This statement applies to all translations of the title, including the Japanese version.

On the official Japanese site for Mario Kart: Double Dash!! the description for Catherine states "Catherine appears to be Yoshi's girlfriend… or does that mean boyfriend!?" (「ヨッシーの彼女に見えて実は彼氏!?」)

Hiroy

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Wow

Insider2000

Nightmare fuel.

Mother fucking nightmare fuel.

WarshipArc

@Insider2000:

Nintendo KIND OF has a transsexual character.

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Oh god Lucius, that was the first time I ever encountered that kind of ultra androgynous character.

Also I was mostly referring to Nintendo of America's stance on transexual's, since later releases of Mario 2 stated Birdo was actually a woman.
Also more recently they covered up Vivian's gender from Paper Mario 2.

InvaderP

@Insider2000:

Nightmare fuel.

Mother fucking nightmare fuel.

@Hiroy:

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Wow

You mean you didn't know?

RPGJay

I thought Birdo's gender was old news. Guess I just know more about games than I should.

black-leg jex

speaking of birdo i want to see captain rainbow featured in this game somehow. I never played it, it wasn't released outside of japan but i've always been extremely interested in it :D

Insider2000

I knew about Birdo. Birdo just scares the shit out of me. Horrid abomination.

Vivian….I vaguely remember mention of him being a male.

Alek172

Oh man. It's been around 4 years since I was chanting "Ridley for Brawl" with the rest of the Ridley fanatics on the Smash forums. Eventually they had to ban Ridley threads. I'm proud. It's what Ridley would have wanted.

We're going to have to pull out some major campaigns… Time to get started again~

KaizokuJinbei

@Alek172:

Oh man. It's been around 4 years since I was chanting "Ridley for Brawl" with the rest of the Ridley fanatics on the Smash forums. Eventually they had to ban Ridley threads. I'm proud. It's what Ridley would have wanted.

We're going to have to pull out some major campaigns… Time to get started again~

Ah yes I remember those days. But seeing as he was made a boss character Ridley probably won't be playable the only other Metroid characters capable of being a playable character is Dark Samus or one of the hunters from the DS game

Bobjr

The problem with Metroid is there really are no more playable characters to add. Dark Samus's series of games are over, and would have been in Brawl. And did anyone care about the hunters in the DS version?

KaizokuJinbei

@Bobjr:

The problem with Metroid is there really are no more playable characters to add. Dark Samus's series of games are over, and would have been in Brawl. And did anyone care about the hunters in the DS version?

Yeah I know I named the only possible ones which is likely not to happen because of the reasons you listed there. And no no one care for the hunters

RPGJay

@Insider2000:

I knew about Birdo. Birdo just scares the shit out of me. Horrid abomination.

Vivian….I vaguely remember mention of him being a male.

Vivian is male in the Japanese version of Paper Mario: TYD.

He got a sex change before he went to the states.

maxterdexter

Here's to "Let's use the Engine to create a version of Shonen Jump Battle and keep the console region free"

Hiroy

@InvaderP:

[qimg]http://www.apforums.net/[QUOTE=Insider2000;2267283]Nightmare fuel. Mother fucking nightmare fuel.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Hiroy;2267249]… ... Wow[/QUOTE][/qimg][qimg]http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3520/tknow.png[/qimg]

You mean you didn't know?

Yeah. It's not often I look up or know much background of creatures within Mushroom Kingdom.

Alek172

@KaizokuJinbei:

Ah yes I remember those days. But seeing as he was made a boss character Ridley probably won't be playable the only other Metroid characters capable of being a playable character is Dark Samus or one of the hunters from the DS game

A character's role in a previous Smash game doesn't necessarily dictate their role in the next. Charizard used to be an item after all. Mewtwo was once a character, but now only a trophy. The only problem with Ridley being a boss is that Sakurai looked at him and thought "Boss." Whether he couldn't think of a good moveset for him, or didn't know how much in demand he was - Enel only knows. One thing's for sure, there isn't a character who deserves to be in Sm4sh more than Ridley.

I'm going to get started with our campaigns by handing these out~ (good to stick in avatars or sigs!)

GuetaMinute

@Alek172:

A character's role in a previous Smash game doesn't necessarily dictate their role in the next. Charizard used to be an item after all. Mewtwo was once a character, but now only a trophy. The only problem with Ridley being a boss is that Sakurai looked at him and thought "Boss." Whether he couldn't think of a good moveset for him, or didn't know how much in demand he was - Enel only knows. One thing's for sure, there isn't a character who deserves to be in Sm4sh more than Ridley.

Oh my God .

RomanceDawn

Seriously everyone needs to chant Ridley every second they get. When you fill out your club Nintendo survey for all games make sure you mention you want Ridley playable in Smash Bros 4 in the last section.

Alek172

I think we're going to be friends, RomanceDawn.

Ridley fo' life.

Reyairia

Ridley for fucking sm4sh yeaaaa

Ridley is far more likely than Dark Samus srsly. DS is more suited to be a boss along with Kraid. Ridley has always been the most important, recurring and iconic villain in Metroid. There is no way DS would make it over Ridley unless Sakurai got freaking lazy or ran out of time and made her (it?) into a Wolflike semi-clone.

The only way I've been able to predict additions to smash (with the exceptions of games without recurring characters such as FE or Pokemon) is that it starts out with

protagonist (Captain Falcon)
protagonist + ally (Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong)
protagonist + ally + villain (Fox, Falco and Wolf)
protagonist + ally + villain + ally (Legend of Zelda, Mario)

So if Metroid does get a third addition, it's most likely going to be a villain.

Stryks

Megaman, nough said

Also Metroid deserves 4 reps, it's mind boggling that Star Fox has 1 more character than Metroid in brawl.

Ridley and Dark Samus/Sylux plz

Bobjr

@Stryks:

Megaman, nough said

Also Metroid deserves 4 reps, it's mind boggling that Star Fox has 1 more character than Metroid in brawl.

Ridley and Dark Samus/Sylux plz

Metriod is about one woman though, instead of Star Fox which is about an entire group of people, with Fox as the main character. It isn't that mind boggling. Ridley is the only one that has a shot, and as a playable character it's still a big stretch. I like the Metroid games more than Star Fox games too. Granted I would've liked the Star Fox reps to have more variety, but 3 Star Fox reps compared to 1 Metroid one is what it really should be.

Reyairia

Sylux needs to be more important before he gets included in Smash.
The reason why Metroid might not get another candidate is because Metroid is not very popular in Japan, and let's face it, Japan always gets first say with Nintendo.

Cyber-Robin

I'd have thought the Metroids themselves were more iconic than Ridley? But yeah I kinda think he shohuld be in. Although would he not be a bit too big?

To be honest I'm really finding it hard to think of many new chars. Although a lot of the ones I would like to see are assist trophies. If we got a dozen of them playable (Isaac, Little Mac, Lyn) I'd be happy.

Mr. Resetti would be cool tho. Maybe he could now 'reset' the screen for 3 seconds or something.

Reyairia

I wouldn't call metroids villains, they're monsters that hinder your path.

Calling a character too big is kind of a dumb argument. Anybody remember how huge Bowser was in Galaxy? Or Ganondorf in Twilight Princess? Characters get rescaled all the time.

Stryks

Star Fox is even less popular than Metroid in japan.
But Metroid is one of the big 3 of Nintendo and has really grown in popularity in the last few years, it deserves to have more reps and not 2 with one of them being a transformation, Ridley and Dark Samus are the way to go.