The Muppets
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Carroll Spinney has announced his retirement coinciding with the 50th anniversary of Sesame Street: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/arts/television/sesame-street-big-bird.html
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50 years as Big Bird is a pretty good life run for anyone, I think.
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Check it out. Jim Henson's Holiday Special is getting a limited release:
https://movieweb.com/jim-henson-emmet-otters-jug-band-christmas-fraggle-rock-december/?fbclid=IwAR2nji3axRbztd95f2bDZ0PH4GkE2s1fMECxGq8R8yrJTYdTXB3Kb6gxLRAI've never gotten to see it, so as an opportunity and as a chance to support the studio, I just may have to go.
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That was delightful! So glad Muppest are still around.
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Incidentally, that's obviously the new voice for Kermit, and I totally couldn't tell. He's fine.
I'm sure you put the audio clips side by side and it's glaring, and he doesn't sound like Jim Henson's Kermit, but he sounds like Kermit.
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I remember Muppet Babies being one of my favorite shows when I was really little. It doesn't look like they're ever going to put those out on DVD though. It's too bad, I love collecting nostalgic toons from my childhood. I was so jazzed when they finally put out the old Beetlejuice cartoon on DVD recently, so who knows, maybe they'll do it for them too. It would be nice knowing my kids could see the same stuff I enjoyed back then.
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The main problem for Muppet Babies on DVD is that there's a ton of rights issues with the show thanks to the door gags. People couldn't say no to Jim but they aren't so easy going with everybody else.
Of course, Disney is slowly buying all of those properties so who knows?
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Considering even the Muppet Show proper still only has 3 of its 5 seasons released, after l4 years since the first dvd set came out… their desire to get Muppet Babies out there is clearly not going to be that strong with all the rights issues in the way.
Especially since there's a shiny and new and CGI not 80's version they can push.
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Do those season sets even admit to being edited? I think there are unaltered foreign sets but I don't think the US has ever seen the complete original episodes on DVD.
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I hadn't even realized they were edited. What was cut out?
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MUPPETS ARE BACK, BABY!!!
https://deadline.com/2019/08/muppets-now-short-form-series-disney-plus-1202703195/Now maybe I will have to get Disney+.
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So the whole thing will be adlib? I have a hard time believing that.
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Please don't ever let the Muppets die. :wub:
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So the whole thing will be adlib? I have a hard time believing that.
Back in the day a lot of the Henson stuff was adlib when it was just bits between characters. Swedish Chef especially. Obviously that doesn't apply to any of the elaborate song and dance numbers or anything with a lot of characters, but… if its set up like an Improv show where they're jsut given a theme and told to run with it for five minutes, I can see that. Whose Line Is It Anyway with Muppets.
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MUPPETS ARE BACK, BABY!!!
https://deadline.com/2019/08/muppets-now-short-form-series-disney-plus-1202703195/Now maybe I will have to get Disney+.
Don't think you'll be needing it.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Don't think you'll be needing it.
once again, corporate interference has robbed us of something that would have been great.
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Well, that sucks, but looking at the description maybe its for the best.
Muppets Live Another Day was to pick up right where 1984’s The Muppets Take Manhattan left off and focus on Kermit as he must bring the Muppets back together (after being disbanded) to help locate the missing Rowlf.
Like geez, is that the ONLY story they know how to do with this franchise now? Everyone broke up, now lets get the band back together?? They JUST did that. As a movie. Seven years ago.
Guys, the muppets can be more than doing that one plotline or parody recreation of classic novels. Come ooooon. You don't have to go back to the "they're just putting on a variety show" thing every time. That's not what the muppets are, thats just what they parodied at the time because that was a popular thing that lots of celebs did… its mostly just that the Muppets are the only one that became generational so its the only variety show people know now.
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It was going to be Muppets by way of Stranger Things and feel like a movie spread over 6-8 episodes. Part of the joy for us, by placing the Muppets in the middle of the 1980’s, was to subvert and comment on our current love for all things nostalgia while at the same time allowing the characters to tell a story that would ultimately lead to and end in present day, revealing some secrets along the way.”
No no no no no. Stranger Things is a fine show. It is not a format Muppets should be aping. That they even think the right buzz word to go to is a horror franchise shows they had the wrong mindset. (And I know they weren't saying "Muppets as horror." but "bash you over the head with 80's references")
Don't stick them in the past. Keep going, parody the present, get current stars involved. Don't be stuck in nostalgia just because they're an old franchise.
Like, the previous show they did had the perfect premise of having Piggy host a late night talk show, which was PERFECT, and then they mucked it up by trying to make it into a serious relationship drama also using the long since dated gimmick of The Office. Ugh, no. Just do a straight up late night talk show, the same way the original did a straight up variety show, and have some behind the scenes. That would have worked great..
So yeah. Its a shame we're not getting more muppets but… this sounds like it was going to be a bad idea and maybe the execs were right to stop it now... rather than just inevitably cancelling it after a single underperforming season.
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The scripted show that this messy swamp was attempting is a no go, but they said that the unscripted short-form show with celebrities (that I mentioned) is still planned.
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Anyone know if by any chance Disney+ will have Muppet Babies on their catalogue? That was one of my favorite shows when I was a wee one.
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Anyone know if by any chance Disney+ will have Muppet Babies on their catalogue? That was one of my favorite shows when I was a wee one.
Muppet Babies will never see the light of day again because its so loaded down with copyrighted material. Everyone was happy to say yes to Jim Henson, not so much the legacy in syndication and dvd. Plus there's a new CG Muppet Babies now, they're never going to showcase the old one when they have that to push instead..
You can find it online though if you want to watch it again.
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At this point, Star Trek is pretty much the only property in Muppet Babies that Disney doesn't own or that isn't public domain. Of course, it's also in the hands of one of the few corporations that Disney can't buy either.
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How long will that last?
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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How long will that last?
They already own one of the big basic tv channels, monopoly laws and general logistics prevent them from owning another of the main 4.
They could probably buy Star Trek by itself if they really wanted, but they couldn't buy CBS.
Similarly, they can't buy DC comics.
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Muppet Babies will never see the light of day again because its so loaded down with copyrighted material. Everyone was happy to say yes to Jim Henson, not so much the legacy in syndication and dvd. Plus there's a new CG Muppet Babies now, they're never going to showcase the old one when they have that to push instead..
You can find it online though if you want to watch it again.
https://www.thewatchcartoononline.tv/anime/muppet-babiesNah, I'm in it for the collecting. I like to own that in a physical medium or it's not the same. Then I can share it with my kids after that other stuff becomes obsolete or inaccessible.
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Well you're gonna have to go bootleg then.
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Similarly, they can't buy DC comics.
Monopoly aside, AT&T is also quite a bit larger than Disney so there's no way for Disney to make a hostile takeover of the company.
Far as Star Trek goes, even combined, CBS and Viacom are smaller than Disney but the problem there for Disney is that stock is overwhelmingly in the hands of two people and I can't see the Redstones okaying the selling off one of their highest profile properties.
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Anything to keep Star Wars and Star Trek from crossing over into the same universe. Although, that could be fun if blended into a Pigs in Space sketch.
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Cg Muppet Babies to introduce Baby Swedish Chef
https://d23.com/an-exclusive-first-look-at-baby-swedish-chef-on-disney-juniors-muppet-babies/
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His hands look completely wrong for his arms. Good, this is as it should be.
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I think Peter Linz is excellent as Robin and Statler in this Facebook Portal commercial. (Still don't care much for Matt Vogel's Kermit, but it's better than his Robin.)
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Ive watched a handful of the Muppets shorts on Disney+. Theyre really cute with very young kids interacting with them. Some of the skits are gild while others are just alright. Some of these kids were clearly very uncomfortable about how to behave in front of the puppet.
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If you to to the Muppets page on Facebook they posted a lovely little video of Kermit quietly singing The Rainbow Connection, just him and his banjo. As a way to support us. God fucking love it.
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You wanna make me cry? That's how you make me cry!
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It's very nice nice but its going to take time to get used to Kermit #3.
I'm sure Matt Vogel will be fine in the years to come, but Steve Whitmire was Kermit basically my entire life. And even Frank Welker sounds more like what I think of as Kermit given his stint on Muppet Babies.
(Of course no one is ever going to touch Jim Henson but that's a given.)
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Yay, they posted it!
I think Matt Vogel did a very nice job.
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Muppet Babies will never see the light of day again because its so loaded down with copyrighted material. Everyone was happy to say yes to Jim Henson, not so much the legacy in syndication and dvd. Plus there's a new CG Muppet Babies now, they're never going to showcase the old one when they have that to push instead..
You can find it online though if you want to watch it again.
https://www.thewatchcartoononline.tv/anime/muppet-babiesis the copyrighted stuff the reason why no one has seen Muppet show season 4-5 ever appear? I saw they got to season 3 on the DVD and haven't seen any of the episodes on DIsney+
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No, that's just because dvd sales were poor on the first three sets (lack of advertising) and Disney had a hard line threshold on stuff when they were rolling out box sets. Most of the Disney Afternoon only had 2 out of 3 boxes for the longest time. Some may still be incomplete, I'm not sure.
There ARE soem skits and bits even in live action Muppets that might take clearing, song licenses especially, and that may be more cost and effort than they feel its worth… though not as bad as Muppet Babies which will need Disney to own the world even more than they already do.
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I still say The Muppets should host the Oscars and/or the Golden Globes and/or The Emmys.
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They should but Muppet sets are a pain to setup and do, especially live.
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I know its a old video but i love the 60-70s vibe to it with the new voices
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is the copyrighted stuff the reason why no one has seen Muppet show season 4-5 ever appear? I saw they got to season 3 on the DVD and haven't seen any of the episodes on DIsney+
The biggest thing holding back a release of the complete Muppet Show (besides not great sales of the past sets) is that Disney just doesn't aim to appease collectors. That was true then, and it's certainly more true now. Their brand is for families and families are not going to shill out money for that.
Plus, according to Tad Stones, Disney also tended to put out TV series on DVD when they had a slow release month, and needed some filler. That's not a problem they've had for a long time.
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The box sets were edited in the United States for just that reason; among other things, the Jim Nabors and Vincent Price episodes lost their songs.
The weirdest edits on that set were the removal of some skits in the Joel Gray episode. Music is one thing, but cutting out a Muppet Newsflash is another.
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The weirdest edits on that set were the removal of some skits in the Joel Gray episode. Music is one thing, but cutting out a Muppet Newsflash is another.
The New York one being cut was probably an overreaction to 9/11 since that DVD set came out a few years later. From its description, the other Newsflash was probably cut because they considered it too morbid but it might have just been cut simply because they took out the other one.
Possible it had a setup for or some other reference to the cut song though since most of the edits in other episodes were usually because of that.
Speaking of cut songs:
I'll never get tired of that one.
Complicating things since 2009.
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The New York one being cut was probably an overreaction to 9/11 since that DVD set came out a few years later. From its description, the other Newsflash was probably cut because they considered it too morbid but it might have just been cut simply because they took out the other one.
Possible it had a setup for or some other reference to the cut song though since most of the edits in other episodes were usually because of that.
Given the transcript, that isn't the problem. This no clue what exactly was in the Statler and Waldorf scene after the "Razzle Dazzle" song that caused its removal.
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Yeah, from the transcript, I'm guessing it was probably too morbid of a joke for their liking.
