That last panel was crystallized Oda. Great stuff.
Chapter 626: "The Three Neptune Brothers" Discussion
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I believe it was a strong person killing Otohime. Someone able to bypass her haki…
maybe Van Auger? hehe.
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@Lilly:
Where exactly did this whole "Shirahoshi as new crew member" thing come from? I don't remember where it was stated but I definitely recall something about, every crew member has a dream that they're pursuing. The one time in the past where a crewmember's dream came true (Vivi saved her country) she left the crew. It doesn't matter what kind of huge powers or abilities someone has, it's whether they have a dream to follow. Sure, she might have one that we don't know about, but until then there's no more justification for her than anyone else.
Also, totally agreeing that that shadow is supposed to be Shanks.
The dream really is no obstacle. Oda can easily have Shirahoshi inherit Otohime's dream, after such an emotional flashback it shouldn't surprise anyone.
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I don't know if Oda trolling us or not. But for the argument Shirahoshi not joining because she too big to fit in the ship, there a magic box that make you grow old/young. So she could fit in the ship by using that box..
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@Sonic:
I believe it was a strong person killing Otohime. Someone able to bypass her haki…
maybe Van Auger? hehe.
Well he might have just shot her from Sabaody's shore :ninja:
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I say Doflamingo is behind the assassination. Keeps his underground slave trading business in check.
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I don't know if Oda trolling us or not. But for the argument Shirahoshi not joining because she too big to fit in the ship, there a magic box that make you grow old/young. So she could fit in the ship by using that box..
She was bigger than Jinbei or Teach even as a 1 year old.
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I don't know if Oda trolling us or not. But for the argument Shirahoshi not joining because she too big to fit in the ship, there a magic box that make you grow old/young. So she could fit in the ship by using that box..
Age does not work that way.
When she was a baby, she was already a giant. Making her younger isn't going to help. -
I don't know if Oda trolling us or not. But for the argument Shirahoshi not joining because she too big to fit in the ship, there a magic box that make you grow old/young. So she could fit in the ship by using that box..
The box makes one grow older and that's it, for now atleast. Secondly, it only solves the age problem (i.e Shirahoshi not having legs because she's too young), not the size.
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The magic box with the powers of aging struck as particularly odd, since we already have a character (Jewelry Bonney) with apparently similar powers.
UNLESS JEWELRY BONNEY IS REALLY KOALA AND SHE STOLE THE BOX AND SHE'S GOING TO JOIN THE CREW AFTER HELPING SAVE FISHMAN ISLAND
…or not.
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Silhouetted person on page 12 …. Could it be Shanks? Looks kinda similar and because it is a silhouette you can not tell which way they are facing.
Why Shanks would get involved? no clue.
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The magic box with the powers of aging struck as particularly odd, since we already have a character (Jewelry Bonney) with apparently similar powers.
UNLESS JEWELRY BONNEY IS REALLY KOALA AND SHE STOLE THE BOX AND SHE'S GOING TO JOIN THE CREW AFTER HELPING SAVE FISHMAN ISLAND
…or not.
Whitebeard may have been given the DF and then gave it to someone who is really old?
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So who thinks we got our first hints of a nice Celestial Dragon? Could be a trick but there has to be some group of estranged non inbred abusive Celestial Dragons.
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Does one of the fishmen in this crowd look familiar? XD
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Fukaboshi's face = epicness.
Caime and Pappug is there too, awesome chapter :)
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Concerning the CoO thing. . .Otohime states on page 18 that she was "careless", adding that she was "so happy" because everyone gave their signatures.
This "special" state she was on, plus the convulsion caused by the burning of the signatures could've perfectly altered her CoO perception. -
An assasination of a high rangking political figure!!! Conspiracy mode ON!!!
Possibility:
1. Hodi is the one who order the hit (most obviously) but the sniper is not yet known. Probably a member of the fishman pirates.
2. Tenryubito hired guns.. a fshman traitor,, maybe its Alladin. We still dont have enough info on him yet.
3. Decken…the lolicon perv doesnt seem the type to plan this.Anyway... I guess we will know next week.
Oh and I really really really 10x hope that Shirahoshi Does NOT join the SH. But I'm betting she will have a part in the destruction of FI.
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Concerning the CoO thing. . .Otohime states on page 18 that she was "careless", adding that she was "so happy" because everyone gave their signatures.
This "special" state she was on, plus the convulsion caused by the burning of the signatures could've perfectly altered her CoO perception.Pretty much - I think it has been shown a few times that in an emotional state CoO or Mantra doesn't work.
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Quick, someone check the Grassy Knoll.
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That was a sad chapter. I'm thinking it was most likely one of the former slaves that set fire to the patition box. Then in the confusion shot Otohime. Probly some remenant of being a slave made him do it.
As for that Casket with the age thing. It has to be a devil fruit. And the only one we know with an age devil fruit thingy is Bonnie. Unless the thing in the casket is not age related but SIZE related.
another translation glitch? Damn Jinbei no where in this chapter but I did spot little Camie and her starfish. -
It was stated in Skypeia arc that if you're panic, you lose control of mantra…
So, whoever assassinate Otohime knows this and make her panic by burning the signiture.... Otohime also said that she was careless which probably mean she lose control of her CoO for a moment...Anyway, loved this chapter!! The Princes try to cheer Shirahoshi are great!! I was actually laughing at that panel even though it was touching!
The assassin might be working for Hodi... So, maybe it was Hyouzo... He never showed up in this flashback... -
Caime, papugg, and NAMI??? is that a Berry glitter in her eyes. And the Shadow… It's 90% shanks.
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happily surprised by the early release…
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But I'm betting she will have a part in the destruction of FI.
Vote for Jinbei…the next Crew for SH.What I was thinking. One of her brothers puts his life on the line for her dies as a result she loses it et hop sea kings
unleashed on the island. Good heavens I want to see such panels so bad.
It's 90% shanks.
I know right totally his silouhette but nah probably just how otohime envisions adventurers.
I'm now interested in this Urashima's Casket thing and i'm sure it's gonna help add to the idea of shirahoshi joining because if she use's it her tail will split and then she can walk on land.
Interesting.
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So who thinks we got our first hints of a nice Celestial Dragon? Could be a trick but there has to be some group of estranged non inbred abusive Celestial Dragons.
I've been thinking this as well. Sabo was a nice noble in a place where they act like celestial dragons so there is always a chance.
-loved seeing young keimi and especially liked seeing luffy's drawing in the crowd. It's another duval epidemic XD
-I'm now interested in this Urashima's Casket thing and i'm sure it's gonna help add to the idea of shirahoshi joining because if she use's it her tail will split and then she can walk on land. I personally am pro Shirahoshi joining because she fits my ideal for the next nakama (although i envisioned a fishwomen rather than a mermaid) All we need now for her is a fighting style (summoning sea king's doesn't count. it would be useless on land) and her size issue.
-Vander Decken made me laugh in this chapter. He's a good villain because he doesn't act like a super-evil bastard like many other past villains (eneru, crocodile, akainu, rob Lucci) He has more of a Buggy Complex by being evil but also seems to add to comic relief.
-The fact that Oda didn't shoot Otohime means there's either another villain in this arc that we've yet to see or something happened while Otohime was with the world nobles. The situation does stink of World government thoughDamn Jinbei no where in this chapter.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/88732753/16 centre panel
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Damn Jinbei no where in this chapter but I did spot little Camie and her starfish.
Look harder ;)
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So who thinks we got our first hints of a nice Celestial Dragon? Could be a trick but there has to be some group of estranged non inbred abusive Celestial Dragons.
I'm sure there are some good nobles. Very few probably, thanks to their culture. But Oda does shades of grey well.
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Great chapter, loved when the princes had to act silly to stop Shirahoshi from crying. Hope the assassin is younger CP9 or something. Only flaw is that a human would stand out, so maybe some hired fishmen goons, but I still hope its some sort younger CP9 or older generation like CP8 or whatever would be more interesting.
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Look harder ;)
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/88732753/16thanks now I see him plain as day.
the 'Shadow' looms further. It could be anyone. Maybe even that big shark woman Shirley.
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Otohime being careless reminds me of how Vista was being careless while striking Akainu.
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I hate it too. I really do hate it. It's so cliche.
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So that's why the other brothers look so damn stupid…that's really fucking sad.
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hah, i didn't notice Camie, Pappug and "Nami mermaid" until i read the thread
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wow…so thats the reason for the personalities of the two younger brothers...mad respect for those two. dunno about anyone else, but that scene made me tear
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thanks now I see him plain as day.
the 'Shadow' looms further. It could be anyone. Maybe even that big shark woman Shirley.
The Shadow has thin legs - also seems to have a Shanks like pose.
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@Dan:
Like i said before, this flashback is similar in format to Franky's. Reread chapter 354. That chapter is hardly about Franky himself either. But it is his story, and an important part of his development. Much like this is Jinbe's story as well, and there's no reason it couldn't potentially be a large part of his development too.
What are you talking about ?
Franky's almost on every page of chapter 354.
Frank is clearly the emotional focus of every single chapter he's in during his flashback. It's not even comparable with the so-called Jimbe's flashback.
I mean one panel ? lol . Come on.This flashback is about Fishman island and its relations vis à vis humans. It's Skypiea part two.
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Don't like the casket shit… Dunno why... even if we have DFs and such a stuff... A magical boy which makes you older suddenly? Well dunno don't like it.... But maybe it will something different
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The Shadow has thin legs - also seems to have a Shanks like pose.
I meant 'Shadow' as in the shadow that looms over Fishman island possibly controling events in the background.
But yes that shadow of the one who will help the princess does indeed look like Shanks. -
I think the Shadow is meant to be generic. Like the Original shichibukai shadows.
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What I don't get? How many signatures do the island need? OK they were burned… But ten years have passed and still nothing happened... maybe it will be told next chapter.
Only thing I can see... That after this someone will blame a human for it and the hate will spread again
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I wonder where's Shirley when this happen…. She should be able to predict this kind of bad events, not that anyone can do anything about it..
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Don't like the casket shit… Dunno why... even if we have DFs and such a stuff... A magical boy which makes you older suddenly? Well dunno don't like it.... But maybe it will something different
you mean box right. a magical boy would just be silly :P and i'm sure it's probably a devil fruit inside the box or it's just a rumour.
The more i look at that shadow the more it looks like shanks. Considering you can only see one of the arms and it's the arm he still has and he's wearing the long cape that shanks wears it's almost definatley shanks or oda just drew someone who he thinks would look legendary and it's not shanks at all.I think the flashback will end next chapter. What i want to know is how does Jinbei know all this or can we assume he didn't tell them about otohime and the princes and that's just oda telling the readers
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Going to read. Who will find Pandaman first!?
Edit: Couldn't find Pandaman but I've found Camie and Pappag here => http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/88732753/9
Yeah, and in the same panel we have the drawing Luffy made of Nami as a mermaid!
Awesum!!!
Also Ryuuboshi 4 Nakama!
His dream: "I wanna ride on the back of a sea king once!"
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Don't like the casket shit… Dunno why... even if we have DFs and such a stuff... A magical boy which makes you older suddenly? Well dunno don't like it.... But maybe it will something different
we don't even know if such casket really exist..it's "said" that it's in the ryuugu palace…but it can actually be only an "escamotage" from Oda because he needs something to make VDD plan possible (you can't marry a 6/8 years old and go away with that)
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sniff I knew it would happen, but I can't help but cry. T^T Such great storytelling from Oda.
Yeah, I wonder about the casket, too. I think Oda brought it up because of that folktale. I mean, it also has an underwater palace. That, and VDD and his pals were trying to marry a 6 year old kid, so they wanted to think of something to solve the solution then and there. :/
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Yeah, and in the same panel we have the drawing Luffy made of Nami as a mermaid!
No wonder that fish seems familiar. than again its been a long time. I think its before Arlong Park arc
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Quick, someone check the Grassy Knoll.
But.. There's no grass underwater.. It had to come from the library! The 2th Shooter!
The Candidates:
- Madam Shirley, where is she in all this? Who made the Prophecy? Isn't she suposed to be an important part of the culture of the island? Or she's just a poor prophet who isn't known in the island
- Hodi, where is he!?
- The "shadow of fishman island" the theorical big bad who's defeat means something against discrimination that's been puling the strings
- An accident? Random Shot? Unlikely, but the only way to get through CoO, besides going faster than the target
- Decken himself? Too obvious, too drastic for his style, If he used his powers, then we would have seen him touching the queen
- The Nobles? That depends on how willing are they to go against each other, or if the one who gave the signature to Otohime was a regular class asshole
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The Candidates:
Done forget the former slaves. But my money is on Madam Shirley. She's a shark. Sharks are bad news. -
It's obviously the three brothers who assassinated her.
They are up to something….
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IDK. That piece of paper from the world noble to Otohime seems to me like the promise from Arlong to Nami, bout letting go of Cocoyashi.
"IF u can collect 100mio I'll let go of Cocoyashi… IF!"
"IF there are signatures, I'll support them... IF!"
There should be a non-asshole world noble? Good joke!
So we have VDD, Hodie or a henchman who is workin 4 the world noble as the suspects.
@Cymelion
I also saw Shanks in that shadow when Otohime talked to the princes bout that sea king legend and that Shirahoshi could tell her feelings to them.
I mean no left arm. A cape-lookin dress and the silhouette of the hair style looks similar to Shanks'.
Or future Luffy?