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The people at DC have been watching the Saw movies way too much.
A lot of the DC titles seem focused on attracting an audience with its graphic violence, which is one thing that turns me off from their titles. I want a focus on story and characters, not gore for the hell of it.
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I'm not exactly sure how Marvel is much different.
And Black Adam is a special case; he's especially brutal compared to most everyone else. It's not like every page had limbs falling off and blood spraying everywhere.
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But the DC titles have featured a great level of violence much more frequently as of late. The panels posted here have featured some over the top violence. It's like they're trying to appeal to the gore-whores (you can them slaughter fans, I call them gore-whores), with the exception of Black Adam ripping young Frankenstein's arms for not glorifying its violence. Marvel doesn't.
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Superboy Prime comes to mind and the whole end of Infinite Crisis
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@Pass:
But the DC titles have featured a great level of violence much more frequently as of late. The panels posted here have featured some over the top violence./quote]
..and, like I said, they're like one or two panels from a 20 or so page book (so a small sampling). And the pnaels feature Black Adam, pretty much the most brutal character in the DC world at the moment. That's like complaining that DC has too many talking monkeys after reading a book featuring Detective Chimp.
Marvel doesn't feature over-the-top violence? The Punisher. Wolverine. New Thunderbolts. Hell, even some parts of Civil War had some crazy shit.
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Not to mention Sentry ripping Carnage in two.
Oh and also: Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine. Logan getting torn in half and getting his legs thrown 4 miles upward. THAT is brutal.
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Black Adam aside, out of all the titles from DC I follow…....there isn't that much gore and violence. Not tame by any means, but not too much either. Nothing I don't see in other companies as well.
The only DC books I can think of that have excessive violence on almost every page are probably Villains United and Secret Six, but that team (Secret Six) in general is a more mature read anyway.
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@Cap'n:
..and, like I said, they're like one or two panels from a 20 or so page book (so a small sampling).
And I wasn't talking about a single comic book.
Remember when we saw Jake's body with its missing leg?
And the pnaels feature Black Adam, pretty much the most brutal character in the DC world at the moment. That's like complaining that DC has too many talking monkeys after reading a book featuring Detective Chimp.
How did you come up with that comparison? Monkeys….. violence....?
It's really sad that Black Adam has become nothing more than eye candy for the gore-whores.
Marvel doesn't feature over-the-top violence? The Punisher. Wolverine. New Thunderbolts. Hell, even some parts of Civil War had some crazy shit.
It's not what happens, but how it is displayed. Goliath gets lightning shot right through his body. Little hole in his back, falls down, go boom. If DC did that, they'd probably have his entire back from the back of his neck and head fly off with red flesh flying in every direction.
I imagine if DC did a scene where a man pricked his finer on a rose thorn, it would rip his finger off with more blood spewing out than any human contains in their entire body.
Not to mention Sentry ripping Carnage in two.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Sentrycarnage.jpg
http://wizarduniverse.com/images/000507/52_WEEK3_black_adam_killing.jpgCompare the two and tell me which is more violent.
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I have to say I do agree with Pass the Rootbeer as far as the comparison between the two scene's goes. The Black Adam scene is much more gorey and that is the part that catches the eye in that pic. Although I can't say that all DC comics are like that cause I really don't read DC, but most of the marvel comics I read don't really have that over the top blood and guts kind of violence.
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The difference in this debate being that I have actually read these books, whereas Rootbeer obviously hasn't.
How did you come up with that comparison? Monkeys….. violence....?
Obviously went way over your head so I won't bother.
It's really sad that Black Adam has become nothing more than eye candy for the gore-whores.
How can you say something like that when you obviously know little about his character in the first place?
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Most of the DC comics I read don't have that much gore. Although I've only been following Batman stuff recently, but I don't imagine that much has changed in the few months I've been gone from other books.
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@Cap'n:
I think one of the goals of 52 was to make Black Adam into possibly the greatest character ever.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/CaptainGroucho/terraDED.jpg
This is pretty much the greatest moment in the history of the medium
That shit was beyond epic.
It's enjoyable to see men who "lack chivalry." Hahahaha.
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@Cap'n:
The difference in this debate being that I have actually read these books, whereas Rootbeer obviously hasn't.
Well duh! Like I've said before, I don't read DC too often. My sources come from websites, Wizard, and the owner of the local comic shop.
Obviously went way over your head so I won't bother.
I'm sorry, but comparring a lot of monkeys to a lot of violence are very different.
How can you say something like that when you obviously know little about his character in the first place?
I've read my fair share of Shazam comics. I liked him when he was anti-hero trying to clean his name despite violent methods. Recently, it seems DC has dropped the idea of trying to clean his name in favor of making him more violent.
It seems DC writers are thinking, "Hmm, how can we have Adam kill this guy? Well, he wants this person dead for revenge, so he's going to go full out. He could suffocate him for a quick death; that would quench his taste for revenge….... Nah, lets have him rip the guy's heart out, take a bite out of it, and shove it through his victim's head. 'Cause when Adam wants someone dead, he wants to do it all fancy and bloody."
That shit was beyond epic.
It's enjoyable to see men who "lack chivalry." Hahahaha.
I'm rooting for Superman to come back now.
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Well honestly, there's a pretty decent reason why he became so damn violent (at least in 52) but I don't feel like spoiling it.
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@Pass:
I'm sorry, but comparring a lot of monkeys to a lot of violence are very different.
No, you just don't get it.
Man I'm the last person who should be defending DC, but WWIII made Black Adam awesome. I don't even like the supposed "genius" of the Batman comics and quite honestly find them as boring as 7am Finance. The fact of the matter is you did not read the comics.
Go read WWIII, and you will understand why DC is not just using "gore to sell." Black Adam is pissed and he is striking to kill, this would be a concept you could understand had you just read 4 measly little issues.
I HAVE NOT EVEN TOUCHED 52, I onlyread the 4 issues of WWIII and I still got what DC was trying to do with BA, just read those 4, in fact don't read the one with Wonder Woman on the cover, read the other 3. 3 Issues, it's quite simple. -
No, you just don't get it.
Man I'm the last person who should be defending DC, but WWIII made Black Adam awesome. I don't even like the supposed "genius" of the Batman comics and quite honestly find them as boring as 7am Finance. The fact of the matter is you did not read the comics.
Go read WWIII, and you will understand why DC is not just using "gore to sell." Black Adam is pissed and he is striking to kill, this would be a concept you could understand had you just read 4 measly little issues.
I HAVE NOT EVEN TOUCHED 52, I onlyread the 4 issues of WWIII and I still got what DC was trying to do with BA, just read those 4, in fact don't read the one with Wonder Woman on the cover, read the other 3. 3 Issues, it's quite simple.….............. You scare.
Alright, I'll read the flippin' comics. But if they bore me, I will torch all your civil war varriants.
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I don't even like the supposed "genius" of the Batman comics and quite honestly find them as boring as 7am Finance.
I didn't even know people ever said Batman's comics were "genius" or anything. I just find them entertaining because Batman has been my favorite superhero since I was a kid. I mean (currently anyway, it could change later) it doesn't seem like Morrison is even trying to do any of his weird stuff. He's just telling action stories.
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I wish I still had the scan of Isis's dying words, that'd sum up perfectly why Black Adam's so pissed off.
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It wasn't just "oh he's pissed and he wants revenge" The story as a whole, starting exactly a year ago tommorow, is what makes it more than just mindless gore. It's actually kind of sad to see him become so violent because throughout 52 (and even before this) you see a progression in his character, only to have it lead to him being lower than he was when he started. The last we see of him is particularly sad because you see how he deals when he doesn't have the option of killing people as an outlet.
So while yes, in the case of Black Adam, we might be seeing alot of gore. It's not all senseless violence. There's a long complex story that has built up to this display of violence in him.
And as said before, outside of Black Adam, and probably the Secret Six, most of the DC titles aren't full of gorey violence.
ArticUNO ZapDOS MolTRES!!!!!!!!
Holy crap, I never noticed that!
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Iron Man got pretty rough last issue, with the serious "Director of SHIELD" appraoch. That was definitely a brain, and those were definitely nipples.
Hey, new issue tommorow.
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There's a long complex story that has built up to this display of violence in him.
This is very true. This is something that has, what, 49 weeks of story leading into it? 49 very non-bloody weeks (with the exception of his 'demonstration' back when things first began).
And honestly I preferred the issue of 52 where it all came down to all of the WWIII issues.
The question of how bloody DC has or has not become isn't one I can address. I read very little DC (mostly 52 and a little Batman on the side) and I don't see pervasive blood and violence in what I do read. I just don't read a lot.
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this the scene you were talking about Carter?
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So I read the torrents for the series.
He's angry, he's pissed, he wants revenge, he wants people dead. I can understand those things. I knew that from the start, and didn't have a problem with it. In fact, I thought it made perfect sense.
Look at the scene where he kills Terra. He wants someone dead, poof, she's dead. Could there be a quicker death? I believe the sooner his victim dies, the more satisfying it would be for him. And what's quicker than a punch through the gut or blowing someone up?
He's become a mass murderer now. He should want these people dead asap. But instead, DC has made him want to brutualize his opponents and give them excruciating pain before they dead. I just think that it would make more sense if he went for the quick kill.
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Whoa. Dibny's wife, and she…..... wow. I actually liked that scene. -
Go some bad news about the Fatastic 4- Rise of Silver Surfer movie-
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so they screw up Doom in the 1st movie and Galactus in the second.
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^Yeah that's what I told my friend :/
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Whoa. Dibny's wife, and she…..... wow. I actually liked that scene.
Oh please don't bring that up the Dibnys are my fave characters and whats happened to them these past few years is terrible.
Heck I loved them so much I did a series of youtube vids on Ralphs story in 52
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so Week 52 is out (on the net) and…..
! the Multiverse is back…
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It's uh, also out in stores.
Along with a few books I picked up today: Loners, Omega Flight, Iron Man, and White Tiger. No, I'm not gay. Also CW: Spidey and Cap, and the Hulk junk.
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And there we go, the reason I won't follow most DC books in the forseeable future
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Man did I love issue two of Loners. I love Ricochet and I am sooo fucking glad to see him back in the marvel universe. I also liked that they touched on Hornet's death awhile back.
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I'm amazed how they can take something as lame as Alpha Flight and totally revamp it into something awesome.
I'm excited about Michael Pointer, I was curius about what they'd do with him.
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Ric was always a character I liked, even before he was a character. Glad they're tapping his potential. The second Loners kind of improved on the problem with the first issue (why care about these losers?), and it's too soon to say it won't happen again, but man, drop those lame kids in the suits. OM, meanwhile, showed John Walker is still relevant as a character.
But man. Spider-Man, all three Spider-Women, Black Widow….why does every team have some sucker that slings webs?
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@Cap'n:
And there we go, the reason I won't follow most DC books in the forseeable future
If you're talking about the multiverse, I wouldn't fret.
It would seem that the only people aware of it's existence are Booster Gold, Rip Hunter, and Supernova.
Hopefully, DC will take the smart route and keep ALL the time-travel, universe-travel, and etc. within the upcoming Booster Gold series and keep it OUT of the rest of the DCU.
The multiverse provides tons of potential for story telling, so long as DC keeps it in check. If they keep it disconnected from the rest of the DCU (except Booster and his series), then things should be fine.
That being said, 52's conclusion was quite satisfying and if you haven't been following the series then pick up the trades because the story has been really good. And for once, this event really DID have a major impact on the DCU.
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Eh, as soon as i saw they made another event with the word "CRISIS" in it I figured they'd so something dumb. But hopefully you'll be right about them limiting it to the Booster Gold series.
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Barry Allen is rolling in his grave. (one of the few comic characters to stay dead)
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Civil War < Infinite Crisis < 52
But then again I'm a sucker for good endings. Sorry, Civil War, you started good, rocked early middle, but then fell so far at the end :(
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! God bless dc for actually giving the Dibnys an happy ending which could have them in a new miniseries
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Civil War < Infinite Crisis < 52
But then again I'm a sucker for good endings. Sorry, Civil War, you started good, rocked early middle, but then fell so far at the end :(
I think it started good, dragged middle, and redeemed itself at the end. The series, anyway. The more crucial crossovers were actually really solid (Spidey, Cap, New Avengers), and I'm actually still interested in CW trades (Iron Man, mayyyybe Wolverine) and WWH, while all the multiverse babble makes my head spin and does the opposite, keeping me away instead of making a jump-on point from a new status quo. But that's just me. 90% of everybody hated CW. I guess it makes you smart and comic refined.
Well, near the subject of WWH though, the two issues (Hulk 106 and Prologue) really are must haves if you are even gonna give it a chance.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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I think it started good, dragged middle, and redeemed itself at the end. The series, anyway. The more crucial crossovers were actually really solid (Spidey, Cap, New Avengers), and I'm actually still interested in CW trades (Iron Man, mayyyybe Wolverine) and WWH, while all the multiverse babble makes my head spin and does the opposite, keeping me away instead of making a jump-on point from a new status quo. But that's just me. 90% of everybody hated CW. I guess it makes you smart and comic refined.
Pretty much how I feel. I think it could have done without comics 5 and 6, or by taking the Spider-Man stuff out of five, putting it in an Amazing then merge them into one comic.
However I feel post Civil War/"The Initiative" is the most interesting aspect of the crossover. I like the three Avengers series, I feel the Spidey comics are at their best since the "New Avengers" arc (which I loved) and the four "Marvel Knights Spider-Man" stories. And I think killing Cap after the crossover was a the best choice.
But that's just me.
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I read Punisher War Journal v.2 #4, even though it's two months late. The story is mostly about a bunch of super villains holding a memorial for stilt-man, who died in the first issue. It's odd since I never thought the super villains of the Marvel Universe were so tightly knit together. They reminisce about the ol' dayss (the 60's marrvel), where there are no consiquences for their actions, no death, no real danger. The Punisher doesn't show up until the end to blow everyone up. It's pretty dull. I was looking forward to seeing what Punisher was going to do with Cap's mask.
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It was apparently the same Stilt-Man that gave up. Early in Daredevil he discussed the petty super villain/crook underground. Very interesting follow-up, the War Journal HC is at the top of my buylist.
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heh the comic at the end of the WWH Prolouge was awesome
"Can't we get this guy a pen and pad of paper?"
for those that can't read the comic
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oh and SuperStar the weakness was the elbow grab of the Black Panther duh
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Yeah, normally I find those little comics to be kind of dumb, but that one made me crack up.
I'm pretty excited about WWH.
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Taleran you're officially my new best friend.
That was hilarious
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oh and SuperStar the weakness was the elbow grab of the Black Panther duh
Grab an elbow huh?Anything new concerning Thanos (After getting his heart ripped out).
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At the end of Annihilation I think he was seen standing with Lady Death.
So he pretty much got what he wanted in the end.
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Are you telling me that was the end of Thanos?
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"During a climatic battle with Annihilus, the hero Nova is near death and sees Thanos - now standing with Mistress Death as her apparent consort - observing him."Yeah.. for now. Thanos has this thing about always coming back.
