I would like to see Arlong being at least being on par with Jinbe…even Yosaku and Johny said that...The thing about Arlong is that he only rely on his natural born talent as a shark fishmen... That and he stays in East Blue for too long without doing any major damage...That must have dulled his fighting techniques...I think he would have no problem being on par with Jinbe if he stays in Grand Line...
Chapter 607: "10,000 Meters Under the Sea" Discussion
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I would like to see Arlong being at least being on par with Jinbe…even Yosaku and Johny said that...The thing about Arlong is that he only rely on his natural born talent as a shark fishmen... That and he stays in East Blue for too long without doing any major damage...That must have dulled his fighting techniques...I think he would have no problem being on par with Jinbe if he stays in Grand Line...
Fuck off. It was a mistranslation. end of.
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^ which part are you talking?
Daaammnnn!
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^ well, since that what been given to us previoously (through english translation tho)
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Through a terrible translation. But even so, he's clearly weaker an it's hard to imagine that someone would believe he isn't.
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He CAN be stronger.
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@MarcelloF: mind to post a link with "not terrible" translation?
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@MarcelloF: mind to post a link with "not terrible" translation?
Stephen's script:
An area ruled by a fishman who once stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Jinbeh, one of the Seven Armed Seas,
known as "ARLONG"!!!
His personal strength surpasses that of Don Krieg!!!http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/op-v08c069.txt
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I haven't read Stephen's translation for that chapter, so the minor mistake…
But as I said if Arlong didn't back down from Grand Line, he probably is as strong as Jinbe...What he did in East Blue was just sitting around and mess up some town, then bribe a Marine Officer....There's no challenge in that...Until Luffy comes in though... -
Frankly, I do not know this Stephen guy..my bad..so, how did you say his traslation is legitimate?
even if we read his translation, there is "shoulder-to-shoulder" thingy which may implicate that Arlong and Jinbei on equal ground. Unless my english so terrible..
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shoulder-to-shoulder doesn't mean equally strong…they just stand in equal ground as Fisher's crewmate...
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^well, still hard to accept that..
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shoulder-to-shoulder doesn't mean equally strong…they just stand in equal ground as Fisher's crewmate...
and generally, in a pirate crew, equal = strength wise. marco + a rando guy in WB's crew wouldn't be said to be on equal grounds. certainly i would assume one to be stronger than the other, but only by a small fraction. i 'm not expecting them to fight each other and the battle comes out 100% tied.
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Just common sense.. Luffy beat him way way back, he was one of the first real villains. Now Luffy is immensely more powerful after his 2 year haki training with Rayleigh. At this point Arlong must be fodder to Luffy.
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Buggy used to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Shanks.
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Arlong had spent 10 years in East Blue - fighting defensless villagers - hidden from Marines. Any ship that came close was sunk.
10 years of being Lazy is enough to make someone a lot weaker.
That said Jinbei is an expert at Fishmen Karate - I don't believe Arlong is he just relied on brute strength and his powerful teeth.
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objection! if luffy can be stronger, why not Arlong (that is he free)?
Daaammnnn!
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objection! if luffy can be stronger, why not Arlong (that is he free)?
And when they reach the New World, the newest arc will have as the major villain.. Don Krieg! Yeah.
In story telling defeated enemies don't come back to be main antagonist once again. When they come back, it's usually to help the protagonist (happens a lot in OP and DB).
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I don't want to see Arlong again..let alone for him to become new nakama or even sichibukai..
what if jinbei actually betray SH? he became a villain sound well enough..
Daaammnnn!
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hell yeah..jinbei actually fell down to Flying Dutchman curse..he had to do Van der Decken bidding..
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Arlong had spent 10 years in East Blue - fighting defensless villagers - hidden from Marines. Any ship that came close was sunk.
10 years of being Lazy is enough to make someone a lot weaker.
That said Jinbei is an expert at Fishmen Karate - I don't believe Arlong is he just relied on brute strength and his powerful teeth.
doesn't matter. Luffy depends on his brute strength and stretching. He wasn't in charge of kurobi for nothing. Obviously you can compete with fishman karate with brute strenght. Also it doesn't fit arlong to do those one hit kill moves, he's more of the rip you to shreds type like a shark should be.
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Bringing Arlong back as any sort of physical threat would be terrible story telling. Oda just put the entire crew through a two year time-skip in order to make them stronger and show that they've become monsters. The impact of the time-skip would be severely minimized through fighting Arlong. He's a guy that they were able to beat before they even entered the grandline and yet after all they've been through they still can barely handle him? No. Oda would not pull something that bad.
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Who's stupid enough to said that?
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Just common sense.. Luffy beat him way way back, he was one of the first real villains. Now Luffy is immensely more powerful after his 2 year haki training with Rayleigh. At this point Arlong must be fodder to Luffy.
Why can't villains progress? :sad:
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And when they reach the New World, the newest arc will have as the major villain.. Don Krieg! Yeah.
In story telling defeated enemies don't come back to be main antagonist once again. When they come back, it's usually to help the protagonist (happens a lot in OP and DB).
Actually, Oda did originally want Don Krieg to come back as a Cyborg, but scrapped the idea. There's a design for Cyborg Krieg in Databook Green.
And a villain doesn't always return as help for the protagonist; I can think of several examples where the villain has returned to try again, only to fail or be beaten permanently the second time around. Hell, there are villains who have even tried a third or fourth time to get revenge. It just depends on the villains mentality and stubbornness; if he really holds a grudge against the protagonist, he'll seek any means necessary to take them down, even if it means failing time and time again.
I'm not talking about episodic villains like Dr. Claw and Dr. Wiley, either. I'm talking about actual villains that have vanished in the story only to return later and still try to be a foil. To use an example, there's a villain from the books of Raymond E. Feist, Sidi, who ended up switching bodies twice and fought against the protagonists on three separate occasions, spanning the course of 150 years. Each time, he'd have a new plan and face new protagonists, since the previous protagonists had already died from old age.
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@Robo:
Bringing Arlong back as any sort of physical threat would be terrible story telling. Oda just put the entire crew through a two year time-skip in order to make them stronger and show that they've become monsters. The impact of the time-skip would be severely minimized through fighting Arlong. He's a guy that they were able to beat before they even entered the grandline and yet after all they've been through they still can barely handle him? No. Oda would not pull something that bad.
Who says they could barely handle him?
I agree - if he came back with the power level that had the battle on par with Luffy and Luci(spelling) Then yeah that would be a little dissapointing.
The only reasoning I can think of is Arlong was their first really tough group battle. Buggy was a joke - Kuro was to affirm Luffy's goal in our minds showing a pirate that lost his ideals. Don Krieg I would say was more for Zoro and Sanji's benifit then any challange to Luffy.
Let me just say Arlong may be playing a role in this arc - just not in person if that makes sense?
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The only way I could accept Oda bringing back Arlong as any form of threat is if he and Nami is going to have a showdown. That way he is nothing compared to the trio but against Nami he could actually survive more than one blow, as long as he have received at least a moderate boost.
Cleaning is for the stupid, geniuses can remain calm amidst chaos 
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I actually want Arlong to come back into the story. The expression on Nami's face reveals how much trauma she still suffers from because of Arlong (that would be because he used her all those years at Arlong Park). Anyway, I want to see an Arlong vs Nami battle because I think Nami could beat Arlong at this point. Don't take me wrong, villains can get stronger too, but this is just a fantasy of mine.
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Isn't Arlong in jail?
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I don´t see the point in Arlong coming back just to have his ass kicked by Nami. I think Luffy defeating him back in Arlong Park was emotionally satisfying enough for her, she doesn
t strike me as having this need to get a more personal revenge against him. Of course, seeing the tattoe would still hurt an remind her of her past. But beating Arlong wouldnt stop that, how could she ever forget her mother being murdered in front of her? Thats just impossible.Also, it would just take away from the moment when Luffy beats Arlong and frees Nami from his terror, if he now just comes back again as a threat and has to be defeated again.
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Meanwhile, in the barrel…
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Buggy used to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Shanks.
exactly. Anyone who still thinks Arlong isnt fodder at this point should read this again and again and again!
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I don´t see the point in Arlong coming back just to have his ass kicked by Nami. I think Luffy defeating him back in Arlong Park was emotionally satisfying enough for her, she doesn
t strike me as having this need to get a more personal revenge against him. Of course, seeing the tattoe would still hurt an remind her of her past. But beating Arlong wouldnt stop that, how could she ever forget her mother being murdered in front of her? Thats just impossible.Also, it would just take away from the moment when Luffy beats Arlong and frees Nami from his terror, if he now just comes back again as a threat and has to be defeated again.
I'm sorry I don't see it as detracting from that moment.
That moment was powerful in itself, that said any follow up would not hold the same emotion, it would hold it's own.
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Isn't Arlong in jail?
yes he prob was. i'm not sure if u remember, but there was a whole arc on impel down…so consider this (and this aint just to you, but for ppl who is doubting arlong's appearance in any form)
1. arlong is a big boss. he would haev been in level 5 minimum, and even possibly level 6, lets assume he was in lvl 6
2. we know that all level 6 prisoners were released. they fought each other and only thhe strongest would leave. we also know that blackbeard didn't take all of them, only a select few. arlong could have broken out. he can also swim.
3. there has been a 2 year leap. anything could have happened in those two years. however, i think we can all agree that arlong is not someone who would go into retirement, or would not open up a swordfish delicacy store. he most certainly have been doing something, either taking over territories, or trying to exact revenge on Luffy.
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I'm sure they would at least showed a glimse of Arlong if he was in impel down. Doubt he was.
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I'm sure they would at least showed a glimse of Arlong if he was in impel down. Doubt he was.
true. i'm just saying that if he was in impel down, he was freed. if he wasn't in impel down, that means hes still out there. as a major merman, and us reaching FI, i think its safe to assume hes gonna reappear.
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Van Der Dekken is Dave Chappelle. It can't be coincidence that no one knows where either of these people are!
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yes he prob was. i'm not sure if u remember, but there was a whole arc on impel down…so consider this (and this aint just to you, but for ppl who is doubting arlong's appearance in any form)
1. arlong is a big boss. he would haev been in level 5 minimum, and even possibly level 6, lets assume he was in lvl 6
2. we know that all level 6 prisoners were released. they fought each other and only thhe strongest would leave. we also know that blackbeard didn't take all of them, only a select few. arlong could have broken out. he can also swim.
3. there has been a 2 year leap. anything could have happened in those two years. however, i think we can all agree that arlong is not someone who would go into retirement, or would not open up a swordfish delicacy store. he most certainly have been doing something, either taking over territories, or trying to exact revenge on Luffy.
Correct on the swimming.
Level 6? - Naw I doubt it regardless of power level - his Bounty alone would have him on level 1 or 2 alone I think based on prior standards.
I'm sure they would at least showed a glimse of Arlong if he was in impel down. Doubt he was.
Not really - He got smashed up by luffy and then on escaping he had a lot of strong people with him - wait it out and escape to the water. Probably right after Luffy and crew hit the water.
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1. arlong is a big boss. he would haev been in level 5 minimum, and even possibly level 6, lets assume he was in lvl 6
You must be joking. Prisoners with bounty as high as Arlong's go to level 2, and even though his bounty was lower than it should have been (East Blue's bounties are pretty low), he wouldn't have gone to level 5. It's for people like Supernovas.
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Not really - He got smashed up by luffy and then on escaping he had a lot of strong people with him - wait it out and escape to the water. Probably right after Luffy and crew hit the water.
Wait … a main villain wouldn't have been shown in Impel Down, if he was there?
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Wait … a main villain wouldn't have been shown in Impel Down, if he was there?
It is a possiblity - what good would it have served? Brief moment of Luffy seeing him - some choice words?
I think it would have been too much of a speedbump in the pace of ID.
Also is it clearly stated that Arlong is in Jail? I can't remember the manga from then and work is slow to load the online viewers.
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I'm not saying that it's impossible for Arlong to have broken out of jail in the past 2 years, but I don't think its likely. If he's just going to be out of jail again, what was the point of him being there in the first place? The only thing that one could argue has resulted from Arlong being in jail is Hachi separating from him. If all Oda wanted to accomplish was Hachi being alone he could have written it off as a falling out between the two.
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You must be joking. Prisoners with bounty as high as Arlong's go to level 2, and even though his bounty was lower than it should have been (East Blue's bounties are pretty low), he wouldn't have gone to level 5. It's for people like Supernovas.
another joker who thinks bounties is everything. impel down's level system is not based on bounty, its based on threat to the marines. while bounties are one way of determining threat level, a merman who was overtaking east blue would have never been taken seriously. in a way, you could call arlong a genius. he went for the weakest of the four seas, a place where he could reign like an emperor without attracting big shot marines to his attention. i call him a genius rather than a pussy because arlong has never shown any signs of running away, unlike buggy
@Robo:
I'm not saying that it's impossible for Arlong to have broken out of jail in the past 2 years, but I don't think its likely. If he's just going to be out of jail again, what was the point of him being there in the first place? The only thing that one could argue has resulted from Arlong being in jail is Hachi separating from him. If all Oda wanted to accomplish was Hachi being alone he could have written it off as a falling out between the two.
ooo thats a great point that i have forgotten about. if arlong was not in jail, there was no way hachi would have been able to leave the crew. remember mohmoo who tried to leave when he was called in by hachi? arlong "let" him. if arlong was not put into impel down, its 100% sure that hachi would still be a part of arlong's crew. you think arlong would just let hachi leave to open a takoyaki stand?
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It is a possiblity - what good would it have served? Brief moment of Luffy seeing him - some choice words?
I think it would have been too much of a speedbump in the pace of ID.
Also is it clearly stated that Arlong is in Jail? I can't remember the manga from then and work is slow to load the online viewers.
Kuro popped up when it showed Luffy's 300 million beri poster. A glimpse of one of the major villains wouldn't have done anything on the pace of the arc. Hachi said that he was the only one to escape from the group but that doesn't stop Arlong from escaping, or bribing someone. This is all assumption, but no one should rule out the return of Arlong
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another joker who thinks bounties is everything. impel down's level system is not based on bounty, its based on threat to the marines.
1)Bounty IS threat level to marines.
2)Impel Down's system IS built around bounties, barring the "forgotten from history" guys on floor six that exceed 100 mill or were former shichibukai.Even given that Arlong was bribing to keep his bounty low, he still didn't justify better than level 2 or 3 at ID. Though actually the fire hell floor would have been a great place to keep a fishman weak and powerless, so he might have been put there.
Hachi said Arlong was in prison. Arlong wasn't in ID. ID wasn't the only prison the marines have. Arlong is in prison somewhere else.
There is NO good story reason for him to come back. He's no longer a threat emotionally or physically, he's best served as a symbol.
We didn't even see TOM in Impel Down, and he was SUPPOSED to be there.
Kuro popped up when it showed Luffy's 300 million beri poster.
No he didn't. The anime plopped him into the 30 mill bounty, but he hasn't shown up in the manga since his defeat.
Hachi said that he was the only one to escape from the group but that doesn't stop Arlong from escaping, or bribing someone. This is all assumption, but no one should rule out the return of Arlong
Barring Arlong being in an incredibly unexpected, unguessable role (akin to Garp being Luffy's grandpa or Ace being Roger's son… that level of only-the-author could know sort of twist) or somehow massively changed, there is absolutely no reason to bring him back. He won't be in this arc merely to be the boss of a new gang or to be fodder when new characters serve that role better.
Dude didn't even get coverstory coverage most of the villains got. He's done.
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another joker who thinks bounties is everything. impel down's level system is not based on bounty, its based on threat to the marines. while bounties are one way of determining threat level, a merman who was overtaking east blue would have never been taken seriously. in a way, you could call arlong a genius. he went for the weakest of the four seas, a place where he could reign like an emperor without attracting big shot marines to his attention. i call him a genius rather than a pussy because arlong has never shown any signs of running away, unlike buggy
How are they going to know his threat level?
He has a low bounty and the Marine he bought off could have had him put in the lower bracket easy.
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another joker who thinks bounties is everything. impel down's level system is not based on bounty, its based on threat to the marines. while bounties are one way of determining threat level, a merman who was overtaking east blue would have never been taken seriously. in a way, you could call arlong a genius. he went for the weakest of the four seas, a place where he could reign like an emperor without attracting big shot marines to his attention. i call him a genius rather than a pussy because arlong has never shown any signs of running away, unlike buggy
Impel Down is actually (usually) determined by bounties. Certain exceptions include when the threat level of the person doesn't reflect the bounty they had, which explains why Mr. 2 was in level 3. Crocodile had his bounty removed a long time ago so Level 6 didn't surprise me all that much.
The government does consider threat level when they're given reason to. However, the level system is mostly set up based on bounty. It's more efficient that way.
