Confession Session - LOCK THIS THREAD

[Robby]

Art classes aren't much help at all. The only thing they do is say "Draw a lot." And your homework is "draw this thing you don't want to draw".

If you know nothing at all about art, a starter class can teach you basic color theory and perspective, but it won't be anything you didn't learn from a middle school art class. Unless you really want to see a live naked model, but that generally isn't until more advanced classes, and they pool from both genders, so you many not see what you want to see.

Really, all you can do is practice, study, and practice some more. That is all an art class will teach you. "Draw this cow skull and a pair of boots in an odd medium on oversized paper" isn't really helpful.

I work on art professionally for 10-16 hours a day, every day, for the last twelve years… and in my free time drawing through all my years of school before that... and I still suck. It takes thousands of hours to learn the skill. I know the theory and the anatomy and the rules and the concepts and I'm a great editor as a result, but the actual implementation I'm not so great at. (I can color comic books pretty well though.)

All you can do is practice. And thats all a class will do, give you an assigned hour to draw a random thing, and some homework to draw more random things. Either you love drawing and you've already put in years of practice and will know more than the teacher anyway... or you haven't done it at all and a class isn't going to help much.

Now, if you have a very specific region of art you want to go into as a career, like teaching, art history, architecture, or animation, then yes, classes are essential, because they're specialized fields and require specialized teachers. But just regular drawing for fun? Practice will do you for that.

Just remember. You are never as good as you can be. You can always be better than you currently are.

[Kylor]

@Mr.:

'tis fine. =) If anything, I would encourage to draw at least once everyday, so you build a habit of it, which I should do, too…

Which is something that's really cracking down on me, and leading to a confession of sorts. I really want to tell a story, like maybe write a book, but I would love to make it something like a comic as well. But the thing is, I'm not really fond of the comic industry and inserting my new-and-unfamiliar-story into a crowd of familiar-and-comfortable stories. I'm mainly having trouble with what kind of media to carry the story on. I see it in my head as a movie, but I could also see it as a series of novels. I'm not sure where I really want to go with it, but I feel that making it a novel first would be a good start.

I always struggle with this sort of problem. My current story, A Dastardly Two, changed media like three times before I settled on writing it down like a novel. Other ideas I've had to scrap simply because I don't have enough skill in a particular field to tell the story the way I want to. And whatever media you choose, you're gonna find obstacles and restrictions. Currently, I'm interested in branching out and experimenting in new ways of storytelling, but finding the time and resources to do so is difficult.

[bartholemew kuma]

Decided to take up a new challenge. I will start either a podcast or some quick Youtube comedy skits in English soon.
Inspiration has hit me from Richard Herring to improve on my comedy skills instead of trying to suck up to these ingrate Libyan producers who want me to work for free. I think this would be better as English is my main language and would benefit me more once i go back to the U.K.
Starting every Friday i will write about what has happened to me this last week, and transform them into comedy skits, as well as performing some other material i have been writing lately

[pyromonki]

@RobbyBevard:

Just remember. You are never as good as you can be. You can always be better than you currently are.

It's like my artist's motto written before me.

If that's all there is to it, then yeah, I already do try drawing things I suck at.

Which is Wood.

I suck at drawing wood, for some odd reason, the rings and crevices in the wood elude me, so my trees never look realistic. Wood buildings laugh at me while I cry tears of blood to sleep.

At Mr. Zoro and Kylor, I suggest either doing a web comic, or just being confident in your work (I also recommend having some pride, if you know it's not presentable yet, don't get too anxious and release it).

Web comics are "free" so people read them, but if you get enough hits, you can add Ads to your site as a source of small revenue and use that money to publish yourself.

[Gliblord]

@bartholemew:

Decided to take up a new challenge. I will start either a podcast or some quick Youtube comedy skits in English soon.
Inspiration has hit me from Richard Herring to improve on my comedy skills instead of trying to suck up to these ingrate Libyan producers who want me to work for free. I think this would be better as English is my main language and would benefit me more once i go back to the U.K.
Starting every Friday i will write about what has happened to me this last week, and transform them into comedy skits, as well as performing some other material i have been writing lately

As the host of a podcast and humorist myself, if you need tips I'm more than willing to help in any way I can.

[Elisabeth Heart]

@RobbyBevard:

Unless you really want to see a live naked model, but that generally isn't until more advanced classes, and they pool from both genders, so you many not see what you want to see.

Although, I've never met a student who saw the naked model as a person.
When you are in those classes, the models are very much like a bowl of fruits to your eyes.
Except maybe a little more interesting to draw.

Drawing your lover or a friend might be a little more tricky in that sense.
Well. It was for me :)

[DarthAsthma]

@Kylor:

I always struggle with this sort of problem. My current story, A Dastardly Two, changed media like three times before I settled on writing it down like a novel. Other ideas I've had to scrap simply because I don't have enough skill in a particular field to tell the story the way I want to. And whatever media you choose, you're gonna find obstacles and restrictions. Currently, I'm interested in branching out and experimenting in new ways of storytelling, but finding the time and resources to do so is difficult.

That's actually pretty common I believe.
Brandon Sanderson (acclaimed fantasy author) actually confessed that he had the idea for his current new series "The Stormlight Archive" for years, but he put it on hold until he gained enough experience to do his idea justice.
He published 11 works before the first book of "The Stormlight Archive", "The Way of Kings".
He also said that the Stormlight Archive is the series that he views as his lifework.

[Hiroy]

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[Kitsune Inferno]

I feel like one of those overly-entitled whiny kids right now because despite my awesome week, I'm feeling worse right now than I have in months. My mood tends to spiral like this all the time, but to go from top of the world to the gutters in such a short time really, really sucks. It's like I subconsciously punish myself for having any shred of happiness. Or maybe's it's just God's way of telling me that I need to let the best damn thing that's happened to me go. I'm in ruins over this, and I can't seem to rationalize any of it. I've felt nothing over the past couple of days since the award, but today I've wanted to do nothing but break down and cry.

I just wish I could curl up and disappear and never have been here. That'd make things easier for everyone.

[I survived the buster call]

Ah KI–you add so much to these forums, I sincerely doubt your absence would make things easier for anyone. Feel better dear. You indeed deserve the good things coming your way. I hope peace comes to you sooner than later.

[Jazzy Jinx]

Don't leave, Vixen.

I need you around to edit the first post of the monthly.

[Silence]

Arlong Park would far, far too cold without our little firefox keeping it warm and inviting. Hang in there, Alex.

[Dryish]

Man, if you feel like crying, do cry. Let it out. It's by far the best remedy for something like this. We're all here to listen to you and to help you out with anything when you need it.

[Kitsune Inferno]

Thanks, guys, I feel awful for even posting about it, but I really think I'll be okay now. You guys are the best, thanks for the words.~

[Riddler]

@Kitsune:

Thanks, guys, I feel awful for even posting about it, but I really think I'll be okay now. You guys are the best, thanks for the words.~

I dont think you should feel awful, its not like you can control if you feel happy or sad, so if youre feeling miserable, its really not your fault. If you want to cry or talk about how bad you feel, then go right ahead and do so. Theres no sense in hiding your emotions, its unhealthy and probably would make you feel even worse. So, uh, long story short, don`t feel bad about it

[Monkey King]

@bartholemew:

Decided to take up a new challenge. I will start either a podcast or some quick Youtube comedy skits in English soon.
Inspiration has hit me from Richard Herring to improve on my comedy skills instead of trying to suck up to these ingrate Libyan producers who want me to work for free. I think this would be better as English is my main language and would benefit me more once i go back to the U.K.
Starting every Friday i will write about what has happened to me this last week, and transform them into comedy skits, as well as performing some other material i have been writing lately

A local guy making comedic vlogs about his life in a wartorn unstable homeland in a Scottish accent is the most 21st Century thing fucking ever lol.

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@Elisabeth:

I wrote something like that.

! Dunno if it was my post you were looking for though :)Anyway. You don't really need "how to draw" books to learn anatomy.
I went to art school for a few years and it basically comes down to observing reality and drawing from it.
For our anatomy classes, we drew nude, we were told to draw our hands, feet, face, etc…
Photos can help too, but it's never as good of a model as reality. Not as detailed. Already went through someone else's eyes.
You have to watch and make it your own~

Now I went through all this stuff, and did all this, and yet gave up and am now pursuing different stuff altogether… what went wrong?

And you know what ? They enjoyed it, all of it.

Oh yeah. That part.

[Nia]

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[MDL]

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[bartholemew kuma]

first fan up above ;)
Found out writing comedy stand up aint too easy. 30 minutes of material is pretty diificult

[Gliblord]

It's not just the material either, your delivery is even more important. It's going to take a while, but it'll definitely be worth it to exercise your comic muscle.

[Monkey King]

Delivery and timing are arguably even MORE important than material! A funny personality and style can make unfunny things funny.

Exhibit A: Mitch Hedberg

[Gliblord]

Exactly. And even comics with good material can be let down by annoying shticky deliveries.

[bartholemew kuma]

I been studying this comedic pause listening to Ricky gervais, Eddie Murphy, Chris rock and so forth
Luckily I have the knack of it naturally
Writing has become easier too, I am enjoying this experience.
Got a job interview in half an hour. Pay will be 1500 a month so I am hoping for te best

[piratemarimo]

I kind of have this sinking feeling. You know when something bad is gonna happen? It's possible I could have or will lose the research scholarship. The balance is back at zero and listed under transaction details is the word "refund issued." Of course… I haven't done anything. I knew this had to happen sooner or later. It's been quite some time since I was given my first assignment. I feel so stupid for not doing anything. I never wanted to do this in the first place, but I thought that if I refused this scholarship and my dad found out, he'd really burn money in front of me this time. I haven't done a thing. What if it's too late to remedy it? For that matter… everything. I failed a kanji quiz. What if I were to fail all of my classes? What's the point anymore? I don't want to be here. Never did. I met some great people. But why am I HERE? To fail?? Make it all in vain? I don't understand why I can't just…. DO THINGS. Why can't I just... be better than this? I'm letting down myself, other people. I can scarcely recall what I've been doing. It's because it is so trivial and unrewarding. No matter what I do, is it just going to leave me feeling more empty?

[Hiroy]

That's quite a problem there mari. I'm currently taking time away from college since I do know the opportunity to finish my degree would always be there. But the main reason behind this break is that I don't have much of a reason to finish the degree.

I've failed a single math class 3 times. It's not because I'm terrible at math, nor completely hate it. I can learn just fine, given I have the motivation to do so. But you see, I wasn't really happy with my career choice and thus felt as if I didn't have any reason to push through my remainder credits(which is like 4 more classes, including 2 math classes). I hated the thought of trying so hard to obtain something that wasn't worth it at all to me. Now I'm here at square one, discovering what I truly want to do, and work hard to make a living out of it.

Point is, you should try to make "your own" choices and be content with what paths "you" take in life. I'm not sure what it's like for you and your family, but you should not dedicate your entire life through pleasing them. As cliche as this sounds, you gotta please yourself first. Maybe you haven't discovered what you truly want to do yet, but that's perfectly okay. You are still young, and you have your entire life to settle down. So try not to worry too much, okay?

[ChesCa]

@Hiroy:

That's quite a problem there mari. I'm currently taking time away from college since I do know the opportunity to finish my degree would always be there. But the main reason behind this break is that I don't have much of a reason to finish the degree.

I've failed a single math class 3 times. It's not because I'm terrible at math, nor completely hate it. I can learn just fine, given I have the motivation to do so. But you see, I wasn't really happy with my career choice and thus felt as if I didn't have any reason to push through my remainder credits(which is like 4 more classes, including 2 math classes). I hated the thought of trying so hard to obtain something that wasn't worth it at all to me. Now I'm here at square one, discovering what I truly want to do, and work hard to make a living out of it.

Point is, you should try to make "your own" choices and be content with what paths "you" take in life. I'm not sure what it's like for you and your family, but you should not dedicate your entire life through pleasing them. As cliche as this sounds, you gotta please yourself first. Maybe you haven't discovered what you truly want to do yet, but that's perfectly okay. You are still young, and you have your entire life to settle down. So try not to worry too much, okay?

Pretty much this. I was very unhappy with college in many big ways and have to scrape out small victories I got out of the experience. Right now, I'm facing a reverse situation where I want to go back to school but the one job opportunity I have right now won't allow that for the time being, and it feels like I have to choose between some happiness and a little bit of money and a lot more happiness and a challenge and no money whatsoever. In your case, I think you should really think about what's right for you, especially since you're in a really good position to make hard decisions easier on yourself.

[piratemarimo]

Thanks you two. Honestly, I was starting to feel a disconnect, like I didn't matter anymore or that I had nobody to turn to who could help me. I think I know what the first step is. I don't know if this will cure me of my shameful lack of motivation, but I think I really seriously need to take a break from the internet. That seems to always be at the heart of the problem. I think it was just a gradual decline and then before I knew it things were snowballing out of my control. I hate to ever admit dad is right but it is totally like cocaine. Of course, I do still need to finish two reviews for the writing competition, but after that I need to get serious. I should do what I want. It's what everyone keeps telling me. But I also know that you can't get it without putting in effort.

I can only hope that it's not too late to at least take care of this research. I have to salvage it. I think that doing this isn't what I want but it has to be a valuable lesson for me more than anything.

You know? The first assignment? It's an hour long interview video about the tsunami that hit Japan. Part of me has been scared to watch. Most of me has just lacked motivation. I know I wouldn't have had the discipline to work on it more if it was a completely different subject. But I think that it still affects me sometimes. I get choked up. I guess I need to stop being so childish and start facing things I fear or don't like. My dad always tells me that sometimes it's unavoidable that we have to do necessary unpleasant things.

[Hiroy]

Your dad is a wise man :) Wishing you all the success mari. And I hope your attempts at time management and obtaining self confidence works out for you. If you are ever in the mood the pass a thought(like anything) or just want to vent, you are more than welcome to PM me or drop a message in my profile box. As a friend, it's the least I can offer you.

[Mr. Zoro]

I find your last sentence rather amusing (in a positive way), considering your current avatar. xD

[Hiroy]

Yeah. That was completely intentional ;D

It could be "Who's ur friend!?" "You better say us!"
or
"You? Friend? oh hell no!"

[piratemarimo]

ha ha, Hiroy, that avatar. thank you.

[Kylor]

I really don't like posting here because I don't think my issues are important enough for this thread, but whatever, I need to talk about this.

! So I've been dating this girl for a long while now. And our relationship is going great, we both really like each other, and aside from the occasional squabble here and there, there's been no doubt about that. The problem is that she's got this birthday coming up, and she's going to celebrate it with her family, and I've been invited to go along. That sounds great, as I'm sure you're saying, there's really nothing wrong with that. Actually, you're not saying that, because you undoubtedly have figured out by now that there's a complication of some sort, which there is.
! See, about a year ago more or less, I found out I have a mild case of… a certain condition that I don't like bringing up to people. Now I consider it to be a non-issue most of the time, which is part of the reason why I don't like bringing it up. However, my girlfriend knows about it, and she thinks of it roughly the same way I do, but at one point she brought it up to her family. Now, they're not bad people at all, but they're not exactly the most understanding and informed crowd. One of them has even explicitly said once that she feels extremely uncomfortable around those with my condition. And you must understand that it's not a general feeling of uneasiness I'm afraid of, these are all incredibly confrontational people and I know that if I show up to this party, they'll probably bring it up at some point. I really don't want to be a terrible boyfriend, but I'm terrified of her family right now, and I have no idea about what I should do.

[Kitsune Inferno]

@Kylor:

I really don't like posting here because I don't think my issues are important enough for this thread, but whatever, I need to talk about this.

! So I've been dating this girl for a long while now. And our relationship is going great, we both really like each other, and aside from the occasional squabble here and there, there's been no doubt about that. The problem is that she's got this birthday coming up, and she's going to celebrate it with her family, and I've been invited to go along. That sounds great, as I'm sure you're saying, there's really nothing wrong with that. Actually, you're not saying that, because you undoubtedly have figured out by now that there's a complication of some sort, which there is.
! See, about a year ago more or less, I found out I have a mild case of… a certain condition that I don't like bringing up to people. Now I consider it to be a non-issue most of the time, which is part of the reason why I don't like bringing it up. However, my girlfriend knows about it, and she thinks of it roughly the same way I do, but at one point she brought it up to her family. Now, they're not bad people at all, but they're not exactly the most understanding and informed crowd. One of them has even explicitly said once that she feels extremely uncomfortable around those with my condition. And you must understand that it's not a general feeling of uneasiness I'm afraid of, these are all incredibly confrontational people and I know that if I show up to this party, they'll probably bring it up at some point. I really don't want to be a terrible boyfriend, but I'm terrified of her family right now, and I have no idea about what I should do.

Try thinking about ways to be open about it with them, perhaps? I understand that it's something you don't want to talk about, but I find that stuff like that bothers me a whole lot less when I'm upfront about it. Especially since they already know. If they have questions, just do your best to answer them politely. Try and give whatever it is a positive spin, if you can.~ But don't be terrified by it. See if you can't change a few perspectives.

[trappedolphin]

@Kylor:

I really don't like posting here because I don't think my issues are important enough for this thread, but whatever, I need to talk about this.

! So I've been dating this girl for a long while now. And our relationship is going great, we both really like each other, and aside from the occasional squabble here and there, there's been no doubt about that. The problem is that she's got this birthday coming up, and she's going to celebrate it with her family, and I've been invited to go along. That sounds great, as I'm sure you're saying, there's really nothing wrong with that. Actually, you're not saying that, because you undoubtedly have figured out by now that there's a complication of some sort, which there is.
! See, about a year ago more or less, I found out I have a mild case of… a certain condition that I don't like bringing up to people. Now I consider it to be a non-issue most of the time, which is part of the reason why I don't like bringing it up. However, my girlfriend knows about it, and she thinks of it roughly the same way I do, but at one point she brought it up to her family. Now, they're not bad people at all, but they're not exactly the most understanding and informed crowd. One of them has even explicitly said once that she feels extremely uncomfortable around those with my condition. And you must understand that it's not a general feeling of uneasiness I'm afraid of, these are all incredibly confrontational people and I know that if I show up to this party, they'll probably bring it up at some point. I really don't want to be a terrible boyfriend, but I'm terrified of her family right now, and I have no idea about what I should do.

Charm them and show them that you're not all about that condition. Let them see that there's a lot more to you than that as a person. Maybe prepare what you will say if it does come up; just explain it calmly and confidently. Like what Kitty said, you might have a good chance of changing their perspective, especially if it's based simply on ignorance or unfamiliarity. You could actually use this opportunity to make a good impression on them, even. Meeting you and understanding what it's really about is better than leaving them to their own imaginations, which might be more fanciful and exaggerated than you'd want.

[Riddler]

@Kylor:

I really don't like posting here because I don't think my issues are important enough for this thread, but whatever, I need to talk about this.

! So I've been dating this girl for a long while now. And our relationship is going great, we both really like each other, and aside from the occasional squabble here and there, there's been no doubt about that. The problem is that she's got this birthday coming up, and she's going to celebrate it with her family, and I've been invited to go along. That sounds great, as I'm sure you're saying, there's really nothing wrong with that. Actually, you're not saying that, because you undoubtedly have figured out by now that there's a complication of some sort, which there is.
! See, about a year ago more or less, I found out I have a mild case of… a certain condition that I don't like bringing up to people. Now I consider it to be a non-issue most of the time, which is part of the reason why I don't like bringing it up. However, my girlfriend knows about it, and she thinks of it roughly the same way I do, but at one point she brought it up to her family. Now, they're not bad people at all, but they're not exactly the most understanding and informed crowd. One of them has even explicitly said once that she feels extremely uncomfortable around those with my condition. And you must understand that it's not a general feeling of uneasiness I'm afraid of, these are all incredibly confrontational people and I know that if I show up to this party, they'll probably bring it up at some point. I really don't want to be a terrible boyfriend, but I'm terrified of her family right now, and I have no idea about what I should do.

Definately go to the party. It must seem like a huge task to overcome, but not going there would only postpone the inevitable (as I assume you plan on staying together with your girlfriend). And after it, youll probably feel really relieved and proud to have overcome your fears. Just try to not stress yourself and to stay polite, Im sure everything will be over quickly and it won`t be so bad.

And adding to what trapped said, its not like youre some kind of freak who has to hide himself. Show them you`re a normal person and that you are not defined by your condition.

[Mr M]

I don't know what condition unless I read over it like an idiot but just go to it and try to show who you are and that the condition doesn't make you ok?

[joesephes]

I honestly want to commit suicide at this point. Through out the last 8 years of my life, almost all I have done is kiss ass, simply doing stuff for people just to impress others and not for myself. And everytime I try to make friends I keep avoiding getting close to them out the fear of being very hurt if something happens to them, same reason as to why I didn't even bother to try to find a girlfriend as well as to why I've been so distant from my family for quite some time (due to the death of one of my cousins back at '06 which traumatized me greatly). The only things I have left that kept me going are my hobbies like gaming and my projects, but even those might not be enough anymore. I mean seriously, I fear that if anymore of my loved ones die (especially my parents), I might end up doing something horrible and regretable. ;_;

[Riddler]

Damn, thats rough. Now, dont get this the wrong way, but maybe it would be better for you to see therapeutic help. If things are really as bad as youre saying, I dont think talking to anonymous people on the Internet will help you that much. You obviously need someone that is there for you for once and if youre too afraid to get close to your friends this may be the only choice.

That said, you have to start living for yourself more. Its no wonder youre unhappy if youre always just trying to please others. Now this is all so easy to say and so hard to actually realise, I know, but the only way to help yourself is change things. Try to change your attitude about life and try to be more open to others. There is really no other way. If you are too scared to let anyone be close too you, it will be really hard for you to find happiness. And committing suicide doesnt help in anyway. That wouldn`t make your life better, it would just end your life. Thats not an answer to your problems or a solution.

You have to fight for your happiness. If you cant get close to the people in your life now because youre scared to lose them, then find some help from professionals. You dont have to worry about losing them and theyll help you deal with your problems. You just have to be willing to do so.

[joesephes]

@Riddler:

Damn, thats rough. Now, dont get this the wrong way, but maybe it would be better for you to see therapeutic help. If things are really as bad as youre saying, I dont think talking to anonymous people on the Internet will help you that much. You obviously need someone that is there for you for once and if youre too afraid to get close to your friends this may be the only choice.

That said, you have to start living for yourself more. Its no wonder youre unhappy if youre always just trying to please others. Now this is all so easy to say and so hard to actually realise, I know, but the only way to help yourself is change things. Try to change your attitude about life and try to be more open to others. There is really no other way. If you are too scared to let anyone be close too you, it will be really hard for you to find happiness. And committing suicide doesn't help in anyway. That wouldnt make your life better, it would just end your life. Thats not an answer to your problems or a solution.

You have to fight for your happiness. If you cant get close to the people in your life now because youre scared to lose them, then find some help from professionals. You dont have to worry about losing them and theyll help you deal with your problems. You just have to be willing to do so.

Thanks, I might try that.

However, It's not as simple as most people would think. I've seen and met people that have too many issues which made it very difficult to even find the right friends to be around, not to mention that therapy is very costly now and days. And finally, with the way my family is now (especially my mom), being more open with them will be a hard task for me.

But still I do feel much better and confident now. Thanks for the advice! :)

[Riddler]

@joesephes:

Thanks, I might try that.

However, It's not as simple as most people would think. I've seen and met people that have too many issues which made it very difficult to even find the right friends to be around, not to mention that therapy is very costly now and days. And finally, with the way my family is now (especially my mom), being more open with them will be a hard task for me.

But still I do feel much better and confident now. Thanks for the advice! :)

True, real therapy is costly. But Im pretty sure there all kinds of social services that you could use that arent quite as costly. It`s just important to have someone whos more or less dedicated to help you with your problems and that you can talk to, because facing this alone is a huge task.

[I survived the buster call]

http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/
National Suicide Prevention Hotline. 1-800-273-TALK (8255) Call. It's Completely free, confidential therapy available 24/7/365. They ought to be able to help you immediately, and then lead you to help for the longer term that is either free, or on a sliding scale according to what you can afford, which is essentially the same thing for most students and many others. They are trained and know what they are doing.

Please don't just say what you think we may want to hear. Do what you need to do to help yourself. And remember that if you are afraid to lose someone you love, your loved ones will feel the same about you.

[joesephes]

Even though I am slowly feeling better now after spending a little time with my folks, I truly appreciate the number and will consider it. Thank you! :)

You guys have been a big help!

[Hiroy]

I don't know where I'm going with this one, but I think I can put something in words here.
[hide]
I can tolerate many different kinds of people fine, just as long as they can handle and not misinterpret me. It's an even exchange, and it's something I look for whenever I do find myself forging new friendships. It's how I get along really well with alot of people afterall, so I can't say whatever I do is completely wrong. It just works for me.

But there are times when things aren't quite even, and I think it's problematic to persist tolerating with it. I've had a few members here that offered me thier Skype names to chat(no video/audio thankfully), but at most… I ended up blocking them, because usually our conversations are never all that engaging. It's always about me listening attentively to what "this guy" says, and whenever I do contribute my own part, it's ignored , even when the topics are completely similar. And it just goes on and on. I ask questions whenever I don't know what is being talked about, and even then the answers don't make me any more interested in the topic than I did before. I could be honest, but I sense sensitive person a mile away... so I avoid hurting feelings or starting a debate that usually ends with "to each their own"(aka, a big waste of time).

Aside from that, there are other people that surround me that challenges my patience.
They know how I act.
I jokingly make fun of people with good reason. Sometimes in an immature in fashion. So what?
I don't go as far as to hurt feelings or shed tears.
They know others within my circle don't particularly mind me. What's the deal?
But yet they try to get all personal and make me look like a bad person either directly or indirectly. I sometimes find myself sitting around for hours questioning my motives to see whether or not I did something wrong or evil. I've talked with friends constantly about this issue, but they don't mind. They like what I do and it makes me happy to know it.

Point is, I'm just trying to figure out why such people would surround me if they aren't interested in what I have to say, or just not fond of my general attitude. Why waste breath on me? It just makes me feel guilty for neglecting them in the end.
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[Kitsune Inferno]

@Hiroy:

I don't know where I'm going with this one, but I think I can put something in words here.
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I can tolerate many different kinds of people fine, just as long as they can handle and not misinterpret me. It's an even exchange, and it's something I look for whenever I do find myself forging new friendships. It's how I get along really well with alot of people afterall, so I can't say whatever I do is completely wrong. It just works for me.

But there are times when things aren't quite even, and I think it's problematic to persist tolerating with it. I've had a few members here that offered me thier Skype names to chat(no video/audio thankfully), but at most… I ended up blocking them, because usually our conversations are never all that engaging. It's always about me listening attentively to what "this guy" says, and whenever I do contribute my own part, it's ignored , even when the topics are completely similar. And it just goes on and on. I ask questions whenever I don't know what is being talked about, and even then the answers don't make me any more interested in the topic than I did before. I could be honest, but I sense sensitive person a mile away... so I avoid hurting feelings or starting a debate that usually ends with "to each their own"(aka, a big waste of time).

Aside from that, there are other people that surround me that challenges my patience.
They know how I act.
I jokingly make fun of people with good reason. Sometimes in an immature in fashion. So what?
I don't go as far as to hurt feelings or shed tears.
They know others within my circle don't particularly mind me. What's the deal?
But yet they try to get all personal and make me look like a bad person either directly or indirectly. I sometimes find myself sitting around for hours questioning my motives to see whether or not I did something wrong or evil. I've talked with friends constantly about this issue, but they don't mind. They like what I do and it makes me happy to know it.

Point is, I'm just trying to figure out why such people would surround me if they aren't interested in what I have to say, or just not fond of my general attitude. Why waste breath on me? It just makes me feel guilty for neglecting them in the end.
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I don't think you're addressing me in particular in this case, but I want to apologize profusely if I've ever made you feel this way. We've talked a few times, but I have noticed and I am very much aware of the fact that I tend to have one-sided conversations with people that basically amount to me talking about what I like and ignoring what the other person has to say for the most part. I don't know that I'm aware if I ever dumped this kind of conversation on you in particular, though, but I'm just putting this out there just in case. That's not to say I haven't improved in that aspect though, because I've done my best over the past year to NOT have one-sided conversations.

Oh and don't ever change. Your sense of humor is pretty fun for the most part. You're not a bad person at all. I don't think we've ever really had a conversation that wound up like that, but if we did, again, sorry. I don't think I've totally disagreed with any opinions of yours and I've certainly never discounted them intentionally.

As for your question, people are pretty hard to understand. But don't let it get to you, because I'm sure for every person like that, there are five people who ARE interested in what you have to say, and ARE fond of your general attitude. As for understanding why they'd talk to you, that's something only they can answer. Some people have superficial reasons, some have really good ones, but everyone has their reasons.

I highly doubt my post helps, but yeah. Hope you get to feeling better about it. :)
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[Hiroy]

@Kitsune:

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I don't think you're addressing me in particular in this case, but I want to apologize profusely if I've ever made you feel this way. We've talked a few times, but I have noticed and I am very much aware of the fact that I tend to have one-sided conversations with people that basically amount to me talking about what I like and ignoring what the other person has to say for the most part. I don't know that I'm aware if I ever dumped this kind of conversation on you in particular, though, but I'm just putting this out there just in case. That's not to say I haven't improved in that aspect though, because I've done my best over the past year to NOT have one-sided conversations.

Oh and don't ever change. Your sense of humor is pretty fun for the most part. You're not a bad person at all. I don't think we've ever really had a conversation that wound up like that, but if we did, again, sorry. I don't think I've totally disagreed with any opinions of yours and I've certainly never discounted them intentionally.

As for your question, people are pretty hard to understand. But don't let it get to you, because I'm sure for every person like that, there are five people who ARE interested in what you have to say, and ARE fond of your general attitude. As for understanding why they'd talk to you, that's something only they can answer. Some people have superficial reasons, some have really good ones, but everyone has their reasons.

I highly doubt my post helps, but yeah. Hope you get to feeling better about it. :)
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I can't neglect you dude. You are cool. I'm more talking about the people I blocked, which is usually just them not seeing me logging into my messengers ever again(It's like being forever invisible to a particular person, without ghosting). Sorry I had to make you apologize… You really don't have to. We kinda like the same stuff, so nothing really feels one-sided when talking with you. I assure you that.

And yeah. I guess trying to figure out such people isn't going to get me anywhere at this point. Sometimes I just feel like asking "why are you being so childish?", but that just takes something that was only intended for laughs into something serious.... And I don't like arguing. Especially if it's over something that wasn't intended to be argued over.

Thanks for understanding though. Your post did in fact help me. I'm currently taking a break from social networking sites and sticking to IMs for a month or less(temporarly deactivated FB). It's my way to prevent myself from lashing out on those that don't really deserve it, as I can see why some would get personal and defensive. I can tolerate that, but not for long.
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[Kitsune Inferno]

[hide]You don't have to apologize for my apology. I'm sorry that you're sorry that I'm sorry.

This conversation is going places![/hide]

[ChesCa]

@Hiroy:

I don't know where I'm going with this one, but I think I can put something in words here.
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I can tolerate many different kinds of people fine, just as long as they can handle and not misinterpret me. It's an even exchange, and it's something I look for whenever I do find myself forging new friendships. It's how I get along really well with alot of people afterall, so I can't say whatever I do is completely wrong. It just works for me.

But there are times when things aren't quite even, and I think it's problematic to persist tolerating with it. I've had a few members here that offered me thier Skype names to chat(no video/audio thankfully), but at most… I ended up blocking them, because usually our conversations are never all that engaging. It's always about me listening attentively to what "this guy" says, and whenever I do contribute my own part, it's ignored , even when the topics are completely similar. And it just goes on and on. I ask questions whenever I don't know what is being talked about, and even then the answers don't make me any more interested in the topic than I did before. I could be honest, but I sense sensitive person a mile away... so I avoid hurting feelings or starting a debate that usually ends with "to each their own"(aka, a big waste of time).

Aside from that, there are other people that surround me that challenges my patience.
They know how I act.
I jokingly make fun of people with good reason. Sometimes in an immature in fashion. So what?
I don't go as far as to hurt feelings or shed tears.
They know others within my circle don't particularly mind me. What's the deal?
But yet they try to get all personal and make me look like a bad person either directly or indirectly. I sometimes find myself sitting around for hours questioning my motives to see whether or not I did something wrong or evil. I've talked with friends constantly about this issue, but they don't mind. They like what I do and it makes me happy to know it.

Point is, I'm just trying to figure out why such people would surround me if they aren't interested in what I have to say, or just not fond of my general attitude. Why waste breath on me? It just makes me feel guilty for neglecting them in the end.
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Sometimes we all need a break. I hope it's fruitful and give you the rest/downtime you need.

And I'll let Fox do the apologizing for me. He's got plenty of sorrys to go around. :ninja:[/hide]

[Chrissie]

@Hiroy:

I don't know where I'm going with this one, but I think I can put something in words here.
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I can tolerate many different kinds of people fine, just as long as they can handle and not misinterpret me. It's an even exchange, and it's something I look for whenever I do find myself forging new friendships. It's how I get along really well with alot of people afterall, so I can't say whatever I do is completely wrong. It just works for me.

But there are times when things aren't quite even, and I think it's problematic to persist tolerating with it. I've had a few members here that offered me thier Skype names to chat(no video/audio thankfully), but at most… I ended up blocking them, because usually our conversations are never all that engaging. It's always about me listening attentively to what "this guy" says, and whenever I do contribute my own part, it's ignored , even when the topics are completely similar. And it just goes on and on. I ask questions whenever I don't know what is being talked about, and even then the answers don't make me any more interested in the topic than I did before. I could be honest, but I sense sensitive person a mile away... so I avoid hurting feelings or starting a debate that usually ends with "to each their own"(aka, a big waste of time).

Aside from that, there are other people that surround me that challenges my patience.
They know how I act.
I jokingly make fun of people with good reason. Sometimes in an immature in fashion. So what?
I don't go as far as to hurt feelings or shed tears.
They know others within my circle don't particularly mind me. What's the deal?
But yet they try to get all personal and make me look like a bad person either directly or indirectly. I sometimes find myself sitting around for hours questioning my motives to see whether or not I did something wrong or evil. I've talked with friends constantly about this issue, but they don't mind. They like what I do and it makes me happy to know it.

Point is, I'm just trying to figure out why such people would surround me if they aren't interested in what I have to say, or just not fond of my general attitude. Why waste breath on me? It just makes me feel guilty for neglecting them in the end.
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I love our Skype sessions to death. Sketching away in mutual silence, having a pleasant conversation when we want to, just completely and utterly chilling out! So I can't really understand how some people treat you like this. You are a pretty cool buddy to lie on the grass and just watch the clouds pass by with~!

[Hiroy]

You guys are embarrassing.

…

But thanks for being embarrassing.
What better friends could I ask for?

[Kitsune Inferno]

I'm sorry that I embarass you. :cwy: