No problem man, glad that got cleared up.
Gotta go now, though. Gotta get ready to have Nami and Robin over for tea in a few (It's a JOKE! 
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Luffy's Message
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@JERK:
Retsudo is a good poster though.
You know Jerk Disease.
You're alright.
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"Nakama juuroku ikebana shizukana inori"
I found out that circle can actually be translated to Nakama as in "A circle of friends".
Juuroku is 16, tsuyoku means stronger (I know tsuyoi means strong not sure what difference the "ku" makes but i heard luffy saying tsuyoku when he was referring to becoming stronger) this would be a perfect example of playing with words.I'm not an expert on Japanese, and not fluent, but I don't think these quite work. The first one, though nakama can translate in English to circle of friends, the term circle of friends isn't really a term that's used in Japanese. So unless the SH are translating an English phrase involving a circle into Japanese, then I doubt they'd end up at "nakama." Seems like a stretch.
Then with going from juuroku to tsuyoku the issue is that they don't really sound all the much alike. ju and tsu are not that closely of related characters, nor are yo and ro. But the bigger issue is that they're not the same number of syllables. In Japanese, that second u in the juu is pronounced and considered it's own syllable (for example, if you were writing a haiku, juu would count as two syllables). Also, tsuyoi is the adjective and main word for strong. Changing the i to ku makes it an adverb. Most likely, you heard it as part of "tsusyoku naru" (become strong), which makes sense with what you are saying. But the thing about that is that form of the word would only be used as a part of a phrase. By itself, it would only be tsuyoi. It'd be like expecting someone to get to the word "strongly" in English – it just wouldn't be one's first instinct. So it just seems like too far of a stretch to expect the SHs to get from juuroku to tsuyoku.
But I do think you made a really good effort, and admire that you assumed that the message most like is in Japanese, which most people seem to be ignoring (the 2 Year crowds, for example).
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@I:
No problem man, glad that got cleared up.
Gotta go now, though. Gotta get ready to have Nami and Robin over for _tea_in a few (It's a JOKE!
)Is that what kids call it these days?? :ninja:
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And I was right the tattoo wasn't important
I am Mansopp the most manliest man to ever man.
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And I was right the tattoo wasn't important
And how is it you feel you know that for sure?
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@I:
And how is it you feel you know that for sure?
Luffy didn't ring a bell 16 times for no reason
I am Mansopp the most manliest man to ever man.
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Luffy didn't ring a bell 16 times for no reason
But that doesn't prove one way or the other the importance of the writing on his arm, really. The message could involve a combo of the bell ringing and the arm thing, or just one or the other, or something else entirely that he did there that day. We won't really know until we know, so sorry, I think it's a tad early to toot your horm just yet, though if you do turn out to be right, you can toot to your heart's content.
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How would they be able to read that anyway the newspaper picture is too small
I am Mansopp the most manliest man to ever man.
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How would they be able to read that anyway the newspaper picture is too small
Well, I tend to agree with you that the arm thing is not part of the message–for a variety of reasons that I've posted before, including the difficulty in being sure it would get photographed at all, never mind clearly--but...
I have to admit that there is the romote chance that the message could in part be comprised of a prearranged signal the SHs created among themselves (after the fish riders, before going to SA with Hatchi, perhaps)--knowing that it was a dangerous place to go to, it would make sense for them to arrange something, much like they did in Alabasta--if that were the case they might not need to see the entire thing in order to know what it is, and just getting it in the photo at all would be enough.
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I'm just thinking but how would Luffy ever be able to know what picture the newspaper choose. It's not like he can rely on them showing it.
Doesn't matter though, the more we try the more it amuses Oda. I'm sure he even timed it for this break, so it would mess with us all even more.
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I think that there was 3 meanings to what did Luffy. The first one was for the population who read the newspaper, he was paying his respects to WB and his brother. The second, the bell, was for the Marine or more precisly to misdirect them, so they don't focus on the third message, the tattoo which was for his crew and that's why he did the prayer right in front of the journalists so they could take his picture.
And that's what actually happened. In the chapter we can see that the Marine analyse the bell as a challenge but didn't care about the tattoo. -
Could be , but I doubt it .
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I'm just thinking but how would Luffy ever be able to know what picture the newspaper choose. It's not like he can rely on them showing it.
Doesn't matter though, the more we try the more it amuses Oda. I'm sure he even timed it for this break, so it would mess with us all even more.
dude it's a manga,
ahauahuahau, sorry, free one, i knowI go with the combo idea, the whole idea looks like Ray-san idea
so it might have more commom sense message than a luffy crew message.
clarifying: the X marker in alabasta was a message only SW would understand
a tatoo with a meet date or something and a advice to the world about a new era
would be more like his thinking.
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I'm not an expert on Japanese, and not fluent, but I don't think these quite work. The first one, though nakama can translate in English to circle of friends, the term circle of friends isn't really a term that's used in Japanese. So unless the SH are translating an English phrase involving a circle into Japanese, then I doubt they'd end up at "nakama." Seems like a stretch.
Then with going from juuroku to tsuyoku the issue is that they don't really sound all the much alike. ju and tsu are not that closely of related characters, nor are yo and ro. But the bigger issue is that they're not the same number of syllables. In Japanese, that second u in the juu is pronounced and considered it's own syllable (for example, if you were writing a haiku, juu would count as two syllables). Also, tsuyoi is the adjective and main word for strong. Changing the i to ku makes it an adverb. Most likely, you heard it as part of "tsusyoku naru" (become strong), which makes sense with what you are saying. But the thing about that is that form of the word would only be used as a part of a phrase. By itself, it would only be tsuyoi. It'd be like expecting someone to get to the word "strongly" in English – it just wouldn't be one's first instinct. So it just seems like too far of a stretch to expect the SHs to get from juuroku to tsuyoku.
But I do think you made a really good effort, and admire that you assumed that the message most like is in Japanese, which most people seem to be ignoring (the 2 Year crowds, for example).
Honestly I'm not excited about the time skip idea for the same reasons as I survived the buster call. I'd like to think that Luffy will go after them himself but then again Iva-chan did offer sanji a boat if he beat the… the... "Trying-to-cook-while-a-bunch-of-creepy-transvestites-try-to-dress-him-in-women's-clothing-challenge". But thanks for the compliment I just wanted to put a little more thought into it than simply looking at the tatoo =/
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And I was right the tattoo wasn't important
…how does that address what I said? It's still a horrible English abbreviation and it still can't be seen clearly (it looks like S-O-Omega-Y to me.) If the message were in the tattoo, everyone would have a different interpretation, like everyone here in the forums.
The tatto have nothing to do with the massage. Hell, could you even read it??
Sure it has a meaning but no way in hell it's a part of the whole massages.
@Mr.:
Keyword is "unlike" him not "something he hasn't done in recent times". And why does it have to be the tattoo? It's the whole action of what he's done in Marineford that makes it unlike Luffy.
And….what if the photographer had taken a picture of his left side, completely leaving his right side unexposed? If the tattoo were the message he would've put at least some effort into it rather than just standing there and hoping for the best. Besides, a tattoo would be an inconvenient way of transmitting a message to another person. It has to be something that involves what he did at Marineford.
We, seeing the the exact same picture, can't figure out if it's an S or a 3, an A or an O, a 2 or a Greek letter, and so forth. If the tattoo is the message, it's bad storytelling. There's no way the crew would all be able to understand what it says.
@Mr.:
Please don't go on about this tattoo business. It's more than likely not going to be about the tattoo since it's hardly visible and the reporters probably didn't take the time to write about some slight change in a pirate's body. The key is in something that has to due with Luffy acting unlike him as Rayleigh said.
But seriously, enough about the tattoo. :happy:
Oh and welcome!
@JERK:
…..Exactly.
So why would he put it in a tattoo message.
Practically a month has passed, why would he say "Hey guys let's not meet up three weeks ago".
@Mr.:
Can we please stop talking about the tattoo? It's not the message at all. The actions of what Luffy and co. did were the message. Rayleigh said it himself.
It's just funny. I guess I'm not surprised at all that the "tattoo" was the message. I wasn't sure but I didn't want to rule it out completely either. I don't know why some people were so against it. But to those of you who didn't want it to be the message, it's kind of funny because that's exactly what the Marines and everyone else but the Strawhats thought XD So I guess Ray's plan worked so well, it fooled some of the readers as well.
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I still don't think it was a great plot point. There's no way they could have predicted the angle the printed picture would be taken at (there were many reporters, so many pictures at many different angles had to have been taken) or guarantee that they'd be able to tell what it says.
It would bother me more, but I love the rest of the chapter enough to overlook it. And I suppose that's way over analyzing it, thinking of it as a real life scenario instead of a story.
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I've thought it more carefully, and I think on Luffy's tattoo it's written de following:
3D2Y
The first two are crossed out. I think it means "3 days", wich was something Luffy said at Shabondy:http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-511/page009.html
But now things have turned out very complicated, and since with just 3 days it would be impossible to survive The New World, he decided their meeting won't take place till 2 years later: 2Y
If it's something only the crew would understand, it can only be this.
Had to do it, hmmpf
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Had to do it, hmmpf
i shall b looking into your predictions a little closer from now on :wub:
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Had to do it, hmmpf
yeah i thought that none had predicted it :P
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congrats to everyone who predicted the tattoo correctly
though I do think getting a permanent (hopefully it's not) tattoo just for that type of message is a bit ridiculous… couldn't he have just painted it on?
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congrats to everyone who predicted the tattoo correctly
though I do think getting a permanent (hopefully it's not) tattoo just for that type of message is a bit ridiculous… couldn't he have just painted it on?
Not permanent:
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congrats to everyone who predicted the tattoo correctly
though I do think getting a permanent (hopefully it's not) tattoo just for that type of message is a bit ridiculous… couldn't he have just painted it on?
I don't think it's permanent. On some of the panels you can see both Luffy's arms without a tattoo, so unless Oda made a mistake, it was probably just painted on his arm.
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Do you guys think this thread should be closed already?, since it's been revealed or something.
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Lol, yeah good job for those who figured it out. I admit I was wrong on it not being 3D2Y but I knew the message was in the tattoo. Yeah, this thread should be closed. All it can be used for now is bragging rights and/or ill feelings. :ninja:
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I really didn't think it'd be the tattoo either. I suppose I was thinking about it too much from a realistic perspective with the whole "how can he rely on the cameras capturing it well enough?" and that it was a bit difficult to make out from the angle that was captured too.
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As much as I disliked the tattoo message idea, I'm really glad that the tattoo wasn't to honor Ace and Sabo. It would have been unbelievably lame when Sabo comes back.
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I feel sorry for the people who are pissed that the tattoo was really the message.
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At least it wasn't a tattoo.
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anyone not see the point of this training arc…If Luffy is not a notch above the rest of the supernovas after he is done with his training than he might as well have just traversed the new world like the rest of em.
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@Green:
anyone not see the point of this training arc…If Luffy is not a notch above the rest of the supernovas after he is done with his training than he might as well have just traversed the new world like the rest of em.
What you're saying implies that you think Luffy learning how to control the ability that will let him fight characters that will remain prevalent throughout the second half of the series such as Smoker and Aokiji is a waste. Furthermore, rather than just focusing on Luffy, consider that the entire crew is going to get a buff, most of them also gaining knowledge that will allow them to aid the crew as a whole more effectively(Sanji's new recipes, Franky improving Sunny, Chopper's new medicine, Nami's new knowledge of NW weather, etc). These are improvements that wouldn't have been made if they continued a more "normal" voyage(at least not to the same extent as them having their own characters outside the crew dynamic helping them will). Lastly, we don't even know if there will be a "training arc" yet.
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What you're saying implies that you think Luffy learning how to control the ability that lets him fight characters that will remain prevalent throughout the second half of the series such as Smoker and Aokiji is a waste. Furthermore, rather than just focusing on Luffy, consider that the entire crew is going to get a buff, most of them also gaining knowledge that will allow them to aid the crew as a whole more effectively(Sanji's new recipes, Franky improving Sunny, Choppers new medicine, Nami's new knowledge of NW weather, etc). These are improvements that wouldn't have been made if they continued a more "normal" voyage. Lastly, we don't even know if there will be a "training arc" yet.
You think Kidd and Law won't learn how to use haki without this training from Rayleigh? I highly doubt all the pirates who got haki took a 2 or more year break from pirating to learn how to use it. You act as if he couldn't have come up with reasons for these upgrades to happen without them staying ont heir isands.
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@Green Monkey: I'm not so narrow-minded as to think it's all about luffy
These are improvements that wouldn't have been made if they continued a more "normal" voyage(at least not to the same extent as them having their own characters outside the crew dynamic helping them will).
Consider that statement as it applies to the whole crew(Yes, I edited my first post a bit).
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This thread is a great read.
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@Green:
You think Kidd and Law won't learn how to use haki without this training from Rayleigh? I highly doubt all the pirates who got haki took a 2 or more year break from pirating to learn how to use it. You act as if he couldn't have come up with reasons for these upgrades to happen without them staying ont heir isands.
Hey look, another idiot who doesn't notice the other main benefits of a timeskip.
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@Green:
You think Kidd and Law won't learn how to use haki without this training from Rayleigh? I highly doubt all the pirates who got haki took a 2 or more year break from pirating to learn how to use it. You act as if he couldn't have come up with reasons for these upgrades to happen without them staying ont heir isands.
Let's see, Nami wouldn't find the weather ball with out Weatheria, Franky wouldn't have found Vegapunk's lab, Chopper wouldn't have found the place filled with Medical Knowledge, Sanji wouldn't discover the 99 recipes, Robin wouldn't meet up with the Revloutionaries (at least this soon), Zoro wouldn't have decided to train under Mihawk, and Ussop wouldn't have gotten fat and needed to train to lose weight. So yeah, they would have discovered their potential upgrades on their own. :getlost: Brook is the only one I don't get, but I'm assuming he is going to be a famous pirate musician (purely speculation)
Yeah, but the New World is a whole different battle field, and the way the crew got butt-raped at Shanbony shows they needed training. And after Luffy in the war got completely outclassed, the need training.
Rayleigh also stated that 2 years would only beat the basics into Luffy, and he would have to strengthen the rest on his own. Currently Luffy knows little about any of the Haki. Only thing he really has any strength in is the Color of the King, which is uncontrollable.
And while I doubt many pirates do take time out to train for a few years, Shanks was on a crew where he would most likely be able to be trained in power of haki and wasn't just a complete greenhorn whom left his little island one day to become a pirate captain.
If Luffy had previous training in haki, then he wouldn't need any training, but if he decided to just go into the new world in his state, he would be killed and the manga would end.
In the end, the timeskip will benefit the crew making them able to have interesting fight scenes, instead of fight scenes where they are raped by higher class individuals.
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@Green:
You think Kidd and Law won't learn how to use haki without this training from Rayleigh? I highly doubt all the pirates who got haki took a 2 or more year break from pirating to learn how to use it. You act as if he couldn't have come up with reasons for these upgrades to happen without them staying ont heir isands.
Because you think Kidd and Law will be top-tier without the Timeskip. Kidd and the other SN in the New World won't become PK, and do you know why? Because they are not strong enough.
Of course, Luffy and the SH could get stronger if they decide to go to the NW now, but considering the danger of this sea. it is likely that some SH die in the process. Luffy wants to be PK but not at all cost. He values a lot his crewmate's life. By training before going to the New World, he increases a lot their chance of survival when they will be there.
