Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)

kagehisa

he just wanted to make Water 7 be able to float up/down with the tide. I doubt it will be movable like Triller Bark.

I really like the Water 7 theory

WarshipArc

@kagehisa:

he just wanted to make Water 7 be able to float up/down with the tide. I doubt it will be movable like Triller Bark.

Like I said, a boat.
And that would mean that all the submerged land would have to come up to the surface.

Megadoomer

@Bobjr:

I just want to ask how hard is it to avoid a mountain? It's not like they sneak up on people.

brennen.exe

It took 10 years to build the sea train, 14 including the additional tracks; what makes you think Iceburg could make the place float in two?

WarshipArc

@brennen.exe:

It took 10 years to build the sea train, 14 including the additional tracks; what makes you think Iceburg could make the place float in two?

That's actually a very good point, but wasn't it just Tom, Franky, and Iceburg working on it?
With the resourses and public support at Iceburgs disposal I would think it would be possible.

Mr. Sandman

@brennen.exe:

It took 10 years to build the sea train, 14 including the additional tracks; what makes you think Iceburg could make the place float in two?

Because he's freakin' iceburg. And because he's got the whole galley-La association.

In all seriousness though, I think Iceburg needs to meet up with Den which is why I support the idea of Fishmen migrating to Water 7 if their island is destroyed.

RomanceDawn

I believe it was Urouge who said it pages ago, something along the lines of "Jimbe is all weaknesses." With that being said I wonder what in the world could his dream possibly be and how could joining the Straw Hats help him achieve that?

What ever Robyn and Neptune have to reveal about the past could potentially set Jimbe off with a new goal. I could see Robin discovering something that tells Jimbe the root of the issue is the WG, and maybe he wants to tople it completely. Though a big problem with that is that the 5 Elders seemed to genuinely care about Fishman and human relations.

I mean Jimbe so far just seems to be incapable of dealing with the problems of his people. By being directly involved with the Pirate King and to another extent Robin, I think he could come to a conclusion that with these people he can change the world.

Deicide

@RomanceDawn:

I believe it was Urouge who said it pages ago, something along the lines of "Jimbe is all weaknesses." With that being said I wonder what in the world could his dream possibly be and how could joining the Straw Hats help him achieve that?

This is the big question mark floating over my head. Once the story answers it, I'll be on the Jinbe bandwagon. For now I doubt it, but can't deny the story seems to be going that way.

Dan Dangerously

@Urouge:

We've been told otherwise pretty specifically.

Speaking of which, the latest databook used some pretty vague and open ended language in regards to crew size, right? Nothing that implied any sport of limit. So why still use "Last two nakamates", so matter of factly?

Halfmetal-lich

I'm waiting until he has a conversation with the Queen.

Shift

@Dan:

Speaking of which, the latest databook used some pretty vague and open ended language in regards to crew size, right? Nothing that implied any sport of limit. So why still use "Last two nakamates", so matter of factly?

Oda wrote Luffy saying he specifically wants 10 people. Should Jimbei join, he'd technically be the 9th, with one more being the 10th and possibly last. That's as far as we've got to officially go on; doesn't mean more can't join, per se, but it seems pretty reasonable unless he gets his own fleet of recruits or something before the end.

Dan Dangerously

@Shift:

Oda wrote Luffy saying he specifically wants 10 people. Should Jimbei join, he'd technically be the 9th, with one more being the 10th and possibly last. That's as far as we've got to officially go on; doesn't mean more can't join, per se, but it seems pretty reasonable unless he gets his own fleet of recruits or something before the end.

I know what Luffy said, but that was more than a decade ago. And it was through a character. Now, we have the author himself in recent times using much less confining language. Should that not overrule what Luffy said in any speculation?

And there really is nothing known officially. That's basically my point.

Deicide

@Halfmetal-lich:

I'm waiting until he has a conversation with the Queen.

Hello there, old chum! :happy:

How you doing these days?

@Dan:

I know what Luffy said, but that was more than a decade ago. And it was through a character. Now, we have the author himself in recent times using much less confining language. Should that not overrule what Luffy said in any speculation?

And there really is nothing known officially. That's basically my point.

If I remember correctly, the Databook said that "there would be at least one more member", which implied we would get more. Since most people agree it will be two more, I don't think the databook contradicts that.

Jeff

I refuse to hop right on the Jinbe train simply because of those coins. As of now his characterization and the flashback do not make him SH material. Unless Oda really stabilizes this flashback and puts Jinbe directly in the middle of everything, I still don't think that's going to change.

Zkaiser

I like the argument someone made that points out, so far, someone joins the crew in the arc that they debuted in.

Shift

The chapter will be out today or tomorrow, and it'll be the last before Golden Week; let's save the continued quarrels until then, shall we?

Dan Dangerously

@Deicide:

If I remember correctly, the Databook said that "there would be at least one more member", which implied we would get more. Since most people agree it will be two more, I don't think the databook contradicts that.

The language that i remember off the top of my head is "his (Luffy's) ideal crew is over 10 members!!" and "At least one more to join in the New World?!"

Now that doesn't contradict that there will be two more, but it also certainly doesn't confirm exactly two more, and it DOES contradict what Luffy originally said. So just assuming two more (or one more or three more) at this point seems like quite a leap to me.

bluntzilla

@Zkaiser:

I like the argument someone made that points out, so far, someone joins the crew in the arc that they debuted in.

Nami. Robin.

It's been established that the only real qualifications for strawhatdom are:
You provide a unique/interesting personality.
You have a distinct and useful role (not necessarily occupation).
You have a dream.
You have a (tragic) flashback.

From both a literary and trope standpoint, these are the big ones.

I think that's everything that has been a key element of joining. The only thing Jinbe lacks at this moment in time is a dream.

Deicide

@Zkaiser:

I like the argument someone made that points out, so far, someone joins the crew in the arc that they debuted in.

Those kinds of arguments based on "story patterns" are terrible. Each character joined in a unique way.

Dan Dangerously

Jinbe doesn't seem like a big dreamer to me. Could something as relatively humble as service to Luffy, Nami and the Straw Hats out of guilt for Arlong and duty to Ace serve as his "dream"?

Shift

@Dan:

Jinbe doesn't seem like a big dreamer to me. Could something as relatively humble as service to Luffy, Nami and the Straw Hats out of guilt for Arlong and duty to Ace serve as his "dream"?

16 Nos, nadas and neins.

Zkaiser

@Deicide:

Those kinds of arguments based on "story patterns" are terrible. Each character joined in a unique way.

lol Every theory in this thread is based off of "story patterns."

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@bluntzilla:

Nami. Robin.

It's been established that the only real qualifications for strawhatdom are:
You provide a unique/interesting personality.
You have a distinct and useful role (not necessarily occupation).
You have a dream.
You have a (tragic) flashback.

From both a literary and trope standpoint, these are the big ones.

I think that's everything that has been a key element of joining. The only thing Jinbe lacks at this moment in time is a dream.

Nami and Robin joined the crew in the arc they debuted in (although Robin was cutting it close). If you want to go with that logic, Usopp didn't join until the end of Water 7.

KaizokuOLuffy

The "Mugiwara Pirates VS CP9" color spread was published before Franky joined them, correct?

Robby

So, Robin joined after Whisky Peak? Or in Little Garden? Or was it during Drum?

bluntzilla

@Zkaiser:

Nami and Robin joined the crew in the arc they debuted in (although Robin was cutting it close). If you want to go with that logic, Usopp didn't join until the end of Water 7.

How is Robin "cutting it close" when Nami isn't. I'd argue Robin is more debatable. She followed the strawhats around without any malice. Meanwhile Nami appeared pre-Arlong then joined after Arlong. She was part of 2 "arcs" in between that that had completely segregated stories even if they were mildly intertwined by the theme of one region of the sea.

Usopp joined and officially stated "I'm leaving the crew". He considered himself a strawhat. Robin and Nami never considered themselves strawhats until being saved. The ambiguity and argument over this whole situation is enough to shatter the argument anyway. There is no clean answer to this while the four bulletpoints I listed have been 100% and inarguable.

Robby

I noticed that so far, every crew member has joined within the first 60 volumes of the series.

This is an undeniable pattern that can't be broken.

Zkaiser

@RobbyBevard:

So, Robin joined after Whisky Peak? Or in Little Garden? Or was it during Drum?

You got me. She had 1 scene at the end of Whiskey Peak.

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@RobbyBevard:

I noticed that so far, every crew member has joined within the first 60 volumes of the series.

This is an undeniable pattern that can't be broken.

I have also noticed that every non potential crewmate isn't a member of the crew. Fact.

Robby

What about Vivi and Carue? They aren't traveling with the crew, but they are officially strawhats. They even get included in the strawhat "playing with animals" cover pages every single time.

Zkaiser

@bluntzilla:

There is no clean answer to this while the four bulletpoints I listed have been 100% and inarguable.

@bluntzilla:

It's been established that the only real qualifications for strawhatdom are:
You provide a unique/interesting personality.
You have a distinct and useful role (not necessarily occupation).
You have a dream.
You have a (tragic) flashback.
From both a literary and trope standpoint, these are the big ones.

I think that's everything that has been a key element of joining. The only thing Jinbe lacks at this moment in time is a dream.

Those two are your necessities and you're a Jimbe supporter?

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@RobbyBevard:

What about Vivi and Carue? They aren't traveling with the crew, but they are officially strawhats. They even get included in the strawhat "playing with animals" cover pages every single time.

What about them?

Robby

Do they count as non potential crewmates? Or as members of the crew? Or potential crewmates that will never join? They're kind of a wierd limbo pattern breaker.

Zkaiser

You said it yourself, they are members of the crew. Since they aren't traveling members they are exempt from standard criteria since they aren't standard members.

bluntzilla

@Zkaiser:

Those two are your necessities and you're a Jimbe supporter?

I'm not 100% on Jinbe, but he has a poorly developed (thusfar) but different personality (stoic, strong emotional reaction). You can tell that he is different from Zoro and Robin in his seriousness. His role is simple: He can rescue DF users, swim worth a damn and can fight using water based abilities. I cannot think of a strong social role he would play, but physically he would be amazing insurance and be able to go places that most Strawhats cannot. The series takes place on an ocean and no one has any strengths, abilities or uses regarding the most common thing they see: water. While this role can be filled by ANY fishman or merman/maid, Jinbe stands the hgihest chance.

The dream is the dealbreaker. Role is iffy but plausible. Personality is there. He has it, we need to see more of him in a place and arc that has a focus other than what we saw before (a world changing war with luffy/ace as the center focus is a very bad focal point for developing a side character's personality).

Zkaiser

@bluntzilla:

I'm not 100% on Jinbe, but he has a poorly developed (thusfar) but different personality (stoic, strong emotional reaction). You can tell that he is different from Zoro and Robin in his seriousness thusfar. His role is simple: He can rescue DF users, swim worth a damn and can fight using water based abilities. I cannot think of a strong social role he would play, but physically he would be amazing insurance and be able to go places that most Strawhats cannot. The series takes place on an ocean and no one has any strengths, abilities or uses regarding the most common thing they see: water. While this role can be filled by ANY fishman or merman/maid, Jinbe stands the hgihest chance.

The dream is the dealbreaker. Role is iffy but plausible. Personality is there. He has it, we need to see more of him in a place and arc that has a focus other than what we saw before (a world changing war with luffy/ace as the center focus is a very bad focal point for developing a side character's personality).

That's solid reasoning. Continue being bluntzilla.

Baldulf

@RobbyBevard:

Do they count as non potential crewmates? Or as members of the crew? Or potential crewmates that will never join? They're kind of a wierd limbo pattern breaker.

Just friends.
It was an impossible love since the beginning.

Just_Gabe

@Dan:

Jinbe doesn't seem like a big dreamer to me. Could something as relatively humble as service to Luffy, Nami and the Straw Hats out of guilt for Arlong and duty to Ace serve as his "dream"?

No.

And maybe if Jimbe was more of "I'll do [thing]…even if it costs me my life!" personality and were a gag in the OP series (like Brooke's "omg! it almost burned my eyes...even tho I don't have ones!", he would defenitely be a lot more SH-like.
Meanwhile, he's out of my book.

Main reason: you seem to forget this whole flashback is a lot more centered on Tiger and the conflict of the fishmen than in Jimbe's life which so far, is very far from being tragic. And a flashback where the center is not Jimbe is not something that falls in the pattern of a "tragic past" that directly conects it to some kind of dream.

I find it wierd that trolls haven't come saying stuff like "omg! Arlong's past! he's redeemable and will become nakama lololololol"

Satriya

I vote for HORDY JONES
The reasons are:
1. He is cool
2. Next generation of fishman. He is the future of fishman and merman. I don;t think the royal family is cool enough to stay as character :D
3. Ability to breath underwater.
4. He have a dark past

Lastly, I think Jinbei is too developed to join the crew, and if Luffy want him as his nakama, he should already enlist him.

RDarren

@Satriya:

I vote for HORDY JONES
The reasons are:
1. He is cool
2. Next generation of fishman. He is the future of fishman and merman. I don;t think the royal family is cool enough to stay as character :D
3. Ability to breath underwater.
4. He have a dark past

Lastly, I think Jinbei is too developed to join the crew, and if Luffy want him as his nakama, he should already enlist him.

Urouge

@Dan:

Speaking of which, the latest databook used some pretty vague and open ended language in regards to crew size, right? Nothing that implied any sport of limit. So why still use "Last two nakamates", so matter of factly?

I wasn't trying to claim it with 100% certainty, but it's the only final number that's ever been foreshadowed, and it's never been refuted. I'm sure that after Jinbe joins, the question of if there's one final crewmate left (or more/less) will be a part of the discussion.

In the end you'll just learn to accept that I'm right about these things. :ninja:

Deicide

@Zkaiser:

lol Every theory in this thread is based off of "story patterns."

I'm talking about metastory patterns, not in-story patterns.

The kind of patterns that are bullshit are things like: "the new crewmate must join in the arc they are introduced" or "the new crewmate must be young or bellow age X".

rubanga

I know the chances are extremely low and many don't want it to happen but my votes with Hodi Jones.

AtomicFruit

Well, Zoro's animal theme is a shark right? Hodi is a great white shark fishman , interesting tho since the 2 of them have alredy fought each other.

Kisoto

@Urouge:

We've been told otherwise pretty specifically.

Oh we have? I wasn't aware of that! Seems I'll have to change my opinion then…

Thanks for letting me know!

Mr. Sandman

Koala is the next nakama.

Shift

@Mr.:

Koala is the next nakama.

Not likely, biggest reason being he has nothing to do with the Straw Hats themselves, only Jinbe.

And yes, it's officially, unequivocally Jinbe now. Gonna miss the Jimbo nickname… ;P

Mr. Sandman

@Shift:

Not likely, biggest reason being he has nothing to do with the Straw Hats themselves, only Jinbe.

And yes, it's officially, unequivocally Jinbe now. Gonna miss the Jimbo nickname… ;P

Actually it's "she". Mangastream goofed.

Shift

@Mr.:

Actually it's "she". Mangastream goofed.

Ah, thank you. But the case still stands.

BatDan

I was browsing the NeoGAF manga thread and they brought up these gold coins.
Have the gold coins been discussed already?

Shift

@BatDan:

I was browsing the NeoGAF manga thread and they brought up these gold coins.
Have the gold coins been discussed already?

Yes. In short, they're no proof, but they show Jinbe looks mighty fine next to the other Straw Hats.

BatDan

@Shift:

Yes. In short, they're no proof, but they show Jinbe looks mighty fine next to the other Straw Hats.

Okay cool.
I noticed the silver & bronze characters were all important players in the war so… I don't know. I'll shut up.

MasterKingJC

@Satriya:

I vote for HORDY JONES
The reasons are:
1. He is cool
2. Next generation of fishman. He is the future of fishman and merman. I don;t think the royal family is cool enough to stay as character :D
3. Ability to breath underwater.
4. He have a dark past

Lastly, I think Jinbei is too developed to join the crew, and if Luffy want him as his nakama, he should already enlist him.