@JERK:
AND. THAT. IS. A. BIG. CONNECTION.
How big a connection is it really? Granted, Tiger will be an important figure who we can count on being referenced many times. I just don't think we need the whole story yet, and I don't expect to get it until towards the end of the arc.
@JERK:
What the fuck is this "freedom" you keep bringing up?
You know, just the story's main theme which has to do with living without regrets and fighting for your dreams. The same reason why I think Luffy will ultimately destroy FI, in order to force all the merfolk to face their fears and go out into the world.
@JERK:
And do you already forget? Do you forget that Fisher Tiger hated humans?
Did you forget that he treated all slaves equally? I don't ever recall hearing about him immitating the humans he hated in order to establish a base of power.
@JERK:
…..what?? What the hell logic is that? Of course he'd bring them up to illustrate what the problem is.. Are you saying he would just not tell them important things because of some stupid "i dont wanna associate em" shit.
We won't need the whole Fisher Tiger story in order to make sense of the events ten years ago, so we won't get it. You can expect to see what you want, but try not to be too dissapointed because I'm sure this flashback will be amazing regardless.
@JERK:
….what??
Are you...
You aren't.
There's no way you're actually saying Oda wont make a flashback really big because a character can't spend a lot of time talking. You aren't fucking serious.
I am saying that he wont combine a detailed accounting of Fisher Tiger's expliots with the events that took place a decade ago. This doesn't mean that I think Fisher Tiger will be some kind of taboo subject to be kept secret for later. Clearly there will be plenty of reference to him and we are likely going to get some type of preview of him at least.
@JERK:
AND SO IS FISHER TIGER.
Look at what the chapter fucking ended on for fucks sake! The emblem of the Pirates of the Sun! How much more clear can Oda make it?
Tiger wasn't leading the crew eleven years ago though was he?
The legend of Fisher Tiger starts before the formation of the crew, the very fact that we're looking at an established pirate flag makes me think he's probably not around anymore.
@JERK:
At this point you really must be going only on pride, because it's obviously not that you have any real reason to think you're right.
If you say so. I've heard pride comes before the fall but I wonder which one of us is more guilty?
@JERK:
And it will remain a small ass subplot, a detail possibly enraging the island against humans again or something like that.
It won't launch some boring slave rescue story that we just had at Shabondy.
I didn't say it would, I said that it would be incidental to whatever kind of opponent Luffy fights, but they will likely be found in the vicinity of the main villan.
@JERK:
It's not internal! Why do you think the NFP want to take over! They don't just want power, they have ideals they want to empower!
Ultimately it has consequences that are farther reaching, but the conflict itself to this point is an internal power struggle. Now that three of the strawhats have been captured though I guess Luffy has more than enough reason to poke his nose in. Who he ends up fighting once that happens though is still up in the air.
@JERK:
My fucking god…
The thing that has them against eachother is their fundamental disagreement about dealing with the racism against the historical ingrained above water peoples.
I'm not debating this, but I also have no doubt that someone is pouring oil all over this issue for some reason.
@JERK:
It's possible they would start then, but expect in-flashback flashbacks at the least. It's been done.
The only examples of that I can think of off hand are from Robin's flashback. They are three or four page windows into events which relate directly to what's going on in the main flashback and give some depth to flashback only characters like Olivia. I would consider this kind of thing quite likely in the coming flashback. What I don't expect is the full tale of Fisher Tiger and his expliots, which I know we both think is coming sooner or later.
In any case this discussion really isn't suited to the next nakama thread, so if you want to continue I suggest we take it to the FI thread. If you want to continue berating my ideas in here though you can wait a little while for me to post something else, something that you're bound to find even more reprehensible than my thoughts on the coming flashback, something which actually belongs in here.