Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
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Mr. 3 could have stolen the uniform of one of the guys who was knocked off the platform by Crocodile; everybody in the area would have been paying attention to the plaza and not the area directly behind the scaffolding, which is where the two guards landed. If he dragged the guy into the stairwell or if the guard fell there in the first place, Galdino would easily have had a place to exchange clothes without anybody noticing.
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Yup. The original executioners fell. Replacements went up. Oda didn't pull a Kubo. And the reason listed above is true; Mr. 3 himself states it was his way of paying back Bon-chan. He likely planned to do something to the other executioner at the last minute.
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Sh Crew Needs One More Female Member!!!!!!
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Well, now is my turn.
-Oda skipping Masterson because of chapter 100 was disappointing.
-Shanks ending the war abruptly was disappointing. That was anti-climax and deus ex machina for the falling action. In the slightest sense of criticism, it is too simple of a method to solve the conflict. Using the third party to intervene so easily was obviously not a brilliant move. The WB war, however, is not supposed to the last and largest war in One Piece, so it's excusable. Oda had to hold back. -
Also if Shanks didn't step in just then, considering the way thing were going there'd be a noticable lack of pirates in the new world. As it is Luffy now has acquaintances in the New World, if not allies.
Also, there's the question of how much unholy vengeance Luffy would wreak upon the world if he finds out they put Ace's head on a pike and are parading it around. While his grandfather is there.
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Also if Shanks didn't step in just then, considering the way thing were going there'd be a noticable lack of pirates in the new world. As it is Luffy now has acquaintances in the New World, if not allies.
Also, there's the question of how much unholy vengeance Luffy would wreak upon the world if he finds out they put Ace's head on a pike and are parading it around. While his grandfather is there.
The problem is Shanks only ended the war by talking. Oda could have let him do something more.
For example, letting Shanks pull a gamble or a bet or game, win, then force the two sides to end. Or organize a little match, win, then end the war.
The WB side lost their pop and Ace, normally they should have been boiled with anger and hatred, and wouldn't have let this war end easily. They looked really pathetic running away hopelessly for their lives like that, like they had not prepared for the situation both Ace and WB would die.
The situation could be a perfect twist. They would lose face if they ran, they would die if they fought. Shanks could have done something witty to end the war yet manage to save their face. Instead, he just came and said:"Stop or I kick your ass."
I am not doing his job, but I think Oda could have done more. Like I said, it was too simple of a method.
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@Sea:This wasn't about whether or not Shanks ending the war by talking was logical. It might be. But ending that way took away the excitement of the previous chapters, when the intense reached climax. That's why is's anticlimax.
@Sea:
LOL, just because you are incapable of coming up with something cool, doesn't mean it's a stupid idea.
For example:
BB: This is my age, Shanks. Even you can't stop me!Akainu: Die you criminals! A true justice officer can't restrain from fulfilling his duty just because a filthy criminal asks him to.
Marco: An eye for eye, I will kill at least one Admiral before I die to revenge pop and Ace! Don't stop me Shanks!
Shanks: I know this feud is none of my business, and as a Pirate I have no reason to intervene…blah...blah...but this war has caused many deaths. I am no do-gooder, but it's against both justice and compassion for your comrades to continue the killing. Plus, the only winner if you guys fight to death is BB. He is responsible for this bloody incident in the first place. Don't let him get what he want with his conspiracy...blah blah...So, we all see BB as the common enemy. Let us postpone this steer and join hand to deal with him first. Sengoku+Marco+Shanks fight BB off. He quickly flees. This co-operation calms both sides. Now, unless you want me to commit massacre here, each side send a Representative to duel Mano a Mano (like Aokiji vs Luffy before). We should handle this conflict in such way that would cause least damage. Marines send Akainu, Pirates send Marco. If Akainu wins, I will (behead 5 pirate captains and) promise to not commit piracy in 2 years, in exchange you let the rest go. If Marco wins, I will help WB pirates revenge BB and in exchange, Marco must delay his revenge with Marine and leave this place. Akainu lost an eye, Marco lost a finger each hand. It comes off as a draw. Both sides leave the battle field peacefully
Something like that.
I am not the best story-teller. Oda could do better.@Sea:
Yes this is a war. Both side fought for their own cause.
Marines: Justice.
WB Pirates: Revenge.
A deal can be made so that both can achieve their cause in a least damaged way.This way, if Akainu wins the Marines can kill off some infamous criminals and make an incredibly infamous criminal off business with least damage of their side. If Marco wins they can have Shanks to help them revenge BB, who is the true one they need to avenge, with less damage of their side.
Shanks still shows great influence. Yet both side don't look pathetic for following his order. Whoever wins, peace is attained.@Sea:
But by winning Marco can kill or at least wound Akainu and gain Shanks's help to avenge BB. Read my post again.
By your logic BB won Thatch so even if Ace avenge him Thatch is still dead.@Sea:
A. That's where the excitement and intense is. The responsibility is in his shoulder, as the 1st commander. He would be a more useful character that way. Marco in general was a disappointing character. Plus Akainu or Sengoku probably was wounded while he can heal himself. He at least tied with Kizaru.
B. Shanks shouldn't be a do-gooder and help WB pirates. He is a pirate. A fucking pirate. Tied by that condition he gave, he would have more official reason to help them and fight BB.
C. No, pirates aren't allies of each other. But by doing so, he reduce the killing. Not for the sake of Marines alone. That was his reason to come to the war: to reduce the killing. He persuade the Marines to reduce the killing that way is more convincing.
How the hell are pirates allies with each other? Shanks himself said he was WB's enemy but respected him the way Sengoku did.To save face for both WB pirate and Marines (Oda should totally save his characters' faces). Shanks spit into their faces by looking like a fucking boss.
@Sea:
Like I said, Oda should do that to make both sides look less pathetic. He sacrificed WB pirates and Marines to make Shanks alone look cool.
Shanks can have reason: I respect WB so I should do something to save the name of his crew.That's mere speculation. Nobody would call Oda irrational for letting a healing Marco tie with wounded Akainu. Marco is strong enough to justify that choice.
The competition is not that unusual in Japanese culture. Especially regarding samurai's honor. -
Think of it like this:
-For the Marines, they just barely were able to win, if they challenged Shanks, they have what remains of the Whitebeards, Shanks's crew and any potential allies hidden under the sea just in case, and the Blackbeards. Not good odds.
-For Blackbeard, if he challenged Shanks, they'd have the Marines, and the above on them. Also not good odds.
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@Sea:
The problem is Shanks only ended the war by talking. Oda could have let him do something more.
This is Red Hair we're talking about, the guy only needs to speak. He has THAT much influence. That's one of the things I found coolest about that scene, seeing how much influence the yonkou really have on both pirates and marines.
Also, you might be missing the point Coby was trying to make that at a certain point a war just goes out of control without a reason or purpose. It'd be stupid for Shanks to defend Coby's point and then get himself in a fight to prove that the fighting is over. -
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@S.C.:
Think of it like this:
-For the Marines, they just barely were able to win, if they challenged Shanks, they have what remains of the Whitebeards, Shanks's crew and any potential allies hidden under the sea just in case, and the Blackbeards. Not good odds.
-For Blackbeard, if he challenged Shanks, they'd have the Marines, and the above on them. Also not good odds.
This is Red Hair we're talking about, the guy only needs to speak. He has THAT much influence. That's one of the things I found coolest about that scene, seeing how much influence the yonkou really have on both pirates and marines.
Also, you might be missing the point Coby was trying to make that at a certain point a war just goes out of control without a reason or purpose. It'd be stupid for Shanks to defend Coby's point and then get himself in a fight to prove that the fighting is over.I wasn't saying he needed to fight. He could organize a little game. Or duel between a certain Naval soldier and a WB Pirate.
This wasn't about whether or not Shanks ending the war by talking was logical. It might be. But ending that way took away the excitement of the previous chapters, when the intense reached climax. That's why is's anticlimax. -
The only disappointment I have is that it didn't end before I started reading, so I could read all in one go!
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@Sea:
I wasn't saying he needed to fight. He could organize a little game.
Shanks: "Hey guys, I know a major battle just took place here, but I got an idea that will appease all parties involved to save face!".
Marco/Blackbeard/Sengoku: What is it?
Shanks: Three-way Dodgeball! Marco, Blackbeard and Sengoku, pick five of your best men. Winner of the game wins the war.A little story to show how mindnumingly stupid that idea is.
This wasn't about whether or not Shanks ending the war by talking was logical. It might be. But ending that way took away the excitement of the previous chapters, when the intense reached climax. That's why is's anticlimax.
Without Shanks, the war would have ended with Blackbeard destroying Marineford, wich would have made Luffy's message impossible to do, or the Marines drive off or kill both 'beards crew, which also wouldn't work.
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@S.C.:
Shanks: "Hey guys, I know a major battle just took place here, but I got an idea that will appease all parties involved to save face!".
Marco/Blackbeard/Sengoku: What is it?
Shanks: Three-way Dodgeball! Marco, Blackbeard and Sengoku, pick five of your best men. Winner of the game wins the war.A little story to show how mindnumingly stupid that idea is.
LOL, just because you are incapable of coming up with something cool, doesn't mean it's a stupid idea.
For example:
BB: This is my age, Shanks. Even you can't stop me!Akainu: Die you criminals! A true justice officer can't restrain from fulfilling his duty just because a filthy criminal asks him to.
Marco: An eye for eye, I will kill at least one Admiral before I die to revenge pop and Ace! Don't stop me Shanks!
Shanks: I know this feud is none of my business, and as a Pirate I have no reason to intervene…blah...blah...but this war has caused many deaths. I am no do-gooder, but it's against both justice and compassion for your comrades to continue the killing. Plus, the only winner if you guys fight to death is BB. He is responsible for this bloody incident in the first place. Don't let him get what he want with his conspiracy...blah blah...So, we all see BB as the common enemy. Let us postpone this steer and join hand to deal with him first. Sengoku+Marco+Shanks fight BB off. He quickly flees. This co-operation calms both sides. Now, unless you want me to commit massacre here, each side send a Representative to duel Mano a Mano (like Aokiji vs Luffy before). We should handle this conflict in such way that would cause least damage. Marines send Akainu, Pirates send Marco. If Akainu wins, I will (behead 5 pirate captains and )promise to not commit piracy in 2 years, in exchange you let the rest go. If Marco wins, I will help WB pirates revenge BB and in exchange, Marco must delay his revenge with Marine and leave this place. Akainu lost an eye, Marco lost a finger each hand. It comes off as a draw. Both sides leave the battle field peacefully
Something like that.
I am not the best story-teller. Oda could do better. -
@Sea:
LOL, just because you can't think of something cool doesn't mean it's a stupid idea.
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I am not the best story-teller, Oda could do better.Hm… needs more DON. I was half asleep, and now, I'm three-quarters of the way there. (Of course, I couldn't reply with a witty enough reply...)
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shanks should've ended the war with a fucking intense game of chinese checkers
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@Sea:
Well, now is my turn.
-Oda skipping Masterson because of chapter 100 was disappointing.
-Shanks ending the war abruptly was disappointing. That was anti-climax and deus ex machina for the falling action. In the slightest sense of criticism, it is too simple of a method to solve the conflict. Using the third party to intervene so easily was obviously not a brilliant move. The WB war, however, is not supposed to the last and largest war in One Piece, so it's excusable. Oda had to hold back.What Oda did was spectacularly brilliant. He didn't drag out the end and showed the true power of a Yonkou. A Man ending such a massive conflict just with the threat of getting involved is a million times more creative and interesting t. Oda was mirroring the scene Jimbei talked about where WB made Fishman Isle peaceful just by claiming it his.
I wasn't saying he needed to fight. He could organize a little game.
This wasn't about whether or not Shanks ending the war by talking was logical. It might be. But ending that way took away the excitement of the previous chapters, when the intense reached climax. That's why is's anticlimax.The thing already went far beyond most climaxes. Most series would have ended with WB's death but it kept going with Luffy getting owned, WB pirates being cornered, Teach crew escalating the fighting, and more marines showing up. All this chaos and it ends abruptly just by one guy stepping up and calming telling them all to stop; all sides unanimously following his words.
I don't get what you mean by game? You mean you would have preferred if Shanks acted like a mediator and referee to some contest to decide the winner of the conflict like Yusuke at the end of YYH? That would have made absolutely no sense. Its a war, it ends when one side cannot fight any longer and is never fair.
Even in YYH Yusuke' idea only worked to prevent a war and wouldn't have gone so smoothly if half a dozen fighters on Mukuro&Yomi's level didn't show themselves getting Yomi pumped to prove himself in the contest.
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What Oda did was spectacularly brilliant. He didn't drag out the end and showed the true power of a Yonkou. A Man ending such a massive conflict just with the threat of getting involved is a million times more creative and interesting t. Oda was mirroring the scene Jimbei talked about where WB made Fishman Isle peaceful just by claiming it his.
The thing already went far beyond most climaxes. Most series would have ended with WB's death but it kept going with Luffy getting owned, WB pirates being cornered, Teach crew escalating the fighting, and more marines showing up. All this chaos and it ends abruptly just by one guy stepping up and calming telling them all to stop; all sides unanimously following his words.
I don't get what you mean by game? You mean you would have preferred if Shanks acted like a mediator and referee to some contest to decide the winner of the conflict like Yusuke at the end of YYH? That would have made absolutely no sense. Its a war, it ends when one side cannot fight any longer and is never fair.
Even in YYH Yusuke' idea only worked to prevent a war and wouldn't have gone so smoothly if half a dozen fighters on Mukuro&Yomi's level didn't show themselves getting Yomi pumped to prove himself in the contest.
Yes this is a war. Both side fought for their own cause.
Marines: Justice.
WB Pirates: Revenge.
A deal can be made so that both can achieve their cause in a least damaged way.Shanks: I know this feud is none of my business, and as a Pirate I have no reason to intervene…blah...blah...but this war has caused many deaths. I am no do-gooder, but it's against both justice and compassion for your comrades to continue the killing. Plus, the only winner if you guys fight to death is BB. He is responsible for this bloody incident in the first place. Don't let him get what he want with his conspiracy...blah blah...So, we all see BB as the common enemy. Let us postpone this steer and join hand to deal with him first. Sengoku+Marco+Shanks fight BB off. He quickly flees. This co-operation calms both sides. Now, unless you want me to commit massacre here, each side send a Representative to duel Mano a Mano (like Aokiji vs Luffy before). We should handle this conflict in such way that would cause least damage. Marines send Akainu, Pirates send Marco. If Akainu wins, I will( behead 5 pirate captains and) promise to not commit piracy in 2 years, in exchange you let the rest go. If Marco wins, I will help WB pirates revenge BB and in exchange, Marco must delay his revenge with Marine and leave this place. Akainu lost an eye, Marco lost a finger each hand. It comes off as a draw. Both sides leave the battle field peacefully
This way, if Akainu wins the Marines can kill off some infamous criminals and make an incredibly infamous criminal off business with least damage of their side. If Marco wins they can have Shanks to help them revenge BB, who is the true one they need to avenge, with less damage of their side.
Shanks still shows great influence. Yet both side don't look pathetic for following his order. Whoever wins, peace is attained. -
A duel would be pointless. Even if Marco cost Akainu an eye, that still doesn't change that Whitebeard and Ace are dead, the Marines won & Blackbeard got exactly what he wanted. What Shanks did was say the fight's over, some won, some lost, there's nothing left to achieve, just let it go. Which is usually how things like this end.
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@S.C.:
A duel would be pointless. Even if Marco cost Akainu an eye, that still doesn't change that Whitebeard and Ace are dead
But by winning Marco can kill or at least wound Akainu and gain Shanks's help to avenge BB. Read my post again.
By your logic BB won Thatch so even if Ace avenge him Thatch is still dead.. If Akainu wins, I will (behead 5 pirate captains and) promise to not commit piracy in 2 years, in exchange you let the rest go. If Marco wins, I will help WB pirates revenge BB and in exchange, Marco must delay his revenge with Marine and leave this place.
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@Sea:
But by winning Marco can kill Akainu and gain Shanks's help to avenge BB. Read my post again.
By your logic BB won Thatch so even if Ace avenge him Thatch is still dead.Except A. Marco probably couldn't, B. Shanks and BB are probably going to fight even if the Whitebeards are around or not post-timeskip, and C. Shanks doing this for something that doesn't really involve him like executing some of his allies for a group he doesn't even like is downright out of character.
Even so, the bigger question is why he would do all that if the Marines won, if he could just threaten them to stand down like he actually did?
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@S.C.:
Except A. Marco probably couldn't, B. Shanks and BB are probably going to fight even if the Whitebeards are around or not post-timeskip, and C. Shanks doing this for something that doesn't really involve him like executing some of his allies for a group he doesn't even like is downright out of character.
A. That's where the excitement and intense is. The responsibility is in his shoulder, as the 1st commander. He would be a more useful character that way. Marco in general was a disappointing character. Plus Akainu or Sengoku probably was wounded while he can heal himself. He at least tied with Kizaru.
B. Shanks shouldn't be a do-gooder and help WB pirates. He is a pirate. A fucking pirate. Tied by that condition he gave, he would have more official reason to help them and fight BB.
C. No, pirates aren't allies of each other. But by doing so, he reduce the killing. Not for the sake of Marines alone. That was his reason to come to the war: to reduce the killing. He persuade the Marines to reduce the killing that way is more convincing.
How the hell are pirates allies with each other? Shanks himself said he was WB's enemy but respected him the way Sengoku did.why he would do all that if the Marines won, if he could just threaten them to stand down like he actually did?
To save face for both WB pirate and Marines (Oda should totally save his characters' faces). Shanks spit into their faces by looking like a fucking boss.
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@Sea:
A. That's where the excitement is. The responsibility is in his shoulder, as the 1st commander. He would be a more useful character that way. Akainu or Sengoku probably was wounded.
B. Shanks shouldn't be a do-gooder and help WB pirates. He is a pirate. A fucking pirate. Tied by that condition, he would have more reason to fight BB.
C. No, pirates aren't ally of each other. But by doing so, he reduce the killing. Not for the sake of Marines alone. That was his reason to come to the war: to reduce the killing.In regards to Marco, he's at least strong enough to easily be a strong Shichibukai and at least compete against a Admiral, but none of his kicks really did that much damage to them.
With Shanks, if he's so piratey, why should he allow himself to stop his livelyhood for two years to the enemies of all for pirates because some guy he kind of knows lost a fight? And lastly, rather then making a silly competiton, just showing up saying "Hey, stop fighting, or me, my crew, and any potential allies of mine hiding under the sea to attack on my command will fight you" works better as it turns out Shanks is kind of a badass and both Sengoku and Blackbeard know that, and the risks of one fully fresh force of a Yonkou and a still pretty strong force of another against them.
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Like I said, Oda should do that to make both sides look less pathetic. He sacrificed WB pirates and Marines to make Shanks alone look cool.
Shanks can have reason: I respect WB so I should do something to save the name of his crew.In regards to Marco, he's at least strong enough to easily be a strong Shichibukai and at least compete against a Admiral, but none of his kicks really did that much damage to them.
That's mere speculation. Nobody would call Oda irrational for letting a healing Marco tie with wounded Akainu. Marco is strong enough to justify that choice.
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@Sea:
Like I said, Oda should do that to make both sides look less pathetic. He sacrificed WB pirates and Marines to make Shanks alone look cool.
Shanks can have reason: I respect WB so I should do something to save the name of his crew.Which he did. The Whitebeards lost big time. They lost the potential sucessor and the Captain that held it together, and due to their rage could have lost it all if Shanks didn't reel them back in. Whether they dissolve like the Roger Pirates or are defeated and scattered/killed by Blackbeard and co, it's to show the ending of one era and the start of a new, less pleasent one. That, and Marco didn't really show any leadership like Whitebeard did.
As for the Marines, they barely achieved their goal. If it wasn't for Ace's hot-headedness, he and the rest of the crew would have escaped. True, Whitebeard would have died anyways, but his time was short anyways. Taking on the remnats of them and a fully fresh force of another Yonkou is suicidial.
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I edited many of my posts so you should read them again.
@S.C.:Which he did.
They still looked absolutely pathetic when Shanks came and said :"Everyone stop or I kick your asses." Everyone followed his order like his bitches. That was what made them look pathetic. Sacrificing lots of characters to make Shanks alone look cool while you can still make him look cool and save face for other characters at the same time.
The moment they turn their tails and run away from the marines they were pathetic. In Japanese culture, death in battle can be considered more honorable than running away. When they came to Marineford they should be prepared they might die at any time, so at least die like the 300 Spartans.
WB is dead. No wound of retreating in his back. How honorable of a death. Yet some of his sons died in their way of fleeing (before Shanks came). What would they say about the marks of magma fist in their backs.Edit:
Whitebeard ordered them to leave the battlefield because he wanted them to survive in the new era.
That was before Ace's death if I remember correctly. To flee is to save Ace's life. But then after Ace's death they lost their purpose to come there. Wb's dead too.
Luffy is saved by Law, not them. The WB pirates looked even more pathetic because if they focused all their might to fight the Marines instead of fleeing to save their lives, some of them might have prevented Kizaru and let Law flee safely. But no, they had to use Benn Beckman's help. They couldn't even protect Luffy properly by themselves, couldn't fulfill the task WB gave them by their own strength, because they were fleeing. How pathetic is that?Saving Luffy's life was the last reason they fight. That was what they said when they faced Akainu. To send him to the new era. Even if they were to all die to protect Luffy, that would be their biggest accomplishment and they can die in honor. But no, if there was no Beckman, Marco would have let Luffy die. How could he face his father in heaven then?
"I won't forgive you if you let that kid die, Marco."-WB.If they managed to protect Luffy and let him flee safely, then even if they fleed after that, they still have excuse: "I sacrifice my own honor to keep my life so that I can continue to protect Luffy like Pop said. "
But no, they couldn't even do that. Because they were fleeing before assuring Luffy's safety. Pathetic.Beckman did buy time for the Submarine to go underwater, block it from Kizaru's eyesight so he couldn't shoot correctly with his super sniping skill.
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@Sea:
I edited many of my posts so you should read them again.
They still look absolutely pathetic when Shanks came and said :"Everyone stop or I kick your asses." Everyone followed his order like his bitches. That was what made them look pathetic. Sacrificing lots of characters to make Shanks alone look cool while you can still make him look cool and save face for other characters.
The moment they turn their tails and run away from the marines they were pathetic. In Japanese culture, death in battle can be considered more honorable than running away. When they came there they should prepared they might die, so at least die like the 300 Spartans.
WB is dead. No wound of retreating in his back. How honorable of a death. Yet some of his sons died in their way of fleeing (before Shanks came).That's all nice and dandy except you forget Whitebeard ordered them to leave the battlefield because he wanted them to survive in the new era.
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@S.C.:
That's all nice and dandy except you forget Whitebeard ordered them to leave the battlefield because he wanted them to survive in the new era.
That was before Ace's death if I remember correctly. To flee is to save Ace's life. But then after Ace's death they lost their purpose to come there. Wb's dead too.
Luffy is saved by Law, not them. The WB pirates looked even more pathetic because if they focused all their might to fight the Marines instead of fleeing to save their lives, some of them might have prevented Kizaru and let Law flee safely. But no, they had to use Benn Beckman's help. They couldn't even protect Luffy properly by themselves, couldn't fulfill the task WB gave them by their own strength, because they were fleeing. How pathetic is that? -
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That was before Ace's death if I remember correctly. To flee is to save Ace's life. But then after Ace's death they lost their purpose to come there. Wb's dead too.
Luffy is saved by Law, not them. The WB pirates looked even more pathetic because if they focused all their might to fight the Marines instead of fleeing to save their lives, some of them might have prevented Kizaru and let Law flee safely. But then they had to use Benn Beckman's help.Didn't matter if Ace lived or died, Whitebeard wanted all of his family to survive anyways. Even if they succeded, the process still involved getting back to the New World while the Marines still tried to attack them, but they showed their backs! How dishonerable, yadda yadda yadda. And Beckman did jack and shit. Yeah, the threat sounded cool, but then he just stood there when Kizaru laser'd the submarine.
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@S.C.:
Didn't matter if Ace lived or died, Whitebeard wanted all of his family to survive anyways. Even if they succeded, the process still involved getting back to the New World while the Marines still tried to attack them, but they showed their backs! How dishonerable, yadda yadda yadda. And Beckman did jack and shit. Yeah, the threat sounded cool, but then he just stood there when Kizaru laser'd the submarine.
Saving Luffy's life was the last reason they fight. That was what they said when they faced Akainu. To send him to the new era. Even if they were to all die to protect Luffy, that would be their biggest accomplishment and they can die in honor. But no, if there was no Beckman, Marco would have let Luffy die. How could he face his father in heaven then?
"I won't forgive you if you let that kid die, Marco."-WB.If they managed to protect Luffy and let him flee safely, then even if they fleed after that, they still have excuse: "I sacrifice my own honor to keep my life so that I can continue to protect Luffy like Pop said. " (the same applied for fleeing to protect Ace)
But no, they couldn't even do that. Because they were fleeing before assuring Luffy's safety. Pathetic.Beckman did buy time for the Submarine to go underwater, block it from Kizaru's eyesight so he couldn't shoot correctly with his super sniping skill.
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Well, like I said, Marco doesn't seem to have leadership qualities like Whitebeard did, and they probably aren't around post-time skip anyways.
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"Franky's new design."
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Well, like I said, Marco doesn't seem to have leadership qualities like Whitebeard did, and they probably aren't around post-time skip anyways.
That was no excuse to make Marco look absolutely pathetic. Oda could have made him a cooler character. Nothing wrong with what I suggested. Who in Earth would blame Oda for making Marco look cooler?
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@Sea:
That was no excuse to make Marco look pathetic. Oda could have made him a cooler character. Nothing wrong with what I suggested.
Marco showed several signs of incompetence earlier anyways. Like saying he didn't need to stop the executioners when Crocodile did it just as they were seconds from killing Ace, failing to see a freakin' spider-man come and cuff him, failing several times to actually guard Luffy when he needed it most, and failing to stop Akainu from killing Ace when he was a few feet away amongst others.
Hell, Vista came off as a more competent leader then him.
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Name of Kizaru's fruit
Pika Pika no miSounds like hes pikachu for gods sake this is one piece not pokemon
oda could have at least edited the name because pokemon is still popular in japan and it sounds like he had no creativity with that fruit
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@Sea
I think you forgot to read the chapter where Shanks avoids fighting the mountain bandits…He doesn't want to cause unnecessary bloodshed. Look at it from each person's perspective:
Sengoku: Knows he can't handle taking on Shanks' crew and the remains of WB's crew, and Teach's crew. He has no choice but to stand down.
BB: Already got everything he wanted. Why would he risk getting annihilated by the three very powerful forces that would all like his head?
WB crew: You already lost, WB said to get away and wanted as many of his children to live as possible. Shank's gives you an opportunity to get away, you'd want to take it. If you try taking on everyone that's still there, you'll most likely get finished off by someone because Shanks is NOT your ally, he just wants the pointless killing to stop. You take the opportunity to salvage your dead crew members.
Shanks: Wants WB's crew to get away, but more importantly to end the useless killing. Will attack and finish off the Marines or BBs if they try going after the WBs, but would likely not team up with the WBs if they refuse his offer because it would only lead to some of his crew members being put at risk for the sake of his enemy.
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@S.C.:
Marco showed several signs of incompetence earlier anyways. Like saying he didn't need to stop the executioners when Crocodile did it just as they were seconds from killing Ace, failing to see a freakin' spider-man come and cuff him, failing several times to actually guard Luffy when he needed it most, and failing to stop Akainu from killing Ace when he was a few feet away amongst others.
Hell, Vista came off as a more competent leader then him.
Marco was generally a disappointment about One Piece. Or at least, underwhelming. Yes, he is. I think that's something we can all agree. I however doubt that was Oda's intention to make him look pathetic. He could have saved Marco's character and giving a more satisfying ending for the war.
@Sea
I think you forgot to read the chapter where Shanks avoids fighting the mountain bandits…What I suggested was just my condition. Oda could have given other better conditions. Shanks being inactive for 2 years could be enough. He is a Yonkou after all.
The point is, Oda could have done better with his ability. Making Shanks look cool without sacrificing the face of the WB pirates and Marines.
If I can't write a better manga than Oda doesn't mean I can't criticize. That was Kubo's argument.
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Name of Kizaru's fruit
Pika Pika no miSounds like hes pikachu for gods sake this is one piece not pokemon
oda could have at least edited the name because pokemon is still popular in japan and it sounds like he had no creativity with that fruit
Pika Pika is a Japanese onomatopoeia for the glittering or shimmering of light. The sound existed long before Pokemon. I think it works fine and is probably one of the silliest things to get disappointed over.
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Name of Kizaru's fruit
Pika Pika no miSounds like hes pikachu for gods sake this is one piece not pokemon
oda could have at least edited the name because pokemon is still popular in japan and it sounds like he had no creativity with that fruit
Really? That's what you're disappointed in?? Really?!
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Yeah, the most disappointing thing was definitely Marco (and many of the other WB pirates/allies).
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@Sea:
Marco was generally a disappointment about One Piece. Yes, he is. I doubt that was Oda's intention to make him look pathetic. He could have saved Marco's character and giving a more satisfying ending for the war.
I don't know if pathetic is the right word. Marco's job wasn't to defend Luffy, WB's comment was more of a statement of approval than anything. If they had seriously wanted to protect Luffy, they would have slowed him down somehow. Also the Marco's cuffing was during his run back to Whitebeard, and right after he had stood up after being laser-ed the first time. So he obviously wasn't really looking out for anything. And as for the executioners, he was there the first time, and when he did actually go for it, Garp stopped him. Crocodile's long range made it easier so you can't really fault him for that. And lastly, Ace dying wasn't on him either as Ace turned back to Akainu, against orders. Generally I think Marco just had way to much stuff to deal with and was underwhelming as opposed to a complete disappointment.
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@Sea:
I think that's something we can all agree.
Y'know, based on the WB Pirates performance in the war, I've been thinking that as a crew they are probably weaker than their counterpart crews among the other Four Emperors. The only thing that really makes the WB Pirates so powerful and widely feared was Whitebeard himself. Whenever they're mentioned in the manga, it's always brought up about how you don't want to anger Whitebeard. Never a hint of the crew as a whole being strong or widely feared, just that Whitebeard was the man closest to One Piece and the so-called strongest man in the world.
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About the end of the war…
Just doing a real life example:
USA fights Iraque, under the purpose of finding nuclear weapons...
They go there, fight lots of people are lost...
But even after knowing there are no nuclear weapons the fight continues...
(I know its about oil... but lets just assume this were the real reasons)
Now USA has good military strength, but has already accomplished his objective...
Iraque has no ways to fight and is tottally devastated...If Russia sent an ultimatum like "STOP THE WAR OR I'LL LUNCH FUCKIN' NUCLEAR BOMBS TO THE LOTS OF YOU"... wouldn't they stop? Do you think they'd lose face because they stopped?
I don't think so...Now it would be non-sense if shanks arrived and purposed some childish game, if he could stop the war with mere words...
Now it would be funnier if he said "I CAME TO STOP THE WAR, LETS TURN THIS, INTO A SUPER DAVY BACK FIGHT!"... but then we would still be in the War arc... And I would still be missing my beloved straw hats! -
I don't know if pathetic is the right word. Marco's job wasn't to defend Luffy, WB's comment was more of a statement of approval than anything. If they had seriously wanted to protect Luffy, they would have slowed him down somehow. Also the Marco's cuffing was during his run back to Whitebeard, and right after he had stood up after being laser-ed the first time. So he obviously wasn't really looking out for anything. And as for the executioners, he was there the first time, and when he did actually go for it, Garp stopped him. Crocodile's long range made it easier so you can't really fault him for that. And lastly, Ace dying wasn't on him either as Ace turned back to Akainu, against orders. Generally I think Marco just had way to much stuff to deal with and was underwhelming as opposed to a complete disappointment.
Well, we expected him to accomplish something worthy with his super cool ability. But he didn't. The excuse may be logical, but the fact still is he didn't.
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@gotta<3OP:
About the end of the war…
Just doing a real life example:
USA fights Iraque, under the purpose of finding nuclear weapons...
They go there, fight lots of people are lost...
But even after knowing there are no nuclear weapons the fight continues...
(I know its about oil... but lets just assume this were the real reasons)
Now USA has good military strength, but has already accomplished his objective...
Iraque has no ways to fight and is tottally devastated...If Russia sent an ultimatum like "STOP THE WAR OR I'LL LUNCH FUCKIN' NUCLEAR BOMBS TO THE LOTS OF YOU"... wouldn't they stop? Do you think they'd lose face because they stopped?
I don't think so...Now it would be non-sense if shanks arrived and purposed some childish game, if he could stop the war with mere words...
Now it would be funnier if he said "I CAME TO STOP THE WAR, LETS TURN THIS, INTO A SUPER DAVY BACK FIGHT!"... but then we would still be in the War arc... And I would still be missing my beloved straw hats!If you watch people kill each other in real life it would be terrifying. But it's different when you watch that in manga. Or some story type.
It's manga we are talking about. Story-telling technique wise, the powerful feeling of the climax should be handled carefully. An anti-climax is where something which would appear to be difficult to solve in a plot is solved through something trivial. For example, destroying a heavily guarded facility would require advanced technology, teamwork and weaponry for a climax, but in an anti-climax, it may just consist of pushing a red button which says "Emergency Self-Destruct", or even more so, simply filling out an eviction notice and destroying the building. Another example could involve the protagonist faced with insurmountable odds and ultimately being killed without even nearly accomplishing their goal.Oda handled the climax too simply. Calling out a strong third party to solve it with words. Not much different from press the "War-stopping" button.
The Marines are cops. They are after criminals. This is not like political conflicts like USA vs Iraq (neither of them was really justified, we all know the US just wanted oil). Shanks is like a mafia boss. A powerful one that cops fear. What does that make cops look like?
We just need 2 or 3 more chapters to end the war.By your definition, most of duels between Samurai or Cowboys are childish too. Who the hell waste their lives for something so ridiculous like honor? Especially Zoro. Rather die but not stepping back or having a scar in the back.
Who said that anyone touching a member of WB pirates won't get away alive with it? All talk. Didn't they they come there risking their life not only to save Ace but also to protect the name of the WB pirate? And where was that spirit when they flee before assuring Luffy's safety, which was the task WB gave them?
if he could stop the war with mere words.
It was because he could that make others look pathetic.
Now it would be funnier if he said "I CAME TO STOP THE WAR, LETS TURN THIS, INTO A SUPER DAVY BACK FIGHT!"… but then we would still be in the War arc... And I would still be missing my beloved straw hats!
It's your own inability to make it last that long. Davy Back fight was utter stupid. If you can't come up with a duel that is appropriate for such situation, it's your own inability.
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What I suggested is just a possibility. There maybe various other choices for Oda. It's entirely possible to:
-End the war in a more satisfying way; less underwhelming, anticlimactic.
-Make Shanks look cool without sacrificing the faces the two sides.
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@Sea:
The Marines are cops. They are after criminals. This is not like political conflicts like USA vs Iraq (neither of them was really justified, we all know the US just wanted oil). Shanks is like a mafia boss. A powerful one that cops fear. What does that make cops look like?
That's not true. In OP's world, there is a balance of power between the marines, the shichibukai and the four yonkou. That means we're talking more about rival factions than about "cops" and "criminals", at least with the likes of Shanks and Whitebeard. In this sense, what happened during the war is more comparable to international relations than to law enforcement.