Because you wanted to get your point across?
I have no idea what I explain subject x, but I'm going to keep doing it regardless. Rather amusing when people say this.
It's a figure of speech that implies that said subject is common knowledge and shouldn't require explaining…Then again, if you didn't understand this much, I assume no amount of explaining will bear fruit with you.
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It's a figure of speech that implies that said subject is common knowledge and shouldn't require explaining…Then again, if you didn't understand this much, I assume no amount of explaining will bear fruit with you.
It's one of the silliest figures of speech. You know exactly why you are doing it but say it regardless.
There is another popular figure of speech if you want to quote storytelling 101; William Shakespeare once said "Brevity is the soul of wit". It basicly means dont waste people's time. Dont jump all over the place, a simple but engaging narrative structure is the backbone of good storytelling.
It's one of the silliest figures of speech. You know exactly why you are doing it but say it regardless.
It's called disbelief.
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There is another popular figure of speech if you want to quote storytelling 101; William Shakespeare once said "Brevity is the soul of wit". It basicly means dont waste people's time. Dont jump all over the place, a simple but engaging narrative structure is the backbone of good storytelling.
That's debatable.
A lot of great stories often jump around a lot between many interwoven plot threads.
Saying a story component is not necessary when said story did not conclude is utter foolishness, though. And that's not really debatable.
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It's called disbelief.
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That's debatable.
A lot of great stories often jump around a lot between many interwoven plot threads.Saying a story component is not necessary when said story did not conclude is utter foolishness, though. And that's not really debatable.
Thats true. Some of my favourite novels of all time have out of control narrative (Rules of Attraction is probably the the prime example) but it does take a lot to pull off and there is a reason why you dont generally see it in shounen too often. That being said its true that noone cant conpletley pass judgement on any arc until its over, but you can however express your opinion and concerns about the narrative up until this point.
If Oda ties everything togheter perfectly at the end of this arc without leaving ant loosr threads, then all i can say at that point is hats off. But at this point i do feel concerned.
Thats true. Some of my favourite novels of all time have out of control narrative (Rules of Attraction is probably the the prime example) but it does take a lot to pull off and there is a reason why you dont generally see it in shounen too often. That being said its true that noone cant conpletley pass judgement on any arc until its over, but you can however express your opinion and concerns about the narrative up until this point.
If Oda ties everything togheter perfectly at the end of this arc without leaving ant loosr threads, then all i can say at that point is hats off. But at this point i do feel concerned.
But you weren't showing "concerns"… You flat out said they weren't necessary.
DD is already opressing the human population by turning people into toys. Another faction opressed by Doflamingo was not necessary.
Dont tell me the Dwarves HAD to be in this arc for it to work out. It could have been written differently.
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That's right, the dwarves first mentioned waaaay back when Usopp was first introduced. ch 24 in fact. They were one of his lies that came true.
The story he told Kaya was that when he was 5 he went sailing and encountered a giant goldfish (really encounted one after Little Garden called Island Eater ) whose poop ws so big it was mistaken for an island (giants mention Island Eater's poop has been mistaken for islands) and once he killed the giant goldfish (this hasn't happened -yet. Island Eater was killed by Dorry & Broggy, but now Usopp's at area that has many giant goldfish lol)) and that he cut up the fish and sent it to a country of dwarves.
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Usopp never lies! His lies come true!
Usopp never lies! His lies come true!
Its true,
to make this on topic, I will say I'm disappointed that we haven't learned that Usopp really did go sailing when he was 5!
One day we will learn that Usopp did travel as a child and had angered a strong pirate captain and that's why he developed his fearful ways.
It's called disbelief.
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That's debatable.
A lot of great stories often jump around a lot between many interwoven plot threads.Saying a story component is not necessary when said story did not conclude is utter foolishness, though. And that's not really debatable.
It's not foolishness, a simply a discussion on what's happening currently. That doesn't mean that I can't possibly be wrong in 6 months but I don't see them as a major necessity even with the potential storylines I see coming up. Then again, I'm not Oda or pretending to be. If he shows us a valid point months in advance, there's no shame to me being wrong on speculation, but rather normal. Unlike DollarScholar, to me the issue isn't the dwarves but rather how Oda is presenting the story recently. I just agree with him that they aren't pivotal and could have been moved from the plot.
It's a condescending tone whenever someone states that figure of speech, in a really douchey kind of way. Similar to when people say I don't want to be mean, but let me tell you the worst possible thing I can come with.. but since I said I don't want to be mean, all's well.
It's not foolishness
Yes, it is.
Just because it's a discussion doesn't mean it's not a foolish one. You and DollarScholar basically flat out said that the Dwarves were not necessary to the arc, and Oda could have wrote Dressrosa without them, which is absolutely foolish considering the arc isn't yet done.
We wouldn't be having this conversation if you've just said "The Dwarves haven't been vital to the story, so far". Except you went on rambling for about three pages on how Oda "Could have easily added them in another arc", and how Dressrosa could have been written without them.
Don't be surprised if people sound condescending to you if you're gonna waste their time by being redundant.
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With that kind of reasoning, you could say Oda could have made Fishman Island arc without the fishmen. Only SH would pass through an abandoned island and there would be no fighting. And Caribou would have no cover story.
With that kind of reasoning, you could say Oda could have made Fishman Island arc without the fishmen. Only SH would pass through an abandoned island and there would be no fighting. And Caribou would have no cover story.
Fishman island is the place where fishmen(the name even come from there) and mermaid were mentioned to live.
Fishman island is the place where fishmen(the name even come from there) and mermaid were mentioned to live.
Thanks for the info.
The reasoning was that Dressrosa arc's plot could have been done without the dwarves. But then the story would have been modified. In the same way, SH could have gone through Fishman Island without encountering single fishman or merman (like they all went to live on the surface, or were enslaved or killed), but then the story would have been different.
I like dawrves and their significance will probably rise during the plot. I mean for centre plot of One Piece, poneglyphs, void century, etc.
Yes, it is.
Just because it's a discussion doesn't mean it's not a foolish one. You and DollarScholar basically flat out said that the Dwarves were not necessary to the arc, and Oda could have wrote Dressrosa without them, which is absolutely foolish considering the arc isn't yet done.
We wouldn't be having this conversation if you've just said "The Dwarves haven't been vital to the story, so far". Except you went on rambling for about three pages on how Oda "Could have easily added them in another arc", and how Dressrosa could have been written without them.
Don't be surprised if people sound condescending to you if you're gonna waste their time by being redundant.
As long as there is a chance that their relevance will not become absolutely vital in the future of the arc (ie. something Robin & Ussop could have done with normal villagers), the statement itself is valid. You screaming yes it is foolish several times like a little child doesn't change that either. So unless you can see the future or are sleeping with Oda, absolute answers regarding potential future storylines don't fall on your allmighty fingers and are declared as fact. Must be mighty nice to look at all us peasants from that high horse of yours.
Like, I seriously.. like have no idea why I'm even responding to this when it should be.. like totally obvious.
Im sorry for starting this debate wich seems to go nowhere. I guess i have to clarify that i dont despise the dwarves in general, i think the major problem is the pacing of this arc and that there has not been enough time to develop them so far, and i dont like the idea of "backtracking" at the end of the arc to make them more interesting.
Lets just say that this arc is a little too stacked. Or just agree to disagree.
To date, I think I was mostly annoyed with the whole Ace being in his mother for like 20 months(?). I don't mind people in One Piece surviving ridiculous things. I just can't get over how meh that was.
absolute answers regarding potential future storylines don't fall on your allmighty fingers and are declared as fact.
Good lord…Isn't that what you've been doing the whole time?
But what I said is true. They could have been implemented elsewhere just as easily.
I'm acting like the dwarves could easily have missed this arc with a bit plot finesse, because it's true. They didn't need to be in this arc
They could have very easily not been included into, don't kid yourself too much in regards to it.
…Whilst all I was saying is that we should wait for the conclusion to make such claims.
How do you know the Dwarves could have been "Implemented elsewhere" ? How do you know they don't have a significant purpose in Dressrosa?
Aren't you the one waving those "absolute answers regarding potential future storylines" around...? Such hypocrisy.
And I'm afraid no matter how you wish for it to be, your statement is still not "valid"... I already explained why a couple of times in this thread, and I don't plan on repeating myself until you finally gain the ability to grasp common knowledge.
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As long as there is a chance that their relevance will not become absolutely vital in the future of the arc (ie. something Robin & Ussop could have done with normal villagers), the statement itself is valid. You screaming yes it is foolish several times like a little child doesn't change that either. So unless you can see the future or are sleeping with Oda, absolute answers regarding potential future storylines don't fall on your allmighty fingers and are declared as fact. Must be mighty nice to look at all us peasants from that high horse of yours.
But they will be vital to the storyline. Or did you think that the Dwarves being in conflict with the Donquixote Family for 900 years (the start of the Void Century) was just a random side fact?
Have you thought about why Oda made Usopp and Robin go to Green Bit? That wasn't a random choice. Usopp was needed to make the Dwarves allies and start the war because of his lying skills, but Robin hasn't done anything yet to justify her being there. That's where the eventual connection between the Dwarves and the true history will come in.
I was disappointed when the GL shifted from been a mysterious, hard to navigate sea to a sea that is dangerous mostly because of pirates and marines. In retrospect, it doesn't make much sense that Little Garden was named less than a hundred years ago and many believed it to be a fairy tale when first: Its really close to the beggining of the Grand Line. And second: People can navigate back and forth with eternal log poses. Some islands even have sea trains connecting them.
Wash your hands.
I was disappointed when the GL shifted from been a mysterious, hard to navigate sea to a sea that is dangerous mostly because of pirates and marines. In retrospect, it doesn't make much sense that Little Garden was named less than a hundred years ago and many believed it to be a fairy tale when first: Its really close to the beggining of the Grand Line. And second: People can navigate back and forth with eternal log poses. Some islands even have sea trains connecting them.
That's because people tend to die in Little Garden thanks to the dinosaurs, the volcano, the Giants, the fatal illnesses, the absurdly long Log Pose reset time…
I was going to say something about Norland being a really strong adventurer and scientist who lived centuries before Little Garden was named, and then remembered people didn't believe him either. So maybe the problem is people being unaware that they live in a strange world. Hmmm…
Good lord…Isn't that what you've been doing the whole time?
...Whilst all I was saying is that we should wait for the conclusion to make such claims.
**How do you know the Dwarves could have been "Implemented elsewhere" ? How do you know they don't have a significant purpose in Dressrosa?Aren't you the one waving those "absolute answers regarding potential future storylines" around…? Such hypocrisy.**
And I'm afraid no matter how you wish for it to be, your statement is still not "valid"… I already explained why a couple of times in this thread, and I don't plan on repeating myself until you finally gain the ability to grasp common knowledge.
Are you one the people that needs in my opinion written in every post as well online, because this is what you sound like. Is the so far not blatantly obvious for you, or do you need me to spell it all out for you? To me, they don't seem pivotal, and whether that changes or not is a different story considering that about 2/3rds of the story through the arc, this does not apply.
I have no idea why I have to explain this to you, it should be obvious, really elementary stuff.
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But they will be vital to the storyline. Or did you think that the Dwarves being in conflict with the Donquixote Family for 900 years (the start of the Void Century) was just a random side fact?
Have you thought about why Oda made Usopp and Robin go to Green Bit? That wasn't a random choice. Usopp was needed to make the Dwarves allies and start the war because of his lying skills, but Robin hasn't done anything yet to justify her being there. That's where the eventual connection between the Dwarves and the true history will come in.
Yes, I am bit curious in regards DD, 900 years and potential time in the dark. That is a valid point, but I'd wait until the end of the arc to see just how it is connected together with the dwarves other than a presumed generic takeover. I am interested to see if Oda will spill some actual information this time around or just throw us a line or two as he does.
In regards to Ussop, I get where you are getting at but that plot point could have easily been "people in Dressrosa are incredibly naive and believe everything..". It doesn't exactly scream necessity, however depending how big the link between the dwarves and DD's lineage and whether it is not something generic where a some real information is brought to the story will depend on whether they were really needed here or not. So depending which angle Oda takes here and how much he reveals (ie. not some one-liner fact about the past).
Are you one the people that needs in my opinion written in every post as well online, because this is what you sound like. Is the so far not blatantly obvious for you, or do you need me to spell it all out for you? To me, they don't seem pivotal, and whether that changes or not is a different story considering that about 2/3rds of the story through the arc, this does not apply.
First of all, those quotes weren't phrased as opinions…
But what I said is true. They could have been implemented elsewhere just as easily.
I'm acting like the dwarves could easily have missed this arc with a bit plot finesse, because it's true. They didn't need to be in this arc
Secondly, even if they were opinions, that doesn't make a difference, it's still foolish.
" GUYZ, Guyz!! It's IN MY OPINION!! So no matter what ridiculous bullshit I spew, you can't criticize me…. IT'S CALLED OPINIONS, DUH!!"
Anyway, I'm done with you. If you can't see how stupid it is to say that Oda could have done without a certain story component when said story isn't finished, then it's no longer a conversation or a debate I'm having with you, but pure trolling. (Because I refuse to believe someone can be THIS dense)
Good day.
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To date, I think I was mostly annoyed with the whole Ace being in his mother for like 20 months(?). I don't mind people in One Piece surviving ridiculous things. I just can't get over how meh that was.
Yeah. Couldn't she like, hide somehwere and give false date of birth? Maybe someone helped her hide or something. It's not like WG doesn't have enemies.
20 months thing seems really over the line and unneccesary.
Something in the equation had to change for it to match up in regards to Ace being Roger's son.
Roger's death date - Rouge's pregnancy - Ace's age
Of the 3 of those, Oda picked the best option, one that not only bridged the gap but also characterized Rogue.
I liked it.
Something in the equation had to change for it to match up in regards to Ace being Roger's son.
Roger's death date - Rouge's pregnancy - Ace's age
Of the 3 of those, Oda picked the best option, one that not only bridged the gap but also characterized Rogue.
I liked it.
The equation didn't have to be like that though. I'll remain to be meh about it. Hopefully whatever flashback about Luffy's mother won't be too weird.
The equation didn't have to be like that though. I'll remain to be meh about it. Hopefully whatever flashback about Luffy's mother won't be too weird.
Well, what would you rather have? Rouge dying while doing nothing impressive?
Well, what would you rather have? Rouge dying while doing nothing impressive?
If that was the option, sure.
Yeah, after all, it's not like Oda is trying to portray all Ds as ridiculously tough people who are full of determination.
Her water broke. Well, don't actually have anything to confirm that. Just some things feels meh when they are exaggerated. I get your sarcasm, so I suppose I no longer should voice any objections in this matter no more.
Normally I try to be polite on the differences of opinions here. That said, sometimes we can dispute events politely but still show how absurd we find the discussion - the WHF is directed at the discussion and not at the persons.
Are we seriously debating the impossibility of a 20 month pregnancy in a manga that is defined by impossible events?!
If one kid can stretch his limbs over 20 feet and his brother can turn his entire body into fire, then why is it difficult to believe that a woman can use her will to put her unborn child into a suspended state and extending the pregnancy?
Is it difficult to believe because its not a 'fightin' power, therefor not showy like the streatchy limbs or fire transformation?
Surely its not because it's a woman that this "Will of D" that has been shown to be the embodiment of the impossible.
Normally I try to be polite on the differences of opinions here. That said, sometimes we can dispute events politely but still show how absurd we find the discussion - the WHF is directed at the discussion and not at the persons.
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Are we seriously debating the impossibility of a 20 month pregnancy in a manga that is defined by impossible events?!
If one kid can stretch his limbs over 20 feet and his brother can turn his entire body into fire, then why is it difficult to believe that a woman can use her will to put her unborn child into a suspended state and extending the pregnancy?
Is it difficult to believe because its not a 'fightin' power, therefor not showy like the streatchy limbs or fire transformation?
Surely its not because it's a woman that this "Will of D" that has been shown to be the embodiment of the impossible.
Well those two example you listed are from those two brothers eating a magical fruit. But I get your point. Lets just say they are limits I can stretch my imagination for a manga and then in this case to me it seems like one of those ridiculous arguments people use to make their theory seems plausible.
"Ace is Roger's son."
"He is to young for that."
"Well, maybe his mom stretch her pregnancy because they would know he is Roger's son?"
Well those two example you listed are from those two brothers eating a magical fruit. But I get your point. Lets just say they are limits I can stretch my imagination for a manga and then in this case to me it seems like one of those ridiculous arguments people use to make their theory seems plausible.
"Ace is Roger's son."
"He is to young for that."
"Well, maybe his mom stretch her pregnancy because they would know he is Roger's son?"
I've seen people say ""It's impossible!" when it should be improbable (not likely but not ruled out) as Oda has already done impossible in his manga, so I used the DFs as example of the impossible.
Think of haki - isn't it suppose to be a manifestation of will? And hasn't the Will of D been made out to be greater than the average person …even if they had haki?
CoA-hardening is the person using their will to make their own body impossible strong (as in durable-against-damage-strong) .
With the existence of haki, it made me be able to accept Rouge's 20 month pregnancy since she had Will of D.
But I know not everyone is so easy to convince. It's their choice, just as its my choice to accept it.
... I just wish they won't say "It's impossible!" when Oda make the impossible happen regularly.
I've seen people say ""It's impossible!" when it should be improbable (not likely but not ruled out) as Oda has already done impossible in his manga, so I used the DFs as example of the impossible.
- though if magic fruit can exist why not impossible physical feats due to will?
Think of haki - isn't it suppose to be a manifestation of will? And hasn't the Will of D been made out to be greater than the average person …even if they had haki?
CoA-hardening is the person using their will to make their own body impossible strong (as in durable-against-damage-strong) .
With the existence of haki, it made me be able to accept Rouge's 20 month pregnancy since she had Will of D.But I know not everyone is so easy to convince. It's their choice, just as its my choice to accept it.
... I just wish they won't say "It's impossible!" when Oda make the impossible happen regularly.
Well the moment it is put by Oda in his manga it means it is not impossible. He is litterally the god of his manga.
If youwatched Supernatural think about Dean not believing in God and angels before he saw them.
But to it is just a ridiculous(not in the sense of impressive) feat and sounds and looked like bad fanfiction.
Rouge's pregnancy could be easily explained if Bonney used her power on the fœtus. After all, Rouge and Bonney come from South blue and the real Bonney was called Anne Bonney which is the name that Rouge would have picked is she was giving birth to a girl. Not to mention that Bonney was crying at Marineford and Ace wasnt born as a 20 months old baby though it could just be a plothole.
Oda could also have changed the conception date via a turkey baster. Or so I'm told.
Are we seriously debating the impossibility of a 20 month pregnancy in a manga that is defined by impossible events?!
I am debating, or rather saying, what I simply was most disappointed by.
Numbers generally tend to make me meh in One Piece since they don't need to be so exaggerated.
Something in the equation had to change for it to match up in regards to Ace being Roger's son.
Roger's death date - Rouge's pregnancy - Ace's age
Of the 3 of those, Oda picked the best option, one that not only bridged the gap but also characterized Rogue.
I liked it.
Is ace counted to be a year older than he is for the simple fact he was in Rogue's womb for an extra 11 months?
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Akainu surviving Whitebeards rampage after Ace´s death. We may have now a badass Vilain in form of Akainu in the New World that keeps things Interessting but Whitebeard even in a weakened state hit him with all his Power and with the intend to kill him after he saw Ace get killed by Akainus hands.
And that Blackbeard can take so much damage! Seriously he sayd that with the Dark Dark Fruit he takes double the Damage and everytime he gets Hit he Cries a litle and then stands up, the only explanation that he regenerates so fast would be if the Theory with the Zoan Fruit model Cerberus was true(ok we dont know that but the hints are there Jolly Roger etc) because Zoans regenerate much faster and can take more damage.
He just has insane resistance to make up for his fruit's drawbacks.
That's just Teach's thing.
He's a complete tank when it comes to damage.
He's probably the only one who can really use the Yami Yami no Mi to it's full potential.
Akainu surviving Whitebeards rampage after Ace´s death. We may have now a badass Vilain in form of Akainu in the New World that keeps things Interessting but Whitebeard even in a weakened state hit him with all his Power and with the intend to kill him after he saw Ace get killed by Akainus hands.
I actually wonder if any major villains will die in the series.
Because honestly… it would serve very little point except for being vindictive against characters people don't like, and I can't say Oda strikes me as someone that would do something like that.
I actually wonder if any major villains will die in the series.
Because honestly… it would serve very little point except for being vindictive against characters people don't like, and I can't say Oda strikes me as someone that would do something like that.
Personally, I don't see any of the Emperors making it to the end. They're too powerful and influential to be kept around.
