Yeah, that was also what I was thinking, time for a small Training Arc, hopefully connected with what's going on in the world for the other Supernovas and maybe the Younkou and Blackbeard
Timeskip Predictions
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Looks like the month and year people are going to both be sorta wrong and sorta right.
I figured it would be a short skip so I'm happy.
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@JERK:
The crew will reunite in the new year.
A year or so timeskip ladies and gents.Oda said the movie was Luffy's last adventure as 17 year old. So he will at least turn 18 at the end of the timeskip. Luffy is born the 5 May.
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The movie isn't canon.
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I still think it'll be a little longer than that. Let's wait till the actual explanation of what it means next chapter. Indeed it means reunite later somehow…at least in my opinion. That's the only way Nami's statement makes sense. However, given the reactions of some of the others, I think there's more to it than that.
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I smell timeskip…a short one, though
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Anyone know how long Luffy's adventure has been going on, or at least a estimation?
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Anyone know how long Luffy's adventure has been going on, or at least a estimation?
No, and if anyone gives you an answer that isn't a minimum ignore them.
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Anyone know how long Luffy's adventure has been going on, or at least a estimation?
We don't know for sure, but in some French people tried to estimate it in another website. And after ID, they estimate the adventure last only 3 months, but for sure, it didn't exceed 4 months.
Here is the website: http://volonte-d.com/details/temps.php
You will probably not understand a damn thing, but that is where I held my info.
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Anyone know how long Luffy's adventure has been going on, or at least a estimation?
Sort of. Yes, and no. Del's question is using it to figure out how long the timeskip will be at a minimum though, based off a statement from Oda that this would be Luffy's last adventure as a 17 year old. In that regard, I wouldn't say it is useless, but the specific date has little relevance. For example, we can assume Luffy left on his 17th birthday per his promise with Ace, then put forward an educated guess that his voyage so far has been about 3.5 - 4 months, and finally conclude that the skip would need to be at least 8 months to bring Luffy to his 18th birthday.
[[URL="http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=17121"]This thread] is your best bet, I think, but like Jerk says above there is no known amount of time and at best we can set a very liberal minimum. Oddly enough, contrary to my quoted post above, the specific date of Luffy's birthday could be relevant, but that's all up to Oda.
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Your quoted post was exactly what I was getting at. If were are to assume that the bell was the actual message, then Luffy's birthday becomes very important and would be the amount of time left until the new year. I don't believe it would really be necessary to have time skip that long but I'm not going to count it out either. If the adventure was 3-4 months it would make it August or September in the One Piece world. If it were to be just until the new year it would actually be shorter than some people are suggesting. I'm sure someone already brought this up, I just don't feel like going through the entire thread at the moment
EDIT: lol @ me creating so many typos and mistakes.
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So, we're settled on a roughly 8 month time skip? Okay, good.
Now, what the hell are these guys going to do in the meantime? Train and train and fight and train? What about the people already situated in the New World (like the Supernovas, Blackbeard, Marines, and the Three Emperors)?
Meh. I hope that the sea doesn't get too settled by the time the crew gets back together.
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when Chopper landed on that bird island, I predicted he'd keep a giant bird. Timeskip better allow that
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Can't wait for one piece shippuden when luffy gets back from training with jiraiya I mean ray after his squad got separated
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Can't wait for one piece shippuden when luffy gets back from training with jiraiya I mean ray after his squad got separated
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I'm still not entirely convinced there will be a timeskip, though at this point I won't be surprised or upset if there is one. I don't think the Straw Hats will "train" in the traditional sense. They'll probably have some adventures or something as they struggle to reunite with Luffy. Seeing them do that wouldn't be at all boring in my opinion, thought that would depend heavily on what sort of adventures, if any, they do get involved with.
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I don't think we can still say whether or not there is or isn't going to be one yet, it will all depend ((imo)) on the next chapter whether or not there will be one.
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There is definitely going to be a timeskip.
The best indicator is Usopp's weight. There is no way he is gonna reunite with the others while staying that fat. There will be at least some weeks in between where he trains and loses the weight. Besides, everyone (except maybe Nami and Chopper) has a perfect opportunity to get stronger right now.However, I doubt that it will be a year long or something. There's just too much happening (with Blackbeard and the Supernovas etc.) and it would be weird if the strawhats just minded their own business for a year.
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There is definitely going to be a timeskip.
The best indicator is Usopp's weight. There is no way he is gonna reunite with the others while staying that fat.
I have to disagree. it's clearly just for comedic effect. Like when Luffy fought Zoro and twin peaks. Or wen ever Luffy, Ussop, and or Chopper eat together they all get fat and then suddenly go back to normal.
Another example though not as direct would be Sanji and his brief turn to the Okama Way, there were so many people who thought Sanji would return like that to the crew but Clearly we now see that that isn't true at all.
There will be at least some weeks in between where he trains and loses the weight. Besides, everyone (except maybe Nami and Chopper) has a perfect opportunity to get stronger right now.
Hasn't it already been 3-4 weeks since the war?
I'm going to give it 3 whole days of hard work and determination and I bet you Ussop will be on his way.However, I doubt that it will be a year long or something. There's just too much happening (with Blackbeard and the Supernovas etc.) and it would be weird if the strawhats just minded their own business for a year.
Again, they've already been minding their own business for too long. Any longer and I think it would only start to hinder them.
Also now that I'm thinking about it the last few chapters have all been very fast past with time. And As I recall some Crew members are in the blue seas. So I can only guess but I think some crew members might have left for the ship a lot sooner then others did.
And if you take a look at everything after the flashback, it sort of looks like a time skip. Just Oda's version./speculation
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And if you take a look at everything after the flashback, it sort of looks like a time skip. Just Oda's version./speculationWhoa. I never thought of it like that, but I do believe that you're correct. We skipped 2 weeks into the future right after the war, and now we've skipped even further ahead. I hadn't thought of this as anything especially important until just now, but when Robin got her newspaper there was a little blurb at the top of the page saying, "Skipping back in time a bit…"
And she immediately got the paper with Luffy's message, giggled at Luffy's crazy antics, read the article, and understood. She was on that bridge the entire time, and she got Luffy's message. But apparently all of this happened in the past...which is a further indication that the timeskip has already come and we just haven't noticed it yet.
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To tell the truth. I don't want a time skip. It just will feel annoying. I mean the last few chapters we got flashbacks and the latest 'We know a secret and we not telling' thing, I just want to see this story move and not go though some sort of recap of what happen during a timeskip and resetting things up. We already got something of a timeskip with the two weeks after the war. Maybe a week thing but nothing noticeable.
If anything one thing will be noticeable and that will be Franky…Yeah.....He be there for a while.
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If anything one thing will be noticeable and that will be Franky…Yeah.....He be there for a while.
Franky built a bridge at Thriller Bark within a matter of seconds, with nothing at his disposal but spare wood and nails. He has access to the ruins of a genius's lab and whatever blueprints he managed to save from the explosion right now, and what's more, he's done this before and there's already a cyborg foundation there. He and Galley-La built the Thousand Sunny in a few days, and he did most of the work with Iceburg. I think he'll be just as timely in his arrival at Sabaody as the others.
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usopp's weight is not comic releif. it is his actual self being a fatass, its totally different than when he/luffy/chopper over eat at times.
he has to burn that off, if say chopper picked him up on the bird he wouldnt' magically lose all his weight by not being on that island anymore and all that food. he would have to lose the weight through work/effort.
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usopp's weight is not comic releif. it is his actual self being a fatass, its totally different than when he/luffy/chopper over eat at times.
he has to burn that off, if say chopper picked him up on the bird he wouldnt' magically lose all his weight by not being on that island anymore and all that food. he would have to lose the weight through work/effort.
Prove it . :wassat: is what I want to say but I can't back up my opinion either so we're at a stand still until we actually see what happens
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I can't prove anything either but the fact that Usopp has been like this for so long now kinda implies that it won't go away like Luffy's weight in Whiskey Peak. That would just confuse the readers. He has the weight way too long now.
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Prove it . :wassat: is what I want to say but I can't back up my opinion either so we're at a stand still until we actually see what happens
just compare the pictures of him in his after eating comedy fat
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I still can't get my head around how strong the crew will be when they re-unite after a time-skip, as well as comparing that strength to the strength of the crew when the series finishes. Frankly, I'm more concerned about Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji.
I hate placing levels on characters because I know how diverse the universe is, and how it's not strictly about power. As we all know, we never know how one person will fare against another person. But let me try anyways, so that I can at least express what I don't understand in terms of their growth in general.
Let's take Drake for example. He was a Rear-Admiral, if I'm not mistaken. We can somehow liken that strength to be similar to Luffy's strength. Being that they are two SN's, we can at least assume as much. I know this is annoying, but I'll continue. So let's switch focus to Luffy. If he's roughly the strength of a Rear-Admiral, does that mean it will be possible for him to face a Vice-Admiral, say after a time-skip? This is what I don't understand. Would he be able to fight them at all? If he does, would Luffy fight them with ease, or would he be exhausted, similar to how he was when he defeated a Pacifista? If the former is true, then that would be too much of a jump in power if you ask me. If the latter is true, then how would he face an Admiral down the road? How would Luffy make the jump from fighting a Vice-Admiral to an Admiral? Or Blackbeard for that matter?
This is why I'm a bit confused about how strong Luffy's enemies are. The wall that he has to jump over is huge. I'm wondering at this point if Oda should have made it this way. Coby was told he had haki, something the Vice-Admirals all have as well, and they are all aware of it. This somehow increases the jump in power between the Rear-Admirals and the Vice Admirals, doesn't it? And how long does it take to be completely trained with it? Looking at the Vice-Admirals, they are all much older. Does this also somehow presume that it takes a long time to reach that level? How about becoming an Admiral? There was one scene during the war, where WB weapon-quaked an entire area, and we see the Admirals withstanding it just fine, yet one or two Vice Admirals behind them, (Chapter 566) were shaking a bit, as if portraying the difference in power between the two ranks. Maybe I'm reading too much into this.
All I know is that a one year time-skip may be enough for them to go forward into the New World up to a certain point, where he'd be incapable of moving forward. At least that is how I see things. I'm not suggesting a longer time-skip. I'm not suggesting anything. If anything, and I'm stating it again, is, Oda made Luffy's enemies way too powerful in my opinion. Maybe I'm just not understanding haki as a major plot device that can even the field. But even if it is a plot device that can greatly increase one's strength, then wouldn't the average Joe who knows about haki be able to become immensely powerful? Wouldn't Kuja island be filled with women as powerful as Boa or an Admiral for that matter? Are we to expect Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji (assuming he learns haki) to somehow be an exception to this and have them continuously increase their haki (if that's indeed possible)? This is what I don't understand.
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One Piece is far from being over, even after a timeskip, I don't expect Luffy to be as strong as an admiral. It would be too boring if Luffy was top-tier when we have one ocean to discover.
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i dont' get why you all want a timeskip
i remember all the bitching about how the grand line was supposed to be this insane place and we just cruised through it.
and now you want them to have a timeskip so that we are super strong? so waht we can also cruise through second half as well without some insane challenge.
i like the feeling right now, where we could die any moment. first half we always had that "were gonna win" attitude.
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just compare the pictures of him in his after eating comedy fat
to pictures of him now on this islandNot comparable because Oda's style of drawing as changed and in a sense has become more realistic.
I doesn't matter if he's had the weight too long or not I'll bet money when we see him at the ship he'll be back to normal and if he isn't he'll quickly lose the weight after returning.
After seeing Luffy's message I'm sure he's going to stop eating and make his way back to the crew.
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i dont' get why you all want a timeskip
i remember all the bitching about how the grand line was supposed to be this insane place and we just cruised through it.
and now you want them to have a timeskip so that we are super strong? so waht we can also cruise through second half as well without some insane challenge.
i like the feeling right now, where we could die any moment. first half we always had that "were gonna win" attitude.
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What do you imagine was Rayleigh's point.
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I think he wanted to say, that we didn't just cruise through it.
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don't rush off to shabondy like an idiot, you need to have a plan
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I think we'll see a short timeskip
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Again, they've already been minding their own business for too long. Any longer and I think it would only start to hinder them.
I don't see why people are using this as an argument against the timeskip. We obviously don't have to worry about anybody else becoming Pirate King if none of the other Yonkou could find Raftel after all these years. So, I doubt a few months would hurt much.
Not to mention when the SH's entered the GL everything was settled. Not stagnant, but we had a general idea of who stood where in the world as we went through. Taking a few months off, and letting things simmer down as people make their place, and then just suddenly showing up to fucking ruin everything sounds exactly like what the crew always does.
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He was suggesting that Luffy needs to be stronger. What kind of plan would stop Luffy from getting his shit wrecked again?
A plan for Luffy to become stronger. :ninja:
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I don't see why people are using this as an argument against the timeskip. We obviously don't have to worry about anybody else becoming Pirate King if none of the other Yonkou could find Raftel after all these years. So, I doubt a few months would hurt much.
Not to mention when the SH's entered the GL everything was settled. Not stagnant, but we had a general idea of who stood where in the world as we went through. Taking a few months off, and letting things simmer down as people make their place, and then just suddenly showing up to fucking ruin everything sounds exactly like what the crew always does.
There's a lot more going on int he OP world this time around compared to when they entered the grandline the first time.
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There's a lot more going on int he OP world this time around compared to when they entered the grandline the first time.
All the more reason for things to settle down. Why jump into a boiling pot, when they can wait for a calm one?
From a story stand point it makes sense. If they go in now, people will always be wondering… "Well, what's going on with this and how's the world now? Etc." Do a time skip. Close a bit of the major loose ends. Like Shichibukai, Yonkou, etc. We won't know about it, but as we explore the New World later on we'll learn. Like picture Luffy learning Buggy has become a Warlord and is taking down pirates or something. It'll be a shock to him and us. We'll be exploring a whole new world all over again.
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All the more reason for things to settle down. Why jump into a boiling pot, when they can wait for a calm one?
From a story stand point it makes sense. If they go in now, people will always be wondering… "Well, what's going on with this and how's the world now? Etc." Do a time skip. Close a bit of the major loose ends. Like Shichibukai, Yonkou, etc. We won't know about it, but as we explore the New World later on we'll learn. Like picture Luffy learning Buggy has become a Warlord and is taking down pirates or something. It'll be a shock to him and us. We'll be exploring a whole new world all over again.
Exactly. This is why there's no problem, in fact a benefit, to the timeskip happening right now.
All these exciting things we're seeing, open Shichibukai positions, Supernovas dispersing, Marine shifts in power, general chaos, all of these things are seeds Oda's planting.
And after about a year, they will have grown into settled plants for the Strawhats to encounter, learn of, and explore.
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i like the feeling right now, where we could die any moment. first half we always had that "were gonna win" attitude.
The Strawhats did die.
That's the point of what Oda did with that scene.
They were dead without Rayleigh showing up.
And they were dead without Kuma showing up.In fact look at it this way. What if Kuma were hostile? Each time he pawed a Strawhats away, imagine if instead each of those hits he landed, thankfully benevolent hits, were instead lazers aimed at their hearts?
He was fully capable.
Each time a Strawhat was pawed away, it was symbolic of them being killed. Ripped out of Luffy's hands.They aren't barely making it, they are dead already.
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I have to disagree. I just can't see Oda skipping a whole year. It's never happened in one piece and because of it's pace it didn't need to happen.
I think there was already a time skip, and it JUST happened. The next few chapters will be very important in the whole time skip deal.
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I have to disagree. I just can't see Oda skipping a whole year. It's never happened in one piece and because of it's pace it didn't need to happen.
How is "it's never happened" an argument exactly? Nothing about having a timeskip relies on trends, it's a momentous writing event usually BECAUSE of that fact in stories.
The pace is perfect for it to happened right now. The reset button is being placed on the world, the cards are being reshuffled, now is pace wise perfect.
We've come to an end of Part 1 in so many senses, Part 2 is what comes next and a skip fits between this nicely.About a year isn't even that long of a skip.
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Yeah I've been totally converted to the awesomeness of the time-skip. Three new Shickibukai, a brand new world with a different power system. What I'm looking forward to the most are the Straw Hats. Seeing new designs like Usopp with Muscles, Franky with new armor, Nami with longer hair (I can hope for design changes at least) and seeing them gradually unleash their new techniques reflective of their raised power level where you think, "Holy shit they got strong, they could never do this before however they definitely still have a lot of room to grow." It would be a great feeling^^
But no Luffy stubble. I don't care how badass it is, I never want Luffy to have that ugly Romance Dawn beard. His face is fine as it is.
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@JERK:
How is "it's never happened" an argument exactly? Nothing about having a timeskip relies on trends, it's a momentous writing event usually BECAUSE of that fact in stories.
The pace is perfect for it to happened right now. The reset button is being placed on the world, the cards are being reshuffled, now is pace wise perfect.
We've come to an end of Part 1 in so many senses, Part 2 is what comes next and a skip fits between this nicely.About a year isn't even that long of a skip.
This story doesn't require a time-skip to keep your attention, and doesn't force any reason to have one.
The development doesn't ask for assistance from a time-skip, nor is there any real reason for the author to instrument one at this stage in time.
Time-skips are as monumental as any other "story devices" that are used by a talented individuals– believe it or not, many MANY uses of these have failed.
One Piece, prior to judgment, is highly likely to fall into the "failure" department due to the pace that the story upheld throughout the whole entire series. Of course, there is "chance" in which it could turn out to be well-done, some way or some how. However, the coherence will start to weaken because the character's personality MIGHT have to change and his motives might be changed with them-- something that usually ruins consistent, good stories such as this one.
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I've been on the fence for months, but I think this chapter solidified my views: yes, there's gonna be a timeskip.
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a time skip iS happening, I just know it. The fact is the strawhats need to train. They have been getting stonger from fight to fight, that I can admit. But right now there opponents are leagues beyond them in the New World. Rayleigh brought up that point that all luffy and his crew would be doing is repeating what happened at sabondy. They NEED to train, they just cant go to the new world right now. it may seem cliche since all shounin mangas have a training, but its the first real one in one piece that we get so im sure oda will make it amazing like he always does
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Time-skips are as monumental as any other "story devices" that are used by a talented individuals– believe it or not, many MANY uses of these have failed.
Sounds like a good challenge for Oda.
