@wintergt:
Don't make up arbitrary rules. Smoker uses a seastone weapon, Wiper used seastone against Enel (omg cheater?) and Onigumo put seastone handcuffs on Marco in combat. What I said was that a very competent and fast fighter can beat Enel as long as he can hit him, with either seastone, rubber or haki.
With that logic, Enel can easily beat Akainu and Aokiji because he can put seastone handcuffs on them with such speed that they won't even notice or even have time to think to use Haki. Kizaru on the other hand is naturally faster than Enel so that wouldn't work.
@wintergt:
The only one we have seen get totally incapacitated from seastone in the whole manga is Luffy. A possible explanation is that since Luffy's whole body is rubber (from his DF) and seastone makes you incapable of using your DF, Luffy's whole body becomes useless. Other people like Robin, Marco or Ace can move about just fine with seastone. And a monster like Blackbeard, even in seastone shackles, can trample a little kid like Apis without even noticing.
True, but don't take everything so literally. Of course BB could just roll over Apis and flatten her. I just mean that seastone can't be used to measure one's fighting skills, that's all. What's wrong about that?
@wintergt:
We know for a fact that haki can be used to hit logias, it is not speculation. Or more accurately, haki allows you to hit a DF user as if he didn't have a DF at all. (Luffy can be hit like he had a normal body and not a rubber one and bleed from haki punches) Ofcourse haki alone is not enough to beat Enel, he would mop the floor with all of the amazon haki users with limited combat abilities. It is clear you are a Enel fanboy, I could say so am I, but let's be realistic he is very strong but he is not an admiral and there are people who can beat him.
If it's a fact then all right, I guess I'm not paying that much attention. I.e., I still don't know if Yajirobe (Kizaru's nephew, forgot his actual name) actually used Haki on Luffy back on Shabondy. Does that mean Joz punched Aokiji with Haki too?
And I did mention already that I'm not saying Enel is the strongest of all, I'm just saying he can be considered at Admiral level, being an invincible logia and all. Sure, Garp can punch him with Haki but Enel would just fry him the next instant.
Oh and I'm more of a fanboy of lightning than Enel himself, if he had any other power I probably wouldn't care at all.