He did not name the attack. every major attack has a name from the start of the manga and Mihawk doesn't. Yea right.
I never said it was his strongest attack. Just his strongest standard slash. It's common sense… if he wanted to compare his strength against Whitebeard, he'd have to go all out to see the difference. Yeah its an assumption, but Oda doesn't have to spell everything out.
if it had no name then its fodder
So Mihawk decided to attack WB with a fodder attack? If what you say is correct he's not only weak he's also a dumbass.
Hmmmmmmm
Similar to Zoro in many ways, no?
But we've seen Croc be injured by far less. If he can take a Joz punch he should be able to laugh off a base Luffy or fully powered Franky punch back then and certainly now. Its like he has greater than Lucci level toughness now which is a ridiculous power-up or major contradiction if he was defeated by a kid weakened by poison with stamina like that in Alabasta. Also makes Auger comments on Ace's endurance carry less weight than it originally did for readers. Back then we though it was impressive seeing how relatively defenseless Enel&Croc became once they lost their Logia invulnerability.
After taking that punch it essentially means Luffy couldn't defeat him now even with Haki upgrade or at the least Croc would give him an even more difficult fight than before despite the power increase from our hero. So again here is hoping Don was holding Joz back before the first punch and only got him completely in control when he got on his back.
Well, in Croc's consistency's defense, he seemed relatively unphased by Luffy's hits up until the last attack. And I don't believe that Luffy can punch through bedrock even with a Jet Gatling. And Jet Gatling's strength has been somewhat inconsistent as well. I believe that Luffy has a wildcard kind of strength, but that on occasion, especially when he's on his last dregs, he pulls an attack strength from his desperation haki (lol) that is leagues above his current level of strength.
In the same way that no one could have predicted that a slightly winded and leg injured Lucci would fall from Luffy's last attack, Luffy's Storm was waaaaay stronger than anything we could expect from regular Luffy, even at this point in the story.
Hell, Luffy and Zoro's base strength skyrocketed just from having a good reason to fight. This was commented by a CP9 member, I can't recall which. But there is an extra level of "determination" that Luffy pulls from his ass that is ridiculously over his average attack strength. When he was screaming I will surpass you he was probably giving it his true all, something he can't really control yet. I don't like talking about haki, and I don't know if this was the earliest manifestation of it from Luffy, but what is certain is that, be it haki or not, he can bring out a strength that is above his level of strength. Eventually though, he should be able to do it with every attack or he will be owned.
What is not crazy to hypothesize is the fact that Luffy's end potential strength is probably higher than José's, so perhaps it isn't as ludicrous for Luffy to defeat Croc with his strongest attack when he was using his full potential. The problem with Luffy is that he didn't really become physically stronger during the entire manga from what we've seen. Gear 2nd is the only physical powerup (apart from Nightmare Luffy) that he ever got in terms of physical performance, but that is a stimulant. He was already a beast from the beggining, just in terms of strength. What he really needs to work on is putting an extra oomph into his attacks that all these top powerhouses can, and do it consistently, not just when he is about to die, and absolutely must. And also hit Logias with haki, obviously.
Basically, I think that if Luffy fought every battle from the beginning as if it was his last chance he would be many times stronger. Something needs to happen in this war that jump starts his ambition (i'm not talking about haki). I'm talking about the fact that right now he is quite different from the Luffy that we knew and love. He's taking all the help he needs, and accepting his weakness. The old Luffy would still be screaming I'll kick your ass to guys who were way over his League, like Croc was. The current Luffy is much more timid in terms of his determination to best his opponent. His defeats seem to have humbled him considerably. It may be subtle to some, but his attitude is, I feel, different. Of course many may disagree, and I could be wrong, but I think that the way that Luffy get's better is psychological at large. He needs to be saying that he'll beat his opponent no matter what, not saying that he'll fight even if he dies. It may not look like much, but in one affirmation there is the determination to get better until he wins, and in the other there is resignation. To me, the difference translates to:
1- I'll be better than you.
2-I'll try my best.
With that first mindset he defeated a guy who can take brilliant punk and land on his feet.
With that second one he's getting owned and needing help all the time during this war. I think that when he really takes matters into his own hands and can trust his power again, he will truly unleash his full potential. And that is when, I believe, he will unleash his haki. (sorry for the end
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@Fire Fist:
I'm pretty sure Mihawk knows how Shanks feels about Luffy, and he probably knows Luffy has vastly improved since their first encounter. I doubt there will be any serious fighting; rather, it'll simply consist of Mihawk "testing" Luffy.
Yes, exactly – either testing Luffy, or else testing fate -- to see what sort of miracle it coughs up in order to save Luffy.
@Zik:
So Mihawk decided to attack WB with a fodder attack? If what you say is correct he's not only weak he's also a dumbass.
Not necessarily. All Mihawk has to do is keep WB from getting to Ace and he's fulfilled his obligation as a Shichibukai. He doesn't have to kill WB. If anything, his slash at WB was just to see what sort of reaction it would provoke, just like his slash at Luffy will most likely be.
"Over-thinking,
over-analyzing …"
......-- Tool (from Lateralus)
I believe that Luffy has a wildcard kind of strength, but that on occasion, especially when he's on his last dregs, he pulls an attack strength from his desperation haki (lol) that is leagues above his current level of strength.
Luffy reached his limit!
Luffy can use his limit breaks!
Choices: 1. Gomu Gomu Storm (Level 2 limit) 2. Gomu Gomu Jet Gatling (Level 3 limit)
It's either that, or Luffy uses his Supers and Ultras after they charge up.
(RPG's or Fighting games. Your pick.)
Edit: Okay, that doesn't explain why these usual attacks are extra strong. It's basically, our heroes power up after being pushed to their breaking point, and then they release their pent up energy.
Not necessarily. All Mihawk has to do is keep WB from getting to Ace and he's fulfilled his obligation as a Shichibukai. He doesn't have to kill WB. If anything, his slash at WB was just to see what sort of reaction it would provoke, just like his slash at Luffy will most likely be.
All of the Shichibukai, except Kuma, don't care about the WG. They're in the war for their own personal gain. He's just said he's going to go all out and only fate can save Luffy, so I don't think he'll test Luffy's strength. He's going to test Luffy's luck, and to do that he has to attack at full power.
@$abZ:
All of the Shichibukai, except Kuma, don't care about the WG. They're in the war for their own personal gain. He's just said he's going to go all out and only fate can save Luffy, so I don't think he'll test Luffy's strength. He's going to test Luffy's luck, and to do that he has to attack at full power.
I'd have to agree with this. Mihawk had already ascertained the outcome of their fight based on skill, and he'll win. Luffy will get lucky though, and Hawkeyes will see that. Perhaps Mihawk is doing that to decide whether he should lean towards the pirates and rebels or the marines and government.
Not necessarily. All Mihawk has to do is keep WB from getting to Ace and he's fulfilled his obligation as a Shichibukai. He doesn't have to kill WB. If anything, his slash at WB was just to see what sort of reaction it would provoke, just like his slash at Luffy will most likely be.
I doubt that simply because Mihawk himself basically said he wanted to test the gap in power between himself and WB.
The reaction he was trying to provoke would be WB dodging/defending or taking Mihawk's attack full on or something of that sort.
Regardless attacking the world's strongest man with a fodder attack(as said by Neomaster since it wasn't named) after saying you want to know the gap between you and the other person is a dumbass move imo.
@Ussopspell:
1- I'll be better than you.
2-I'll try my best.With that first mindset he defeated a guy who can take brilliant punk and land on his feet.
With that second one he's getting owned and needing help all the time during this war. I think that when he really takes matters into his own hands and can trust his power again, he will truly unleash his full potential. And that is when, I believe, he will unleash his haki. (sorry for the end
It seems to me that you're saying that his original mindset is better than his current one. I'm not so sure that Luffy is as timid as you say. He seems to be as reckless as ever, given that he'd punch his way through Magellan's poison armor and get poisoned himself. What's changed is his happy-go-lucky self. Back in Saobody he treated everything like an adventure with free lunches, until he was decimated by some world-class enforcers. And then, on Amazon Lily, he became concerned with Ace, and is now gradually understanding the powers that govern the world.
@Zik:
I doubt that simply because Mihawk himself basically said he wanted to test the gap in power between himself and WB.
The reaction he was trying to provoke would be WB dodging/defending or taking Mihawk's attack full on or something of that sort.
Regardless attacking the world's strongest man with a fodder attack(as said by Neomaster since it wasn't named) after saying you want to know the gap between you and the other person is a dumbass move imo.
That long distance slash wasn't quite fodder attack. If let be, that slash will clean cut the Moby Dick in half. However, for Hawkeyes, it's his basic ship slicing move. My guess is that Hawkeyes knew that Whitebeard was stronger than him, but wasn't sure by how much he was stronger. Jozu's defense revealed that to Whitebeard, Hawkeyes is just some punk with a big sword.
exactly
its the 1 basic rule of all manga which usually have named attacks
Your ultimate attack will always have a name
if it had no name then its fodder
Zoro cutting a man down or a cannon ball in half without naming the attack means that its over 100billion times weaker than his named attacks (extreme but i hope you get the point peoples)
Fodder implies useless, no?
Anyway, it's likely that Hawkeyes has a name for it, but he's used it so many times, it's like a basic attack to him, so he stopped saying its name.
Named attacks imply that the attacks are special techniques rather than to give it strength. I mean, Whitebeard doesn't give his earthquake fists names, but they're stronger than even Aokiji's special techniques.
Its like with Luffy, when he just punches something he doesnt name it, but that doesnt mean its not powerful.
I think Mihawk just did one of his normal strong attacks to see the gap between him and whitebeard, Im sure he knew him doing that wouldnt provoke whitebeard to attack him head on, he simply wanted to see how much more powerful whitebeard was.
Just that he was testing to see their difference in strength doesnt mean that he was going to go all out, if he went all out, im sure he knew that it would mean him being targeted by many whitebeard pirates/allies for using devastating attacks against whitebeard himself.
So im sure it would be just like luffy punching someone.
So now that attack is Mihawk's ship cutting slash?
Fodder isn't useless overall just useless to the person you're applying it to.
So the random marines would be fodder to Luffy but they wouldn't be fodder to Usopp. He's saying that compared to Mihawk's named attack that nameless slash was fodder. If true he's a dumbass for attempting to attack WB with that attack.
Basically Mihawk is either dumb or has a huge ego to send a fodder attack to WB. How could he gauge anything off of that?
@Zik:
So now that attack is Mihawk's ship cutting slash?
Fodder isn't useless overall just useless to the person you're applying it to.
So the random marines would be fodder to Luffy but they wouldn't be fodder to Usopp. He's saying that compared to Mihawk's named attack that nameless slash was fodder. If true he's a dumbass for attempting to attack WB with that attack.
Basically Mihawk is either dumb or has a huge ego to send a fodder attack to WB. How could he gauge anything off of that?
If you know how strong your strongest attack is compared to your normal attack, then you'd have a comparison when you use your basic attack against someone, by evaluating their reaction to it.
@Zik:
So now that attack is Mihawk's ship cutting slash?
Fodder isn't useless overall just useless to the person you're applying it to.
So the random marines would be fodder to Luffy but they wouldn't be fodder to Usopp. He's saying that compared to Mihawk's named attack that nameless slash was fodder. If true he's a dumbass for attempting to attack WB with that attack.
Basically Mihawk is either dumb or has a huge ego to send a fodder attack to WB. How could he gauge anything off of that?
We're talking about the guy who is constantly seen talking to himself and trying to test fate, maybe attacking WB with one of his scrub moves was him testing his own fate?
We've been waiting for it for several weeks, and now it looks like we're finally going to get the epic Buggy vs Mihawk matchup. I'm very excited about this.
As a sword saint and follower of Christ(come on, just look at all those crosses), I'm sure Mihawk will bow down before the Pirate Saviour.
lets say buggy do goes vs mihawk,so buggy can split him self to different parts,and by that try avoid mihawk attacks right?
but if a slash of mihawk sword still hits one of this parts,that part will be cut isnt it right?
i dont see how buggy can take on mihawk,doflamingo is more likely but we saw croc and doflamingo join forces so they probably wont dual.
Buggy can't be injured by slashing attacks.
@Kairouseki:
Buggy can't be injured by slashing attacks.
is that shown anywhere?
and dont forget mihawk slash is no regular slash…
lets say buggy do goes vs mihawk,so buggy can split him self to different parts,and by that try avoid mihawk attacks right?
but if a slash of mihawk sword still hits one of this parts,that part will be cut isnt it right?i dont see how buggy can take on mihawk,doflamingo is more likely but we saw croc and doflamingo join forces so they probably wont dual.
You're mistaken. He can split and reattach in response to being cut.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/526/18/ he was cut in half from behind.
You're mistaken. He can split and reattach in response to being cut.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/526/18/ he was cut in half from behind.
so he can split any part of his body a few times?
dosent matter how many slashes he gets he can still split and reattach his parts as many as he wants?
so he can split any part of his body a few times?
dosent matter how many slashes he gets he can still split and reattach his parts as many as he wants?
We only know what has been told to us. Buggy himself has said that cutting attacks can't hurt him, though (I'm feeling kind of lazy and don't really want to dig it up, but I think it was in his fight against Zoro). He's the ideal person to fight against a swordsman.
Why is it a big deal that Joz ONE HIT didn't take out Croc? He took like hundreds of Luffy's hits before going down.
I think you are underestimating Luffy, which means you're underestimating Croc, to think that one hit from this Joz person should shut him down for the night.
500 luffy punches > 1 Joz punch, that's all. Is that so hard to accept?
Hmm with Jozu being a haki user, I wouldn't be surprised if Mihawk is too, so if Buggy took a sword slash I don't think his df would save him.
Some times I wish Oda gave us a better sword master.
That's right he should've just copied Kenshin or Makato Shishio.
@Zik:
Some times I wish Oda gave us a better sword master.
That's right he should've just copied Kenshin or Makato Shishio.
Shiryuu 2.0 !
If Buggy seriously somehow ends up fighting Mihawk, I can already see it.
(Mihawk cuts Buggy and he is unaffected)
Followers: Amazing! Captain Buggy can even fight Mihawk as equals!
Hmm with Jozu being a haki user, I wouldn't be surprised if Mihawk is too, so if Buggy took a sword slash I don't think his df would save him.
Honestly, it would sort of lame up the path to becoming the strongest swordsman if Mihawk just imbues the thing with kingbition to cut stuff. All the depth we've gotten with the breath of steel, etc, would just be ruined if it came down to a technique that fodder Lily warrior #57 is capable of. I expect the art of cutting stuff to be a lot more involved than that.
@HiroVoid:
If Buggy seriously somehow ends up fighting Mihawk, I can already see it.
(Mihawk cuts Buggy and he is unaffected)
Followers: Amazing! Captain Buggy can even fight Mihawk as equals!
It'll happen!
Honestly, it would sort of lame up the path to becoming the strongest swordsman if Mihawk just imbues the thing with kingbition to cut stuff. All the depth we've gotten with the breath of steel, etc, would just be ruined if it came down to a technique that fodder Lily warrior #57 is capable of. I expect the art of cutting stuff to be a lot more involved than that.
It'll happen!
Hmm how bout really really strong haki as in like rayleigh and shanks?
Hmm with Jozu being a haki user, I wouldn't be surprised if Mihawk is too, so if Buggy took a sword slash I don't think his df would save him.
That IMHO would ruin all the fun, Haki could easy harm Jozu or Mr. 1 but where is the swordman pride and effort, i really want for Mihawk to use different techniques to cut different elements rather than Haki, also if Buggy could withstand any best swordman slash then that makes Croc statement about abilities more believable.
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Hmm how bout really really strong haki as in like rayleigh and shanks?
I never got the impression that Rayleigh and Shanks pride themselves as swordsmen.
Hmm with Jozu being a haki user, I wouldn't be surprised if Mihawk is too, so if Buggy took a sword slash I don't think his df would save him.
I don't see where the "Jozu=Haki or Mihawk=Haki" train of thought comes from. We already know that a lot of powerful guys do not use Haki, and having Haki doesn't give you edge over someone who doesn't have it. Skill does.
Mihawk vs. Buggy… yeah, Buggy will lose badly. He'll survive the very first attack and then get hit with the flat part of Mihawk's sword. Not to mention he has his own plan and I doubt that it leads to him taking on a Warlord. I would like to see Luffy pass Mihawk with his own power. Not beat him, just pass him. Then someone could step in and prevent Mihawk from pursuing.
Jozu is strong, but I can't see him taking down Donquixote Doflamingo alone, let alone paired up with Crocodile.
Why is it a big deal that Joz ONE HIT didn't take out Croc? He took like hundreds of Luffy's hits before going down.
I think you are underestimating Luffy, which means you're underestimating Croc, to think that one hit from this Joz person should shut him down for the night.
500 luffy punches > 1 Joz punch, that's all. Is that so hard to accept?
This is close to my thinking. To all those who wonder why Croc is still up, just remember that gomu gomu no storm was many punches as opposed to one. Jozu is clearly strong, but Luffy and Croc are getting underestimated. Luffy and Croc aren't the strongest guys here, but they aren't weak.
As for Kuma, well I'll be damned. Everyone who back that theory is vindicated, and it must feel great. Congratulations.
@Zik, you've been terrible in the last pages. What's up? It's like you're getting more and more pissed off every post.
Also, Mihawk is pretty great. I look forward to the next chapter.
Well, in Croc's consistency's defense, he seemed relatively unphased by Luffy's hits up until the last attack. And I don't believe that Luffy can punch through bedrock even with a Jet Gatling. And Jet Gatling's strength has been somewhat inconsistent as well. I believe that Luffy has a wildcard kind of strength, but that on occasion, especially when he's on his last dregs, he pulls an attack strength from his desperation haki (lol) that is leagues above his current level of strength.
Pretty sure Jet Gattling can go through bedrock since it went through Enies Lobby stone walls. You have to assume a military fortress has reinforced buildings to survive possible battleship assaults from pirates or whatever. Luffy strength isn't really inconsistent. Like real life a person like Luffy isn't going to hit full force all the time. Like Sanji attacking the Fishrider boss, possibly Blueno, clearly didn't Bellamy as hard as he could. Luffy's strength can't fluctuate so much that poisoned and exahausted he managed to pull out more strength than WB 3rd division captain. That bleach/Ichigo level nonsense.
Unphased? He never screamed out in pain but he had bruises and blood gushing everywhere so its a little much to say he was unphased. He has high pain tolerance, but that shouldn't matter against Joz.
In the same way that no one could have predicted that a slightly winded and leg injured Lucci would fall from Luffy's last attack, Luffy's Storm was waaaaay stronger than anything we could expect from regular Luffy, even at this point in the story.
No. Think Lucci was more than a little winded. He had lots of collected damage which is why Luffy had to hit him so many times.
Hell, Luffy and Zoro's base strength skyrocketed just from having a good reason to fight. This was commented by a CP9 member, I can't recall which. But there is an extra level of "determination" that Luffy pulls from his ass that is ridiculously over his average attack strength. When he was screaming I will surpass you he was probably giving it his true all, something he can't really control yet. I don't like talking about haki, and I don't know if this was the earliest manifestation of it from Luffy, but what is certain is that, be it haki or not, he can bring out a strength that is above his level of strength. Eventually though, he should be able to do it with every attack or he will be owned.
All Blueno said was that Luffy suprised him because he didn't show that strength at the mansion. Their strength didn't skyrocket due to pure willpower. They were confused about Robins allegiences and caught off guard at CP9's highly impressive physical abilities. Nobody since Barouqe works had matched them physically. Simply weren't trying their hardest and before they could get their barrings Luffy of all people took both of them out. All blueno did was use the paper dodge move to avoid a half-assed gatling. Once they got to Enies Lobby all they did was use their full strength, only pulling out new power to finish off each member. Adrenaline also has to be taken into account, not outter physical manifestations a persons spirit.
What is not crazy to hypothesize is the fact that Luffy's end potential strength is probably higher than José's, so perhaps it isn't as ludicrous for Luffy to defeat Croc with his strongest attack when he was using his full potential. The problem with Luffy is that he didn't really become physically stronger during the entire manga from what we've seen. Gear 2nd is the only physical powerup (apart from Nightmare Luffy) that he ever got in terms of physical performance, but that is a stimulant. He was already a beast from the beggining, just in terms of strength. What he really needs to work on is putting an extra oomph into his attacks that all these top powerhouses can, and do it consistently, not just when he is about to die, and absolutely must. And also hit Logias with haki, obviously.
Yes he has. In Arlong park Luffy couldn't even get his feat unstuck from a stone panel, he had to use two arms to throw a boulder(long way from an Iceberg) at Kuro, then in Skypiea he ran up the beanstalk with the gold ball, also pushed apart two large buildings after being stabbed by Lucci. Having such strength after getting stabbed is also a sign of improvement, as Crocs hook completely incapacitated him. Its subtler than most series but their base physical strength has gone up slighly every arc.
It sounds like the rest of your post is trying to say determined convicted Luffy>Serious Jozu and that just cannot be right due to a lot of things I've brought up and other factors others could.
Why is it a big deal that Joz ONE HIT didn't take out Croc? He took like hundreds of Luffy's hits before going down.
I think you are underestimating Luffy, which means you're underestimating Croc, to think that one hit from this Joz person should shut him down for the night.
500 luffy punches > 1 Joz punch, that's all. Is that so hard to accept?
Yes because Luffy was poisoned and muscle wise isn't really any stronger than Zoro. Zoro struggled to throw a house. Yes he was injured but its not like if he wasn't he'd thrown it an extra 100 feet. Even if that were true thats a long way from the strength needed to throw a 100x80 foot Iceberg like 100 yards.
But its not like Crocodile was only injured by storm. He was gushing blood from far less powerful attacks from Luffy. That is what I'm thinking of why wonder Croc isn't more damaged from Jozu's punch. A punch that not only has more power behind it, but is also from a fucking diamond encrusted fist. Funny people actually want to believe Moria is down from one of Jinbei's punches despite only getting Groggy from a N.Luffy punch and getting up after a few dozen more. Yet don't understand the absurdity of Croc not being owned by an equal or greater punch. The double standards that show up when its Croc power brought into question are incredible.
@Daeji
Jozu hit Croc sans moisture, how if not haki?
As for it being lame, well haki is the only current thing other than specific weakness to help manage dfs that has received foreshadowing, and the breath of all things may end up tying into haki in case someone thinks of mentioning that.
Uh, Ryuksgelus, you're underestimating both Luffy and Croc. An easy answer is that move, while stronger then any of Luffy's individual attacks, isn't stronger then Luffy's combined offense.
@Daeji
Jozu hit Croc sans moisture, how if not haki?
I didn't say that Jozu couldn't use Haki, just that he having it does not mean that Mihawk had it.
So many people in the world. And so many bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.
I didn't say that Jozu couldn't use Haki, just that he having it does not mean that Mihawk had it.
My reasoning isn't just Jozu but also because Mihawk's main rival Shanks has it.
My reasoning isn't just Jozu but also because Mihawk's main rival Shanks has it.
Again, just because Shanks has it doesn't mean Mihawk has it. It's possible for someone without Haki to fight against someone with it, even beat them. Skill is what matters.
So many people in the world. And so many bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.
That IMHO would ruin all the fun, Haki could easy harm Jozu or Mr. 1 but where is the swordman pride and effort, i really want for Mihawk to use different techniques to cut different elements rather than Haki, also if Buggy could withstand any best swordman slash then that makes Croc statement about abilities more believable.
What do you think Haki is? He cuts what he wants to cut. Haki not a magical power its their very determination.
Uh, Ryuksgelus, you're underestimating both Luffy and Croc. An easy answer is that move, while stronger then any of Luffy's individual attacks, isn't stronger then Luffy's combined offense.
I repeat Croc was getting smashed by Luffy all of round 2. Minor, single attacks. I'm not speaking about the Storm. Those attacks are comparable to Jozu's attacks? His angry bullet he didn't bother to call out and maded Croc cough blood is comparable to a punch from Joz?
As for that punch not being stronger than Luffy's full offensive. So you'd expect Blueno&Hannybal to be about as injured from one of Joz punches as they were after taking their beatings from Gear 2 Luffy. Or was the beating Croc took round 2&3(minus storm) even more severe than those examples?
I'm feel like I'm discussing Bleach where a million excuses are given for Ichigo's bullshit power-ups. Who just a few weeks ago thought Luffy's base physical strength was on Jinbei and thus very likely Joz's level? Who here thought Croc wouldn't be done in by a jet pistol or 2 when even base Lucci was knocked on his ass by one? Now post-taking a hit people are changing their tune.
@Zik, you've been terrible in the last pages. What's up? It's like you're getting more and more pissed off every post.
LOL wut?
Mihawk thing wasn't that serious. Do I sound pissed off? Hmm
Oh well.
If I ever do get mad it'd be because of speculation or opinions I find excruciatingly stupid.
Again, just because Shanks has it doesn't mean Mihawk has it. It's possible for someone without Haki to fight against someone with it, even beat them. Skill is what matters.
My point is that it seems to be a recurring thing within the top dogs and will likely be something Zoro learns next so more than likely Mihawk has it as well.
My point is that it seems to be a recurring thing within the top dogs and will likely be something Zoro learns next so more than likely Mihawk has it as well.
We don't even really know that "Haki" is yet. It could be a very broad power that doesn't always work the same. Hell, Sanji's Diable Jambe or Zoro's Kyūtōryū could be a type of Haki. One of the reasons I don't like the term "Haki" is that from what we know, it's just an extension of a person's own will. Mihawk may, and probably does, have Haki but I don't think it's like Hancock's.
Regardless of all that though it's not so common among the top of the top that we can assume someone just has it.
So many people in the world. And so many bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.
What do you think Haki is? He cuts what he wants to cut. Haki not a magical power its their very determination.
I repeat Croc was getting smashed by Luffy all of round 2. Minor, single attacks. I'm not speaking about the Storm. Those attacks are comparable to Jozu's attacks? His angry bullet he didn't bother to call out is comparable to a punch from Joz?
As for that punch not being stronger than Luffy's full offensive. So you'd expect Blueno&Hannybal to be about as injured from one of Joz punches as they were after taking their beatings from Gear 2 Luffy. Or was the beating Croc took round 2&3(minus storm) even more severe from those examples?
I'm feel like I'm discussing Bleach where a million excuses are given for Ichigo's bullshit power-ups. Who just a few weeks ago thought Luffy's base physical strength was on Jinbei and thus very likely Joz level? Who here thought Croc wouldn't be done in by a jet pistol when even base Lucci was knocked on his ass by one? Now post-taking a hit people are changing their tune.
The bolded part is what I think a lot of people are trying to convince you of–that those attacks you describe as minor are actually pretty strong. Luffy's Gear attacks are sensationalized and obviously represented as a powerup, so they overshadow his "regular" attacks, but I think to focus completely on that ignores the fact that his base strength is actually supposed to be pretty incredible.
And actually, no, I wouldn't ever think one jet pistol would defeat Croc, just because Lucci got knocked on his ass by one. Either Croc is tougher than you're assuming he is, or Jozu's punch, diamond or not, is really powerful, but not earth-shattering.
Btw, I absolutely hate discussing things in the mold of "power levels" and who could take who, so I'm not trying to get into a debate about that. Just letting you know how I see things.
What do you think Haki is? He cuts what he wants to cut. Haki not a magical power its their very determination.
I repeat Croc was getting smashed by Luffy all of round 2. Minor, single attacks. I'm not speaking about the Storm. Those attacks are comparable to Jozu's attacks? His angry bullet he didn't bother to call out is comparable to a punch from Joz?
As for that punch not being stronger than Luffy's full offensive. So you'd expect Blueno&Hannybal to be about as injured from one of Joz punches as they were after taking their beatings from Gear 2 Luffy. Or was the beating Croc took round 2&3(minus storm) even more severe from those examples?
I'm feel like I'm discussing Bleach where a million excuses are given for Ichigo's bullshit power-ups. Who just a few weeks ago thought Luffy's base physical strength was on Jinbei and thus very likely Joz level? Who here thought Croc wouldn't be done in by a jet pistol when even base Lucci was knocked on his ass by one? Now post-taking a hit people are changing their tune.
I left a word or two out of that. I meant that Jozu's one punch wasn't stronger then the dozens or hundreds that Luffy gave out, combined. My idea is that many punches combined add up to more then one hit . That's not tough to get is it? I think you have some preconceptions about Luffy and Jozu that's confusing this comparison. You're at least overrating that hit, Jozu's strong but that doesn't mean that particular attack should OHKO Croc.
Of course, I really don't get you're examples. What does that Blueno or Hannybal thing mean? I didn't mention gear 2 at all or compare it to Jozu. Are you talking about other posts other people made, because you can't expect me to follow you in that context.
So Mihawk is only the World's strongest Swordsman because of skill and he has the most attack power? Seems a waste of that huge attack power cannot be used against Logias or Buggy, thus he'd stand little chance against Kizaru unlike Rayleigh.
I might regret saying this, but the reason that Mihawk didn't cut Jozu could be because Jozu possesses haki. NO, I'm not suggesting power levels, but if this skill can make you "cut anything" or "hit anything" then maybe there's a defensive aspect of that skill.
