But if Joz works like a prism, woulsn't that split the beam that hit him into smaller ones that'll rain back down on the battlefield?
Chapter 553 "Battle of the Highest" Discussion
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And here I thought this would be a good place to talk about the chapter…
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There is no "VA level." Oda has barely bothered to develop the strength of Vice Admirals as a whole. Anything weaker then Admirals is vice admiral level.
Usopp is VA level.
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But if Joz works like a prism, woulsn't that split the beam that hit him into smaller ones that'll rain back down on the battlefield?
True, but this is best chance for a moment that you can say "I just saw a pirate/marine to get killed by a rainbow".
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As far as my opinion stands, Luffy is the sole thing that will totally swing the outcome of the war. Here we have two gargantuan forces clashing together with both sides roughly equal. Then out of nowhere, with no one expecting it and with them possibly weakened comes out this cocky little upstart with an incredible will power and three freakin' powerful guys along with him. As far as my opinion is concerned, I believe this is going to be Luffy's greatest challenge to date. By all intents and purposes, he should be crushed instantly however it will be a measure of his strength, constitution and determination if he can somehow squeeze through that tiny gap (and I'm speaking figuratively here, I don't think there's gonna be a bunch of these guys on top of each other and Luffy pushing through the cracks) between these two forces, the slightest mistake of which will result in him being flattened and probably killed. It's all going to be a question of luck and his own will because his strength is nothing compared to the top players. A minuscule chance given only thanks to the chance of surprise given to him through going to hell and back which that in itself was already a miracle that cost him ten years of his life. And that I think is a good trade off given the forces he's about to be meddling with.
Man, what a long post.
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Brook comments that Ryuma was the considered the master swordsman of his time.
Furthermore, he is known as dragon-slayer.
Nowhere in the status of master swords-man (a status no other One Piece character has other than Mihawk) do we see any talk of cutting things, other than enemies and certainly no talk of cutting elements as the fake translation of an older data book stated. (I know this argument will come up next chapter)I want Zoro to surpass Mihawk, I want him to be strong enough to fight an Admiral, but to do that his final enemy cannot be Mihawk, Mihawk is a dog of the government that cannot reach Whitebeard of his crew, which is why he doesn't serve Whitebeard.
Mihawk has the strongest sword in the world, and used to be able to spar with Shanks, who has now surpassed himself and become a Yonkou.
I honestly don't see or appreciate all of this worship for a man whose title will mean nothing when Zoro is asked to take on the World Government itself, Logias and enemies that make this arc look unimpressive when they discover the 800 years of hidden history.
Get over yourselves, Mihawk is a spider at most in this war, if Luffy is an ant. He has no place standing against Whitebeard and Logias with the power to snuff the life from your lungs.
This is the last thing I'll post about Mihawk, I'm honestly more interested in seeing Marco tear Kizaru up and Akainu/Kuma/Blackbeard doing something.
PS. Luffy has more than 2 powerful allies/enemies with him, he also has Hancock who will side with him, Kuma who is questionable, and Garp who I doubt would seriously try to injure him.
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I'm sorry but there's no way Luffy is going to be making an impact in this war. I don't even see him being involved in a battle…
In addition, Mi Hawk is a Shichibukai. He should not be compared with someone like Luffy who in his own right, has gotten a high bounty of 300 million beri. It is made known that the Shichibukais are extremely powerful and fearsome pirates and if MiHawk is just at most a spider in this war, I do not see why the World Government would want the him, who is one of the Shichibukais, to help them. :ninja:
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I'm sorry but there's no way Luffy is going to be making an impact in this war. I don't even see him being involved in a battle…
Yes, Mr. Oda used up an entire arc to get Luffy to the war for no reason but the lulz.
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Mihawk is a dog of the government that cannot reach Whitebeard of his crew,
Anytime someone mentions this, there post should be thrown out.
Also, I think I figured out a good reason why Luffy can make difference in this war. If you look at the Impel Down arc on it's own, hasn't Oda made it seem like Luffy, Crocodoile, and Jimbei are all about on par with each other. I mean, we got so many montages of them attacking guards…so many page spreads with the three of them together. It really seems like Luffy, Croc, and Jimbei are the heavy hitters of their group.
With that in mind, Jimbei and Croc could certainly make a difference in in this war, right? So why not Luffy?
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Luffy beaten 2 shichibukai, 2 cp9 agents and 2 shichibukai 1st mates the same time(hancock"s sisters) He also took out the Impel Down Vice Chief in 10 pages, you really expect him to do nothing ?! He is not Buggy nor Jango. He can easily kick some Vice admiral"s ass….
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I'm sorry but there's no way Luffy is going to be making an impact in this war. I don't even see him being involved in a battle…
In addition, Mi Hawk is a Shichibukai. He should not be compared with someone like Luffy who in his own right, has gotten a high bounty of 300 million beri. It is made known that the Shichibukais are extremely powerful and fearsome pirates and if MiHawk is just at most a spider in this war, I do not see why the World Government would want the him, who is one of the Shichibukais, to help them. :ninja:
The main character who has chased his brother all the way to Marineford to try and save him will fail to make any impact? That's a little crazy. He's not going to be the ultimate force like he has been in every other arc up to this point, but he'll definitely make some impact.
Also, there's no reason that a Shichibukai can't be compared with Luffy who has defeated two of them already. Mihawk in particular may be beyond Luffy, but the title of Shichibukai most certainly is not.
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Luffy has already made an impact on this war by getting Hancock to join the war and by helping get Jinbei and Crocodile to the war.
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Luffy has already made an impact on this war by getting Hancock to join the war and by helping get Jinbei and Crocodile to the war.
hes got 1
croc wants to kill wb remembermaybe i was hasty to saying VA level
but for some reason i think Va are not far beyond garp and i still think its to early to think luffy has the strength/power to take on Va'sthe sheer numbers of people in this war is what makes me think luffy won't have an major impact
only one i can see is the surprise impact
apart from that i don't see him doing anything like busting through and bossing people aroundand i don't get why people say he beat 2 shichibukai
really he beat 1moria he had to use a 1 time power up
his crew were a major aid in his side
and a majority of luckluffy did not increase in strength like he's done before after defeating major foe non of the strawhats did
moria seemed to be their limit but at least that how it felt to me
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Luffy is strong, but the Shichibukai fights he has had were situational. In Crocodile's case, he had a very severe weakness associated with his element (clumping) that allowed Luffy to easily engage and defeat him, not to mention that Luffy was being underestimated and therefore Crocodile let his guard down.
As for Moria, When Moria utilized (in desperation) his ultimate technique, Shadow's Asgard, he essentially went punch drunk and was unable to control himself in that form. He wasn't able to use Doppleman as a defense, and with all those Shadows bloating him, any punches Luffy gave to him were likely intensified. In the end, it was a victory simply because Moria succumbed to blind rage.
That aside, Luffy is a strong person, but he's still a long way from the Top Tier Shichibukai (Kuma, Mihawk, Doflamingo), or the Admirals.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Luffy is strong, but the Shichibukai fights he has had were situational. In Crocodile's case, he had a very severe weakness associated with his element (clumping) that allowed Luffy to easily engage and defeat him, not to mention that Luffy was being underestimated and therefore Crocodile let his guard down.
Because being in a fucking desert doesn't help Crocodile at all.
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Because being in a fucking desert doesn't help Crocodile at all.
Only their last fight wasn't in the desert… it was in a stone crypt.
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Neomaster121, I did not say that all 3 will help Luffy. I was just saying that those 3 will have an impact on this war, regardless of who they side with, and that Luffy has had a part in getting those 3 to the war in the first place. If you remember, the Shichibukai were said to be the ones who could determine the outcome of the war.
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@Fire Fist:
Luffy is strong, but the Shichibukai fights he has had were situational. In Crocodile's case, he had a very severe weakness associated with his element (clumping) that allowed Luffy to easily engage and defeat him, not to mention that Luffy was being underestimated and therefore Crocodile let his guard down.
As for Moria, When Moria utilized (in desperation) his ultimate technique, Shadow's Asgard, he essentially went punch drunk and was unable to control himself in that form. He wasn't able to use Doppleman as a defense, and with all those Shadows bloating him, any punches Luffy gave to him were likely intensified. In the end, it was a victory simply because Moria succumbed to blind rage.
That aside, Luffy is a strong person, but he's still a long way from the Top Tier Shichibukai (Kuma, Mihawk, Doflamingo), or the Admirals.
Both Croc and Moria were on their home turf where they had significant advantages. I don't want to get into a Shichibukai debate here, but there are arguments for both sides and it's far from black and white.
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@Fire Fist:
Luffy is strong, but the Shichibukai fights he has had were situational. In Crocodile's case, he had a very severe weakness associated with his element (clumping) that allowed Luffy to easily engage and defeat him, not to mention that Luffy was being underestimated and therefore Crocodile let his guard down.
As for Moria, When Moria utilized (in desperation) his ultimate technique, Shadow's Asgard, he essentially went punch drunk and was unable to control himself in that form. He wasn't able to use Doppleman as a defense, and with all those Shadows bloating him, any punches Luffy gave to him were likely intensified. In the end, it was a victory simply because Moria succumbed to blind rage.
That aside, Luffy is a strong person, but he's still a long way from the Top Tier Shichibukai (Kuma, Mihawk, Doflamingo), or the Admirals.
See, a lot of people who are saying that Luffy will make an impact aren't saying this. Luffy and co just need to get Ace out, and anyone they fight along the way doesn't need to be these people…though they might run across some of them. How that goes down really depends on the war.
Point is, they have the power and capacity to really change things. Hell, Buggy and his weird abilities can make a difference, and he's no where near strong enough to fight these guys. Use your imagination.
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Brook comments that Ryuma was the considered the master swordsman of his time.
Furthermore, he is known as dragon-slayer.
Nowhere in the status of master swords-man (a status no other One Piece character has other than Mihawk) do we see any talk of cutting things, other than enemies and certainly no talk of cutting elements as the fake translation of an older data book stated. (I know this argument will come up next chapter)I want Zoro to surpass Mihawk, I want him to be strong enough to fight an Admiral, but to do that his final enemy cannot be Mihawk, Mihawk is a dog of the government that cannot reach Whitebeard of his crew, which is why he doesn't serve Whitebeard.
Mihawk has the strongest sword in the world, and used to be able to spar with Shanks, who has now surpassed himself and become a Yonkou.
I honestly don't see or appreciate all of this worship for a man whose title will mean nothing when Zoro is asked to take on the World Government itself, Logias and enemies that make this arc look unimpressive when they discover the 800 years of hidden history.
Get over yourselves, Mihawk is a spider at most in this war, if Luffy is an ant. He has no place standing against Whitebeard and Logias with the power to snuff the life from your lungs.
This is the last thing I'll post about Mihawk, I'm honestly more interested in seeing Marco tear Kizaru up and Akainu/Kuma/Blackbeard doing something.
PS. Luffy has more than 2 powerful allies/enemies with him, he also has Hancock who will side with him, Kuma who is questionable, and Garp who I doubt would seriously try to injure him.
title doesn't mean strength
we have no clue on background for mihawk
so to put him down because he's a shichibukai makes no sense
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@Thousand:
Yes, Mr. Oda used up an entire arc to get Luffy to the war for no reason but the lulz.
Normaly i would detect sarcasm… but the possiblity is quiete high that hes doing it only for the lulz.
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@Fire Fist:
As for Moria, When Moria utilized (in desperation) his ultimate technique, Shadow's Asgard, he essentially went punch drunk and was unable to control himself in that form. He wasn't able to use Doppleman as a defense, and with all those Shadows bloating him, any punches Luffy gave to him were likely intensified. In the end, it was a victory simply because Moria succumbed to blind rage.
No, the very reason Moria acted out of desperation was because Luffy was kicking his ass so bad with the gears in the first place. Luffy had the clear upper hand throughout, and could probably beat Moria again.
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I could care less about Luffy right now. Blackbeard interests emf ar more, Shiryuu vs Mihawk come to me!
Mihawk is like Kanye West…ppl only scared of him bcuz hes kinda crazy and dangerous...hes only got 1 friend Jayz i mean Shanks no 2 mention hes really cocky too and nobody in the OP world likes him..mayb kanye has a long black sword too!!
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How strong is Croc?
cuz we already know that Luffy > Croci'd say tier 1
WB
Roger
Shanks
Doflamingo
Kuma
MihawkTier 1.5
VIce admiralsTier 2
Jimbei
AceTier 3
LuffyTier 4
Croc
Hancock
MoriaFill in whoever i left out wherever you feel like they belong
u can also edit the list… eh -
I really really and I mean really like Marco's power :D blue flames is just insane..I can't wait to see his fight vs Kizaru it will be very interesting.And about Luffy..I think he will be the one to save Ace don't know why but i just have this feeling..
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How strong is Croc?
cuz we already know that Luffy > Croci'd say tier 1
WB
Roger
Shanks
Doflamingo
Kuma
MihawkTier 1.5
VIce admiralsTier 2
Jimbei
AceTier 3
LuffyTier 4
Croc
Hancock
MoriaYour post is about as sensible and relevant as your avatar.
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How strong is Croc?
cuz we already know that Luffy > Croci'd say tier 1
WB
Roger
Shanks
Doflamingo
Kuma
MihawkTier 1.5
VIce admiralsTier 2
Jimbei
AceTier 3
LuffyTier 4
Croc
Hancock
MoriaFill in whoever i left out wherever you feel like they belong
u can also edit the list… ehLuffy
Over Hancock
WTF. PROVE IT.
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My strength list not containing missing Yonkou
Shanks - Doflamingo power = uknown
BB > Kizaru - Ao Kiji- Whitebeard
- Dragon - Sengoku
- Blackbeard
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Boring war is boring. Couldn't care less. -_-
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^You must be a girl.
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It strange to see "Luffy do not have strength/not capable make impact/insect in this war". He cannot allow himself be unable to make DON in this war. If he is, he will lose his crew for the second time in New World. And for sure this time would be last.
"You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond" - all Luffy in this words. He is from those, who do not know their place, he is worst enemy you can make for yourself, and he would not enter and leave MHQ which a DON? Give me something better than this! -
Who thinks the rest of the Strawhat crew…you know the guys this Luffy person hangs out with....are going to make an appearance here?
It just wouldn't feel right for Luffy to cause a stir here without the rest of his monster crew.
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I don't think it's been brought up yet but OneManga says there's no Weekly Shonen Jump next week. Is that accurate? Is there no Jump next week?
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I don't think it's been brought up yet but OneManga says there's no Weekly Shonen Jump next week. Is that accurate? Is there no Jump next week?
Yeah there's no SJ next week. The issue with this chapter was a double issue.
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I don't think it's been brought up yet but OneManga says there's no Weekly Shonen Jump next week. Is that accurate? Is there no Jump next week?
That is correct, but there's a good chance that the issue two weeks from now will be leaked early. So we may get the next chapter next week with the two week break after that.
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Who thinks the rest of the Strawhat crew…you know the guys this Luffy person hangs out with....are going to make an appearance here?
It just wouldn't feel right for Luffy to cause a stir here without the rest of his monster crew.
You do know that there's still cover stories for remaining SHs to finish. If Oda really wants to hurry and have them appear in the war, he would've stop showing color spreads and finish up already.
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That is correct, but there's a good chance that the issue two weeks from now will be leaked early. So we may get the next chapter next week with the two week break after that.
Isn't it a one week break?
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Isn't it a one week break?
Well, that depends on how you want to define a break. I was thinking that there's always a one week break between issues, and this time there is an extra single week.
There will be one week with no issue.
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Well, that depends on how you want to define a break. I was thinking that there's always a one week break between issues, and this time there is an extra single week.
There will be one week with no issue.
Haha I guess it's a technicality, but I wasn't sure whether we'd have two consecutive weeks of no OP or just 1 week then back on schedule, so then it's the latter I guess.
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Usopp is VA level.
Boring war is boring. Couldn't care less. -_-
^You must be a girl.
Hahaha… See, this is why I like your posts Zkaiser! The cynicism and sarcasm are to die for.
[hide]There is no "VA level." Oda has barely bothered to develop the strength of Vice Admirals as a whole. Anything weaker then Admirals is vice admiral level.
As the story stands now, they all have the chance at making a difference in this war, but as soon as the shichibukai, admirals, or Whitebeard's crew do something they can all be tossed aside. Save for Garp. Same with the NW captains. They're all clearly tough guys, but they aren't the same level of invincible demi god as say Jimbei and Croc. I'll just use those guys as the example…I'm still not happy with this "Luffy won't make a difference" viewpoint.[/hide]
[hide]Anytime someone mentions this, there post should be thrown out.
Also, I think I figured out a good reason why Luffy can make difference in this war. If you look at the Impel Down arc on it's own, hasn't Oda made it seem like Luffy, Crocodoile, and Jimbei are all about on par with each other. I mean, we got so many montages of them attacking guards…so many page spreads with the three of them together. It really seems like Luffy, Croc, and Jimbei are the heavy hitters of their group.
With that in mind, Jimbei and Croc could certainly make a difference in in this war, right? So why not Luffy?[/hide]
Hahaha, onemoment you are so awesome. I don't know how many years I've seen you argue the same points. Face it, some people just don't see the bigger picture.
While I still hope Luffy doesn't have a "huge" role in the war, and originally I was very against Luffy participating in the war period. I have to give my kudos to Oda for how he brought everything together. I was expecting just a storyboard switch into the war, but Oda did an excellent job of bringing everything together up till this point. claps hands!
However, I'm not one to say that Luffy will not do anything in the war. I'm half-expecting that somehow he'll be responsible for the actual rescue of Ace. Don't know how, but Oda will make it happen. If we're talking about fights, then I'm definitely of the opinion that Luffy should have a very minor fight if any in this war.
IMO, there are way too many characters who have to be developed in terms of fighting abilities to concentrate on Luffy fighting. But we shall see.
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Hahaha… See, this is why I like your posts Zkaiser! The cynicism and sarcasm are to die for.
Hahaha, onemoment you are so awesome. I don't know how many years I've seen you argue the same points. Face it, some people just don't see the bigger picture.
While I still hope Luffy doesn't have a "huge" role in the war, and originally I was very against Luffy participating in the war period. I have to give my kudos to Oda for how he brought everything together. I was expecting just a storyboard switch into the war, but Oda did an excellent job of bringing everything together up till this point. claps hands!
However, I'm not one to say that Luffy will not do anything in the war. I'm half-expecting that somehow he'll be responsible for the actual rescue of Ace. Don't know how, but Oda will make it happen. If we're talking about fights, then I'm definitely of the opinion that Luffy should have a very minor fight if any in this war.
IMO, there are way too many characters who have to be developed in terms of fighting abilities to concentrate on Luffy fighting. But we shall see.
yea i think Oda just took the crew out so he could plainly focus on the war without having to include them in it
plus the crew just aren't at the right level to be involved in this war
your team is only as strong as your weakest link
the crew got quite a few weak links (inc injured zoro)
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You do know that there's still cover stories for remaining SHs to finish. If Oda really wants to hurry and have them appear in the war, he would've stop showing color spreads and finish up already.
Sure, I don't think it will be a while until Luffy actually starts fighting anyway. Besides, it's not like the cover stories are happening in real time, they're all supposed to be happening parallel to amazon lily.
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I wonder if Usopp will be actually fat when he appears again.
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man i just remembered
what the heck happened to the supernova
they weren't sent tto ID cause luffy meessed that place up
so where the heck r those guys lol
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man i just remembered
what the heck happened to the supernova
they weren't sent tto ID cause luffy meessed that place up
so where the heck r those guys lol
They're in Shabondy's Marine Base, awaiting processing. Sengoku mentions it while asking where the heck Garp went (when he went to go see Ace).
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@Fire Fist:
They're in Shabondy's Marine Base, awaiting processing. Sengoku mentions it while asking where the heck Garp went (when he went to go see Ace).
all 500 you sure?
