They aren't meant to be seen as good and bad guy
And we have a winner. Neither of them are meant to be seen as clear cut good or bad characters.
They aren't meant to be seen as good and bad guy
And we have a winner. Neither of them are meant to be seen as clear cut good or bad characters.
Well mainly what ida got accross to me with the whole id arc was the fact that a pirate is a pirate by any and all estimates they will do what they want regardless of the rules or the powers at be, also the fun loving happy go lucky mugiwara adventures are over for a while and it's time to get down to the serious pirate business, of lawlessness and coup de tas
The fact is even if the wg is considered at the top brass to have some less than honorable princeples their main purpose is still the safety and santity of the op world, such as protecting the villiges from pillage and those women and. CHildren from rape and murder by the type of people luffy just released from prison.
That is crap
The WG could care less about the people once they are in control .
Remember this is a gov that went to kill a baby just because his father .This is the same gov that also allows women to get rape by tenryuubito.
There main purpose is to stay in power and rule the OP world not the safety of the people .
As opposed to the loving care you would get if you let pirates like Arlong and Crocodile roam free.
Honestly, even if you think the world goverment is rotten to the core, which i personaly dont see. Its still a lesser evil compared to whatve seen from the pirates.
I don't think Luffy's breaking out the prisoners of ID can be consider evil because its not like he went there intending to break them out. How can something be evil if there is no intent. It was maybe a really bad and stupid mistake, which Luffy happens to do often, lets face it he doesn't think things through to the end.
As opposed to the loving care you would get if you let pirates like Arlong and Crocodile roam free.
Honestly, even if you think the world goverment is rotten to the core, which i personaly dont see. Its still a lesser evil compared to whatve seen from the pirates.
Not really both are evil what arlong and croc has done the WG did just as bad or even worst . That's why we have dragon trying to make it change ,maybe the world would be better place without the WG we don't know. The WG could be the reason alot of people turn pirates in the first place. The WG needs to change, the people at top need to be replace by common people.
Not really both are evil what arlong and croc has done the WG did just as bad or even worst.
One group advocates absolut anarchy, and rule of the strong. If you can beat someone down and take it its yours and deliver on it 100%. While the opposing faction guarantes you rule of law and protection from these people but can only deliver on it 75 or even 50%. If i had to pick id go with the side that atleast tries to make a diffrence for the better.
That's why we have dragon trying to make it change ,maybe the world would be better place without the WG we don't know. The WG could be the reason alot of people turn pirates in the first place.
Because a military coup to tear down country after country til you can bend them to your will is so much better than what's being done now?
I mean heck if you wanted to make change for the better, and the world goverment was these horrible ogre's all the time who never did anything good for anyone why on earth would Dragon have to take these countries by the blade of his sword.
The WG needs to change, the people at top need to be replace by common people.
Who in turn would sooner or later go down the very same path, if you got the whole world in your hand. You sometimes have to make hard decisions. Youre not going to be idealistic and kind to one and all for very long.
In the op world strength is what matters pure and simple,
A government ran strictly by the people will never work because it doesn't have a centralized department and is this weak and inefficient, that's why after the revolutionary war America changed and created a strong effective (for the most part) centralized one,
The WG is an example of that if there wasn't an order (wg)
chaos would rein (pirates such as arlong captain kuro, don kriege, crocodile, ect) that is the natural law of things.
I for one feel the good that the marines and wg dose and represents outweigh the bad shadowy secrets they that they have.
Who say Dragon takes all the countries by force. The WG kept these countries in control by force the same as the pirates. The WG has no right to call pirates evil when they do the same or worst .So far in the story i have seen the WG destroy a nation .While a pirate help kept peace on one. I have seen the world call pirate trash while they allow a group of people who do same as thing as pirates or worst . You guys kept saying the WG protect people but so far in the story we have not see them do anything to help any one really . Where was the WG during drum or alabasta. When they did send help they kill a whole bunch of people.
I want to see Doflamingo and Akainu in action!!!!!! I want to see their powers!!!!
That same pirate who saved alabaster turned around and freed the main proprieter responsible for all the suffering caused there. Obviously the WG has been doing something otherwise there wouldn't have been so many people locked up in ID in the first place.
Bottom line is they can't be all of the places all of the time
You shoulda read wolfwoods post he stated it better than I did
Who say Dragon takes all the countries by force.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/440/09/
Like i said before, what make's Dragons bloody conquest so much more right than what's now. I mean i doubt the majority of the people even give two shits what happend houndreds of years ago.
The WG kept these countries in control by force the same as the pirates.
The world goverment is a federation of countries banded together, its not kept together like how Arlong forced Nami's village under his thumb.
So far in the story i have seen the WG destroy a nation .While a pirate help kept peace on one.
Wow one pirate in the whole series who's done something nice, opposed 34 (yes ive counted em, geeky me.) pirates whove done nothing but fuck people over. Not to mention that the country he kept safe was invaded by another pirate.
You guys kept saying the WG protect people but so far in the story we have not see them do anything to help any country. Where was the WG during drum or alabasta.
Every single no rannsacked town, that's what the Marine's have managed to protect. Logue town for instance. Then there are lots of other time's when weve seen agents of the law help people. Purin-Purin's attempt to save Nami's village for instance, Fullbody and Jango saving the life of a woman and taking down the pirate's who attacked the village, Tashagi and Smoker's marines squaring of against Robin in alabasta.
The WG is control by the tenryuubito who then force countries to join them . They have no say what so ever in what happens in the world. The WG destroy a country to show others what happens if they do not do what they say . The tenryuubito once again say who going to be a warlord they don't ask any other country. Not much of a federation when other countries have no say .
All that page show me is dragon free another island from WG . Who to say he did not help the people inside country who were trying to over throw there king. How about when he save a whole island that was nothing but slaves cause they did not do what WG wanted.
Do you really want me to count how many time WG screw people over . The WG was the cause of the Sun pirates in first place . As i said who know how many people became pirates because of how WG runs the world in first place.
Once again my point was the WG does not care about people or what happens to them as long there are in control. That can only change when a real federation of countries come together out of free will and 1 group of people don't have control over the whole world like 5 stars elders who are most likely tenryuubito.
Not to mention bellemer-San, who's platoon died fighting the pirates that killed namis and her foster sisters original parents
LOL 34 really?
Wolfwood gets 2 cool points!
Yes andy please count the times though I doubt you actually will, also the tenryu do not control the wg the devine 5 do, idjit
I'm just curious, when is the next chapter coming out?
why is Dragon suddenly on a bloody conquest? ok, for all re know he's the leading mastermind behind several revolutions against the WG in various countries/islands, but the only result that comes even close to his ultimate intention and which we know about, is that he(his men) freed all those prisoned labourers on that bridge where Robin was sent flying. so i see his motive more noble, for he is trying to create more freedom in the world by releasing those countries and citizens from the oppression of the WG. And the WG is an evil organisation for all we know, with the tenryubito and that void history that supposedly killed this ancient folk. we have yet to see if he's also aiming for minor egoistic or even evil goals, but so far it is pretty unknown what his true intentions are, but for now he seems to be on the good side.
The WG is control by the tenryuubito who then force countries to join them.
Where did you get that notion? The WG is controlled by the five elder stars. The nobles doesnt appear to have much intrest in anything outside of their own pleasure.
They have no say what so ever in what happens in the world. The WG destroy a country to show others what happen if they do not what they want them to do.
Not true, they have the council of kings. The five elder stars and the goverment runs the day to day buisness. But as weve seen the ruler's of each country do meet up to discuss the big issues.
And Ohara was to show what happens if you break the law, was it a dick move yeah sure but its not like they werent aware that there was a death penelty for that particular crime.
The tenryuubito once again choses who going to be a warlord they don't ask any other country. Not much of a federation when other countries have no say .
The nobles have not been shown to be part in any part of the one piece politcal world, and even if they did they are still below the five elder stars.
You seem dead set on the whole no one get's a say in anything, when we have been shown the opposite in the picture below.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/142/06/
For people who has no say in anything they seem pretty into this whole we all have to do our part stop being a dick Wapol thing.
All that page show me is dragon free another island from WG . Who to say he did not help the people inside country who were trying to over throw there king.
Oh yeah freeing, lovely. When Dragon does it its just and beutiful and doing the right thing. But when the world goverment does about the same its horrible and just goes to show how rotten they are. I just dont see how getting your way with force can be just fine and dandy for one part, and the worst thing in the world for the other part.
Do you really want me to count how many time WG screw people over .
Already looked it over, but sure post what youve found, i might have missed one or two.
Not to mention bellemer-San, who's platoon died fighting the pirates that killed namis and her foster sisters original parents
Oh yeah had forgotten about that one, thanks bro^^
Hey i am not saying what dragon does is right or wrong .Of course dragon is dangerous to WG he wants to take away there power .So there going to bring that up.
Once again my point was the WG does not care about people or what happens to them as long there are in control. That can only change when a real federation of countries come together out of free will and 1 group of people don't have control over the whole world like 5 stars elders who are most likely tenryuubito.
Do you really think the 5 stars elder and not tenryuubito. To put another way 1 group should not have control over worlds Military when people ruling it see everyone else below them and do what every they want.
did robin end up in north blue, when she was blasted off by kuma?
because one revolutionary guy in that picture said they wanna head to the north blue next - just wondering
edit: oh no, i checked it just now, robin ended up in east blue
aweh damn, would've been a nice coincidence :d
Hey i am not saying what dragon does is right or wrong.
Allright then. As long as no one tries to push that Dragon has "god" on his side so his war is more righteous thing on me ive got no problem with it.
Once again my point was the WG does not care about people or what happens to them as long there are in control.
That's where you and me disagree, I think that generaly speaking they do care about their populace and arent these cold contemptous overlord's who reveal in the suffering of the subjects.. But like all big goverments they work according to the idea that to reach certain goals or safe guard their union there are acceptable losses. I mean you didnt see them cackeling with joy when Ohara burned, it was more like -Allright you leave me no choice, sad it has to come to this.
[That can only change when a real federation of countries come together out of free will[/quote]Isnt that pretty much with some exceptions what the current WG is?
and 1 group of people don't have control over the whole world like 5 stars elders who are most likely tenryuubito.
that's pretty unavoidable, you cant have the leader's of 182 countries leave their countries to hang around discussing every little issue, they need some core people who run the show on a day to day basis.
Do you really think the 5 stars elder are not tenryuubito.
The five elder star's seem to be sharp and knowledgable men who take governance seriously, While they nobles act like big spoiled babies. I really dont see the resemblance.
I wonder how the Five Elder Stars came to be in power.
why do you just keep repeAting the same things after they are diapeoven andy? Like the whole wg cares about nothing and none thing after we sate here gave you examples to the contrAry?
Well my problem is the core people . While the 5 stars elders might take governance seriously. They come from a group of people that do what pirates do and worst and they allow it to happen.
I would have no problem with 5 stars elders if said the tenryuubito are not allow to do what ever they want to any body without paying price like anyone else And if try stop them you get smack down.
why do you just keep repeAting the same things after they are diapeoven andy? Like the whole wg cares about nothing and none thing after we sate here gave you examples to the contrAry?
No one gave any examples wolfwood show me the WG was talking about dragon and we have don't the same view points on that. He thinks the WG care about people , i don't . I think they only help so that the tenryuubito can stay in control and do what ever they want. Yes there are people like smoker who help people but the same can be said for pirates. I am talking about top of the food chain.
The examples I that I was rephering to being the many instances of wich the marines hAve helped individuals in the op world or at least attempted to help the people, and to your last statemnent is only your oppinion wich basically equates to meaningless conjecture, you still havnt responded to any of the points made to the contrary of your oppinion such as how,
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The government never revealed in the desicion to annihilate ohara who left them no choice- knowing full well the conciquences of their actions ment death
2 there is always going to be a downside to ANY government the tenryubito are inbred swine who happen to be the decendants of the original creators of the WG so you know they are going to have privlage (it's sad but it's a unchangle fact) you can't base the entirety of the wg's princeples off of their actions who don't even do the governing
3 The slavery programs and such ran by the shichibukai are also one of those tough decisions they had to make in order to enlist the help of 7 of the most powerful pirates in the op world to have a chance to keep guys like whitebeard in check
The fact is no government is perfect and there are always going to be some accepted evils to allow for the greater good
No chapter this week then, sorry if this has already been answered :) ?
The examples I that I was rephering to being the many instances of wich the marines hAve helped individuals in the op world or at least attempted to help the people, and to your last statemnent is only your oppinion wich basically equates to meaningless conjecture, you still havnt responded to any of the points made to the contrary of your oppinion such as how,
1
The government never revealed in the desicion to annihilate ohara who left them no choice- knowing full well the conciquences of their actions ment death2 there is always going to be a downside to ANY government the tenryubito are inbred swine who happen to be the decendants of the original creators of the WG so you know they are going to have privlage (it's sad but it's a unchangle fact) you can't base the entirety of the wg's princeples off of their actions who don't even do the governing
3 The slavery programs and such ran by the shichibukai are also one of those tough decisions they had to make in order to enlist the help of 7 of the most powerful pirates in the op world to have a chance to keep guys like whitebeard in check
The fact is no government is perfect and there are always going to be some accepted evils to allow for the greater good
Okay before this get out of hand the marines are part of the WG but i am not talking about them . I am talking about the ones who control them. Who would be the 5 star elders. Who runs the WG.
The marines are just one there there arms.
Also i can base the WG of the tenryubito since there are they ones who control the WG .The have laws saying you can't touch them no matter what they do or you going to be kill.
Why did the WG destroy ohara because there were going to say what happen to in void century which in turn would harm the WG .Which would then harm the tenryubito since they rule.
The slavery has nothing do with the shichibukai and every thing to do with the tenryubito since they want slaves the WG allows it .They were many slave house i am sure not all of them were control by the a shichibukai.
Which is where me and woflwood don't have the same view the WG does care about anybody other than the tenryubito and once there are happy and in control all is fine. there are going do what ever it takes to kept in control.
I bet all thoses island that WB save in his name care more about him than the WG.
If the WG care so much about people then should say what happen in the void history.
Not allow 1 group of people to do what ever they want .
Also allow other nations to have a say in certain matters.
I can list a other things the 5 star elders should do but they won't. which by the way are rather easy thing to do . You don't have to all 183 have a say.
I expect the marines to save people they come from all over the place .
I know a government is never perfect but there some thing they can do that are rather easy . To make life better for everyone .
Well whatever so can anyone please just answer my question ?
Is there a chapter this week :) ?
Well whatever so can anyone please just answer my question ?
Is there a chapter this week :) ?
No. There isn't a chapter this week for any Shonen Jump series, from what I understand.
Maybe. We could get early spoilers this weekend.
@Super-Franky:
No. There isn't a chapter this week for any Shonen Jump series, from what I understand.
Oh what's the reason for the break do you know ? Is it another Japan holiday like the Golden Week or is it just a plain old regular break ?
Oi, drop the off-topics children.
hmm yesterday i noticed this on chapter 501:
garp was saying this: nah i´ll handle this… don´t you go telling anyone else, Sengoku included!
on this page.... http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000046401/02.jpg
well you know, after beatin up by Ki Zaru and the others, kumma appeard and rescued the Strawhats.. and he put them on island´s where they can train…
well its just my point, but oda made it clear,that garp, sendet kuma there.. and he was talkin with rayleigh too.
he was probably sayin something like that: Trust me, Garp has send me here, he is Ruffys Grandfather and so on...
what you think about it? :)