I'm probably being a little slow to mention this, but I find it very interesting that Magellan thinks Shiryu can take Blackbeard and his entire crew. It's been made more obvious in the scanlation
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I'm probably being a little slow to mention this, but I find it very interesting that Magellan thinks Shiryu can take Blackbeard and his entire crew. It's been made more obvious in the scanlation
agreed…. well I'm sure he'll get his ass kicked here
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I really have no idea what Blackbeard is doing at Impel Down. I mean unless he thought he would catch Ace before he left to be killed. That or just to cause massive havoc and piss off the marines. Oh or maybe he thinks that Whitebeard will try to rescue Ace at Impel Down and then cut him off. It's just so out of left field that he is doing this. It's almost unpredictable.
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I'm probably being a little slow to mention this, but I find it very interesting that Magellan thinks Shiryu can take Blackbeard and his entire crew. It's been made more obvious in the scanlation
Well supposedly Shiryu is on par with Magellan and with the information that we have now I can totally see Magellan soloing the Blackbeard Pirates. Translate Magellan h4x poison power into sword prowess and he is probably VERY strong. Magellan seems to be a pretty smart guy when it comes to fighting and I don't think that he would exaggerate being able to handle a Warlord. I don't see Blackbeard or Shiryu losing in a fight though. Well maybe Shiryu coughing up blood on one knee but not a total defeat.
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We'll have to wait to see if Magellan underestimated the BB pirates or not though..
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True. That's usually what causes people to lose fights in One Piece.
Underestimation of the opponent.
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Well supposedly Shiryu is on par with Magellan and with the information that we have now I can totally see Magellan soloing the Blackbeard Pirates. Translate Magellan h4x poison power into sword prowess and he is probably VERY strong. Magellan seems to be a pretty smart guy when it comes to fighting and I don't think that he would exaggerate being able to handle a Warlord. I don't see Blackbeard or Shiryu losing in a fight though. Well maybe Shiryu coughing up blood on one knee but not a total defeat.
doubt Magellan can actually be on par with the whole Blackbeard crew…. scratch that not even black beard my guess is luffy obviously KO's Magellan and BlackBeard Ko's Shiryu they meet and
A) black beard kicks luffy's ass and tells him something like grow and get stronger my rival and leaves to fight white beard
or...
B)Luffy learns haki kicks his ass takes his ship and heads the fuck out of there
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Sooo good. This chapter raises so many questions, but in a good way. Crocodile is a badass and I hope he feels the need to make a run at Blackbeard for being arrogant after taking his position! Also, I wonder if Lafitte has a devil fruit: one of the few flying zoans. Except the rest of his body doesn't appear to have any changes.. and we've never seen them before, so I doubt it has anything to do with a Sky Island race.
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doubt Magellan can actually be on par with the whole Blackbeard crew…. scratch that not even black beard my guess is luffy obviously KO's Magellan and BlackBeard Ko's Shiryu they meet and
A) black beard kicks luffy's ass and tells him something like grow and get stronger my rival and leaves to fight white beard
or...
B)Luffy learns haki kicks his ass takes his ship and heads the fuck out of there
C) Blackbeard and crew are distracted by Magellan and Shiryuu, so Luffy and Blackbeard never meet, but Luffy and his new buddies find the missing Marine Battleship waiting for them. They hitch a ride to Marineford, and the Marines there welcome it back, not knowing they're inviting pirates and revolutionaries inside.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@dirt:
C) Blackbeard and crew are distracted by Magellan and Shiryuu, so Luffy and Blackbeard never meet, but Luffy and his new buddies find the missing Marine Battleship waiting for them. They hitch a ride to Marineford, and the Marines there welcome it back, not knowing they're inviting pirates and revolutionaries inside.
I choose C.
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Maybe I'll win the rest of Italy this time.
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There's no way it could be a racial trait because his arms have actually turned into wings. So it's definitely a Devil Fruit, just not a Zoan.
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C) Blackbeard and crew are distracted by Magellan and Shiryuu, so Luffy and Blackbeard never meet, but Luffy and his new buddies find the missing Marine Battleship waiting for them. They hitch a ride to Marineford, and the Marines there welcome it back, not knowing they're inviting pirates and revolutionaries inside.
nice didn't think of that
but still never know with Oda who would have thought this would happen
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shiryu is going to join BB crew.
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shiryu is going to join BB crew.
I have a few underlying problems with that. Mainly that, Blackbead's crew is looking to be the last boss of the series. Meaning that, Shiryuu joining BB's crew as a swordsman makes him a final boss–for Zoro. Yet, Mihawk is the final boss for Zoro...right?
It just changes things in a way that I'm not liking. Either Shiryuu goes down early--like a jobber--or something is changing with one of these characters before that happens. I dunno, Shiryuu doesn't seem like a final boss for me, but more of a character for this arc. He has an Impel Down uniform after all.
I'd be easier, admittedly for me, to have him serve a purpose that ends here. There are other pirates for Blackbeard to chose from after all.
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What a epic chapter :D
and since Laffie is a Bird Zoan type what bird could he be Swan?,Eagle?,Pelican?
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@Sven:
There's no way it could be a racial trait because his arms have actually turned into wings. So it's definitely a Devil Fruit, just not a Zoan.
Oh, I didn't look that closely. Are you positive those are his arms, though? They could easily be obstructed from view. You may be right, though.
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based on all the stuff we have seen do you really think they believe that the shichi are helping balance.
kuma let the strawhats escape when tenryuubito wanted them. blackbeard is doing something right now that most likely won't be good. hancock will most likely swap sides when luffy arrives. crocodile already made a bad name for WG by his actions in Arabasta. Jimbei rampaging and all, plus currently going to go against now with luffy.
Hell if i were WG I would disband them because then won't have to worry about being fucked over by them all the time. I mean look at just this one event here (the WB WG war). Hancock helped luffy into impel down, Jimbei rampaged before and now helping luffy now. Blackbeard's current situation. Kuma sending the strawhats away instead of capture.
That's 4 people who screwed up sengoku's plans big time during just this one little war incident. Oh wait it isn't a little war incident it it the biggest thing to ever happen and over half the shichibukai are doing things that are totatlly messing up their plans, plus an extra ex-shichibukai.
some world balance, to me it seems like they are hurting more than helping the WG.
i think if the world government wins the battle with whitebeard they will disband the shichibukai anyway since they would of broken the power balance in the new world. the world government probably can't make any inroads into the new world because the 4 emperors reign supreme over all the different paths. with whitebeard gone the world government can take over whitebeards territory and even invade fishman island thus preventing pirates from even entering the new world.
the shichibukai probably know what is coming up and will probably betray the world government before they have a chance to gain power. this new age doflamingo speaks of is a world where only the strongest pirates rule the grand line and i doubt he thinks the world government will be a major player in that world. one guy i see betraying the marines before everything is done is doflamingo.
I have a few underlying problems with that. Mainly that, Blackbead's crew is looking to be the last boss of the series. Meaning that, Shiryuu joining BB's crew as a swordsman makes him a final boss–for Zoro. Yet, Mihawk is the final boss for Zoro...right?
It just changes things in a way that I'm not liking. Either Shiryuu goes down early--like a jobber--or something is changing with one of these characters before that happens. I dunno, Shiryuu doesn't seem like a final boss for me, but more of a character for this arc. He has an Impel Down uniform after all.
I'd be easier, admittedly for me, to have him serve a purpose that ends here. There are other pirates for Blackbeard to chose from after all.
i don't think mihawk will be the final boss for zoro. zoro has to at least defend his title of strongest swordsman a couple of times after he beats mihawk. hell oda might even throw a curve ball at us and have mihawk defeated by some other swordsman.
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Great chap but at this point I'm just along for the ride. I don't know what type of epic free for all orgy battle royal he's trying to concoct in such short a time lol. If it wasn't for Ace already basically being at Marineford I'd say there's a good chance for the big fight to go down at ID but I still like what Oda is doing just can't even bother to predict it all out.
I don't know why but I got this feeling Shiryuu is gonna be convinced by BB and join him after a short fight.
Thing is I was hoping Oda introduced Black Caesar as BB's swordsman and 1st mate just to kinda loosely base it off real life since BC was once a part of BB's crew but meh.
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now im going to be wonderingwhen he aquired the flying DF power lol
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otherworldly .. plain and simple.
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I have a few underlying problems with that. Mainly that, Blackbead's crew is looking to be the last boss of the series. Meaning that, Shiryuu joining BB's crew as a swordsman makes him a final boss–for Zoro. Yet, Mihawk is the final boss for Zoro...right?
It just changes things in a way that I'm not liking. Either Shiryuu goes down early--like a jobber--or something is changing with one of these characters before that happens. I dunno, Shiryuu doesn't seem like a final boss for me, but more of a character for this arc. He has an Impel Down uniform after all.
I'd be easier, admittedly for me, to have him serve a purpose that ends here. There are other pirates for Blackbeard to chose from after all.
That's of course assuming that BB will be the final boss. Same goes with Mihawk.
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Horrible chapter. lacking, shit designs, and major sucking up to animé conventions rather than the brusque and arcane beauty of the simple black and white. shame on you, ODA-satan. plus, seeing all these marine dudes get totaled is sooooo boring and passable these days_._ get over it, your manga sucks already(didn't even take 10 years!).
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I have a few underlying problems with that. Mainly that, Blackbead's crew is looking to be the last boss of the series. Meaning that, Shiryuu joining BB's crew as a swordsman makes him a final boss–for Zoro. Yet, Mihawk is the final boss for Zoro...right?
Hmm. I've never really thought of Mihawk as a " final boss" in terms of villains for Zoro to fight. More like just a scheduled thing they have to do one day. I can sort of see Blackbeard's crew as maybe one of the last villains, but I always expected Luffy and Shanks to go at it at the end.
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I like that idea. Zoro defeats Mihawk prior to reaching Raftel, when the final confrontation comes along, he has to face someone with his same dream.
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I'm glad I was right about Shiryuu betraying ID, but even in my wildest dreams I didn't see BB showing up at the front door. Oda managed to trump a predictable outcome with a more unpredictable event. ID is totally screwed now, it's basically Magellan and Hannyabal vs everyone, and they just added Shiryuu to their problems.
I'm curious to see Shiryuu's and BB's motives. BB showing up to recruit new nakama makes tons of sense, but it's so predictable that I think there has to be more to it somehow. He became a Shichibukai so that he could get to ID, so there has to be something very important that he wants. Shiryuu finally got out and seems ready to rampage against ID, but it's hard to know what he wants to do after that.
I have no problem with the pacing at all. I think Oda wants to hurry this part of the story up as possible because the other SH members are missing. The epic fight is now going to be at Marineford (which isn't ID), so it's time for the story to move out of ID. What better way to go out than in a hellstorm? The drama will pick back up at Marineford I'm sure.
Oniguma was portroyed as a demon in the buster call, ordering the destruction of their own ship. In this chapter though, he showed a much softer side, giving Ace hope about his brother before his execution.
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shiryu is going to join BB crew.
Shiryuu is not joining the crew :/ He doesn't fit it. His name doesn't, at least.
What a epic chapter :D
and since Laffie is a Bird Zoan type what bird could he be Swan?,Eagle?,Pelican?It can also be some kind of paramecia since the only thing transformed is his hands - all zoans usually change the whole body including face in the mid-form. So it's either paramecia or a very well-mastered zoan~
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What if BB is there to pick up Crocodile???
I mean it wouldn't be strange if there's a connection between two since (correct me if I'm mistaken) Ace said that BB was sighted in Alabasta right???
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Holy!!!Thats one nice chapter would would have imagined that BB and his crew would arrive at ID and i cant imagine wats going to happen during BB vs Shiryuu. I cant see either Shiryuu or BB losing, rather Shiryuu meeting up with those in Level 4. I feel that many characters are being wasted here.
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@Al!naJames:
Shiryuu is not joining the crew :/ He doesn't fit it. His name doesn't, at least.
Can you explain this name thing to me?
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Hmm. I've never really thought of Mihawk as a " final boss" in terms of villains for Zoro to fight. More like just a scheduled thing they have to do one day. I can sort of see Blackbeard's crew as maybe one of the last villains, but I always expected Luffy and Shanks to go at it at the end.
That's implying that Zoro will never fight anybody after earning that title.
Well, maybe and maybe not, but what about Shiryuu? Is he the guy who would fight Zoro afterwards for that title? Cause he doesn't look like a challenger. He, like Bison who shares his appearance with him, looks like a boss type, a leader and an expert or whatever. My point is, he doesn't come across as the challenger for any kind of title, so how does he fit into this role?
My big point being, I don't see Shiryuu as a BB crewmate. It just doesn't seem to fit, and I think most people are imagining Shiryuu in this role because they can't imagine the alternative–a harsh beating by Blackbeard after being built as a badass for a few weeks. Of course, having both sides avoid each other in all this chaos solves that problem...
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Can you explain this name thing to me?
I don't know all of them, but I do know that most if not all of the Blackbeard pirates have names from real pirates. The only exception I think is Doc Q.
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I think Shiryuu might not join BB because right now it seems obvious he well join the BB crew and in one piece the current trand seems to avoid those obvious thing… I do think
BB will recurit some level 6 prisoners but Shiryuu I am not sure, Oda might just suprise us again...
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Shiryuu better not be Squalo in disguise.
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a fair point junte86 and you have convinced me, btw props to the guy that guessed that Blackbeard would randomly show up just to be a dick, I remember thinking what the heck that would be random.
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Oniguma was portroyed as a demon in the buster call, ordering the destruction of their own ship. In this chapter though, he showed a much softer side, giving Ace hope about his brother before his execution.
I don't see what you mean. He basically just noted all the trouble Luffy was causing, before telling Ace to get his last good look at the sky, because pretty soon he is going to be dead. That's not exactly what I'd call soft.
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Oda is putting so much epic lately that I can't imagine that NW will last very long.
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AlmostLegendary Yeah, pretty much what person above said - the whole crew is named after real pirates/sailors (Catherine Devon, Vasco Shot and San-Huan Wolf as well), while Shiryuu is just some random japanese name. It doesn't fit :P
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Somebody mentioned that there was an empty space on the map with chibi-faces of the crew and that's right, guys!!! Somebody really was missing!!!
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i think if the world government wins the battle with whitebeard they will disband the shichibukai anyway since they would of broken the power balance in the new world. the world government probably can't make any inroads into the new world because the 4 emperors reign supreme over all the different paths. with whitebeard gone the world government can take over whitebeards territory and even invade fishman island thus preventing pirates from even entering the new world.
Erm no, there's still three Yonkoh left to take care of. It is obvious now that this balance is "1 Yonkoh (including crew) = Marine HQ + 7 Shichibukai". If not then it wouldn't make sense for the WG's side being unsure if they can win. Remember how Garp said that it's a bad idea taking two legends at the same time (speaking of Newgate and Rayleigh). If that is a bother then there's no way that a fighting force of 4 Yonkoh (including crews) is what they can take on. Plus the Yonkoh aren't a group of allies but enemies (albeit Shanks having sympathy for Newgate). There's no reason for them to work together…yet. No matter how you look at it, all the infos we've got about this three great powers stuff points at it being "1 Yonkoh = Marine HQ + 7 Shichibukai". The opposite doesn't make sense with the info we have.
I agree though that the Shichibukai become obsolete once there's no Yonkoh left.
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I don't know all of them, but I do know that most if not all of the Blackbeard pirates have names from real pirates. The only exception I think is Doc Q.
Teach is probably named for Marshalsea Prison as well as the historical Blackbeard seeing as how Whitebeard takes his name from Newgate Prison and the historical Blackbeard.
Jesus Burgess takes his name from Samuel Burgess.
Lafitte comes from Jean Lafitte.
Van Augur is named after John Augur.Doc Q is probably Jack Quelch; the fact that Quelch isn't that Japanese friendly of a name is probably why he's just Doc Q.
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^^ maybe that balance is right…but it
s WB in the end...the greatest enemie besides dragon...i mean destroying such a pirate crew, which is the closest to have the "future PK" strongest guy so far in the OP-world ,so the WG and marines have to go save ,to destroy them right now... they had 22 yrs to destroy this guy but they werent able...so now all force against this guy is the respond of the WG to make a clear table with WB for the last time.... -
Erm no, there's still three Yonkoh left to take care of. It is obvious now that this balance is "1 Yonkoh (including crew) = Marine HQ + 7 Shichibukai". If not then it wouldn't make sense for the WG's side being unsure if they can win. Remember how Garp said that it's a bad idea taking two legends at the same time (speaking of Newgate and Rayleigh). If that is a bother then there's no way that a fighting force of 4 Yonkoh (including crews) is what they can take on. Plus the Yonkoh aren't a group of allies but enemies (albeit Shanks having sympathy for Newgate). There's no reason for them to work together…yet. No matter how you look at it, all the infos we've got about this three great powers stuff points at it being "1 Yonkoh = Marine HQ + 7 Shichibukai". The opposite doesn't make sense with the info we have.
I agree though that the Shichibukai become obsolete once there's no Yonkoh left.
Except there's two big holes in that logic;
First, the Warlords are partners of the gov't. They aren't part of the Marines. Though they have mandatory summons and what-not, the punishment for this is simply losing Shichibukai status. It's a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" situation with them. The Warlords act as a prescence, and a deterrent. Whitebeard is, arguably, the most prestigious of the 4 Kings, and the gov't wants to cover their bases. Plus, we don't know if the other three kings have crews the size of WB's. Also, the Marine higher-ups never stated they'd out and out lose, just that it would be very difficult, and something they'd rather not do. What's caused them to start panicing is how chaotic things have gotten. They lost their scout ships, the Dark King showed up, Hancock won't show up, Jimbei goes nuts, Impel Down is falling apart, Blackbeard causes shit, etc.
Second, even if all 4 of them aren't cooperative, if they really were strong enough to crush the Marines like that, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't eliminate one of their biggest threats as soon as possible if they could.
If you, and three other guys you hate could individually take out a fifth guy all four of you hate, do you really think it'd be a simple choice to take out guy #5?! Especially since 2 of them seem to be on friendly terms.
And to ninja in a third point, if your math were the case, there would be two great powers. Hell, there'd only be one, if all four of these guys together would so greatly overwhelm the other side.
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First, the Warlords are partners of the gov't. They aren't part of the Marines. Though they have mandatory summons and what-not, the punishment for this is simply losing Shichibukai status. It's a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" situation with them. The Warlords act as a prescence, and a deterrent. Whitebeard is, arguably, the most prestigious of the 4 Kings, and the gov't wants to cover their bases. Plus, we don't know if the other three kings have crews the size of WB's. Also, the Marine higher-ups never stated they'd out and out lose, just that it would be very difficult, and something they'd rather not do. What's caused them to start panicing is how chaotic things have gotten. They lost their scout ships, the Dark King showed up, Hancock won't show up, Jimbei goes nuts, Impel Down is falling apart, Blackbeard causes shit, etc.
How is the Shichibukai being partners of the WG and not of the Marines a point against that logic? When I'm saying "Marine HQ + 7 Shichibukai" then I'm speaking of the WG's side. That the Shichibukai only answer the WG and not the Marine (as Kuma has pointed out to Kizaru) doesn't change anything. Both factions are below the WG, the Marines as it's military branch, the Shichibukai as privateers. I never said anything that goes against that so it doesn't qualify as an coutner argument.
Second, even if all 4 of them aren't cooperative, if they really were strong enough to crush the Marines like that, I find it hard to believe they wouldn't eliminate one of their biggest threats as soon as possible if they could.
The point is though that they rule the New World, a sea apparently not even the WG has under control. It can't be a coincidence that they are called Emperors. Their influence is probably just as big as a real emperors influence with the only difference that they are simple pirates. That said, it's likely that they simply don't care for the WG since they don't consider them as a serious threat. I mean Whitebeard just decided to take on the WG because of a matter of pride not because of a threat by the WG. Don't see why the other 3 should be any different.
Also don't forget that they have been said to be enemies, heck even Shanks who shows sympathies for Newgate said that the Moby Dick was an enemy ship. And the crews even spoke of war if Newgate and Shanks would collide. Again, the power comes into play here. They are the top of the food chain and rule the new world. It's like real emperors (respectively empires) confronting each other. They are just enemies to each other as the WG is. Such guys don't join forces easily. Especially if you consider that they probably fear each other much more then the WG.
And the point still remains that everything in the story indicates that it simply is "1 Yonkoh (including crew) = Marine HQ + 7 Shichibukai". The entire war thing actually proves it. If they are not sure that they can win against 1 Yonkoh, then this automatically means that they can't win if they'd confront all 4 of them together. It's easy mathematics. Plus as I said before, Garp already said that it is a bad idea to take on Newgate and Rayleigh at the same time. No matter how strong Rayleigh is he's still a single guy without any crew as back up. So if that is a bad idea then taking against more then one Yonkoh simply is a no go no matter how small the crews of the other 3 are. Again, easy mathematics.
If you, and three other guys you hate could individually take out a fifth guy all four of you hate, do you really think it'd be a simple choice to take out guy #5?! Especially since 2 of them seem to be on friendly terms.
I understand that point, but by my logic no matter how much guy #5 might hate me and wants my head I simply don't consider him to be a serious threat and that I could take him out easily by myself anytime I wanted. Guys #2, #3 and #4 on the other hand have proven to be much a bigger bother to me over the years, so why should I side with any of them to take out a guy who's inferiour to any of us and not as much of a bother then any of guys #2, #3 and/or #4? Get what I mean?
And to ninja in a third point, if your math were the case, there would be two great powers. Hell, there'd only be one, if all four of these guys together would so greatly overwhelm the other side.
It's not my math's it's Oda. He labels Marine HQ and Shichibukai to be each one of the three great powers. And he also made them both work for the World Government. So any problems you see here are not to be directed at me but at the entire concept itself.
But I think that Oda labeled them as individuals rather then summarize them under one power under the WG is because it is a joint venture of enemies actually. They only work together for the time being but they are not part of the same group.
But still you raise a very good point that I think needs to be adresses. I think that the entire 3 powers thing actually only is something the WG goes by. I seriously doubt that the Yonkoh consider them as one power. Heck, I even doubt that any of them considers him as a Yonkoh. The term Yonkoh strikes me as a nickname the WG gave them to categorize them under one label. But if those four use the term themselves is rather doubtful if they are really so powerful as they are said to be.
So this entire three powers thing could be nothing more then a matter of perspective. Perhaps people like Newgate and Shanks look at it that way that there's five great powers that rule the world. The Yonkoh that each have their fair share of the New World. And the WG that rules the rest the four don't care about. Would actually make sense if you consider how governments work by telling the citizens that their world view is much more superior then anyone elses. OP so far has only played at regions that are with the WG, so it's not like us readers ever had the chance to learn any different. Get what I mean?
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^^ maybe that balance is right…but it
s WB in the end...the greatest enemie besides dragon...i mean destroying such a pirate crew, which is the closest to have the "future PK" strongest guy so far in the OP-world ,so the WG and marines have to go save ,to destroy them right now... they had 22 yrs to destroy this guy but they werent able...so now all force against this guy is the respond of the WG to make a clear table with WB for the last time....Well, I doubt that the other 3 guys are said to be on his level just for show. I have no doubts that he is the strongest of the three. But that doesn't mean that the others are much weaker. Point is, that the WG wasn't able to take out Shanks himself in all the time he's been around. Why should it be different for the other 2? Especially if it was said that all 4 rule in the New World like Emperors?
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Hum, sorry I'm late and didn't read the whole thread, but did anyone mention that maybe BB came for… Luffy ???
He knows him well as he has been following him for some time, he knows what he is able to, he knows all what he has done against the marines, he knows he defeated 2 shichibukais already, he knows he is Ace brother, etc. I think he may ask Luffy to join his crew ! Most probably he will end up picking Croc', but I'm convinced for now that he came for Luffy. -
Nah, it's cool man. I fully expect and look forward to Luffy's rematch with Magallen. My only concerns are that this arc is turning into a giantic brawl with no end in sight. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Oda raises Gold Roger's decomposed body from the grave and has it join the fray.
Anyway, I have a feeling that out of everyone who makes it out of Impel Down, which I dont' expect to be too much, not all of them are going to go to Marineford. I can imagine the group getting separated and having to split up in their escape. Luffy, and Jimbei are most certainly going to end up at Marineford, and I bet Buggy will too because of how Ace was his party-buddy and it would be funny if he runs into his crew there, and I guess by extension Mr. 3 and the rest of Baroque Works. I expect the actions of Magellan, Shiryuu, and Blackbeard will end up weeding out the fodder from their ranks, and the big players to move on.
Oda has always loved to use different styles of battles.
Compare Thriller Bark with Skypiea, Enies Lobby with Little Garden, and Alabasta with Morgan ark, etc.
Impel Down is just another way to have unpredictability by Oda.
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Im going to go with the idea that BB is going to free a crewmate of his that is stuck in ID.
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And the point still remains that everything in the story indicates that it simply is "1 Yonkoh (including crew) = Marine HQ + 7 Shichibukai".
Jimbei seems pretty certain that Whitebeard will die if the war takes place, and he's at least as familiar with Whitebeard as the marines are.
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Oh god. Shiryuu is awesome, and I don't care that we haven't seen him fight yet.
I'm hoping he's just a really strong swordsman like Zoro, because we really need villains that don't rely on a Devil Fruit ability. But I'm going to lay a theory that Shiryuu is extremely fast and agile despite his large size (Like Kuma) so that he just flickers through anyone who gets in his way, slicing them up as he goes by.Oh, and does Lafitte have a Devil Fruit that gives him wings or something? If so, then that would explain how he got to Marijoa all by himself.
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Jimbei seems pretty certain that Whitebeard will die if the war takes place, and he's at least as familiar with Whitebeard as the marines are.
So? How does negate everything? It's just his personal fear. The Marine pretty much is very worried about how everything will play out. It was made clear several times already that they need each single Shichibukai for that thing. If it isn't like I suggest, then why is Sengoku so worried to have all seven Shichibukai assembled to fight just one fourth of the Yonkoh? Doesn't make much sense.
Furthermore it has also been stated several times in the story itself that nothing is decided and that Whitebeard could win this thing. In other words it is pretty much made clear that it is a 50/50 situation. How can it be a 50/50 when they are fighting only a fourth of the power that equals them? Explain me that.
Jinbei's comment is simply a logic comment from somebody who fears the loss of a precious person that is going into war. It's a logic statement since there's never a 100% in fights.
