I always assumed that Roger like most captains we've seen so far was the undisputed top dog on his ship.
But that's really just going by what feels most right for me
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That's a given seeing as he aims to be the worlds strongest swordsman.
And I think it will be a lot like the Roger/ Rayleigh style then Whitebeard/ Marco (but again we don't know Rayleigh's, Roger's and Marco's true strengths.)
True strength yeah. Garp did say "They couldn't handle two legends when referring to Rayleigh, I'd like to say he could be near strength wise to Whitebeard. But he did have a bit of struggle against Kizaru.
I think an SBS stated all 12 divisions commanders were around the same level, which I think would be near Admiral level. Given their performance in the war. But a few seem more Vice Admiral level.
@wolfwood I'd agree with the view of Roger being the top dog. It does feel right. But when I think of someone like Zoro or Rayleigh, I just can't see them being that far behind.
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True strength yeah. Garp did say "They couldn't handle two legends when referring to Rayleigh, I'd like to say he could be near strength wise to Whitebeard. But he did have a bit of struggle against Kizaru.
I think an SBS stated all 12 divisions commanders were around the same level, which I think would be near Admiral level. Given their performance in the war. But a few seem more Vice Admiral level.
@wolfwood I'd agree with the view of Roger being the top dog. It does feel right. But when I think of someone like Zoro or Rayleigh, I just can't see them being that far behind.
I know the supposed strength of Rayleigh, thats expected seeing as who he is, but we never saw him fighting in his prime, along with Roger and Whitebeard. The commanders I do agree to an extent they are between vice-admiral and admiral but there would have to be little differences in strengths, maybe down the track we will see them in proper battles when they are not concerned about Whitebeards health or rescuing Ace.
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I know that all of Whitebeard's commanders were technically the same rank, because they each had control over their own division…
But didn't it seem like Oda focused on a select few of them? Ace, Marco, Jozu, Vista... I would think they were the strongest. -
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True strength yeah. Garp did say "They couldn't handle two legends when referring to Rayleigh, I'd like to say he could be near strength wise to Whitebeard. But he did have a bit of struggle against Kizaru.
I think an SBS stated all 12 divisions commanders were around the same level, which I think would be near Admiral level. Given their performance in the war. But a few seem more Vice Admiral level.
@wolfwood I'd agree with the view of Roger being the top dog. It does feel right. But when I think of someone like Zoro or Rayleigh, I just can't see them being that far behind.It wasn't that they were the same level strength wise, Oda said they don't have authority over one another. As in Marco couldn't boss around Vista, and Vista couldn't boss around Namul.
Still the top guys were Marco, Jozu, Vista and Ace by far.
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Still Marco was shown time and time again bossing them around
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Still Marco was shown time and time again bossing them around
Yeah i thought it was fairly obvious that Marco was the equivalent to Vice Captain.
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same impression i had, he was the 1st division commander directly on the moby dick, the others were probably even authority wise.
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See, I always got the impression that Marco was probably second in command in an unofficial manner, but that all of the commanders were of roughly equal strength. Like… maybe he had been in Whitebeard's crew the longest, but he had a similar number of men under him.*
As in, they had different specialties, but a fight between any two would not have a decisive winner. Like when Zoro, Luffy or Sanji fight each other.
- Or maybe he just acted as Whitebeard's messenger because he can fly.
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See, I always got the impression that Marco was probably second in command in an unofficial manner, but that all of the commanders were of roughly equal strength. Like… maybe he had been in Whitebeard's crew the longest, but he had a similar number of men under him.*
As in, they had different specialties, but a fight between any two would not have a decisive winner. Like when Zoro, Luffy or Sanji fight each other.
- Or maybe he just acted as Whitebeard's messenger because he can fly.
I think there might be a decisive winner between some battles if the commanders fought but thats only because oh their fighting styles.
On your example with the trio, I have the same thoughts about them but only my opinion.
And I still think Marco was the unofficial Vice Captain because he was focused on more especially in his dialogue with Whitebeard and the other Whitebeard pirates, again My opinion.
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So, Sanji was using observation haki in Nami's body for a good while now.
I wonder, could it be that Nami will be able to use observation as well after she regains her body? Like, Sanji "awoke" the ability in her? After all this seems to be the hardest part concerning haki. And it is confirmed that haki is tied to the body, not the mind, else why did Sanji say that his observation is weak and he can't distinguish the fish from the torso?
Anyway, it would be funny if Nami returns to her body and is overwhelmed by the uncontrolled super senses she gained. I think it would suit her to be an observation user.
- As a thief
- As a navigator
- And of course as a combatant with a frail body
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So, Sanji was using observation haki in Nami's body for a good while now.
I wonder, could it be that Nami will be able to use observation as well after she regains her body? Like, Sanji "awoke" the ability in her? After all this seems to be the hardest part concerning haki. And it is confirmed that haki is tied to the body, not the mind, else why did Sanji say that his observation is weak and he can't distinguish the fish from the torso?
Anyway, it would be funny if Nami returns to her body and is overwhelmed by the uncontrolled super senses she gained. I think it would suit her to be an observation user.
- As a thief
- As a navigator
- And of course as a combatant with a frail body
It was a mistranslation. Sanji said the life force of the samurai is getting weaker that he can't sense it probably, cuz he was eaten by the shark suddenly. And I don't agree with the rest as well.
You know similar to the mistranslation of the door stuff with Franky
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It was a mistranslation. Sanji said the life force of the samurai is getting weaker that he can't sense it probably, cuz he was eaten by the shark suddenly. And I don't agree with the rest as well.
This is from CCC's
@CCC:
“I’ve been using my Color of Observation from the start but…!!”
“It’s really been weakened…!! It’s to the point that I can’t distinguish the feedback of his life force from that of the fish!!”The second sentence could be referring to haki, but also to the torso.
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And now ask yourself, if we see next panel and his torso being suddenly eaten by a shark, what is more likely?
It was stated more than once in the manga that haki has to do with the mind/will + it would be really weak if Nami would "learn" it that way
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This is from CCC's
The second sentence could be referring to haki, but also to the torso.
When i read the second line i thought it was just an "oda joke" because the torso was getting eaten by the shark.
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I don't think Haki is tied to the body… It is basically the manifestation of the user's "will", which is a form of mentality.
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I don't think Haki is tied to the body… It is basically the manifestation of the user's "will", which is a form of mentality.
What about the vulcanization effect with Luffy?
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I think you mix up the source of haki and the usage of haki
Why is Luffy and Virgo's usage of CoA look different than Rayleigh's, Marco's, Vista's, Pekom's, and Luffy's when he punched the Pacifista?
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Why is Luffy and Virgo's usage of CoA look different than Rayleigh's, Marco's, Vista's, Pekom's, and Luffy's when he punched the Pacifista?
We never actually saw the color of his arm when he punched the Pacifista… It might just be a post-TS indicator of "hardening". It also seems to be different from when CoA solidifies a Logia. For example, when Pekoms punched Caribou, or when Luffy grabbed Caesar.
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We never actually saw the color of his arm when he punched the Pacifista… It might just be a post-TS indicator of "hardening". It also seems to be different from when CoA solidifies a Logia. For example, when Pekoms punched Caribou, or when Luffy grabbed Caesar.
It wasn't shown in the anime (and I KNOW the anime isn't the actual manga) but it's worth mentioning BECAUSE Luffy when he attacks with CoA always says CoA: hardening. Unless he can use CoA without hardening.
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Um, I thought that when Sentomaru said "That bastard, he is using Haki" he was referring to when Luffy dodged the Pacifistas beams (CoO). And that he didn't actually throw a haki imbued punch at the Pacifista.
