Well One manga sucked… sorry for the troubles =(
BB one to go xD what ugly bastard will he find xD
Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)
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because she is on marines side of the island??
Yes, the only way for her to get home is with the Marines now. They will either forgive her or we get "mission: rescue Hancock", and I doubt that's going to happen. I still don't understand how they are going to forgive her after what she's done, but we'll see.
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OM didn't suck, they have the same thing just about… "ten" people, they claim it and then the chapter titles confirm it.
So, by the end, it'll be ten + Luffy, no matter what. If Oda wants to go beyond that, he is more than able, but he doesn't have to.
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What are you talking about, it all makes sense if you only think logically. Once the next person joins Luffy will announce himself as the 10th person. Simple as that.
Or we get a scene with him counting his fingers and saying "We have our final crew member!"
Luffy "I want a crew of ten"
9 Luffy nakamas like in the chapter titles + Luffy = 10
But we have to see it. Just my 2 cents about it. You can see it that way or the other but you can't say it is wrong
Valid point.
I think she's out of the running after this latest chapter.
How do you know?
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Or we get a scene with him counting his fingers and saying "We have our finally crew member!"
Valid point.
How do you know?
No Urouge and Co are right… translation i read was probably shitty. My fault
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I think she's out of the running after this latest chapter.
She's getting a lot of screen time for doing nothing, though.
I'm not a Hancock supporter, really, but one's gotta admit, she's been getting at least one square almost every chapter lately and all she's doing is yelling about how worried she is over Luffy. There's gotta be some bigger meaning for her in this series, aside from just "get Luffy to Impel Down, then leave after the war and go back to Amazon Lilly never to come back again".
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Or we get a scene with him counting his fingers and saying "We have our final crew member!"
Valid point.
How do you know?
Did you read the word "know" or "think"?
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She's getting a lot of screen time for doing nothing, though.
I'm not a Hancock supporter, really, but one's gotta admit, she's been getting at least one square almost every chapter lately and all she's doing is yelling about how worried she is over Luffy. There's gotta be some bigger meaning for her in this series, aside from just "get Luffy to Impel Down, then leave after the war and go back to Amazon Lilly never to come back again".
Well Jinbei as well^^
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She's getting a lot of screen time for doing nothing, though.
I'm not a Hancock supporter, really, but one's gotta admit, she's been getting at least one square almost every chapter lately and all she's doing is yelling about how worried she is over Luffy. There's gotta be some bigger meaning for her in this series, aside from just "get Luffy to Impel Down, then leave after the war and go back to Amazon Lilly never to come back again".
Just to add on, we don't have a definite location where she fought the Pacisfista and where she's at now… It is possible that she's on either of the two sides, regardless, hopefully it's confirmed next chapter, in like 2 weeks.
When we get the result of that, we'll have a clue about her having a dignified chance or not.
If she doesn't end up on the side Luffy's on, she's basically going to be a sporadic disease or rash that just won't go away, or a woman that is finally sent back to where she came from.
It's still not confirmed that she's being cast out yet. I wish Oda showed this, but he will probably keep on stalling. The truth of the matter is that Luffy is passed out, it seems. So we have a known fact that Luffy's bound to be inactive as they depart and will basically either be out of it when they leave MF or as they are leaving it... He still has to tell them to drop him off at SA, which is something he is still capable of and since they're heading towards escape, it's possible.
Otherwise, we're heading towards a time skip or location skip, where we are shown other things and Luffy is in WB's care, or his crew at least.
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To be honest I thought the first chapters are scanlations from the translated versions of US
They aren't the same exact thing, the US version is worded differently and states it as direct that ten is happening…
But, the number doesn't matter, only the chapter titles matter... It'll obviously have "last" member since Zoro was stated as "first" member, or at least something like that... It's either order in numerical value, or order in limiting value. Either way, if it does state final or last, we'll have an answer concerning it.
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Chopper and Robin still haven't had their chapter titles… A robin arc once again? and chopper as well?
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She's getting a lot of screen time for doing nothing, though.
I'm not a Hancock supporter, really, but one's gotta admit, she's been getting one square plus minus every chapter lately and all she's doing is yelling about how worried she is over Luffy. There's gotta be some bigger meaning for her in this series, aside from just "get Luffy to Impel Down, then leave after the war and go back to Amazon Lilly never to come back again".
He's trying to show that she actually cares about him and not to see the feelings she has for him as something that will just fizzle out. A lot of the time he has used her feelings as comedy, but he's obviously making sure people see it as something serious as well, and that Luffy x Robin/Nami/Vivi or a myriad of other girls is not going to happen. She has risked a ton for him, jumped into his fights in rage, shown how much she cares for him whenever he gets hurt, and I think it was to genuinely have people realize that her feelings aren't just a running gag and that Luffy has his girl (even if he doesn't return her feelings, that we ever see at least). Just look at how much she was hyped, most beautiful woman in the world, incredibly powerful, she despises every man EXCEPT him, and is named the pirate empress. I mean doesn't that sound like the perfect girl for the pirate king?
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With that mermaid princess is even hyped more as being even more beautiful than Boa.
And I doubt Boa can despise men of the caliber of WB and co
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He's trying to show that she actually cares about him and not to see the feelings she has for him as something that will just fizzle out. A lot of the time he has used her feelings as comedy, but he's obviously making sure people see it as something serious as well, and that Luffy x Robin/Nami/Vivi or a myriad of other girls is not going to happen. She has risked a ton for him, jumped into his fights in rage, shown how much she cares for him whenever he gets hurt, and I think it was to genuinely have people realize that her feelings aren't just a running gag and that Luffy has his girl (even if he doesn't return her feelings, that we ever see at least). Just look at how much she was hyped, most beautiful woman in the world, incredibly powerful, she despises every man EXCEPT him, and is named the pirate empress. I mean doesn't that sound like the perfect girl for the pirate king?
Quothed out of epic agreement!
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With that mermaid princess is even hyped more as being even more beautiful than Boa.
And I doubt Boa can despise men of the caliber of WB and co
Mermaid princess was hyped by bounty hunters based on her possible beauty, if I remember correctly? That doesn't seem to constitute a lot of hype, especially since to explain her beauty, they compared her to Hancock. I also never said that hype was based entirely on her beauty, some people on this forum really need to work on their reading comprehension skills.
Why not? She stereotypes men, all of them, and she may respect Whitebeard (which there is no proof of), but she has no reason not to put him in the same category as every man. I don't see where you get this idea that she somehow has to not dislike Whitebeard and "co"?.
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Yeah, sure… If you want that, I can type that up. If you mind, can I just type less and if you don't get my point, just ask me to expand...
That would be fine. Thanks
Alright.
Yes, however, one of them defected. The other two haven't had any appearance since the chapter 489 or whatever…
The last we saw of Hogback and Absalom, they were with Moria. As for Perona's defection, well this might be a part of what we are debating so just leave it for now
His purpose was simple:
Moria was a character that FAILED at heading towards the NW, it was clear that Oda had basically stated that Moria was a lot like Luffy now, but he lost it all. So, he foreshadowed that SH crew would have to surpass Moria in order to avoid that fate towards the NW. Moria was used as a plot device that would provide emphasis on the dangers ahead. He was also used to give Luffy more experience and show him of the inability he currently holds.By using Moria as an obstacle so early, Oda has effectively shown that to survive early on, Luffy would have to surpass Moria's battle potential. Currently, he hasn't.
However, when they make it there, since Luffy did succeed, the plot will explain that unlike Moria, Luffy will survive with his crew with him.
Why not use a random new world pirate or some "silver medalist" or whatever… Why Moria?? Simple... to INTRODUCE HIM. This was his introduction, he is the first canon new world failure we've seen... If he is in fact like luffy (as you said, I don't agree) then he should share his tenacity and will be trying again.
It's not that, I understand that DOORS can be changed, but there are problems with some of the "ladder" chutes that lead towards the other systems below the ship, looking at those, you'd basically assume that changing that will cause some changes towards the blueprint, which can or cannot have negative effects.
Yes, still, the result isn't that the ship heads towards a certain destination at a certain extreme rate… It's just that they are "sailing" with slight wing on the sides of the ship and a few design alterations, like adding a rooster to the ram head.
It's not that big of a deal since it doesn't naturally "have" the same situation... The NASA argument was more extreme. Luffy and group never changed the keel or hulk of the ship, they only added a few things. I do agree the weight did affect the ship, but due to the ship being a ship, it's not as extreme as a shuttle
So its alright if the keel and hull of the ship remain same?? if so then Jimbei joining surely wont trigger the changing of those now would it…
About the Bearsy, it's her looking out for him, she's trying to make him look cute, like a mother telling someone to change their underwear or clothes. She's childish, after all.
Hogback did say she was reliable, which is proof enough.Responsible was a bad choice on my account I submit. I meant not-willing-to-put-life-at-risk. Sorry.
You don't get my point.
I tried to… I swear!!
Personality:
- Likes "cute" things a lot.
- Likes some scary and darker things, like spooky islands and such.
Likes sweets like bagel sandwiches and hot cocoa.
- Likes toys.
- Acts like she's very "in charge" and such… Best word would be bossy, but she's more so using that as a front.
- Very stubborn and childish, as in kiddy.
- Falls for things easily, like Usopp's gags.
- Scared of critters and bugs.
- Etc.
Things like that seem to suggest her as a very young and youthful woman. She's like Chopper because he is "kiddy" on the outside and serious when its needed, meanwhile, Perona is "acting serious" most of the time, but has the reverse come about. I've yet to see her actually get serious except when her body was in danger and she actually did basically attack as if her life was on the line.
Okay so this is uncertain right?? I mean her life was threatened so she attacked as if her life was on the line… DUH!! I meant stake your life for the sake of your friends.
As far as her being reliable, she's STATED as a fact that she's reliable and Hogback was surprised that the SH crew managed to have people get by her… Therefore, her loyalty isn't in question, nor her reliability since she's stated as fact that she is reliable.
Not arguing reliable.
Everything we saw of her from TB showed us that she is very professional, however, when that whole place went into chaos, Oda showed her as a fragile little girl, which shows that she's got a deep background, who is afraid of things. He turned her more human than others and you could feel for her, but then most people don't…
Thats the definition of coward.
She's not more of a coward, she just hasn't been shown with enough panel appearance showing her actually characterization, which isn't bad. You're judging her because of Oars basically appearing and her running away from Usopp when he chased after her… She said so that she was basically "confused" by his inability to take her ability and ran due to that. It's like how Enel first appeared and had such reactions when he fought "rubber" and such, he never expected something like that to happen, so he kept his distance and was cautious. Perona was the same in that sense...
Enel too was a coward, once he figured he couldn't beat Luffy, he basically tried his best to avoid him
We don't have enough "proof" to condemn her of being a coward.
From what we have been shown, it can be deduced.
She was shocked because there was a man that basically lived a lowly life, to her, it's something remarkable. So, she basically felt for him, and she said so herself that she got carried away by his way of life.
I don't know… I think she was trying to encourage him so her ghosts would work...
The rest, they don't matter what she did, she still acted upon the chance that someone could kill her and she took them on… rather than run away from him, which says that she's confident and firm in her ability and she did risk her life and stake it on that situation. Even if she had an advantage, she basically stayed rather than hide from Usopp, she returned to continue, rather than escape after seeing him.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/461/17/
What she says here clearly illustrates that until now she couldn't imagine anyone being immune to her attacks (which incidentally render anyone harmless). This is not risking life!!
Sure, she's shown as easily intimidated, but she's rebounded from many situations to attempt to fight. She's currently 0-2 in her fights, concerning One on Ones, but she hasn't shown that she's incapable of "risking" her own life since we've never seen her entire history.
Again from what we have seen, she can be deduced a coward.[/HIDE]
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He's trying to show that she actually cares about him and not to see the feelings she has for him as something that will just fizzle out. A lot of the time he has used her feelings as comedy, but he's obviously making sure people see it as something serious as well, and that Luffy x Robin/Nami/Vivi or a myriad of other girls is not going to happen. She has risked a ton for him, jumped into his fights in rage, shown how much she cares for him whenever he gets hurt, and I think it was to genuinely have people realize that her feelings aren't just a running gag and that Luffy has his girl (even if he doesn't return her feelings, that we ever see at least). Just look at how much she was hyped, most beautiful woman in the world, incredibly powerful, she despises every man EXCEPT him, and is named the pirate empress. I mean doesn't that sound like the perfect girl for the pirate king?
You could argue the SAME THING for any of the others… It's all subjunctive and such, he may just be putting it into character or basically making a mockery of her.
Oda can do whatever he wants with that, if she basically isn't shown to join or returned in the future, she's got nothing special.
People like the crew members are given higher chance in that department, Hancock is constant towards the One Sided and he may never visit her... It's the same argument for Vivi since she gets pirate panels with her and such... But, it's pretty pointless to debate this NOW since it's only able to happen at the end, Oda isn't making ROMANCE for the present, it's only possible in the epilogue.
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Just to add on, we don't have a definite location where she fought the Pacisfista and where she's at now… It is possible that she's on either of the two sides, regardless, hopefully it's confirmed next chapter, in like 2 weeks.
When we get the result of that, we'll have a clue about her having a dignified chance or not.
If she doesn't end up on the side Luffy's on, she's basically going to be a sporadic disease or rash that just won't go away, or a woman that is finally sent back to where she came from.
It's still not confirmed that she's being cast out yet. I wish Oda showed this, but he will probably keep on stalling. The truth of the matter is that Luffy is passed out, it seems. So we have a known fact that Luffy's bound to be inactive as they depart and will basically either be out of it when they leave MF or as they are leaving it... He still has to tell them to drop him off at SA, which is something he is still capable of and since they're heading towards escape, it's possible.
Otherwise, we're heading towards a time skip or location skip, where we are shown other things and Luffy is in WB's care, or his crew at least.
Wow, surprisingly I agree with most of this. For some reason I don't think they (Strawhats) won't meet up at SA, I don't know, something tells me we won't see the others for a while.
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You could argue the SAME THING for any of the others… It's all subjunctive and such, he may just be putting it into character or basically making a mockery of her.
Oda can do whatever he wants with that, if she basically isn't shown to join or returned in the future, she's got nothing special.
People like the crew members are given higher chance in that department, Hancock is constant towards the One Sided and he may never visit her… It's the same argument for Vivi since she gets pirate panels with her and such... But, it's pretty pointless to debate this NOW since it's only able to happen at the end, Oda isn't making ROMANCE for the present, it's only possible in the epilogue.No offense, I'd respond to this, but I've read a sentence or two out of your other posts, and you`re completely delusional. Also, this post is a bunch of gibberish. How do you know any of the things that I have highlighted? I'd respond to some of the other conclusions you've stated, but it'd be pointless.
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kmohyudin
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That would be fine. Thanks
The last we saw of Hogback and Absalom, they were with Moria. As for Perona's defection, well this might be a part of what we are debating so just leave it for now
Where's Moria?
We haven't seen him alive, so it's baseless to see that guy and then magically assume they'll meet.I'm not denying it as "impossible", just that its totally unlikely at this very moment.
Why not use a random new world pirate or some "silver medalist" or whatever… Why Moria?? Simple... to INTRODUCE HIM. This was his introduction, he is the first canon new world failure we've seen... If he is in fact like luffy (as you said, I don't agree) then he should share his tenacity and will be trying again.
Because he is foreshadowing Kaidou. That's why. Kaidou defeated one of the highest bounty people in the world, so that means that Kaidou will face Luffy in the future… If my hunch is correct, it's basically totally connected with Kaidou and then Oda will have a character introduced that will lead towards a Kaidou arc/ saga.
Kaidou is very close to the FI and he just fought, so chances of Luffy and him fighting is extremely high.
So its alright if the keel and hull of the ship remain same?? if so then Jimbei joining surely wont trigger the changing of those now would it…
I'm still suspicious about the whole design of the ship, it's why I'm not too focused on Jinbei's size issue, I'm just leaving it in the open. But, the fact is that all of the ship is connected to one piece of wood, and that's the keel. It means, that the keel is the life of the ship, and to change the things connected to it, it'll also reduce that life.
You don't have to accept it.
Responsible was a bad choice on my account I submit. I meant not-willing-to-put-life-at-risk. Sorry.
I tried to… I swear!!
Okay so this is uncertain right?? I mean her life was threatened so she attacked as if her life was on the line... DUH!! I meant stake your life for the sake of your friends.She's basically not been in a position to show this, it's totally baseless speculation concerning this.
I can't do it because she's been shown in situations where she's been either alone, or totally without anything.
You could stretch that she staked her life against Kuma because he attacked her zombies that were near her, or something else…
She's never been in a position of that sort, so there's nothing for me to do. Unless, you assume Luffy was basically a threat to her group and she took him on, which is pretty pathetic.
There's nothing there in my humble opinion that can be read as this since she's never shown to be with a group in that situation.
Not arguing reliable.Thats the definition of coward.
Dude, being a coward isn't bad. We've got many in the crew already.
Enel too was a coward, once he figured he couldn't beat Luffy, he basically tried his best to avoid him
He's not a coward. He didn't avoid fighting him out of fear, it was out of necessity since he didn't need to fight him when the Maxim was afloat.
From what we have been shown, it can be deduced.
I don't know… I think she was trying to encourage him so her ghosts would work...
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/461/17/
What she says here clearly illustrates that until now she couldn't imagine anyone being immune to her attacks (which incidentally render anyone harmless). This is not risking life!!She's still doing something to risk her life, it's word breakdown. Even if a man is immune to fire, if he keeps on doing something with fire, he's taking a risk.
She even said that she got carried away.
Again from what we have seen, she can be deduced a coward.
And? So can Usopp, Nami, and Chopper, as well as Brook… What's the point?
Coward is extremely vague. If you like, show me proof where there's no way a coward can join... It's not there.
[/hide]Wow, surprisingly I agree with most of this. For some reason I don't think they (Strawhats) won't meet up at SA, I don't know, something tells me we won't see the others for a while.
I'm hateful of time skip and such, so I hope that Luffy ends up on SA rather than the NW since it'll make things complicated for future reference and such… I just hope that Luffy is left on SA in some extent.
I'm pretty positive that a week or at least two weeks will pass before we see the SH members fully together, Usopp needs to create a raft since it's in that region and such, so it'll take him some time to create one.
No offense, I'd respond to this, but I've read a sentence or two out of your other posts, and you`re completely delusional. Also, this post is a bunch of gibberish. How do you know any of the things that I have highlighted? I'd respond to some of the other conclusions you've stated, but it'd be pointless.
Because of an interview where Oda stated that the Manga won't focus on Shoujo themes, aka romance. If he does do that, it'll be shown in the epilogue due to that focus that he says he will avoid…
he didn't state that there won't be ROMANCE in the end, but he did state it won't be in the present.
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Where's Moria?
We haven't seen him alive, so it's baseless to see that guy and then magically assume they'll meet.I'm not denying it as "impossible", just that its totally unlikely at this very moment.
Moria is in Marineford!! And the last we saw of him, he was alive… I don't think this is what you are trying to say though... So I need rephrasing...
Because he is foreshadowing Kaidou. That's why. Kaidou defeated one of the highest bounty people in the world, so that means that Kaidou will face Luffy in the future… If my hunch is correct, it's basically totally connected with Kaidou and then Oda will have a character introduced that will lead towards a Kaidou arc/ saga.
Kaidou is very close to the FI and he just fought, so chances of Luffy and him fighting is extremely high.
I agree with the second para. As for the Kaidou foreshadowing thing, I stated that already so I know. So, Moria (a Sichibukai) was used JUST to foreshadow another character… There is something a miss here.
Remember we are arguing that Moria's will remain in the story till new world and so will all the other Sichibukai including Hancock.
I'm still suspicious about the whole design of the ship, it's why I'm not too focused on Jinbei's size issue, I'm just leaving it in the open. But, the fact is that all of the ship is connected to one piece of wood, and that's the keel. It means, that the keel is the life of the ship, and to change the things connected to it, it'll also reduce that life.
I don't think either of us is expert at ship building… Franky is, just leave this to him!!
You don't have to accept it.
I know… so is this argument over?? Who won?
She's basically not been in a position to show this, it's totally baseless speculation concerning this.
So, its possible she is a putting life on the for nakama and its also possible she is not??
I can't do it because she's been shown in situations where she's been either alone, or totally without anything.
I agree
You could stretch that she staked her life against Kuma because he attacked her zombies that were near her, or something else…
That is a stretch
She's never been in a position of that sort, so there's nothing for me to do. Unless, you assume Luffy was basically a threat to her group and she took him on, which is pretty pathetic.
Agreed
There's nothing there in my humble opinion that can be read as this since she's never shown to be with a group in that situation.
Case closed
Dude, being a coward isn't bad. We've got many in the crew already.
So you agree she is a coward??
He's not a coward. He didn't avoid fighting him out of fear, it was out of necessity since he didn't need to fight him when the Maxim was afloat
He threw him overboard while knowing he wouldn't die just so he could put some distance between them. From there on he avoided him. A coward.
She's still doing something to risk her life, it's word breakdown. Even if a man is immune to fire, if he keeps on doing something with fire, he's taking a risk.
She even said that she got carried away.
She is not doing this to risk her life… she is doing this because her life is at risk!!
And? So can Usopp, Nami, and Chopper, as well as Brook… What's the point?
Nothing, just that I am pleased that we have at least established that she is a coward… we can work from here.
Coward is extremely vague. If you like, show me proof where there's no way a coward can join… It's not there.
Certainly… Being coward is not bad in itself. Problem arises when a person is coward enough to put the life of others at risk. Take Usopp for example, he was really afraid of Miss Merry Christmas but as soon as he heard her making fun of Luffy's dream, he stopped running, and then steadied his resolve and ultimately defeated her. Nami: fought with Miss Double Finger FOR Vivi's sake. Chopper: Fought 3 Priests!!!
Now, lets take Perona.
She has been with Moria for 10 years and when Oars started rampaging she RAN. Maybe she knew Moria could take care of himself, but what about Hogback? That dude had NO FIGHTING ABILITIES at all. Did she even considered his life was in danger?? Thats not a friend.[/hide]
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Here is what I didn't argue before.When Love Sickness was introduced, it was described as a virus. If you look up the word, it's impossible for "love" to create some disease since love is intangible. However, when you use the literal phrase, Love is able to "lead" towards that… But it's all in their heads, like an illusion. That one confirms that it isn't even serious. Furthermore, the thing that basically had happened which caused death was the refusal of eating, as the lady commented on. She did state "Hancock doesn't want to eat" and such, which suggests that this is all caused by Hancock's own irresponsibility and stupidity. Furthermore, Nyon survived it. Which leads to stating that it's all a figment of their imagination and couldn't even harm a fly.
So, it's subjunctive if you want to believe in that "virus" being fatal, because I refuse to accept something so obvious as "fatal" when it isn't.
No, no, no I didn't mean "Fatal Love Sickness"… I meant "Love Sickness" in general. Here we have Oda claiming multiple times that romance will not exist in one piece and then doing something like this. Doesn't make sense. There were probably a million ways to make Hancock an ally of Luffy but Oda chose EXPLICIT LOVE. Then he goes on to describe time and time again how much "Beloved" Luffy is to Hancock... Why?
I am not saying Luffy will marry Boa, I am not really arguing Boa will join either at the moment just that the element of love is present and unresolved at the moment.
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Moria is in Marineford!! And the last we saw of him, he was alive… I don't think this is what you are trying to say though... So I need rephrasing...
I think that Curiel killed him. Or something, knowing Moria, he's been getting his ass whooped every time.
I agree with the second para. As for the Kaidou foreshadowing thing, I stated that already so I know. So, Moria (a Sichibukai) was used JUST to foreshadow another character… There is something a miss here.
Remember we are arguing that Moria's will remain in the story till new world and so will all the other Sichibukai including Hancock.
Moria will remain in the story before the New World, after that, he'll be appearing in a cameo or something.
Yes, he was only used to foreshadow a Yonkou, just to show the level that the future opponent held, Oda gave us a small glimpse of the power of a Yonkou, since we didn't know it back then.
I don't think either of us is expert at ship building… Franky is, just leave this to him!!
Alright…
I know… so is this argument over?? Who won?
So, its possible she is a putting life on the for nakama and its also possible she is not??Yes, she "could" do it and such… We've never been shown her background and therefore we don't have any proof against it or for it. It's just "maybe" for the rest of the manga, until it's shown.
I agree
That is a stretch
Agreed
Case closedIt's not like it stops her from being a candidate, that's false. I'm just saying, it's currently "unknown" for either side.
So you agree she is a coward??
Yeah, but it's not bad.
He threw him overboard while knowing he wouldn't die just so he could put some distance between them. From there on he avoided him. A coward.
It wasn't that, he was cautious…He did fight him at the end, it's not like he avoided him. He felt that Luffy was just worthless to fight, so rather than take that time, he could just continue with his plan and he did... Luffy charged and stopped him.
She is not doing this to risk her life… she is doing this because her life is at risk!!
It's still the same thing, she could have been a coward and cooperated with Kuma out of fear, but she didn't.
Nothing, just that I am pleased that we have at least established that she is a coward… we can work from here.
Once again, it's not important if she's a coward… We have them on the crew. It's not hurting her in any sense.
Certainly… Being coward is not bad in itself. Problem arises when a person is coward enough to put the life of others at risk. Take Usopp for example, he was really afraid of Miss Merry Christmas but as soon as he heard her making fun of Luffy's dream, he stopped running, and then steadied his resolve and ultimately defeated her. Nami: fought with Miss Double Finger FOR Vivi's sake. Chopper: Fought 3 Priests!!!
Yes, I know… Obviously, Perona hasn't been placed in such a situation, if you feel otherwise, prove it. She's never been shown towards being in that sense of position.
Now, lets take Perona.
She has been with Moria for 10 years and when Oars started rampaging she RAN. Maybe she knew Moria could take care of himself, but what about Hogback? That dude had NO FIGHTING ABILITIES at all. Did she even considered his life was in danger?? Thats not a friend.
He was told to her that he was stomped on by Oars. Think about that, he was dead to her.
Same with Absolam, Oda might have left a loophole, but Perona should have assumed that Absolam died too since last she heard of him, she heard he was at the chapel with the General Zombies that were defeated by Oars.
She ran because she basically thought Usopp killed her, and she saw Oars doing what he did just now searching for a girl, she freaked.
So, when you consider this, it's basically supposed to be read that she thought they were both dead. And Moria was basically being chased by others and when Kuma came, she could reach the conclusion that Kuma was there to kill Moria.
In other words, she might think "now" that TB is destroyed due to all the stuff going on. After all, she only saw the situation from far away and noticed things weren't silent… She feared the chaos.
[/hide]No, no, no I didn't mean "Fatal Love Sickness"… I meant "Love Sickness" in general. Here we have Oda claiming multiple times that romance will not exist in one piece and then doing something like this. Doesn't make sense. There were probably a million ways to make Hancock an ally of Luffy but Oda chose EXPLICIT LOVE. Then he goes on to describe time and time again how much "Beloved" Luffy is to Hancock... Why?
I am not saying Luffy will marry Boa, I am not really arguing Boa will join either at the moment just that the element of love is present and unresolved at the moment.
It's a plot device, does it matter why he did it? No. The fact is that you call these things plot devices, such as you call logposes plot devices and many other things the same thing.
Second, what she says never matters, I treat her like a crazy woman… So, that stuff is basically satire or worse, it's totally unimportant towards plot at all. The fact remains that she's done her fair share of being Plot Device up to this current chapter... If she's needed for future purposes, Oda will inform the readers and we'll know of it.
I can't remember any.
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Well after seein this huge ass hole after WB splitted the island… I can say even more... goodbye Boa... She is on the wrong half
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Well after seein this huge ass hole after WB splitted the island… I can say even more... goodbye Boa... She is on the wrong half
we don't now yet,i believe in that panel she is riding her snake and i think she will go where Luffy is.
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I'm going to laugh so hard when she meets up with him after the war. it's too bad that I'll be laughing to myself, as everyone who is now deeming the situation "impossible" will have forgotten about that.
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Hancock's status as a Warlord is the only thing standing between AL and a buster call but sure she's gonna join for the lulz.
Who gives a shit about those bitches ?
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@ AGOG
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@AGOG:kmohyudinI think that Curiel killed him. Or something, knowing Moria, he's been getting his ass whooped every time.
When did this happen?
Moria will remain in the story before the New World, after that, he'll be appearing in a cameo or something.
You are stating this as a fact??
Yes, he was only used to foreshadow a Yonkou, just to show the level that the future opponent held, Oda gave us a small glimpse of the power of a Yonkou, since we didn't know it back then.
Again you are stating this as a fact…
Yes, she "could" do it and such… We've never been shown her background and therefore we don't have any proof against it or for it. It's just "maybe" for the rest of the manga, until it's shown.
Okay, so until it is known or proven to be true it can't be used in an argument in favor of her.
It's not like it stops her from being a candidate, that's false. I'm just saying, it's currently "unknown" for either side.
But of course…
Yeah, but it's not bad.
I said that too.
It wasn't that, he was cautious…He did fight him at the end, it's not like he avoided him. He felt that Luffy was just worthless to fight, so rather than take that time, he could just continue with his plan and he did... Luffy charged and stopped him.
Luffy had the UPPER hand in their fight on Maxim…
He got a lucky chance, utilized it to incapacitate Luffy for a short period by placing a Gold Ball on his hand...
He then proceeded to AVOID Luffy's confrontation and didn't accept his challenge...
Afterwards when it was unavoidable to face him he immediately went to HIS STRONGEST FORM (for someone "worthless" according to you) and consequently lost...
This is how a coward fights.
It's still the same thing, she could have been a coward and cooperated with Kuma out of fear, but she didn't.
She thought she could beat him… you see she is also overconfident.
Once again, it's not important if she's a coward… We have them on the crew. It's not hurting her in any sense.
I addressed that already.
Yes, I know… Obviously, Perona hasn't been placed in such a situation, if you feel otherwise, prove it. She's never been shown towards being in that sense of position.
In what type of situation? Where she thought her friends were in danger?? (Lets make this point 'A' for reference)
He was told to her that he was stomped on by Oars. Think about that, he was dead to her.
So, she didn't thought of confirming this?? Imagine Luffy falls into the ocean…
Everybody: lets save Luffy
Perona: Leave him, he is dead...Same with Absolam, Oda might have left a loophole, but Perona should have assumed that Absolam died too since last she heard of him, she heard he was at the chapel with the General Zombies that were defeated by Oars.
When your friend is in trouble you don't just assume he is dead… You confirm it. Now refer to point 'A'... She has been in a situation like this...
She ran because she basically thought Usopp killed her, and she saw Oars doing what he did just now searching for a girl, she freaked.
Huh!? Don't understand rephrase please.
So, when you consider this, it's basically supposed to be read that she thought they were both dead. And Moria was basically being chased by others and when Kuma came, she could reach the conclusion that Kuma was there to kill Moria.
In other words, she might think "now" that TB is destroyed due to all the stuff going on. After all, she only saw the situation from far away and noticed things weren't silent… She feared the chaos.
And this my friend is called betrayal.
It's a plot device, does it matter why he did it? No. The fact is that you call these things plot devices, such as you call logposes plot devices and many other things the same thing.
It does!! By this argument it doesn't matter that Zoro was sent to the same location as Perona, its a plot device…
Second, what she says never matters, I treat her like a crazy woman… So, that stuff is basically satire or worse, it's totally unimportant towards plot at all. The fact remains that she's done her fair share of being Plot Device up to this current chapter… If she's needed for future purposes, Oda will inform the readers and we'll know of it.
I don't understand… surely you have a better reason then just saying she is a crazy woman...
Satire? Then why is it in this manga??
If its unimportant towards plot of the manga then why emphasize it? Oda is not making sense...[/hide]
@ Urouge
I've trying to figure it out for quite some time now that who do you think will join??
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Jimbei's chances IMO are getting better, the unknown member of BBs crew looks like a fishman IMO (the horns and his arms look to be scaly) as well as he being the one that is getting Luffy out of there. I still think Boa has a shot but she might be on the opposite side of the island
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Jimbei's chances IMO are getting better, the unknown member of BBs crew looks like a fishman IMO (the horns and his arms look to be scaly) as well as he being the one that is getting Luffy out of there. I still think Boa has a shot but she might be on the opposite side of the island
if boa has a shot she doesnt have to escape with luffy she could just go to FI and wait for the SH to show up but u still have to resolve the issues with her title and someone protecting the island
likewise jinbei escaping with luffy doesnt mean he will be a SH he might stay at FI when they inevitably go there
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I was originally pulling for Hancock, since I thought she had the most chance, but after seeing Blackbeard reappear this chapter, damn I hate that guy.
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Well after seein this huge ass hole after WB splitted the island… I can say even more... goodbye Boa... She is on the wrong half
Too early to say that.
Every panel with her in the last chapters show nothing of the background. Latest chapter had her obviously running (check the "moving" background). How can you figure she's on the wrong half?
Also, I'm pretty sure that snake can carry her while swimming.
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Also, I'm pretty sure that snake can carry her while swimming.
Just how desperate are you to see that groupie join anyway ?
Just kidding.
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@Chopper:
if boa has a shot she doesnt have to escape with luffy she could just go to FI and wait for the SH to show up but u still have to resolve the issues with her title and someone protecting the island
Yeah this is what I have been thinking. I stayed with her having to leave with Luffy and getting her title stripped on the spot because I was still holding out for one of my other predictions but at this point unless something happens later on, id say that prediction is gone. The prediction was that 'eventually' the marine HQ would blame her for getting Luffy into Impel Down, but I said a long time ago around when they blamed it on Buggy and Luffy that something drastic would need to happen to make that come true XD.
After this latest chapter I changed my thoughts on the matter. She won't be going with Luffy on the ship, she will keep her title for the moment only to lose it a crucial point later on in another arc. She is clearly worried for his life so I doubt she will just head back to AL, she will seek him out keeping her title in tact and help him from the background. This stalls any 'judgment' for AL and still keeps her around, not because I want her to be, but because quite frankly her story is clearly not done yet, especially with the Tenryuubito an fishman island coming up (which thanks to her history of being a slave also has significance thanks to Tiger the adventurer).
Also I changed my mind on a couple of other things as well after this latest chapter. I now see it actually 'possible' for two shichibukai (although eventually former) to join the crew which is part of the other reason I was reluctant for Jinbei joining because I was still predicting Hancock. With Blackbeards new crew reveal its become obvious more than ever just how out matched the current strawhat crew is for the new world. They need some new notorious crew members to try and at least balance the absurd recruiting BB has done.
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@ Urouge
I've trying to figure it out for quite some time now that who do you think will join??
40-50% on Jinbei.
5-10% on Hancock.Also I changed my mind on a couple of other things as well after this latest chapter. I now see it actually 'possible' for two shichibukai (although eventually former) to join the crew which is part of the other reason I was reluctant for Jinbei joining because I was still predicting Hancock. With Blackbeards new crew reveal its become obvious more than ever just how out matched the current strawhat crew is for the new world. They need some new notorious crew members to try and at least balance the absurd recruiting BB has done.
Damn, you snagged the next arguing point I had planned to use on that matter. :sad:
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Originally Posted by Croy
Also I changed my mind on a couple of other things as well after this latest chapter. I now see it actually 'possible' for two shichibukai (although eventually former) to join the crew which is part of the other reason I was reluctant for Jinbei joining because I was still predicting Hancock. With Blackbeards new crew reveal its become obvious more than ever just how out matched the current strawhat crew is for the new world. They need some new notorious crew members to try and at least balance the absurd recruiting BB has done.Damn, you snagged the next arguing point I had planned to use on that matter. :sad:
That is not an arguing point.
The SHs have always been the underdog type that are currently creating their legends/infamy whether you're talking about strength or notoriety.
It's what makes what Zoro and Sanji said to Kuma at TB so badass.
Oda's not going to make this a pissing match just so they can keep up with BB and his crew. As already said in many ways BB's crew are polar opposites of the SHs. No problem in getting unknown/rookie ppl that are just as good or have the potential to be better. They don't need to balance shit with what BB is doing crew member wise, absurd or not.
Before anyone else brings up Robin she's only known for breaking a law that common ppl don't even know why it shouldn't be broken and allegedly taking out Buster Call ships. She aint no legend and her infamy doesn't trump a shichibukai.
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40-50% on Jinbei.
5-10% on Hancock.Damn, you snagged the next arguing point I had planned to use on that matter. :sad:
After these last couple of chapters of unexpected brutality for OP I can no longer eliminate the possibility of AL ending up like Ohara, although I can't say whether or not Oda will take things that far but facts remain that Hancock has already betrayed the WG and there must be a reason for Oda depicting Smoker and Sentoumaru taking note of this.
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I was originally pulling for Hancock, since I thought she had the most chance, but after seeing Blackbeard reappear this chapter, damn I hate that guy.
Me too. I used have a decent respect for Blackbeard, and him not appearing in the war would at least kept some of my respect but now I believe him as this now: Blackbeard = Hercule + Sasuke.
Sorry for the rant. You guys can go back on topic now.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
That is not an arguing point.
The SHs have always been the underdog type that are currently creating their legends/infamy whether you're talking about strength or notoriety.
It's what makes what Zoro and Sanji said to Kuma at TB so badass.
Oda's not going to make this a pissing match just so they can keep up with BB and his crew. As already said in many ways BB's crew are polar opposites of the SHs. No problem in getting unknown/rookie ppl that are just as good or have the potential to be better. They don't need to balance shit with what BB is doing crew member wise, absurd or not.
Before anyone else brings up Robin she's only known for breaking a law that common ppl don't even know why it shouldn't be broken and allegedly taking out Buster Call ships. She aint no legend and her infamy doesn't trump a shichibukai.
The argument had nothing to do with "keeping up". It was against people who were claiming it was unreasonable for the crew to get a Warlord because they're too strong and the other crews wouldn't be able to keep up. Clearly, after seeing BB's crew, that is total BS.
After these last couple of chapters of unexpected brutality for OP I can no longer eliminate the possibility of AL ending up like Ohara, although I can't say whether or not Oda will take things that far but facts remain that Hancock has already betrayed the WG and there must be a reason for Oda depicting Smoker and Sentoumaru taking note of this.
I've run through a bunch of possibilities. But I still can't deny the possibility that she simply gets out of it with her "always forgiven" character trait.
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Before anyone else brings up Robin she's only known for breaking a law that common ppl don't even know why it shouldn't be broken and allegedly taking out Buster Call ships. She aint no legend and her infamy doesn't trump a shichibukai.
The level of infamy is relative. They weren't all nobodies, like your post implies, as different (particularly more recent) members have had varied levels of infamy prior to their meeting. Zoro was a well known bounty hunter whose fame stretched into the Grand Line. Robin is a world renowned criminal, regardless of what you say, and is still known as the "Demon of Ohara". She also served below a Warlord as second in command and had been a pirate herself before that. Sanji is the apprentice and successor if you will of a well known retired pirate. Franky was an apprentice of a legendary shipwright, and wanted for his own crimes (but thought dead). Brook had a bounty that was the same as Luffy's a good ways into the Grand Line, was a former captain, and apparently had even more history as the leader of some unnamed kingdom's battle convoy. To have one new member who is on the same level of notoriety as Luffy – whose infamy is growing by the second -- is nothing in comparison to the S-Class criminals that Blackbeard has just recruited, and wouldn't really affect this supposed "underdog" requirement people tack on new memebers. At least, no more than Brook, Franky, or Robin did.
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The argument had nothing to do with "keeping up". It was against people who were claiming it was unreasonable for the crew to get a Warlord because they're too strong and the other crews wouldn't be able to keep up. Clearly, after seeing BB's crew, that is total BS.
So ppl were saying the SHs can't get a shihci because they'd be too strong for BB's crew? Was that the argument?
NVM then cuz that's just a stupid argument.
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80-90% on Sentoumaru :ninja:
Silly Ivotas, he would never fit through the doors!
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
So ppl were saying the SHs can't get a shihci because they'd be too strong for BB's crew? Was that the argument?
NVM then cuz that's just a stupid argument.
For the "rival crews", was the exact argument.
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The argument had nothing to do with "keeping up". It was against people who were claiming it was unreasonable for the crew to get a Warlord because they're too strong and the other crews wouldn't be able to keep up. Clearly, after seeing BB's crew, that is total BS.
That's BS only if the strawhats were to face the BB pirates in the next arc.
If like many believe the BB pirates are the strwhats' final ennemies or close to it then AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit Zik's argument makes perfect sense.I've run through a bunch of possibilities. But I still can't deny the possibility that she simply gets out of it with her "always forgiven" character trait.
You're starting to see the light. Good.
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That's BS only if the strawhats were to face the BB pirates in the next arc.
If like many believe the BB pirates are the strwhats' final ennemies or close to it then AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit Zik's argument makes perfect sense.The fact of the matter is that the BB pirates, who are a rival crew to the SH's, have 3 level 6-class pirates (where the Warlords went), and a former warden who was told to be as strong as Magellan. The idea that a Warlord would make the crew too strong is silly in comparison.
You're starting to see the light. Good.
That… has always been my argument.
My bad…
80-85% on Sentoumaru. :devil:
Oh yes, much better!
