My prediction is Oda is going to do something entirely unpredictable and screw us guessing fans over like he usually does
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A Paradox!?! DON~!!
Chapter 523 "Hell" Discussion
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So was Enies Lobby and we know how that ended.
Anyway, I really don't think Oda would set Luffy up another defeat like that. But I don't think he'll succeed as simply as just busting Ace out of ID either. My prediction is Oda is going to do something entirely unpredictable and screw us guessing fans over like he usually does
I've certainly never seen this prediction before.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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Negative. I always leave secrets in my reason for editing. It's like a hobby. Only Crossword and a few others seem to ever notice though.
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I've mentioned it in passing before a while ago but the premise for what's going down right now is exactly like the 1st season of Prison Break more so than what I use to speculate before I knew if Luffy was going to go after Ace. I wonder if Oda watches the show? If it has any influence on him I could really look forward to this saga. I know Luffy won't become a genius like Scofield but the right (new or old)characters that get involved can make this great when the anime catches up.
The first subject is Garp, we know that he went to "talk" with Rayleigh
No we don't. We know that Garp said he'd handle the situation himself without letting any other marines know, especially Sengoku. this could all be foiled since Kizaru fought him but given what I remember about the past chaps it takes a marine ship roughly 4 days to get to Id, right? So for all we know Garp went straight to ID. His plans for keeping Ray a secret is already messed up due to Kizau, he may talk or fight with him later.
Also we can assume Kizaru is on his way to ID, then again he may not even be the one escorting them there.
I wouldn't mind it though cuz it'd be more likely Kizaru against Hancock than Luffy, he'd just get pwnd.
I am really hoping we don't see another big Luffy defeat.
Why not? the huge defeats of Luffy are what throw this story in to the next level in regards to him. Plus with every big defeat Luffy takes it atleast separates him from other shounen protagonists slightly and Oda from other mangaka somewhat. If Oda did that I think he'd have it planned out.
Either way, unless he comes up with the greatest plan ever, he's going straight into the lion's den with very low chances of success.
I'd just like to see a little mix of that, all it takes is for Luffy to bust up one jail cell in the right place for all hell to break lose letting out some badass. Luffy having slim chances just makes things that much better given it's done in typical Oda epicness.
Does that mean Hancock is using the time to just drop Luffy off and hope he gets out somehow, or will there be some race against time before the Marine ship leaves? Never mind the fact that both situations risk leaving Luffy or(and Hancock) stranded at Impel Down when the Marines pull ships so Ace can't escape.
Reading this makes me thing w/e plan Hancock or Luffy comes up with it will fuck up in a grandiose manner lol. If she's smart she'll leave him there or try to help for as long as she can. I know Sengoku said she was strong and a report back to him like "Sengoku sir! Hancock is going wild at Impel Down!!!" would be cool but it'd spell doom for her and her island. In these situations every option has a slim chance of success when you add the outside things they don't want to happen. It's not just saving Ace but saving him and making sure nobody thinks Hancock had anything to do with it along with making sure they get to safety and that Luffy doesn't overdo shit.
Not to mention it would be hard to imagine successfully writing a way out of the dungeon for him.
For you maybe. IMO Oda has set up nicely so that if Luffy fucked up and got captured and hell Hancock as well there are a couple other ppl that could directly or indirecty help/change that(Garp, WB pirates, Jinbei, Jinbei's crew if he has any, and the omnipotent & ubiquitous plot device Kuma).
When was that rule made? The only time I recall when Luffy lost twice is against Crocodile. (maybe it's just a difference in how we define defeats. still that's the only time that comes to mind at the moment for me.)
Oh didn't you know? On Ap Forums if it happens once it is an established pattern that is crediable to bring up in situations that do not apply. Geez lol
Anyway hopefully this does either end with a mass break out(like during da civil war in Marvel) or somehting prison breakish like although that's a long shot.
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Then hardly anyone notices mine.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@Zik:
Reading this makes me thing w/e plan Hancock or Luffy comes up with it will fuck up in a grandiose manner lol. If she's smart she'll leave him there or try to help for as long as she can. I know Sengoku said she was strong and a report back to him like "Sengoku sir! Hancock is going wild at Impel Down!!!" would be cool but it'd spell doom for her and her island. In these situations every option has a slim chance of success when you add the outside things they don't want to happen. It's not just saving Ace but saving him and making sure nobody thinks Hancock had anything to do with it along with making sure they get to safety and that Luffy doesn't overdo shit.
IDK if she would instantly lose her title because Jinbei still has his title and went crazy at Marine HQ and is sitting in ID right now.
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@dirt:
Then hardly anyone notices mine.
Interestingly enough I also always read other peoples' reasons for editing. I find a few people leave some quite humorous remarks. Now I am going to go look through mine. haha. Wait, that sounds awfully narcissistic. Meh.
On-Topic: Glad the Hancock 4 Nakama has died down a bit. Anyone curious how the flow of the next chapter will be? I mean I get the feeling it will swing full circle back to Luffy; Luffy –> Hancock / Momonga --> Sengoku --> Garp / Ace --> Missing Crew. Then again, I am hoping we will get either a shot of the Whitebeard and co, some of the "movement" from the New World pirates, or even a tidbit from Shanks or something. Rayleigh would be nice as well. IDK, since the focus shifted from Luffy I am curious as to whether it will remain elsewhere since I assume the chapter will start off with the focus still shifted (the remaining crew).
@Zik:
For you maybe.
Well of course. I'm not saying it's impossible. Just hard to imagine a successfully written escape. I like to think that I have a decent imagination and am creative enough to find some ideas that could be possible. With that situation, I find it to be more needlessly complicated than successful writing. Of course it is just my opinion though.
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Interestingly enough I also always read other peoples' reasons for editing. I find a few people leave some quite humorous remarks. Now I am going to go look through mine. haha. Wait, that sounds awfully narcissistic. Meh.
On-Topic: Glad the Hancock 4 Nakama has died down a bit. Anyone curious how the flow of the next chapter will be? I mean I get the feeling it will swing full circle back to Luffy; Luffy –> Hancock / Momonga --> Sengoku --> Garp / Ace --> Missing Crew. Then again, I am hoping we will get either a shot of the Whitebeard and co, some of the "movement" from the New World pirates, or even a tidbit from Shanks or something. Rayleigh would be nice as well. IDK, since the focus shifted from Luffy I am curious as to whether it will remain elsewhere since I assume the chapter will start off with the focus still shifted (the remaining crew).
I want more Garp and raped!Ace scenes, but Oda will DON with us, and not give it to us.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@dirt:
Oda will DON with us.
I see what you did there.
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It was a part of her "conditions"; It is still a secret or a surprise or some such that we have yet to see.
This is what I'm hoping it will turn out to be. I agree that this is a possibility and that Oda may have something brewing. BUT my gut tends to side with Zik in that it doesn't seem important enough to garner such attention and could simply be a weak thread.
Now, I somewhat disagree here. I know I mentioned this either earlier this thread or in the spoiler thread, but digging it up would be a pain. Addressing the issue, we know that Sengoku pulled the Admiral Akbar line, "It's a trap!" and wants everyone to be on alert because there is a possible attack on Impel Down as well as any other place. We also know that Hancock will reach Impel Down first, and Marineford second due to the way the Gates of Justice work. Lastly, the only "big name" we know of on ID right now is Garp. I want to remind that we are on a time frame here. Between now and say, the day of the execution, we know that Ace will be at ID and that there is a possible attack that will take place there (@ ID).
If you have 7 powerhouses, sure you would have a great advantage by having them all together, but which is better: a) Everyone together but the attack happens somewhere else or b) Split up for a time in case the attack happens at one place instead of the other so that they can gain some time to regroup by having a powerhouse 'hold the fort'. It is easier to defend, but if you have no one strong enough to defend then you will be destroyed before you can move your players into the right position. In the same sense, having Hancock (and possibly Jinbei) at Impel Down for a given amount of time could be in their favor if Whitebeard attacked ID. If Whitebeard attacked Marineford, then he will likely only do that once Ace is there. When will Ace be there? Likely only on the last day. So given that, why would it be an issue if Hancock was at ID until Ace is moved?
An excellent point but didn't Sengoku get the news about WB's movements after her participation was confirmed?
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Just hard to imagine a successfully written escape.
That's another thing it's not set in stone that there will be an escape in you get in, fight maybe, and then get out. They can be held up in there for a long while, only to be freed by a third party.
If the success part is only all of them getting away alive that'd be easy to write. I think the difficult part is where.
Like I said before the chances of Luffy getting out of there with Ace with or without Hancock are bleak anyway. Especially given all of the stipulations they don't want to break.
IDK if she would instantly lose her title because Jinbei still has his title and went crazy at Marine HQ and is sitting in ID right now.
Well the difference imo is that Jinbei is just being a wild loose cannon who is basically like fuck it I'm not helping yall a matter of fact I'm gonna whoop any marines ass who tries to get me to help. Hancock on the other hand is basically under minding everything it took to set this war up. She's undoing every thing BB did and the marines did to make sure they get victory by helping Luffy help Ace.
So Jinbei's just being reckless where as Hancock is betraying them for seemingly no reason since she doesn't(from what we know) have no connections with Ace or WB.
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An excellent point but didn't Sengoku get the news about WB's movements after her participation was confirmed?
He still knew there was a huge chance Whitey could move before the execution though.
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This is what I'm hoping it will turn out to be. I agree that this is a possibility and that Oda may have something brewing. BUT my gut tends to side with Zik in that it doesn't seem important enough to garner such attention and could simply be a weak thread.
Perhaps. Hopefully not though. It would appear that Oda skips certain events so he can go back to them eventually and fill in the blanks for us – but not always. In this case I don't see it as a huge deal either way, but I would like it if we heard her reasons for stopping. Actually, no I am fairly confident we will hear her reasons for stopping as long as Luffy isn't found out beforehand. Momonga will probably tell her to go do what she wanted to when they get there – likely stating her reasons, etc.
An excellent point but didn't Sengoku get the news about WB's movements after her participation was confirmed?
Yeah. Same thing applies though. As far as Sengoku was concerned, he had all eyes on Whitebeard and was either prepared for Whitebeard to attack Marineford once Ace arrived – to which Hancock had plenty of time to reach, pit stop at ID or no -- or Whitebeard makes a move elsewhere but Sengoku knows about the move because he had his eyes and ears on him. The major change in that scene takes place when he realizes that their eyes and ears are out of the picture and that Whitebeard could do anything at any place at any time. So either way it shouldn't be a big deal if she makes a pit stop. Either she is a helping hand when they need it, or she arrives (according to them) at Marineford before Ace does, and in turn before Whitebeard does.
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This is what I'm hoping it will turn out to be. I agree that this is a possibility and that Oda may have something brewing. BUT my gut tends to side with Zik in that it doesn't seem important enough to garner such attention and could simply be a weak thread.
An excellent point but didn't Sengoku get the news about WB's movements after her participation was confirmed?
So who do you think would get to their first Boa or WB.
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@dirt:
I've certainly never seen this prediction before.
Yet it's usually the only correct prediction:P
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I think Luffy facing a defeat wouldn't be so bad. Much better than him coming back and defeating a fairly high-tier character. Which would make what seemed like a "mountian they had to climb" (defeat in Sabaody and realization of the strength of thsoe in the New World) seem like a minor setback. Which they'll go off on their merry way without anymore issues. If the same thing happens again, you'll expect it to be another minor setback as opposed to a big deal.
If anything I'd hope Oda goes the route of Luffy not being the one to always bail them out. But having some of the crew sometimes taking out major opponents.
I just hope Oda does not produce any crap writing when it comes to another high-tier character, like he did with Gecko Moria vs Luffy.
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Yet it's usually the only correct prediction:P
orly thats very interesting
I'm also still thinking a bit about that Weatharia Sky Island. There's that orb thing it's sitting on … and maybe the balloons I see are modes of travel between it and the blue sea. Kind of glad that's where Nami ended up in fact. Otherwise, her Log Pose might've reset.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@dirt:
orly thats very interesting
I'm also still thinking a bit about that Weatharia Sky Island. There's that orb thing it's sitting on … and maybe the balloons I see are modes of travel between it and the blue sea. Kind of glad that's where Nami ended up in fact. Otherwise, her Log Pose might've reset.
I don't think it would reset. I think it would prob take like a year for it to change or something convenient like that.
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^^ Depending on the duration of her stay of course. But yeah. The orb that it is sitting on reminded me of Castle in the Sky.
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Besides the future island, I'm hoping Oda will reveal something else I've thought about before.
And that's an island where the Log Pose resets in a matter of hours - if not minutes. That's actually probably what Impel Down is now that I'm thinking about it. So, I hope, I hope, I hope.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@dirt:
Besides the future island, I'm hoping Oda will reveal something else I've thought about before.
And that's an island where the Log Pose resets in a matter of hours - if not minutes. That's actually probably what Impel Down is now that I'm thinking about it. So, I hope, I hope, I hope.
Impel Down is a Marine-built structure in the middle of the calm belt. It doesn't have a magnetic pull, or shouldn't, at least.
And the beginning of the Grand Line only took about an hour to set. They weren't messing around at Twin Capes for very long.
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And that's an island where the Log Pose resets in a matter of hours - if not minutes. That's actually probably what Impel Down is now that I'm thinking about it. So, I hope, I hope, I hope.
Is there more to this? or is it just an island where the log pose resets quickly? I think it's happen with in a few hours. Why do you think ID will be like that? I'm not even sure it's an island but just a huge rock formation in the sea that has prison built in and on it. It could just be a prison built from the sea up in some amazing way.
Kind of glad that's where Nami ended up in fact. Otherwise, her Log Pose might've reset.
Can't it still change depending how long that island rests log poses?
It won't be that much of an issue anyway since Camie and Hatchi will lead them to Fishman island if they have to.
So which SNs do you guys think will show up.
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@Fire Fist:
Impel Down is a Marine-built structure in the middle of the calm belt. It doesn't have a magnetic pull, or shouldn't, at least.
And the beginning of the Grand Line only took about an hour to set. They weren't messing around at Twin Capes for very long.
Then I want minutes.
And if you actually meant Whiskey Peak, they never specified how long the Log Pose took to reset.
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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whiskey peak was less than a day. that is the fastest we have had.
but it does not matter if her log pose resets to a new area or anything. As long as their ship's log does not reset it will still be pointing to fishman island.
So if their ship stays at shabondy until they get back to it they are fine. If Rayleigh takes their ship somewhere else, it is most likely still an island close. And pretty sure all 7 paths on the grand line all meet at fishman island. Since there is only one path to the new world.
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@dirt:
Then I want minutes.
And if you actually meant Whiskey Peak, they never specified how long the Log Pose took to reset.
No, not Whisky Peak. Twin Capes, the entrance to the Grand Line. The Log pose's initial setting to Whisky Peak took less than an hour. Remember, Luffy's "execution" was around Noon, they entered the Grand Line that evening, and arrived at Whisky Peak at night.
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@Zik:
So which SNs do you guys think will show up.
Luffy.
But seriously The group of supernovas that Kizaru beat up were in a pretty good position to get captured. If I remember, as far as we know Bonney and Bege got away clean right? And it seems reasonable that Kidd and Law could have gotten away. So Hawkins, Urouge, Drake, and Apoo seem like likely candidates if any show up.
I wonder who's guarding Impel Down other than grunt marines. Some bad-ass warden would be cool.
Is Luffy going to at least try to sneak into Impel Down, or is he just going to declare war on it like Enies Lobby? Then the shit'll really hit the fan.
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I would like to see Doberman again. With a name like that he might be in charge of Impel Down, just like Sentoumaru is in charge of the Kuma (since his name comes from some japanese freak who trained bears).
Garp vs Luffy is also the fight I'm looking forward the most. What a better way for Luffy to get to the new world than defeating his greatest fear.
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I wonder who's guarding Impel Down other than grunt marines. Some bad-ass warden would be cool.
Is Luffy going to at least try to sneak into Impel Down, or is he just going to declare war on it like Enies Lobby? Then the shit'll really hit the fan.
This situation is different from EL and screams for some covert like tactics, some laying low staying off the radar movement which I know is opposite of Luffy's style but if he jumps on top of a tower and screams out Ace's name he deserves to be shot in the head by a sea stone bullet.
I know this isn't real life but what's coming up calls for some realistic situations that aren't the regular old Luffy way lol. I mean think if a person was outside of a max security prison screaming their big brother's name and trying to punch down the door haha.
Maybe Oda makes Luffy do something like what Ace did when he snuck in the G2 marine base like a spy.
I'm hoping from scenes with the SNs where they praise Luffy for his crazy ass plan to break in to ID. I also hope we get a glimpse of the other NW pirates that are making moves around the world.
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I just hope Oda does not produce any crap writing when it comes to another high-tier character, like he did with Gecko Moria vs Luffy.
You would know when it comes to crap writing, wouldn't you?
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I wonder who's guarding Impel Down other than grunt marines. Some bad-ass warden would be cool.
Spandine is gonna be the Warden, all with his enforcers, the guys we saw in Robin's flashbacks. Lord knows, if those guys aren't in CP9, they're probably gods somewhere by now, so it would make the most sense to me for them to be Impel Down Torturers/Enforcers.
These guys:
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Hinscher does the Thousand Sunny really have it's own logpose? I must have missed that. That's kinda cool. =)
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well looking through the manga is a bitch to do when i don't have chapters downloaded except non animated ones.
But not sure if you will like this post, but check 328 (yea i know its filler episode) at like 5:04 and you can see a log pose sitting right in front of the steering helm thing. which makes sense, be the perfect place to put it.
I'll try and find a better example like manga for sure, but not sure if find it quickly or not
here you can see it in front of the helm in these two pages. though you can't see the needle, it is pretty obvious if you look at the anime example i showed that it is a pose
http://img60.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000491/13.jpg
http://img60.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000491/17.jpga few pages back i posted this about the same topic being discussed on nami being somewhere so her log won't reset
Edit: was looking at pics of the blue prints of thousand sunny. And looks like the anime made a mistake.
Read the captions for the Waver http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/8/8b/Thousand_Sunny_pg.192-193.jpg
Franky wasn't the one that remodeled it. Nami did, and franky was mad at her for it. -
@Zik:
Can't it still change depending how long that island rests log poses?
No, because she's on a Sky Island, and they don't have whatever magnetic field is necessary to attract/reset Log Poses.
but it does not matter if her log pose resets to a new area or anything. As long as their ship's log does not reset it will still be pointing to fishman island.
I need to squint at scans of Oda's breakdown of Sunny again.
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@Fire Fist:
Spandine is gonna be the Warden, all with his enforcers, the guys we saw in Robin's flashbacks. Lord knows, if those guys aren't in CP9, they're probably gods somewhere by now, so it would make the most sense to me for them to be Impel Down Torturers/Enforcers.
These guys:
Hmmm… would they be super soldiers like the former cp9 we know, or did Rokushiki come after them? Another arc with Rokushiki soldiers... sounds like a bit much to me.
Dang it, One Piece wiki claims that Spandine "disappeared" around 8 years ago and his whereabouts are unknown, but I can't find it anywhere in the manga.
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Wouldn't a log pose on the ship never reset? I guess you're still technically above an island in shallow water, but couldn't you just sit on your ship then instead of going ashore?
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You would know when it comes to crap writing.
Yeah, it was crap writing.
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No, because she's on a Sky Island, and they don't have whatever magnetic field is necessary to attract/reset Log Poses.
Then how did they get to Skypeia? Wasn't the log pose pointing up to the island?
Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
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@Zik:
Then how did they get to Skypeia? Wasn't the log pose pointing up to the island?
Yeah, the island which was made of dirt. It doesn't do anything on islands made of clouds.
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@Zik:
Then how did they get to Skypeia? Wasn't the log pose pointing up to the island?
Because long ago part of Jaya had been launched into the sky and the log pose locked onto that. It wouldn't lock onto a normal sky island that's just made of cloud.
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Because long ago part of Jaya had been launched into the sky and the log pose locked onto that. It wouldn't lock onto a normal sky island that's just made of cloud.
Oh I just figured they had their own magnetic fields. Thanks for the clarification but what confuses me then is if it locked on to piece of Jaya how come it didn't switch or reset when they got to the island of Jaya on the blue sea? Wouldn't they have the same magnetic field? or because it got shot up in the sky something changed it?
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The magnetic field apparently changed after time.
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Edit: was looking at pics of the blue prints of thousand sunny. And looks like the anime made a mistake.
Read the captions for the Waver http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/8/8b/Thousand_Sunny_pg.192-193.jpg
Franky wasn't the one that remodeled it. Nami did, and franky was mad at her for it.Whoever translated that is the one that made the mistake. It was Nami's waver, and Franky was the one designing the ship, so Nami was mad at Franky for remodeling it.
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@Zik:
Then how did they get to Skypeia? Wasn't the log pose pointing up to the island?
The log pose was probably pointing at upper yard.
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Thank god Clouds have no magnetic force =D
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God I wish someone would punch Nami in the face before the series is over (someone strong enough to destroy Sanji with relative ease). See how that bitch likes it.
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Skull Kid, I always felt the exact same way. I hate how Luffy, the captain just takes that, when he could easily dodge, block, or punish her. Even I don't approve of this shit. Its like she hits the very ones that she knows won't do anything.
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Nami just needs a battle without fan service seriously. All her major battles had her enemies just standing there, give a few scratches here or there, then proceeds to get get raped. No need for a super human punch from someone like WB or someone with super strength.
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Jeez, what's with all this nami hating? D=
I like her. She's a cool character, imo.
She gives punches when people are stupid. Lord knows if it wouldn't get me in deep shit 8 times over I'd do it more often than I do. Stupid laws.Besides, Nami ALWAYS gets stuck with the leftovers. Luffy and Zoro and Sanji and Franky always rush in to fight the most powerful guys, sticking Nami, Usopp, and Chopper to fight what's left over.
