Whoa, awesome spotting of that map! Ivotas, can you scan that page in HQ for me? I would love to add it to the first page. That's from chapter 220 or something, right? Before Jaya?
One Piece Geography
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Wow, that's very interesting, I wonder if it will come into play. Maybe with the Tequila Wolf angle?
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So if you get through the calm belt from west or north blue you can get to Raftel ? But then you need a log pose and you are fucked…so the map is epicly made..
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Oda definitely has the true world map somewhere in his studio.. he just trew a dart at someplace in the map and assigned it with a "island theme", and with that info he created a whole world.
Wasn't there a discussion that the north pole was in the middle of the north blue and the south in the middle of south blue, that the grand line and the red line formed an X instead of a cross, and that oda draws the world like that because is easier to see it that way?
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Wasn't there a discussion that the north pole was in the middle of the north blue and the south in the middle of south blue, that the grand line and the red line formed an X instead of a cross, and that oda draws the world like that because is easier to see it that way?
I hope this is so, that's how the naming of the Four Blue Seas makes most sense to me, and the geography a bit more plausible. Equatorial GL and longitudinal mountains requires my active suspension of disbelief. I must repeat to myself, "it's just a show, I should really just relax."
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The only thing which I dont like in the latest AMAZING map is that I think that there must be more entrances to the grand Line except Laboon"s.
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The only thing which I dont like in the latest AMAZING map is that I think that there must be more entrances to the grand Line except Laboon"s.
Well it's been established for most of the series that Reverse Mountain only has the one outlet (Laboon's), and otherwise there is only the Calm Belt. However if there are other paddleships like the Sunny-Go with strong/lucky enough crews to deal with massive Sea Kings, or if that one large island could be exploited, it's possible. Other sky islands and obviously flight are also possibilities.
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Well it's been established for most of the series that Reverse Mountain only has the one outlet (Laboon's), and otherwise there is only the Calm Belt. However if there are other paddleships like the Sunny-Go with strong/lucky enough crews to deal with massive Sea Kings, or if that one large island could be exploited, it's possible. Other sky islands and obviously flight are also possibilities.
but if u look at some of the maps in this thread south blue can travel along land straight into the latter half of the grand line (not the new world but the grand line)
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Thriller Bark is too wide and large for the Reverse Mountain, so the probable way for it to cross the West Blue into the Grand Line first half is very fishy.
Since WB is below NW.
You couldn't and shouldn't cross the RL from any other point than FI…
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i don't know where the marine hq lay?
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Thriller Bark is too wide and large for the Reverse Mountain, so the probable way for it to cross the West Blue into the Grand Line first half is very fishy.
Since WB is below NW.
You couldn't and shouldn't cross the RL from any other point than FI…
Well TB is more like an island than anything else, the sea kings probably would ignore the floating dirt, the problem is that it came from west blue isn't it? it HAD to pass the red line somehow, as it was in the first half of the grand line, the one that is surrounded by east and south blue.
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Well TB is more like an island than anything else, the sea kings probably would ignore the floating dirt, the problem is that it came from west blue isn't it? it HAD to pass the red line somehow, as it was in the first half of the grand line, the one that is surrounded by east and south blue.
no~~~my guess is it dosen't needs to pass the red line…but it can across the calm belt, and TB might have some sea stone underneath it or somewhere~
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@sheng:
no~~~my guess is it dosen't needs to pass the red line…but it can across the calm belt, and TB might have some sea stone underneath it or somewhere~
i think u missed the idea that it has to pass the red line cause if it didnt it would be in the new world if it crossed the calm belt
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@BattleFrankyBot:
i think u missed the idea that it has to pass the red line cause if it didnt it would be in the new world if it crossed the calm belt
well~ some ships needs to get out of grand line by across the calm belt not the red line, if they can get out grand line by across the calm belt why can't they get in then?
and also the manga has mentioned the only way to get out of grand line is to across the calm belt, so for as big as island size ship like TB got be pretty easy to enter the grand line by across the calm belt without any sea stone~ there's no way for it can fits that narrow tube hole in the red line~~ or it can get really lucky to encounter the island size wide tude to enter the grand line…but that's way more odd.
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@BattleFrankyBot:
i think u missed the idea that it has to pass the red line cause if it didnt it would be in the new world if it crossed the calm belt
I've got a solution someone coated it and it came via Fishman Island problem solved.
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@sheng:
well~ some ships needs to get out of grand line by across the calm belt not the red line, if they can get out grand line by across the calm belt why can't they get in then?
I'll explain this:
There are two "oceans" in the OP world; the one on the left and the one on the right, let's name them something: Ocean A is the one on the left and Ocean B is the one on the right.
Ocean A:
East Blue
Calm Belt
Grand Line (first half, current stretch that we've been through)
Calm Belt
South BlueOcean B:
North Blue
Calm Belt
New World
Calm Belt
West BlueThe layout for them is like this:
O || O
C || C
E || E
A || A
N || N
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A || BThe line break that separates them is the "Red Line" and "space" can be the Grand Line.
Since Thriller Bark is an island from Ocean B, it would have to cross the Red Line to get into the "first half" of the Grand Line… Since we know that the Red Line goes all the way around the world. We know that the two paths that allow one to cross into the other ocean, Reverse Mountain and Fishman Island.
Since we know all of this, we can assume that the Thriller Bark island had to have headed through one of those two. However, if we were to judge and compare the size ratio of Thriller Bark towards Brook's ship when they crossed the Reverse Mountain, we could notice that the size of the island compared to the ship is basically "too big" for the Reverse Mountain.
That should eliminate the first path towards First Half of the Grand Line from West Blue. The next path will then have to basically come from Fishman Island. Concerning the "block" being an island, this may mean that even something the size of Thriller Bark would be able to pass through FI.
There are no other ways, unless Oda explains something that made it end up there... He has yet to do that, but assuming that it should be Fishman Island, it means that many characters had basically been there.
and also the manga has mentioned the only way to get out of grand line is to across the calm belt, so for as big as island size ship like TB got be pretty easy to enter the grand line by across the calm belt without any sea stone~ there's no way for it can fits that narrow tube hole in the red line~~ or it can get really lucky to encounter the island size wide tude to enter the grand line…but that's way more odd.
But it would be on the wrong side. Sure, it could manage to do that… But it'd be located in the New World and we would be in the New World by the time we saw it. However, it is located in the Florian Triangle. So that makes it have to head through Reverse Mountain from West Blue or Fishman Island from New World.
Well, we don't know the size of that narrow tube hole. It is supposed to be an "island" sized hole anyway. If it could fit then it would make sense...
We have yet to see it.
so far the more reasonable answer is to across the calm belt.
It's on the wrong side of the Red Line…
@sheng:i don't know where the marine hq lay?
Marine HQ is the plaza, or the "dock" of the World Government Holy Capital Marijoes (spelling?). In other words, it is on "sea level" directly below the Marijoes capital.
It is slightly a few minutes away from SA, I would assume that it is to the right of SA, when shown a map, however, it would be directly near the Red Line.
I've got a solution someone coated it and it came via Fishman Island problem solved.
Yeah, but that would be a big ass coating job… I wonder if Oda introduced this scenario for a reason... Might make FI quite an experience.
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@sheng:
well~ some ships needs to get out of grand line by across the calm belt not the red line, if they can get out grand line by across the calm belt why can't they get in then?
and also the manga has mentioned the only way to get out of grand line is to across the calm belt, so for as big as island size ship like TB got be pretty easy to enter the grand line by across the calm belt without any sea stone~ there's no way for it can fits that narrow tube hole in the red line~~ or it can get really lucky to encounter the island size wide tude to enter the grand line…but that's way more odd.
so far the more reasonable answer is to across the calm belt.You are not understanding, Thriller bark came from the OTHER SIDE OF THE RED LINE, because where it is now is surrounded by the east and south blue, while the north and west blue are surrounding the new world.
This is sbs material.
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This is sbs material.
Not really. We know what Fishman Island is located inside the hole in Red Line. I don't see why Thriller Bark couldn't have made it through the exact same hole especially if it isn't really that large of an island.
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Not really. We know what Fishman Island is located inside the hole in Red Line. I don't see why Thriller Bark couldn't have made it through the exact same hole especially if it isn't really that large of an island.
be real please….BT is pretty large enough for an island...
but it is still a ship and ship can be coated so may it can pass the hole beneath the red line.
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@sheng:
be real please….BT is pretty large enough for an island...
Oh I was serious. The island simply doesn't strike as really large judging that the Mast Mansion was in it's center and that it doesn't appear to be a really large travel to get from the "harbor" to it. And I don't believe that Fishman Island, a place that's been hyped for so long will be that little.
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i also think that moria travelled through fishman island…it will sure be a damn huge hole where FI is located...maybe so big that transportating an island through that hole isn
t that hard...it was sure seen by many fishman but it
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@Don:
i also think that moria travelled through fishman island…it will sure be a damn huge hole where FI is located...maybe so big that transportating an island through that hole isn
t that hard...it was sure seen by many fishman but it
s maybe like we see on a regular street a massiv crane(or something like that) getting transported..BT might has long history way before moria gets it~
Oh I was serious. The island simply doesn't strike as really large judging that the Mast Mansion was in it's center and that it doesn't appear to be a really large travel to get from the "harbor" to it. And I don't believe that Fishman Island, a place that's been hyped for so long will be that little.
no,no,no,nobody ever think that Fishman Island is little~ that is misunderstood, and i can't wait to see fishman island~
before i thought BT can across the calmbelt to get to grand line but people here have proofs me wrong reasonable.
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what my thought is now –
i don't know One Piece Geography that well so i could be wrong again~ but BT is a ship, people might coated it and bring it thorugh the hole underneath the red line? that might be the way? or it's just does the same thing like strawhat did go up the mountain tube, that is more reasonable. -
@sheng:
what my thought is now –
i don't know One Piece Geography that well so i could be wrong again~ but BT is a ship, people might coated it and bring it thorugh the hole underneath the red line? that might be the way? or it's just does the same thing like strawhat did go up the mountain tube, that is more reasonable.That's what we were saying. Thriller Bark seems to be too large to enter the first half of the Grand Line through Reverse Mountain but coming through the hole Fishman Island is located at strikes at pretty likely with the information we're having so far.
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so. from what i know the one piece world is divided by red line and calm belt, diving it into 4 ocean. since the earth is round, that's like slicing a ball into 4 pieces.
So….how do we determine the ocean to be east,west, north and south?
there are 2 ocean in northern hemosphere, 2 ocean in southern hemosphere.
and since earth is round, there is no concept of east and west...... -
imagine that the red line and the calm belt make an x instead of a t and u will get ur answer
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@Hespia:
so. from what i know the one piece world is divided by red line and calm belt, diving it into 4 ocean. since the earth is round, that's like slicing a ball into 4 pieces.
So….how do we determine the ocean to be east,west, north and south?
there are 2 ocean in northern hemosphere, 2 ocean in southern hemosphere.
and since earth is round, there is no concept of east and west......Oda rolled the dice for which of the southern and northern seas are actually called South and North Blue and which ones go as East and West Blue. Also he declared Reverse Mountain to be the middle of the world from where east and west are being defined. This is done in RL as well. The Middle East doesn't really have to be east. Neither is the Western World necessarily to the west.
Something that I always found to be weird is that Mariejoa and the Marine HQ would have been more fit to be in the center. Maybe the blues names are older than the current world order and Reverse Mountain was in or near the old center. Or Oda just hadn't though about the Marine HQ & Mariejoa when he made up the Blues. That was in the very beginning after all.
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I don't have anything constructive to add here, but I just want to say that this kind of cool fact-collecting is the sort of thing that made me start reading these forums in the first place. Very cool, thanks for the reference brennen (and everyone else who contributed).
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@sheng:
BT might has long history way before moria gets it~
no,no,no,nobody ever think that Fishman Island is little~ that is misunderstood, and i can't wait to see fishman island~
before i thought BT can across the calmbelt to get to grand line but people here have proofs me wrong reasonable.
so
what my thought is now –
i don't know One Piece Geography that well so i could be wrong again~ but BT is a ship, people might coated it and bring it thorugh the hole underneath the red line? that might be the way? or it's just does the same thing like strawhat did go up the mountain tube, that is more reasonable.It is what we are saying… And me.
I'm saying that Perona went through FI and visited it before...
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Just wanted to post this new map from the 4th Color Walk,
http://i40.tinypic.com/2vkg768.jpg
Was it scanlated with a higher quality?
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Guys, why can't they just go back from Loguetown entrance ( GL entrance ) and go the other way? Won't that be the end of GL? All other blues have to go the same route?
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Guys, why can't they just go back from Loguetown entrance ( GL entrance ) and go the other way? Won't that be the end of GL? All other blues have to go the same route?
What other way? Once you're on the top of Reverse Mountain there's only one way down into the Grand Line as can be seen in the picture:
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What other way? Once you're on the top of Reverse Mountain there's only one way down into the Grand Line as can be seen in the picture:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3864/opreversemountainpf9.th.jpg
Someone from North Blue can't use kairouseki and pass calm belt???
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Someone from North Blue can't use kairouseki and pass calm belt???
Didn't you ask why they couldn't go the other if they would start from the Loguetown entrance again?
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Didn't you ask why they couldn't go the other if they would start from the Loguetown entrance again?
Yep, but you answered that ^^
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Yep, but you answered that ^^
Oh I see. I thought those two questions were related. My bad.^^
Well about your second question. With what little we know so far it would appear that you could use seastone coated ships to cross the Calm Belt from both North and West Blue to get to the final stage of the Grand Line. But somehow this could be considered as cheating and I'm sure that Oda won't make it happen.
Possible explenations (with what little info we have so far) could be that the seastone coating seems to be a Marine exclusive thing. Furthermore in the New World the Emperors are ruling the sea. So perhaps even the Marines can't access that easily without being in serious danger. Which would also explain why nobody else would go that way.
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Seastone coating allow one to cross the Calm Belt, but the ships are still in grave danger, because the Sea Kings can still see them sometimes. So, it's a risky thing. A Sea King attacked Momonga's ship near Amazon Lily and the cannons could not stop it, so you need a strong crew anyway to defend the ship.
Also, just because you can cross the Calm Belt does not mean it's a wise decision. A rookie pirate crossing the Calm Belt, provided he survives it, would still be completely fucked up in the Grand Line. Without an Eternal Post, for example, he could not find any island (he'd need to first find some island in order to set a Log Post to work).
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And lets not forget that without the wind factor, ships dependent on sailing through the Calm Belt are screwed. So, either you have paddle wheels, an engine or some other form of movement to pass you through, or you're a sitting duck….
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woah lucky find… was thinking of how the world looked just today.
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Is there a "clean" version of this map, without those lines on it, etc.?
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5423/opeastbluefirstlogqq8.jpg
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I always wondered why people couldnt just "cut" right into the end of the New World through the Calm Belt and find Raftel that way. Obviously the OP world has advanced enough technology to use something other than the wind to power ships and that technology is not just exclusive to the Marines, I mean look at Law's submarine ship or the Sunny. Also if a rookie crew like the SHs can handle numerous Sea Kings without too much sweat shouldn't NW pirates do the same?
People like Luffy would never use the shortcut because that would be "cheating" and "think of all the adventures they would miss" (totally agree it would ruin the series) but their are a lot of powerful pirates who have a Buggy-like mentality to do whatever it takes to win so why has no one tried and succeed yet? And for that matter, why has no one ever gotten that far except Roger when all you have to do is follow your Log. What have people like Whitebeard been doing for 50 years, just floating?
Still I trust Oda will provide a good answer once we get to the NW (if we ever get there)…
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who ever said you have to set a log pose in the new world? I think no one.
For the calm belt problem, this is not just the normal sea. the place is infested with the biggest, most dangerous sea kings, where even crocodile commended about, in the world. It is the nest of the Sea King and that means they would not meet 1 every volume but like 200 every 10 minutes, which would be a problem. The only way the marines are able to cope with this is that they have ships that can move through the calm belt AND the marines have somehow minimalized the problem off sea kings' pose because they don't even know that the ships are therebecause of the kairoseki -
I always wondered why people couldnt just "cut" right into the end of the New World through the Calm Belt and find Raftel that way. Obviously the OP world has advanced enough technology to use something other than the wind to power ships and that technology is not just exclusive to the Marines, I mean look at Law's submarine ship or the Sunny. Also if a rookie crew like the SHs can handle numerous Sea Kings without too much sweat shouldn't NW pirates do the same?
People like Luffy would never use the shortcut because that would be "cheating" and "think of all the adventures they would miss" (totally agree it would ruin the series) but their are a lot of powerful pirates who have a Buggy-like mentality to do whatever it takes to win so why has no one tried and succeed yet? And for that matter, why has no one ever gotten that far except Roger when all you have to do is follow your Log. What have people like Whitebeard been doing for 50 years, just floating?
Still I trust Oda will provide a good answer once we get to the NW (if we ever get there)…
Well:
"Why does noone 'Cheat# to raftle?"
Because there is some kind of trick to get to raftle, which is written on the Porneglyphs most likely (Roger offered Whitebeard to tell him how to get to Raftle -> something makes it far more complicated then just following the log)"Why does noone enter the New World through the calm belt?"
I think several organisations, including the marines probably, do that now and then. But you'd have to have a logport/ethernal port/something to navigate to an island in the new world, and they don't give those out for free. -
The only way to get to the New World when you're in first part of the Grand Line, is go through Fishmen Island or Mariejois. No pirate wouldn't go through the later, that's stupid.
The only way to get to the NW if you aren't in the Grand Line, would be through the Calm Belt and that's only if you're in North or West Blue. How many strong people there're in those two seas that we know of? None.
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The only way to get to the NW if you aren't in the Grand Line, would be through the Calm Belt and that's only if you're in North or West Blue. How many strong people there're in those two seas that we know of? None.
Well we do know East Blue is supposedly the weakest/most peaceful sea. It makes sense that the seas surrounding the New World would harbor stronger characters since anything coming from the Grand Line on that side of the world would be coming from the most dangerous ocean anywhere, and there would have to be some of that (Krieg managed to escape the Grand Line – barely -- so it is possible).
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Well we do know East Blue is supposedly the weakest/most peaceful sea. It makes sense that the seas surrounding the New World would harbor stronger characters since anything coming from the Grand Line on that side of the world would be coming from the most dangerous ocean anywhere, and there would have to be some of that (Krieg managed to escape the Grand Line – barely -- so it is possible).
agreed we must also consider the fact that one main reason that east blue harboured the weakest pirates is because of smoker. putting smoker i logue town was overkill. luffy was one of the first to make it past him. without smoker, i'd imagine the east blue would harbour stronger pirates. north is not run by pirates but by the revolutionary army, so doubt piracy in north blue is probably in a different that other seas.
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is this a new race in the one piece world?
monkey men?
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is this a new race in the one piece world?
monkey men?
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9029/immagineqiv.jpgCould be Mink Men….?
Or something else, maybe those tails aren't real and are just attached.... -
There are two new maps in the last chapter !
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Hooray for zoomed in maps of who knows where!
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