They had contracts, they can take someone new or not chnage anything with the team
and only to join new team animation with great animation.
A Study of One Piece Animation
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I don't think its really an option to keep just the best ones.
One Piece isn't a limited 26 episode series, it comes out every week.Toei presumably have the exact amount of teams to keep One Piece coming out on schedule.
Its not like they can just get rid of people. At least not without a ready replacement.You don't read the last lines, is "utopic" think that a long running series, could have an elite staff, all the weeks.
But I'm sure, Toei can do a better work, by far… -
About Shiki's dance, I think that was done with the motion sensing technology(Not sure about the name):
(Starts from 7:32)
That is Rotoscoping.
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could have an elite staff, all the weeks.
Seriously..thats a dream that will never come true for obvious reasons.
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@Teddy:
Seriously..thats a dream that will never come true for obvious reasons.
Much like you making good posts.
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@JERK:
Much like you making good posts.
Look at a high quality post we got here^^
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So we might get an awesome Naoki Tate episode, huh?
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@Teddy:
So we might get an awesome Naoki Tate episode, huh?
Why would you think that? Tate hasn't been around since Impel Down. I don't think he'll show up in this war.
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@Sean:
Why would you think that? Tate hasn't been around since Impel Down. I don't think he'll show up in this war.
Inoue disappears and Katsumi takes his place somewhere before Sabaody Archipelago as a high budgeted animator.
Then Naoki Tate disappears and Inoue comes back.
Maybe its Katsumis time to be replaced by Tate now that the arc ends.
Just a guess though. -
…Wow, back from the holidays and what do I see? A few pages of "No you"; "No, you"; "No, YOU"; "No, YOU!"; "NO U"; "NU-UH, NO 8U". Goddammit people! I thought that the holidays were suppose to be a time of good fun and happiness, instead of crazy arguments that we'll all forget several months later and–oh wait, it's the internet, that TOTALLY explains everything. Hell, it's like a debate about ALI PROJECT'S music.
So, instead of discussing 'you're wrong and i'm right', how about discussing things that are relevant to this thread topic? Like say, show casing different animators that have worked on One Piece and their scenes, AS IT (somewhat) SHOULD BE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD/ACT AS A GUIDLINE. People who want to debate about the extreme qualities of animation, please do that somewhere else and not here. I thought this thread was suppose to be informative to the average joe. It shouldn't be that hard to create a new thread where you can bitch at each other AND STATE YOUR OPINIONS WITH EVIDENCE OR DEBATE TO YOUR HEARTS CONTENT. Go ahead and use advanced 'technical' terms and then dumb it down for the rest of us that aren't in 'art/animation post-secondary institute schools'.
Question to those that dislike Tate's work. Does this mean that you also dislike the art and animation in One Piece Movie 6, 'Summer Wars', 'The Girl Who Leapted Through Time', and Digimon Season 1 & 2's movies? They all have simple character designs with thin lines, so obviously you dislike their art and animation as well and was a major turn-off, right? Just curious.
"Whaddya mean we're all out of fish 'n chips?!"
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Question to those that dislike Tate's work. Does this mean that you also dislike the art and animation in One Piece Movie 6? They all have simple character designs with thin lines, so obviously you dislike their art and animation as well and was a major turn-off, right? Just curious.
I dislike the art and the character designs with thin lines. Though, movie 6 has great animation and I reallly enjoyed it.
That doesn't mean that Tate sucks or whatever…he did awesome episodes such as 278 and 309.
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289 (franky vs fukurou) was also his too… and it's awesome!
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Didn't he also key for Luffy vs Blueno? You know? The only good portion of it?
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Yeah, he did part of that fight. From that general time, he also did Zoro vs. T-Bone, the Galley-La shipwrights attacking Luffy, and the finales of both the Groggy Ring and Luffy vs. Foxy.
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Question to those that dislike Tate's work. Does this mean that you also dislike the art and animation in One Piece Movie 6, 'Summer Wars', 'The Girl Who Leapted Through Time', and Digimon Season 1 & 2's movies? They all have simple character designs with thin lines, so obviously you dislike their art and animation as well and was a major turn-off, right? Just curious.
I hate the art of One Piece Movie 6 and 9. At time's it's ridiculous. And there really are times when it's so bad it's almost condescending.
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I hate the art of One Piece Movie 6 and 9. At time's it's ridiculous. And there really are times when it's so bad it's almost condescending.
How about the other movies I've mentioned? Their art styles are similar: simple and thin lines which makes it easier for the animators to draw and adapt in a short time frame. A few examples if you haven't seen the movies.
Summer Wars:
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The Girl Who Leapt Through Time:!
Digimon Movies:!
So logically, if you 'hate' this type of art, that means you dislike all the movies that Mamoru Hosoda has directed, since this is the style that he's used for the past years. Which isn't your cup of tea. Just like the way how some people don't like the realistic art in (RIP)Satoshi Kon's movies.
"Whaddya mean we're all out of fish 'n chips?!"
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…I just watched episode 478...The first episode I've watched in months.
This is a war, right? I had to keep reminding myself...When Luffy is running towards Coby (maybe not intentionally towards Coby, but he is), I see...pirates and soldiers just standing there with their swords and such crossed. I like the animation and all, but...I hafta keep reminding myself that there's a war going on in the background, though I see/hear none of it. I mean...sure, animating all that might cost a good bit but...just having them stand there...Nonetheless, I enjoyed seeing a newer episode of One Piece. I dropped the anime last year when my sister decided to stop watching it with me during the Arlong Arc...
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Okay, watching 479, I take back everything I said. I realize now that…Everyone was just hiding until the right moment. I saw people fighting in the backgrounds! All the Whitebeard Pirates/Allies charging the platform with Luffy and Ivankov really made me happy with the anime. -
I think One Piece isn't in need for fancy illustrations or anything. We just need average animation and it's fine for us. I think i'd like more fancy animation just to hook others into One Piece but other then that those of us who know OP love OP.
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Damn you Toei, Damn you. Yokoyama for chapter 576? I hope this is fake.
483: Kazuya Hisada
484: Eisaku Inoue
485: Kenji Yokoyama
486: Katsumi Ishizuka485 is the most important along with 483. Where is Nakatani?
Only one explanation for this. Ep 484 is 2 chapters cause chap 485 was extremely short. Plus I expect Yokoyama to do chapter 577. If it's like that then this list is freaking perfect. And exactly what I expected.
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Which episode will cover chapter 574?
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483. Hisada's episode.
There's also a chance that the upcoming episode is two chapters, but it's doubtful.
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Rough translation. What do you guys think?
Titles
! 483: Looking for answers - Fire Fist Ace's death on battlefield
484: Admiralty collapse! Whitebeard's indescribable angry!
485: Putting Kejime - Whitebeard vs Blackbeard pirates
486: Show opening - Blackbeard's plot revealedThanks to Archah for the rough translation.
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Those titles sound pretty fake.
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483. Hisada's episode.
Oh. I was hoping that Inoue would do it. Is this Hisada a good animation director?
So logically, if you 'hate' this type of art, that means you dislike all the movies that Mamoru Hosoda has directed, since this is the style that he's used for the past years. Which isn't your cup of tea. Just like the way how some people don't like the realistic art in (RIP)Satoshi Kon's movies.
You have to understand that it's not the same with movies and a long running series. In a movie, the animation will be consistent all the way through, even if the art is like that, and in some movies art in that way works, considering the characters in some of those movies. But in a long running series like One Piece, having the art change so drastically into something that doesn't resemble the way the character's look in other episodes stands out a lot more. The art shouldn't change that drastically into something completely different.
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That…doesn't make much sense. Why would they blow their load on Inoue, yet go out of their way to avoid giving him one of the most important chapters in the series so far? Not much happened in that chapter anyway apart from more of the same (people running, mooks going down to generic explosions and such, etc.). I'm gonna be skeptic of this...
But to his credit, Yokoyama can draw the more complex and outlandish designs like Blackbeard and his posse a hell of a lot better than most of the other guys.
Is this Hisada a good animation director
He's gotten a fair bit better since succeeding Koizumi as character designer.
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Full list:
Director Storyboard (+ their last episodes) Animation Director
483話「答えを探して 火拳エース戦場に死す」
Hiroaki MIYAMOTO (473) Hiroaki MIYAMOTO (473) Kazuya HISADA484話「海軍本部崩壊！白ひげ言葉なき怒り！」
Fumi KOMAKI (474) Fumi KOMAKI (474) Eisaku INOUE485話「ケジメをつける 白ひげVS黒ひげ海賊団」
Katsumi TOKORO (475) Katsumi TOKORO (475) Kenji YOKOYAMA486話「ショーの開幕 明かされた黒ひげの企み」
Naoyuki ITO (477) Naoyuki ITO (477) Katsumi ISHIZUKAMan, I still hope it's fake. I mean it's still the 5th. I don't understant why they didn't use Ishizuka or Nakatani at least for 476 :/
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That…doesn't make much sense. Why would they blow their load on Inoue, yet go out of their way to avoid giving him one of the most important chapters in the series so far? Not much happened in that chapter anyway apart from more of the same (people running, mooks going down to generic explosions and such, etc.). I'm gonna be skeptic of this...
Perhaps episode 484 will include chapters 575 and 576? I can see Inoue doing
! Whitebeard's death scene
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Rough translation. What do you guys think?
Titles
! 483: Looking for answers - Fire Fist Ace's death on battlefield
484: Admiralty collapse! Whitebeard's indescribable angry!
485: Putting Kejime - Whitebeard vs Blackbeard pirates
486: Show opening - Blackbeard's plot revealedThanks to Archah for the rough translation.
…The translations of 484 and 485 are rather bad. I mean, "Putting Kejime"? How does that make even the slightest bit of sense?
My own translations:! 483: Searching for an Answer - Fire Fist Ace Dies on the Battlefield
484: Navy HQ is Destroyed! Whitebeard's Silent Anger!
485: Settling the Score - Whitebeard VS The Blackbeard Pirates
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Damn you Toei, Damn you. Yokoyama for chapter 576? I hope this is fake.
483: Kazuya Hisada
484: Eisaku Inoue
485: Kenji Yokoyama
486: Katsumi Ishizuka.It's FAKE! I refuse to believe something like that. If it's real, FUCK YOU TOEI!!!!!!
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Combining chapters 575 and 576 for one episode makes a crap-ton of sense from a censorship standpoint:
! If they show Whitebeard's left side of his head being torn off in full glory, then it only lasts for one episode; or
! if they tone it down, then they catch less flack from fans due to it being in only one ep and not two.I have no clue who the most "appropriate" animators are for each scene, but that seems to make sense due to how graphic things get.
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@Vegard:
…The translations of 484 and 485 are rather bad. I mean, "Putting Kejime"? How does that make even the slightest bit of sense?
My own translations:! 483: Searching for an Answer - Fire Fist Ace Dies on the Battlefield
484: Navy HQ is Destroyed! Whitebeard's Silent Anger!
485: Settling the Score - Whitebeard VS The Blackbeard Pirates
487: The Show Begins - Blackbeard's Scheme RevealedThe guy who translated it is still not up to date, and he is not a good translator. Thanks for the accurate translation.
I really hope Yokoyama doesn't do any key animation at all, and hopefully all the animators working with him are great. Just like that one awesome one minute of Gear 3rd in ep 450.
Edit: some of the lists in the 2ch thread are already confirmed to be fake. So there is still hope this is fake.
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Rough translation. What do you guys think?
Titles
! 483: Looking for answers - Fire Fist Ace's death on battlefield
484: Admiralty collapse! Whitebeard's indescribable angry!
485: Putting Kejime - Whitebeard vs Blackbeard pirates
486: Show opening - Blackbeard's plot revealedThanks to Archah for the rough translation.
damn, we get the list very quickly.
Seeing the titles, I can figured out, that the 2x1 pacing won't do it.
486's title, prove it. Read manga chapter 577, and comprove itWell, is a good list as expected, but with no much surprises.
-483 Hisada: In his last episode, (473) His art was magnific, even better than Inoue chapter in 474.(to my opinion) This is clear demostration of that.. he is the actual "Character Designer", I think he is perfect to this chapter too… but I dont expect a "special" or maybe just little scenes of good animation. Cause the chap really don't need it.
-484 Inoue: Great AD, to an great episode. I can see that this episode will be much better than I will expect. Maybe with 100%, we will see "special animators here". (Well, anyway I a little annoying, cause I expect Inoue doing 453)
-485 Yokoyama: The month's disappointment...
At least, Toei MUST put good animators here. If they don't. They will lose quite fans I think...-486 Ishizuka: As I expect, good decision. This chapter have a LOT of action, and Ishizuka is a good key animator. But I can see Tate definitly won't work in this arc... (well, hopefully the 487 is still a good Tate's candidate)
I can see, Toei will put Nakatani in the final round, and Toei is showing us that Ide and Tate, are out definitly...
And finally, something is bother me
I think Toei has been very protocolar... check this out.
469.- Masayuki Takagi
470.- Megumi Yamashita
471.- Toshio Degushi
472.- (The exception)
473.- Kazuya Hisada
474.- Eisaku Inoue
475.- Kenji Yokoyama
476.- Katsumi Ishizuka.And now compare it, with this other...
480.- Masayuki Takagi
481.- Megumi Yamashita
482.- Toshio Degushi
483.- Kazuya Hisada
484.- Eisaku Inoue
485.- Kenji Yokoyama
476.- Katsumi IshizukaEXACTLY THE SAME ORDER.
Even if there are most important chapters than others...Now that I analize it, this pissed me off. Cause the "series organization" guy, is simply saying "Oh, its your turn, take the episode"... and no "Wait a minute, I will give you this chapter cause its most important that the other, I will reorganize this list."...
I hope Toei won't become OP in a piece of comercial shit... The last 2 arc, were lower than I expected, by far...
I hope be wrong... :(
pd: If there are a weird gramatic.... I'm a spanish guy, using basic english xD... sry, I can't speak spanish here... :(
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lol, yeah, that's exactly the same as before. I guess it's fake then. We will know for sure soon when we see the preview of 484.
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@Badass:
You have to understand that it's not the same with movies and a long running series. In a movie, the animation will be consistent all the way through, even if the art is like that, and in some movies art in that way works, considering the characters in some of those movies. But in a long running series like One Piece, having the art change so drastically into something that doesn't resemble the way the character's look in other episodes stands out a lot more. The art shouldn't change that drastically into something completely different.
I suppose it boils down to the person's choice to accept/adapt those sudden changes or not; as well as their own tastes. I personally understand why Tate would choose that type of art style to animated (considering the fact that he's not a master animator but is higher than average), and don't mind it that much. In my opinion, it makes an episode a little bit more exciting since it's something that's different from the rest. For others, it's probably a slap in the face.
But, at least be a tiny bit grateful that those drastic changes aren't like
scene in Birdy Decode, or (at 5:01) from Needless. If Tate was really bad, Toei would've scrapped him from the get go.Off-topic: I'm pretty sure that Gainax can get away with their drastic art changes in 'Panty and Stockings'; Powerpuff Girls –>Hot smoking babes. Plus, your avatar is making me hungry and wish it wasn't so cold right now.
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so is there still a hope that the list is fake? 'cause that Yokoyama guy sucks hard.
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Until Newtype updates their online schedule we won't know for sure. Fake lists are popping up lately..
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Until Newtype updates their online schedule we won't know for sure. Fake lists are popping up lately..
You're giving me hope. PLEASE, PLEASE, let that list be FAKE!!!!!
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If the list of AD is right, then it should go like this:
483: Inoue
484: Hisada
485: Ishizuka
486: YokoyamaThat's what I thought would be better though…
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If the list of AD is right, then it should go like this:
483: Inoue
484: Hisada
485: Ishizuka
486: YokoyamaThat's what I thought would be better though…
mmm Yokoyama doing 486 :wassat:
Too much action to handle, Ishizuka must do this one..Well, I guess this is best order…
483: Inoue
484: Yokoyama
485: Hisada
486: IshizukaCause the 484, is the most week manga chapter, to my opinion...
But wtf, first begging for the damn list be fake... -
483: Inoue
484: Yokoyama
485: Hisada
486: IshizukaThat would be good.
But other than Yokoyama, i'm ok with the original list. Hisada seems to be a very important staff member after he became the character designer - for instance, his last episode (473) was storyboarded and directed by Hiroaki Miyamoto, the series' director. I was pretty sure he would do either 483 or 485.Anyway, if Yokoyama does cover chapter 576..it's a safe bet to assume that the major scene in the end will be done by a special key animator.
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IMO, the perfect order would be:
483: Inoue
484: Hisada
485: Nakatani
486: YokoyamaSaving Ishizuka for 487, which has way more action than 486.
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@Sean:
IMO, the perfect order would be:
483: Inoue
484: Hisada
485: Nakatani
486: YokoyamaSaving Ishizuka for 487, which has way more action than 486.
Yeah, this would be prefect.
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Honestly I kind of feel we should save any additional commentary for when these episodes actually air. A lot of people were disappointed when Inoue wasn't the animation director for 405 and many of their concerns were quelled when the episode finally aired.
Don't get me wrong, I too, wish the had Inoue slated for just an episode earlier but I'm sure Hisada will do a remarkable job. The impact of the next few episodes also weighs heavily on who is directing the episode. This came to mind with the episode where Luffy arrives at Marineford and is searching for Ace. That particular episode had animation duties by Yokoyama but the direction and staging was handled so well that Yokoyama's stiffer style didn't hurt the emotional weight of the episode.
So we'll just wait and see…then bitch!
O-chan
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yeah, episode 466 have great direction despite being a short chapter…. And the animation was good overall...
But the chapter itself isn't that important, so having Yokoyama doing it was a wise choice.... But compare to episode 485, which is very important (not to mention, a GREAT CHAPTER) it's really unjustifiable.... The only way I can think of it being great is Toei gave lots of great animators for him...
Episode 405, first half is pretty mediocre imo...
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yeah, episode 466 have great direction despite being a short chapter…. And the animation was good overall...
But the chapter itself isn't that important, so having Yokoyama doing it was a wise choice.... But compare to episode 485, which is very important (not to mention, a GREAT CHAPTER) it's really unjustifiable.... The only way I can think of it being great is Toei gave lots of great animators for him...
Episode 405, first half is pretty mediocre imo...
This pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly.
The next 3 episodes will have great directing for sure, unlike today's episode.
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So, the list of directors for the following episode are all good then?
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We will know for sure tomorrow.
BTW, Nakatani definitely Wow'd me in 482. Best work for her so far, so that's what she can do when she have time and when skips an episode.
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This pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly.
The next 3 episodes will have great directing for sure, unlike today's episode.
how you can say that, when Yokoyama directing 485??
Murad, I dont understand who when what?
Nakatani was key animation on 482?
Who will do 483? Hisada?
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how you can say that, when Yokoyama directing 485??
Murad, I dont understand who when what?
Nakatani was key animation on 482?
Who will do 483? Hisada?
If I right Inoue will take part of the next episode!! tell me if I wrong.Yeah, I think, for a bit of seconds, have seen Inoue's style in the preview of 483… but next I confirm that was Hisada. But even if is Hisada, maybe (considering the importance of the ep) Inoue did help with some K.A (key animations).
And Nakatani was in the credits? cause I don't recognize her work, so easily like you murad.
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^^Is not obvious, the fist of Akainu and Ace, and one of Whitebeard's attacks, and I think when Ace came to Whitbeard to say goodbye.
Before I thought that Naktani not know to do action scenes, be she really great.Murad, why you said we will know for sure tomorrow, how we will know?
Overhead the Bakhahtross hangs motionless upon the air