I am very happy to hear this. Although….the Buu arc has more Mr. Satan scenes/lines than before, and it'll remind me of Daisuke Gori being gone....also, didn't Videl/Pan's seiyuu bow out of the series because she was heartbroken over his death?
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She said she wasn't sure what she was going to do and would have to do some soul searching before getting back in the Videl saddle, but SERIOUSLY AWESOME!
Kai is my preferred method of watching the Z portion of the story, so to hear WE ARE GETTING ALL OF IT IS AMAZING!
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Yay for Rin-chan!
I wonder if it was Saban Brands who did the investment to continue Kai….Nah.
It was probably the fact that Toei Animation doesnt have any other franchises to promote overseas.
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I'm so sad they changed the music, since the Kai music was superior to the original Z music. I want it back.
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Best part is rather than slapping the old score onto the show, they might come up with another score that'll be both an update to the series and not allegedly infringing on copyright.
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After seeing the remakes of Hunter X Hunter and Jo Jo's Bizzare Adventure Dragon Ball Kai seems kinda lazy. It would've been so badass if it looked like this
…oh well good news is good news and I'm gonna be watching it :D
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She said she wasn't sure what she was going to do and would have to do some soul searching before getting back in the Videl saddle, but SERIOUSLY AWESOME
Oh. Well then, I seriously hope she can get back to it. No pressure on her or anything, but it feels that much better of a watch where as many of the original voices as possible are present.
And here's another seiyuu question. I know Daisuke Gori (Mr. Satan, Gyu-Mao, Turtle) passed, but did Takeshi Aono (Kami, Piccolo Daimao) pass too? I know he had a medical emergency and had to be replaced during the Android/Cell arc of Kai, but did he recover, or….?
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Oh. Well then, I seriously hope she can get back to it. No pressure on her or anything, but it feels that much better of a watch where as many of the original voices as possible are present.
And here's another seiyuu question. I know Daisuke Gori (Mr. Satan, Gyu-Mao, Turtle) passed, but did Takeshi Aono (Kami, Piccolo Daimao) pass too? I know he had a medical emergency and had to be replaced during the Android/Cell arc of Kai, but did he recover, or….?
No, sadly Aono passed away earlier in the year.
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No, sadly Aono passed away earlier in the year.
Damn :(
Like Gori, his voice was so recognizable and great. I loved hearing him as Mihawk and Kami…..
RIP Takeshi Aono.
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Poster for the new movie leaked? Maybe? Kinda?
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/11/10/new-2013-dragon-ball-z-movie-title-battle-of-gods/
I'll admit it, the part I'm most intrigued by is Gohan being a Super Saiyan again. That's supposed to have been replaced by what the Old Kaioshin did to him. It'll be interesting to see how they explain that… if they explain it.
Mister Catman villain looks pretty cool in his own weird, Toriyama-touch kind of way. Whoever's in the background there has the potential to be even cooler. And is that supposed to be Videl sporting a new look in the bottom left…?
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I'll admit it, the part I'm most intrigued by is Gohan being a Super Saiyan again. That's supposed to have been replaced by what the Old Kaioshin did to him. It'll be interesting to see how they explain that… if they explain it.
I hated when they did this in dragonball GT, and im kinda annoyed that they have done it again, when his ultimate form was such a better power up for him (Its also my favorite version of him, and hes also my favorite character). They better just not ignore it though
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…is goku going to fight a purple kengero lookalike thingy?...
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Looks like a cabbit to me.
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So Goku's gonna be fightin' Egyptian deities?
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@Venomous:
I hated when they did this in dragonball GT, and im kinda annoyed that they have done it again, when his ultimate form was such a better power up for him (Its also my favorite version of him, and hes also my favorite character). They better just not ignore it though
Well, Toriyama's one of the biggest creative forces behind this new film. So if HE is the one to come up with an explanation for it, then no doubt it'll be something good.
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Well, Toriyama's one of the biggest creative forces behind this new film. So if HE is the one to come up with an explanation for it, then no doubt it'll be something good.[/QUOTE
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Toriyama never seemed like a guy who is skilled in making good excuses for retcons or plot inconsistencies though. he seemed to ignore addressing that stuff, like Kubo
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Well, Toriyama's one of the biggest creative forces behind this new film. So if HE is the one to come up with an explanation for it, then no doubt it'll be something good.
You mean Mr. "Oh yeah, I just forgot that Launch existed"?
Toriyama was fast and loose with his storytelling. He forgot stuff all the time. And its been like 20 years. He probably doesn't remember Gohan's last powerup.
It's pretty amazing the story held together as consistently as it did.
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@Venomous:
I hated when they did this in dragonball GT, and im kinda annoyed that they have done it again, when his ultimate form was such a better power up for him (Its also my favorite version of him, and hes also my favorite character). They better just not ignore it though
Yeah, I love how, at that point in the series, the only power-up Toriyama could give him was for him to NOT go through any apparent transformation at all.
@RobbyBevard:
You mean Mr. "Oh yeah, I just forgot that Launch existed"?
That and "Oh yeah. The Saiyans were working for Frieza the whole time and weren't independent planet sellers as indicated earlier."
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And also the entirety of the Cell saga. He twisted that around like every fourth chapter. "No, those weren't the two androids I meant!" "No, those two kids weren't a big deal either, its actually this bug thing!" "Er I mean, his second fo… his third fo... his ultimate version of his third form!"
Frieza's father and everything Majin Buu were similarly convoluted in the attempt to continually up the stakes by contradicting what you already knew or just making up a weird twist to keep the villain going for another week or two past what you expected. (Buu had what... seven forms? And his LAST one was his "original" form?) Or all the loophole jumping cheats he started doing with the dragonballs later.
Toriyama was a great storyteller. It was all about going along on the ride with him and he held you in the moment fantastically and as twists and turns and surprises, he delivered. "Ultimate Gohan failed, instead its Goku and Vegeta fused, no wait..." And as plot twists, those kept you guessing, BUT... its easy to look at, (and especially in interviews) and tell that except for a couple broad points, he was largely making it up as he went along week by week. And he was very good at that.
But overall continuity, keeping up with various characters, and story cohesion were NOT his strong-points. The animation team usually fixed those up some for him. (But sometimes they made it worse. The anime had the better Trunks origin though.)
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One of the earliest ones I noticed was Raditz saying his planet blew up a year ago and then later on Vegeta retcons that - unless Raditz just never knew.
But none of it really bothers me, nor the power ups, although the original Dragonball is still superior due to the adventure aspect, a quality that flying and instant transformation rendered useless. Story and powerups is something I critize Bleach a lot for but … Toriyama just did it better. How can you not love Goku and Vegeta going at it.
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@RobbyBevard:
You mean Mr. "Oh yeah, I just forgot that Lunch existed"?
Toriyama was fast and loose with his storytelling. He forgot stuff all the time. And its been like 20 years. He probably doesn't remember Gohan's last powerup.
It's pretty amazing the story held together as consistently as it did.
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Also, I always wonder why people assume that just because Gohan doesn't go Super Saiyan at all after the Old Kaioshin powers him up, he for some reason CAN'T do it. I don't think it was ever stated anywhere that the powerup he got somehow completely changed the way his powers work.
PS: All the rampant "Freeza" Misspellings in this thread make me cry. ;_;
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Master of foresight…Toriyama is definitely not. Still, there is something irresistible about his work.
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Also, I always wonder why people assume that just because Gohan doesn't go Super Saiyan at all after the Old Kaioshin powers him up, he for some reason CAN'T do it. I don't think it was ever stated anywhere that the powerup he got somehow completely changed the way his powers work.
Old Kai rearranged all of Gohan's potential power into his base. So no ki is really needed to waste on changing into a different form. Also there's no strain, no matter how minimal there may have been, in order to maintain that level of power.
It's why he said to just power up as if going Super Saiyan yet there wasn't any physical change.
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Old Kai rearranged all of Gohan's potential power into his base. So no ki is really needed to waste on changing into a different form. Also there's no strain, no matter how minimal there may have been, in order to maintain that level of power.
It's why he said to just power up as if going Super Saiyan yet there wasn't any physical change.
Exactly, super saiyan 3 levels of power (debatable or around there i suppose) without any of the drawbacks of it.
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One of the earliest ones I noticed was Raditz saying his planet blew up a year ago and then later on Vegeta retcons that - unless Raditz just never knew.
That was just another of FUNi's very blatant and stupid mess-ups though. In the manga and the Japanese version of the anime, he never mentions when the planet was destroyed, only that it was.
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Oh and if you add both the anime-induced and the additional dub-induced inconsistencies…
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Even reading Dragonball for the very first time, I wondered where all the anthropomorphic animal characters went. Red Ribbons forces were a friggin' zoo, but come the end of the series, only Oolong and Puar are left.
Also by the end of the series, only the Z warriors have any sort of superhuman abilities, and the whole world has appearantly kind of forgotten the old tournaments, where peopel like Nam would jump 1000 meters into the air, or could feature people in devil costumes that could blow you up through your evil thoughts (just because!).
Its like the entire DB world was gradually retconned into being more "realistic"
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Old Kai rearranged all of Gohan's potential power into his base. So no ki is really needed to waste on changing into a different form. Also there's no strain, no matter how minimal there may have been, in order to maintain that level of power.
It's why he said to just power up as if going Super Saiyan yet there wasn't any physical change.
That's why he didn't use it, but does that mean that he Can't use it?
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Even reading Dragonball for the very first time, I wondered where all the anthropomorphic animal characters went. Red Ribbons forces were a friggin' zoo, but come the end of the series, only Oolong and Puar are left.
Also by the end of the series, only the Z warriors have any sort of superhuman abilities, and the whole world has appearantly kind of forgotten the old tournaments, where peopel like Nam would jump 1000 meters into the air, or could feature people in devil costumes that could blow you up through your evil thoughts (just because!).
Its like the entire DB world was gradually retconned into being more "realistic"
With the animals, My take on that is that as the series got more serious it got unconsciously less mystical fantasy fairy tail and more sci-fi fantasy with a hint of mysticism.
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With the animals, My take on that is that as the series got more serious it got unconsciously less mystical fantasy fairy tail and more sci-fi fantasy with a hint of mysticism.
Not really, there were still mystical creatures running about (Buu, Babidi, Dabura, all those guys), it's more rather… that the characters weren't exploring earth like they used to.
And also, the mayor that Goku saves from Piccolo makes an appearances during the Cell arc when he recognizes Goku when nobody else does.
I don't think AT would've included that scene if he were trying to sweep the anthropomorphic animals under the rug.
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That guy was president of the world, so he was marginally more of a character than all the random critters. But just look at any crowd shot after volume 16, and the world just isn't populated by animal-people anymore.
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Also, I always wonder why people assume that just because Gohan doesn't go Super Saiyan at all after the Old Kaioshin powers him up, he for some reason CAN'T do it. I don't think it was ever stated anywhere that the powerup he got somehow completely changed the way his powers work.
PS: All the rampant "Freeza" Misspellings in this thread make me cry. ;_;
Frieza .
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Toriyama never seemed like a guy who is skilled in making good excuses for retcons or plot inconsistencies though. he seemed to ignore addressing that stuff, like Kubo
Yeah, it's funny. Dragon Ball is loved and revered by many, but it's hard to deny the man had the same problems Kubo had:
-blown to extreme power levels
-focusing on one group of characters while sidelining the restand so on. Still, I'd pick DB over Bleach any day of the week. Why, you ask? Maybe it's nostaglia. Maybe it's because DB had managed to have charm. Maybe it's because the early part of the series (when Goku was a kid) had adventure and a sense of direction.
but who knows.
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Yeah, it's funny. Dragon Ball is loved and revered by many, but it's hard to deny the man had the same problems Kubo had:
-blown to extreme power levels
-focusing on one group of characters while sidelining the restand so on. Still, I'd pick DB over Bleach any day of the week. Why, you ask? Maybe it's nostaglia. Maybe it's because DB had managed to have charm. Maybe it's because the early part of the series (when Goku was a kid) had adventure and a sense of direction.
but who knows.
Dragonball got away with it because it was something new, glaring problems and all.
Bleach has no excuse because as a writer and professional you should try to avoid mistakes that other people have made.
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Freeza .
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Yeah, it's funny. Dragon Ball is loved and revered by many, but it's hard to deny the man had the same problems Kubo had:
-blown to extreme power levels
-focusing on one group of characters while sidelining the restand so on. Still, I'd pick DB over Bleach any day of the week. Why, you ask? Maybe it's nostaglia. Maybe it's because DB had managed to have charm. Maybe it's because the early part of the series (when Goku was a kid) had adventure and a sense of direction.
but who knows.
It's because Goku is a better main character than Ichigo could ever hope to be :D
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Dragonball got away with it because it was something new, glaring problems and all.
Bleach has no excuse because as a writer and professional you should try to avoid mistakes that other people have made.
That's exactly it. And since Dragon Ball inspired other mangaka (Oda and Kishi, for example), you would think those inspired would try to achieve the success by improving upon where DB had its faults.
It's because Goku is a better main character than Ichigo could ever hope to be :D
Goes hand-in-hand with my charm comment.
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and so on. Still, I'd pick DB over Bleach any day of the week. Why, you ask? Maybe it's nostaglia. Maybe it's because DB had managed to have charm. Maybe it's because the early part of the series (when Goku was a kid) had adventure and a sense of direction.
but who knows.
Because it was legitimately fun,very fun.It delivered the shounen troupes and excitement extremely well.
Bleach on the other hand,is as boring as Ichigo's facial expressions.
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Because it was legitimately fun,very fun.It delivered the shounen troupes and excitement extremely well.
Well yeah. It had wacky things like talking animals, flying clouds, exploding ghosts, giant ape monsters, aliens, and so on.
A lot of the battles were fast-paced and great (Goku vs. Piccolo Daimao is one of my favorites)
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Dragonball had the decency to end.
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@The:
Also by the end of the series, only the Z warriors have any sort of superhuman abilities, and the whole world has appearantly kind of forgotten the old tournaments, where peopel like Nam would jump 1000 meters into the air, or could feature people in devil costumes that could blow you up through your evil thoughts (just because!).
I always find it funny to think that him, as well as Boss Rabbit, could potentially defeat the big bads in the later part of the series, like Frieza and Cell.
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@The:
Dragonball had the decency to end.
Not before the Buu Saga, unfortunately.
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@The:
That guy was president of the world, so he was marginally more of a character than all the random critters. But just look at any crowd shot after volume 16, and the world just isn't populated by animal-people anymore.
It was a cruel rule of the dragon ball, Shen Long didn't think of them as "People", so they weren't revived.
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I always find it funny to think that him, as well as Boss Rabbit, could potentially defeat the big bads in the later part of the series, like Freeza and Cell.
Not before the Boo Saga, unfortunately.
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and why do some people hate the Boo arc? I loved the Boo arc, it went back to more of the fun atmosphere the arcs directly preceding it had lost.
Not to mention Vegeta finally got some damn character development.
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I always find it funny to think that him, as well as Boss Rabbit, could potentially defeat the big bads in the later part of the series, like Frieza and Cell.
Funnily enough, one video game has a what-if battle where he squares off against the former.
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so that's what happened to Lunch
@The:Even reading Dragonball for the very first time, I wondered where all the anthropomorphic animal characters went. Red Ribbons forces were a friggin' zoo, but come the end of the series, only Oolong and Puar are left.
Also by the end of the series, only the Z warriors have any sort of superhuman abilities, and the whole world has appearantly kind of forgotten the old tournaments, where peopel like Nam would jump 1000 meters into the air, or could feature people in devil costumes that could blow you up through your evil thoughts (just because!).
Its like the entire DB world was gradually retconned into being more "realistic"
thank YOU!
It was a cruel rule of the dragon ball, Shen Long didn't think of them as "People", so they weren't revived.
ha ha ha. even better.
know wha'd be cool. if they went back and did an original DB movie. (and no, not the retelling of bulma and goku meeting again)
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and why do some people hate the Boo arc? I loved the Boo arc, it went back to more of the fun atmosphere the arcs directly preceding it had lost.
Not to mention Vegeta finally got some damn character development.
And you can talk about that 'til you're blue in the face, but I cannot forgive now it ruined the "passing of the torch" theme with Gohan taking over for Goku. Hell, didn't Goku say in that very same arc that they shouldn't rely on a dead guy to come save them? Oops (or, I'm sorry, was that another anime/Funimation flub?)
For me, it ruins the whole arc.
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Two of the Dragon Ball's worst,most undesirable tendencies,the Yamcha-ism and the "wish it back as if it didn't happen" shtick were at their worst during that arc.
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The best days of Dragonball were in the middle from like…the 22nd Budokai to maybe the defeat of Freeza imo.
It was a serious action series still, but it still had that sort of Toriyama whimsy and "feel" to it.
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@Metamario: I remember back in the days when I would wait for manga to come out, the sheer excitement I felt when I bought Dragonball volume 13. The King Piccolo arc was simply magnificent. I was already excited having finished the Red Ribbon arc and devoured the 22nd Budokai. It just got even better when King Piccolo appeared.
