BOOOOOOOO!!
WB won't die because he is better than your thread.
The War With Whitebeard
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WB won't die but you think Ace will die? o_O
You reading the wrong manga bros.
Maybe WB won't die (problably he will but like I know Oda he will tell us that in a flashback like all others death) but will be out of action.
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Perfect win for Magnetic Monkey… Congratulation
BTW Sammy already lost as he started to compare OP to Naruto.
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Oda has never let a character with a name die unless it's flashback. Maybe some of you think some people must die in the highest level of war, but I still don't see Oda breaking his rule here.
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Let's try to take it from another perspective. So the OP thinks after all these chapters and Ace finally wants to be saved, he still won't make it? C'mon that's definitely not Oda's style = =
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That's why I can see Oda using a small flashback after the war which is telling us that WB dies.
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I think Whitebeard will die like, right after the war. He still has to not only save Ace, but make sure his crew, and allies all escape Marineford. The Marines arent going to chase after such a large amount of pirates with coated ships, so theres no point in it. Ace will be freed, and Whitebeard will help get them all on ships, and escape, but right before use the rest of his strength causing a earthquake to fuck up Marine HQ. Whitebeard will die on a ship while leaving marineford
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WB won't die but you think Ace will die? o_O
You reading the wrong manga bros.
Maybe WB won't die (problably he will but like I know Oda he will tell us that in a flashback like all others death) but will be out of action.
Aye.
This thread is boring…
Other thread isn't/ wasn't...
I did say that WB dies on that thread.
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The manga is deconstructed people…WB is going to die..Popular Deidara died in Naruto so why wont Ace ?
Your arguments are indeed perfect !deidara is a fucking creation of kishimoto and ace is a fucking character from oda's mind.. you simply cant compare them.. wow what an argument you have..
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deidara is a fucking creation of kishimoto and ace is a fucking character from oda's mind.. you simply cant compare them.. wow what an argument you have..
Both arguments as they stand are highly flawed.
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Ace's death seems to be the most original solution for the whole crysis. It would set up the stage for the next part of the One Piece play, would establish and reestablish old and new actors and would set the motion with quite a bang.
And the most important point - it would shape Luffy in a damn likeable protagonist. Not that he is unlikeable for a shonen main hero today, on the contrary; but a more strong willed determination, a resolve built upon fatal mistakes - such traits would be the finishing touches to his image.
What I would consider another arguement towards this event - Oda's last words about Luffy's aging. A timeskip seems to be appropriate at such point - not only the Straw Hat crew will finally gather over some months, but Luffy himself will have time to consider the situation, his role in it and how should he carry on. Meanwhile he can do whatever he wants - either dance happily or drown in his own sorrow - only to overcome this, to develop, to mature - well, not that far, actually - and to return to the main story.The greatest obstacle to this is Oda, his own kindness and attitude towards his story.
So I'd wish for reason to prevail. At least this time.
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Both arguments as they stand are highly flawed.
kishimoto may read OP and care a shit bout it but he doesnt control the story of OP because he isnt the author.. vice fucking versa
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If Ace dies, he should get a jedi "funeral" :D
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Is it just for me… Ot are the newbies a bit annoying?
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So does luffy. He failed both against kizaru and aokiji and look at where he is now? Do we know against whom WB lost while being a rookie? Luffy and ace are similar to quote WB THEY ARE RECKLESS.
Your line of argument here is interesting since later in this very post you cite the differences between their situations. So which is it?
we don't have much material to argue about so i will say that i agree that Ace has never been shown how to overcome a difficult situation and face it with strong will. Though wasn't his last line before loosing to WB a sign of strong resolve? Whatever…
That's a roundabaout way to say I agree with you, Sammy!
There is no magic involved here. Ask an experienced martial arts master if he can't see when someone has talent. Why would it be different in OP? Old school pirates have that kind of 6th sense. Remember Blackbeard and luffy on jaya? I don't know if Sengoku has met Ace before but i agree that him going after the PKs son is more a political issue than a matter of strength even if he believes in it there is nothing to back it up.
Aha, I thought this would be showing up sooner or later.
You think this manga is about genetics. You understand nothing.
There is no such thing as potential or any innate ability, everything in this manga is embodied by HARD WORK
I agree.
See how easy those two words are instead of flip-flopping about?
This is where you stop being logical and include your assumptions. Why wouldn't 400+ chapters till this manga ends be enough for Oda to give Ace more screentime and developp his ambition?
Because the story is about….LUFFY'S QUEST FOR PIRATE KING??!!!
Why not End the old age and begin a new one while dealing with Aces struggle and make him stronger?
Because, as Roger's kid and a Whitebeard pirate, he is a symbol of that old age, jackass.
That's what he said. We don't know how it will after WBs death. Oda has shown me that he is able to perfectly in one chapter lay the ground for a huge step in Aces dev. He cares about his life now. He wants to live. He is glad to have a family which cares for him. That doesn't sound like I want to die no one likes me i'm the son of an asshole where is mommy….
You keep ignoring the fact that his ambition, everytime he has ever stated it (and he has no reason to lie), is to make someone else a Pirate King.
That makes him instantly inferior.
In fact WB said himself he won't die without freeing Ace, without securing the future of his sons. What about that? Why make WB say something like that and just kill him like he was saying trash? Does it fit in your One piece views? If WB dies it will be with a bang. He will probably make a big impact on the story before biting the dust.
This arc is so different from anything else in One Piece that it is almost tangible. Everything is coming to a head right now, do you not realise what a waste Whitebeard's death would be if his crew were still running around? It would be flushing Whitebeard down the toilet since they are one and the same, inextricably linked.
Why? There are a million of options in the future. See that's the error i made not long ago. Just take one option and claim it's the only thing that can happen…
The difference is my extrapolations are rooted in manga canon while yours are fanbased hogwash.
If Oda wants it one piece can become like naruto. You think you have a connection through the aether to odas brain which is ridiculous. I'm not saying this will happen or that and will be crap blablabla. Oda writes his story and he can perfectly make Ace meet luffy before having the final battle against BB.
Of course he can do anything, but Oda isn't such a ball-less hack as to ruin the fabric of his story with Ace's survival.
Oda can't do it i know it there is no way to do it. Believe me. Did you realise you sound like naruto?
Actually I've provided reasoning which you ignored even in your response, so nah.
Assumptions.
Ace: "LUFFY ITS MY GOAL TO MAKE WHITEBEARD THE PIRATE KING" Ace: "BLACKBEARD I WILL MAKE WHITEBEARD THE PIRATE KING" Ace: "GODDAMMIT IM SORRY POP I COULDNT MAKE YOU PIRATE KING AFTER ALL"
All happened in the manga.
Assumptions my fucking arse.
In terms of ambition yeah i agree. But what about Oda already changing it? Stop denying it.
Even if it's changed he's still a peg lower since he had that 300 chapter period in which he was fighting for someone else's goals, is it that hard to comprehend?
It won't be a fight as epic as against BB because the bad vs good won't be there but why will a legendary fight between 2 brothers to elevate Luffy above Rogers level be a bad thing? Hm?
Now look who's pulling trite shit out of their backside. Son, you are a compendium of every horrible aspect of apforums.net.
Again it has been both. Aces therapy
OH GOD LOL
and the end of a pirate age. Which is why one piece is so interesting. Stop pretending only one thing can happen and the rest is BS…
It's not the end of a pirate age if Ace survives, he is a symbol of the Roger Pirates and the Whitebeard Pirates. If he lives, the old age lives with him, moron.
Do luffy and BB fit in Doflas views of the world? Certainly not… Must luffy and BB therefore die?
Luffy and Blackbeard aren't linked to the great age like Ace is, nor are they whimsical in their beliefs like Ace.
For someone claiming to know what one piece is about you display an interesting lack of comprehension here. Since when was one piece a hunt manga? Isn't it about adventures?
If his brother dies Blackbeard becomes his instant enemy who he will not spare. That's an adventure right there.
luffy has ties to the revs due to his father. He will meet his father soon or later.
Maybe you forgot but One Piece has never been about ancestral ties. Just read this very arc
Luffy already has ties with ivankov and bo hancock but his main goal here is to save his brothers ass. And he pushes forward with all his might. This arc shows how much resolve luffy has and how ace situation changes.
It shows Luffy's resolve, it doesn't show shit about "how ace situation changes", which you haven't even bothered to characterise anyway.
Holy fuck this is a dumb statement. "No other rival for the new world guys! Everything has already been setup". WTF?
You see this is what happens when you cut off half the sentence and ignore the meaning of a complete paragraph, you see what you want to see, not what is actually appearing on the screen. That's what we call Aspergers.
Incredible.
Oh but luffy and his crew survived aokiji kizaru sentomarou and magellan. It was never their goal to defeat them… Remember the meeting with aokiji was a surprise for them as much as the one with kizaru from whom they were running away. Magellan was never meant to be defeated... Luffy had to run away from him which he did in round 2.
Luffy stood toe-to-toe with Magellan twice, the first time he got raped, the second time he was about to get raped despite his wax shit and said "fuck it I'm out of dodge".
Right now you're actually suggesting these three Admirals, who haven't even broken a sweat, and Garp and Sengoku, who haven't even entered the battlefield will be defeated.
By a crew that is on their knees.
jesus crist
Lol. "luffy and co failed to defeat strong opponents yet survived all" is now reason enough to accept that the reason why luffy fought all his way to the MHQ can die? No that doesn't work.
This doesn't even make sense, speak English.
No? And what about him struggling going by length into harming his health to an extend we haven't seen before just for a "no no sorry young one you will receive a major kick in the balls AGAIN". Which might be nice to see but it would be the same shit luffy had against sentomarou and kizaru against Magellan and against the numerous guys in the war who caused him so much trouble. … Because it's a common formula "struggle struggle much more struggle somehow a happy end for the main char despite what has been lost"...
You see, you haven't even absorbed anything, you've just ignored the argument again:
"who died and said Luffy has to succeed"
Respond to that.
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Ace has been saved by the bell twice now. That would be pointless if he dies.
Also, how would Luffy react to Ace's death. He just said he wouldn't wanna live anymore if Ace died because he failed to save him, so that'd be quite a story mess-up as well. If anybody here has read Tsubasa RC, you'll also know how a series can drop if all the characters start mourning.
Oda also said that a party should be had at the end of each arc. If Whitebeard dies and Ace, the reason behind the war, there's nothing left to party for.
Right now you're actually suggesting these three Admirals, who haven't even broken a sweat, and Garp and Sengoku, who haven't even entered the battlefield will be defeated.
It is happening. Whitebeard will hardly go down without a fight and the commanders (at least Marco) should be able to continue a little further. Seriously, even Usopp got up after getting jammed with a 10-finger Shigan during the CP9 arc.
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It's not the end of a pirate age if Ace survives, he is a symbol of the Roger Pirates and the Whitebeard Pirates. If he lives, the old age lives with him, moron.
You know how many people have to die by that logic?
If his brother dies Blackbeard becomes his instant enemy who he will not spare. That's an adventure right there.
Maybe you forgot but One Piece has never been about ancestral ties. Just read this very arc
One Piece has also never been about Luffy getting revenge like this.
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You know, normally I'd be interested in Zephos's posts even if I don't agree with them. This time however the fact that Zephos himself started the argument not to mention he's pointlessly going over stuff argued long ago already just makes it lose its special charm making me skim through the entire thing.
Oh and Ace will totally live.
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The simple answer to this is:
If Ace dies, Luffy fails. Luffy cannot fail, specialy since he already has the key, and he has gone through hell to get there. Luffy can't simply fail this time.
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"who died and said Luffy has to succeed"
Respond to that.
No one! You have every right to make your own predictions. But you're going "all in" here old fighter… Which isn't that safe.
I'm not carying enough for aces life to continue with wall of replies. I had a problem with you stating your opinions as facts and completely ignoring alternatives. Have a nice day :) -
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Sammy is right. Ace will die 100% for sure.
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I want to see who voted 'yes' and 'no'.
Mods?
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I voted no. (As in not going to die)
Can mods make it viewable who voted what?
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Ace will live. In fact I should quote everyone saying "Ace will die" to laugh at them later :D
IF someone must die, it would be WB.
I said IF because not one single character has died since the beginning of this manga (excepting flashbacks).
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what should I vote for if I think Aces is gonna die and turned into a zombie by Moria?
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You suck and so does your thread.
Maybe you need to be reminded of Forum Rules:
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That being said, i don't see the need for a poll. WB will die, no doubt about it. I think he'll probably sacrifice himself at the very end to ensure safe passage for the remenants of his alliance to escape, and probably take most of Marine HQ with him or do a ton of damage to them.
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WB's statement about chosing Ace to be the King, wasnt made for nothing.
When does WB said something like that? Did you really believe in Sengoks words? Sengok is a liar. See what he and Aka Inu did to Squardo
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I voted no. (As in not going to die)
Can mods make it viewable who voted what?
Usually you can click on the poll results total to view who voted.
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I think he said it around chapter 550 shortly after the flashback from Ace. I can't remember the exact chapter, though
Edit:@SMUDGE: Ok, thanks.
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Zach has mentioned the key a bunch of times, saying that there's a rule in storytelling that once something is introduced like that, it has to be used. If that's true, then Ace will at least break free from the cuffs.
I don't see Ace dying. It seems like that kind of focus has shifted to Whitebeard. I don't see it happening after two near saves.
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Zach has mentioned the key a bunch of times, saying that there's a rule in storytelling that once something is introduced like that, it has to be used. If that's true, then Ace will at least break free from the cuffs.
I don't see Ace dying. It seems like that kind of focus has shifted to Whitebeard. I don't see it happening after two near saves.
It's the storytelling technique called Chekhov's Gun
The example here is that if you see a gun portrayed in a story ("I noticed Mr. Donovan had a Glock sitting on his desk when I walked by.") it has to come up later in the story ("Mr. Donovan had his Glock shoved at my forehead")…the same goes with the key:
Because this event happened, something will happen with that key. It'd be bad storytelling if Oda just introduced the key and then it didn't play any role in the story. The thing is, as we all know, Oda is a pretty good storyteller. This doesn't necessarily mean Ace is going to live…it just means his handcuffs will probably come off or the key will be used in some way. However, this does bode well for Ace's situation.
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Keys vanish all the time in OP.
For instance, the dog ate the key when in Buggy arc.
Crocodile species thing ate the other key in Alabasta.
Buggy and Mr. 3 made their own keys in ID.
EL was the only one that had a key, that was naturally used…
Other than that, nothing really happened with "keys"..
Maybe only seastone cuffs need a key to be used.
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Keys vanish all the time in OP.
For instance, the dog ate the key when in Buggy arc.
Crocodile species thing ate the other key in Alabasta.
Buggy and Mr. 3 made their own keys in ID.
EL was the only one that had a key, that was naturally used…
Other than that, nothing really happened with "keys"..
Maybe only seastone cuffs need a key to be used.
I'm not saying it will necessarily open the handcuffs, I'm just saying it will play a role in the storyline later on.
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Very probably. Either opening the cuffs or having Aokiji snatching it from luffy and dissolving it in his hand or somesuch.
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@Zach:
I'm not saying it will necessarily open the handcuffs, I'm just saying it will play a role in the storyline later on.
I know it will, I just hate that part of it…
Hope the key never comes back and just gets destroyed.
It's the only thing that forces Luffy to keep on being "awake" in the middle of the war.
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Yeah, fuck that key. He's an asshole!
Legit hate for the key?
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I know it will, I just hate that part of it…
Hope the key never comes back and just gets destroyed.
It's the only thing that forces Luffy to keep on being "awake" in the middle of the war.
First off, if it gets destroyed it is returning as an element of the story. Second off, it's probably better for Luffy if he just rescues Ace and goes to sleep for a couple weeks. As we've seen, if he continues to push himself like this he will die…sooner rather than later.
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It will be better than the Will WB die thread… That's for sure.
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Someone should start a poll about whether the key will die.
That's the best idea I've heard all day.
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@Zach:
First off, if it gets destroyed it is returning as an element of the story. Second off, it's probably better for Luffy if he just rescues Ace and goes to sleep for a couple weeks. As we've seen, if he continues to push himself like this he will die…sooner rather than later.
I hate the key because it is the only notable reason why Luffy got a whole Haki blast last chapter out of his ass and stuff…
I was disappointed that haki blast happened and the blame goes to the key.
If the key would be "passed on" to another character, I wouldn't care, but it doesn't look like it.
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I hate the key because it is the only notable reason why Luffy got a whole Haki blast last chapter out of his ass and stuff…
I was disappointed that haki blast happened and the blame goes to the key.
If the key would be "passed on" to another character, I wouldn't care, but it doesn't look like it.
You're not going to blame Ace for the Haki, you're going to blame a key? I really don't understand why you're…ah forget it.
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You don't know luffy AGOG. If he hadn't the key he will try with his hands to break Aces chains.
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@Zach:
That's the best idea I've heard all day.
Personally I think the key will be swallowed by an animal but remain alive.
Oda has previous form on this in East Blue and Arabasta.
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@Zach:
You're not going to blame Ace for the Haki, you're going to blame a key? I really don't understand why you're…ah forget it.
Why blame Ace…
It was thanks to the key that Luffy was running around AFTER he fell down.
If he wasn't holding onto that key, he wouldn't be running around and stuff...
When Oda gave him the key and refused to give it to another, it makes Luffy be the one to free Ace no matter what. I felt let down on that part...
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Yeah, Ace better die. There's no way there's room for him in the story.
There's only room for
Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Chopper
Nami
Robin
Brooke
Franky
Usopp
Blackbeard and his crew
Sengoku
Ao Kiji
Kizaru
Akainu
Garp
The remaining shicihbukai
The rest of the emperors
Dragon
The unknown revolutionaries
Buggy
Dadan
Wapol
Enel
The Cp9
Jango and Fullbody
Coby and Helmeppo
Vivi
Mr. 11
Woop Slap….and every character that Oda has yet to introduce, in like, I'll say 8 arcs.
But Ace? Man, there's no way we can fit a story line with him in. I mean, how many more chapters do we have? Yeah...Ace better die. It'd be better for the story. I don't think Oda has what it takes to make a good characters, I mean most of them are just terrible. Killing him is totally the good and creative thing to do.
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The key has more chances to survive than Ace does.
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Personally I think the key will be swallowed by an animal but remain alive.
Oda has previous form on this in East Blue and Arabasta.
I think the key actually had a devil fruit and will turn into some sort of mythical animal like a unicorn and destroy Marineford with its firebreath, and die of AIDS right afterwards.
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