@Fire Fist:
Well, Kakuzu's death at Kakashi's hands might qualify, though it's not really the same thing…
Edit: The things you find on the internet:
Oh god, that made my night. So f*cking funny.
@Fire Fist:
Well, Kakuzu's death at Kakashi's hands might qualify, though it's not really the same thing…
Edit: The things you find on the internet:
Oh god, that made my night. So f*cking funny.
That's not funny, Elmo's a good kid, he doesn't deserve to get enema'd by Naruto. :sad:
Why did you have to go and bring Elmo into this? Elmo's show >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto's show.
Well, after over a week…the chapter is out...and I just realized how wrong I was about how this was going to turn out better than expected. In particular, I didn't like Yahiko just saying "well you know all the talk I said about being God...well you're the real God, Nagato, so kill me and you can save the world because you have Rinnengan". With Nagato's self-mentioning that he's "still a kid", it obviously was going to traumatize him for life...and Konan is still useless. (at least the proper excuse is "it was raining")
Ugh. I hate to be a whiner, but I really didn't enjoy reading this chapter. That Nagato was the one to kill Yahiko is a little bit more emotional than Yahiko simply dying, but everything was too simplistic and straightforward for me to really care about what was happening. Recycled panels is always a bore, but this took it a bit far. We learned absolutely nothing from this chapter outside of "We got older and formed a gang. Danzo and Hanzo tricked us. Konan was held hostage with a knife, and rather than attempting to rescue her with our godly powers, Yahiko made me stab him." I mean, couldn't he do most of that with one panel? Not one page, one panel?
What I don't get is, why the "Despite you three being lured into an ambush and horribly outnumbered, YOU, his friend have to kill him!! Even though I'm this godly superninja, who takes on 3 sannin at once! I guess I'm just randomly sadistic! And afterwards…we'll let you other guys GO FREE, because you would of course be completely uninclined to hate us!! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Why didn't they just say "lawlz, tricked you" and then waste those 3 kids?
Weird, I thought I was reading a new chapter and instead all I got where panels from 372.
…Yeah, those extra panels were retarded.
...This has got to be the least effective flashback I've ever read.
And in other news, Viz apparently translated Shinra Tensei as ''Almighty Push''. So now the destruction of Konoha can actually elicit emotion from us. Laughter and snickering, that is.
Is it just me or is this flash back dull as hell? I'm like feeling zero emotion from the author, here.
@Thousand:
Is it just me or is this flash back dull as hell? I'm like feeling zero emotion from the author, here.
No flashbacks match one piece flash backs
No flashbacks match one piece flash backs
There are many series with great flashbacks, this series is not one of them.
The part with Jiraiya was ok, I guess.
But the girl-hostage plot device is getting so overused in this one…I'm tempted to call Kishi a sexist.:silly:
It was almost comical that Konan was held as a hostage all of a sudden.
I ended up asking myself:
How the fuck did she get up there?
But now It's official, that girl is useless...
I still believe someday a strong leadgirl will appear in Naruto, though!
.......
Yeah, right! LOL
Wow. That was horrible. I can't really find a way to care with it being so sloppily thrown together like that. This is his mysterious past?
@Thousand:
There are many series with great flashbacks, this series is not one of them.
I know i was just stating that one piece had the best (in my opinion at least) but your right there are many series with good flash back scenes
speaking of series but does anyone know a good fighting series
(don't get overly pissed about me asking this all you have to do is ask me to edit it out and I will)
I've read one piece, naruto, bleach, reborn, db/dbz, claymore, air gear, history's strongest disciple kenchi, Shaman King, Rurouni Kenshin, fairy tail, hunter x hunter, eyeshield 21 (even though it's not a fighting manga),
D. grayma, black cat, YuYu Hakusho and I'm currently reading tri-gun
Grappler Baki,Garouden,Shamo,Hokuto No Ken,Soten no Ken,Hajime No Ippo.
…Yeah, those extra panels were retarded.
...This has got to be the least effective flashback I've ever read.And in other news, Viz apparently translated Shinra Tensei as ''Almighty Push''. So now the destruction of Konoha can actually elicit emotion from us. Laughter and snickering, that is.
None for me thanks, just of lot of shaking my head in disbelief.
i felt sadder when the dog died
it was like an innocent bystander in this shitty flashback
speaking of series but does anyone know a good fighting series
read soul eater
it's the best
Grappler Baki,Garouden,Shamo,Hokuto No Ken,Soten no Ken,Hajime No Ippo.
Thanks
read soul eater
it's the best
Thanks
i felt sadder when the dog died
it was like an innocent bystander in this shitty flashback
so true…. it's sad when feel sadder from seeing a dog you've known for less than half a chapter die than a main flashback character
sigh Oh Kishi.
To me seeing Jiraiya wax philosophical was the only interesting part. Yeah yeah, your friend made you kill him to save your other friend. That's still NOTHING compared to several other characters. Gah, what self-righteous bullshit.
To me seeing Jiraiya wax philosophical was the only interesting part.
That was just copied from the previous flashback during Jiraiya vs. Pain.
So actually there was nothing interesting in this chapter.
EDIT: Anyone else find it funny that Hanzou simply didn't kill them all there or is that just me. I mean it would have saved him from getting killed later by a stronger Nagato.
Not sure about you guys but it thought that the chapter wasnt that bad, though im surprised they didnt killed all of the ppl in Yahiko's gang.
That chapter was retarded. Holy Shit.
A) Why didn't Hanzo and Danzo destroy Yahiko and Nagato (Obvious)?
B) Why didn't Yahiko and Nagato realize these guys were afraid of them and just go beat Hanzo up? He took a damn hoatage because he was afraid of Nagato and Yahiko's strength and the Rinnengan.
Hanzo couldn't kill Konan or he'd lose his one advantage and get them super pissed off. They would have killed hanzo and probably died in doing so. Hanzo was screwed except for the fact that Nagato and Yahiko were stupid naive kids.
C) Why's Nagato so sad? His idiot friend jumped on a kunai and killed himself. Nagato is a weak minded bitch and needs to get a fucking swirly. That would make a damn good chapter doncha think, Naruto giving Nagato a swirly or a wedgie for being a little crybaby.
I think the stupid part about this chapter in general is that this chapter seemed to echo the unsung hero of the series: coping mechanisms. The only reason why Naruto even remains sane in this world is that he was able to cope with being a monster from day one due to his circumstances…and that most of the other characters who are villains or screwed up just couldn't cope with it and need him to get them out:
-Sasuke is a whiny baby who is literally brainwashed by everyone who comes across him and makes him emotional because he never can find a way to cope with the death of his clan
-Gaara couldn't cope being a monster due to being manipulated into being a weapon by his village
-Nagato was given god-like delusions due to mistakes of others, Jiraiya's words on the Sage of Six Paths and ultimately Yahiko believing it and committing suicide to make Nagato become said god.
-Orochimaru couldn't cope with the death of his parents and ends up influenced by the "white snake" legend to become this invincible immortal
-Itachi couldn't cope with living in a world of war and the Uchiha delusionment of their past so he decided to become a sacrifice to save his younger brother
You get the point: Naruto had a foundation to "get over it", none of the other wackjobs did, that's why we're stuck with him as hero.
So does that make each and everyone of us Sasukes, Nagatos, Gaaras etc. for not coping with how bad this series is?
Don't we cope by reading One Piece?
That chapter was retarded. Holy Shit.
A) Why didn't Hanzo and Danzo destroy Yahiko and Nagato (Obvious)?
B) Why didn't Yahiko and Nagato realize these guys were afraid of them and just go beat Hanzo up? He took a damn hoatage because he was afraid of Nagato and Yahiko's strength and the Rinnengan.
Hanzo couldn't kill Konan or he'd lose his one advantage and get them super pissed off. They would have killed hanzo and probably died in doing so. Hanzo was screwed except for the fact that Nagato and Yahiko were stupid naive kids.
C) Why's Nagato so sad? His idiot friend jumped on a kunai and killed himself. Nagato is a weak minded bitch and needs to get a fucking swirly. That would make a damn good chapter doncha think, Naruto giving Nagato a swirly or a wedgie for being a little crybaby.
A)Maybe they wanted to kill them, but Nagato got directly berserk after Yahikos death?
B)I don't think this little group of Nagato, Yahiko and Konan was that dangerous. If I remember right, the chapter just said that they grew too big to be ignored. And wasn't Hanzou a super-strong ninja, fighting the 3 sannins at same time? They were never on his level at the moment. Only Nagato with his Rinnegan was able to kill him, but we still don't know how this eyes work. And I also don't think Hanzou knew about the Rinnegan either. But that argument is based on nothing.
C) Don't act like an asshole. Yes, seeing your whole clan getting killed by your brother is horrible, but seeing your best friend dying in front of you is still a big deal for anybody who is still a human.
I'm not defending the series here, this flashback sucks, but some complaints are really ridiclious.
So does that make each and everyone of us Sasukes, Nagatos, Gaaras etc. for not coping with how bad this series is?
What do you think this thread is for?
I looked at a random image from the chapter and decided not to even give it the old flip through.
What do you think this thread is for?
You mean this thread's purpose is to turns is exactly into Sasukes, Gaaras and Nagatos? Somebody burn this thing quick, please!
Later on pain killed Hanzou, his family, everyone who ever made business with him and their grandmothers, literally. At first I thought the flashback at least had some merit in explaining that it was because of his parents why Pain was exerting himself so much by levelling Konoha. Now it seems odd tho that he let Danzo go, the other guy responsible for his "second source of pain".
edit: lol@this narutowiki pain trivia:
:D
That's because he's too busy practicing his self-righteous monologues.
Danzou's involvement seems so forced in this flaskblack, just to make him more of a bad guy in a shitty cheap way.
I've read one piece, naruto, bleach, reborn, db/dbz, claymore, air gear, history's strongest disciple kenchi, Shaman King, Rurouni Kenshin, fairy tail, hunter x hunter, eyeshield 21 (even though it's not a fighting manga),
D. grayma, black cat, YuYu Hakusho and I'm currently reading tri-gun
So no one remembers basilisk???
I am the only one. . .
this one is still in my top 5 !!!
And for god sake start reading berserk
Also, naruto for me is starting to live up to the title "worste manga ever". It could be so cause I don't read bleach though. . .
"worste manga ever".
Where is the facepalm smilie when you need one? Exaggerating much?
Hey this is an alright manga…
Whoops, wrong thread
There are way worse manga than Naruto. Way, way worse.
There are way worse manga than Naruto. Way, way worse.
This is very true but Naruto is still awful.
Ehh it's mileage varies (quality goes up and down - usually down) but it's generally not as enjoyable as it used to be - because there were times when it was undeniably good.
It's not the piss pot that is Bleach, for example.
Ehh it's mileage varies (quality goes up and down - usually down) but it's generally not as enjoyable as it used to be - because there were times when it was undeniably good.
It's not the piss pot that is Bleach, for example.
You'd be surprised on how many members here think Bleach is better than Naruto.
Just because it utilizes side-character fights.
Ehh it's mileage varies (quality goes up and down - usually down) but it's generally not as enjoyable as it used to be - because there were times when it was undeniably good.
It's not the piss pot that is Bleach, for example.
My point is just because we realize there are worse manga doesn't mean we should suddenly lower our standards for this manga and think "Eh, it's not THAT bad." It's like people eating a turd sandwich and then eating a moldy sandwich. People forget the awesome taste of a regular PP&J sandwich.
Ehh it's mileage varies (quality goes up and down - usually down) but it's generally not as enjoyable as it used to be - because there were times when it was undeniably good.
It's not the piss pot that is Bleach, for example.
This.
Can't say how much you're right.
I remember the time when Naruto was actually a pretty good manga, but these times are over. But to be fair, sometimes Kishi does something that isn't that bad, or even enjoyable. And compared to Bleach, I would still call it good. Sometimes, people get really pissed when the author of a story writes something that a lot people dislike (Sasuke killing Orochimaru, as an example), but It's still his decision and there are still some people who actually enjoy it.
And yeah, Bleach is really a piss pot.
You'd be surprised on how many members here think Bleach is better than Naruto.
Just because it utilizes side-character fights.
It's not just because they fight but because sometimes their individual personalities get into the spotlight. I have yet to see a Naruto character that equals the awesomeness of Kurotsuchi Mayuri. Screw that, I have yet to see a speech in Naruto that makes he think a bit as Kurotsuchi Mayuri's speech he gave Szayel Aporro Grantz about the problem with perfection. That was some deep shit.
Ehh it's mileage varies (quality goes up and down - usually down)
I've been waiting for the the quality to go up for over 20 volumes.
Is Naruto not on in the US anymore?
because if it isnt..im stuck on Episode 121 and for manga..im on ch.8 XD
Nope,
CN took it off a while ago.
I've been waiting for the the quality to go up for over 20 volumes.
Even if I may not like the fact that new characters don't have the punch or the energy the old characters did, I can't pretend that things like the Sasori and Deidara fights weren't awesome (even if I wasn't pleased with their outcomes). I may be pissed that Kishi underutilizes awesome characters, kills off all my favorites, and overhypes Sasuke and Naruto, there are times when Naruto is entertaining and I think people are quick to paint even parts that are good with the "Naruto is Shit" brush unfairly.
I liked seeing Killer Bee tear the shit out of Sasuke, and I liked Naruto's sennin-mode reveal, so, at least for me, there are pockets of Naruto worth enjoying and that's in part because of the groundwork that Kishi lays down as he goes. Seeing the Hachibi rape Sasuke wouldn't have been half as satisfying if we hadn't just seen him act like a petulant child after Itachi's death.
Naruto is not scraping the bottom of the barrel by any means. It's not what it's fans hype it up to be, but it's also not the antichrist. I'm betting that most of us wouldn't talk about Naruto like it was something mothers speak of in dark places to frighten their young if it weren't for its fanbase.
Looking at Naruto and Bleach on the whole, I feel Naruto is more disappointing because it had so much more potential than Bleach ever had. But I feel that Bleach is ten thousand times more shallow (and worse, lazy) and not in a good way.
At any rate, I wouldn't go so far as to call Naruto awful. I think lackluster and disappointing are better words. Because there ARE manga which are unquestionably awful.
Oh, post-time skip has had it's good points (I agree on Killer Bee, easily one of the best new characters), but it seems like for every high point there's dozens of low points.
Oh, post-time skip has had it's good points (I agree on Killer Bee, easily one of the best new characters), but it seems like for every high point there's dozens of low points.
That's how I feel, basically. Shit could be so much better.
The difference between Naruto and Bleach for me though is Bleach is so much shallower, so it's easy (at least for me) to expect much less from it. If I've got high expectations for something and am disappointed in how something happens – that's bad, but if something is so bland and formulaic that I can't have any expectations at all -- that's worse, in my humble opinion.
Even if I may not like the fact that new characters don't have the punch or the energy the old characters did,
That's being kind.
I can't pretend that things like the Sasori and Deidara fights weren't awesome
You have however managed to pretend they are good.
I may be pissed that Kishi underutilizes awesome characters, kills off all my favorites, and overhypes Sasuke and Naruto, there are times when Naruto is entertaining and I think people are quick to paint even parts that are good with the "Naruto is Shit" brush unfairly.
There are tiny miniscule specks of decentness within the shit river of Part 2, and most of them are only cool for being so damned unlike everything else around it. Like Killer Bee beating the shit out of Sasuke, which was promptly ruined by the ol' deus ex machina eye.
I liked seeing Killer Bee tear the shit out of Sasuke,
Tada.
Seeing the Hachibi rape Sasuke wouldn't have been half as satisfying if we hadn't just seen him act like a petulant child after Itachi's death.
Yes, Sasuke started acting like a petulant child after Itachi died, that's when it started. Absolutely.
Naruto is not scraping the bottom of the barrel by any means.
Yeah, it pretty much is.
It's not what it's fans hype it up to be, but it's also not the antichrist. I'm betting that most of us wouldn't talk about Naruto like it was something mothers speak of in dark places to frighten their young if it weren't for its fanbase.
When you find a criticism of mine that can be deflated with this explanation I'll show you Pain being a good character.
Looking at Naruto and Bleach on the whole, I feel Naruto is more disappointing because it had so much more potential than Bleach ever had. But I feel that Bleach is ten thousand times more shallow (and worse, lazy) and not in a good way.
Bleach is mostly unbeleivably lifeless, not outright awful.
It's like going on a date with either an incredibly boring personalityless person or a smelly loud and obnoxious person. I'll take the former.
At any rate, I wouldn't go so far as to call Naruto awful.
I like how you associate calling Naruto awful with calling it the worst thing ever.