General 'Four Emperors' Discussion
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You have to be heartless not to love him.
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For that matter Moria was absolutely stronger than Luffy at the time they fought.
It always amazes me how many people forget that Moria was beaten by completely blind luck, rather than by Luffy directly
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@The:
It always amazes me how many people forget that Moria was beaten by completely blind luck, rather than by Luffy directly
Probably doesn't help that he wasn't shown to be that strong during the war :/
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He really didn't get to do much at all after impaling Oars though, other than tanking a gut-punch by Jinbe.
And being ambushed by a group of Pacifistas + Doflamingo is hardly fair.
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I don't like Moria but I love old/younger Moria…... In his younger days he looked like a beast so it's only natural for a beast looking guy to be a rival of a beast....
Imagine him laughing telling Kaido he won't win against him and the fight starts but he's crew being weak got wiped out easily and now they outnumber Moria he had to retreat... They love ganging up on him.
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Moria is an interesting kinda character to me, It's completely apparent why he's kinda villainous and pissy after being defeated. I also like the idea that over time his laziness and lack of motivation made him weaker.
I'd love to see him fighting for the good side so that plot could finally be on his side lmao. I'm thinkin after the WG betrayal he's gonna have some trust issues before making friends tho :(His relationship with Kaidou definitly leaves a nice slot for him to appear again.
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I'm of the opinion that Moria will be heavily surgically modified by Hogback by the time he reappears in the story. Maybe only having a small group of elite zombies to support him. If you look at the stuff his shadow powers and Hogback's modifications were able to accomplish for some of those guys, and then try to apply it to a single fighter, you can end up with some impressive stuff. Also consider that there's no reason to believe he can't do the same style of combat shapeshifting that he had Oz do during the fight against the Strawhats… I'm a Moria fan, but it might be partially because so many people dislike him.
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This guy gets it. Didn't someone say Moriah is or was as strong as Kaido?
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@God:
This guy gets it. Didn't someone say Moriah is or was as strong as Kaido?
A random fodder said Moria fight equally with Kaido a long time ago.
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I've never liked Moria, if only Doflamingo killed him but Meh. I really disliked his Arc.
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i only like young moria.. and if he would ever get back in shape then i might start liking him for real.. :p
young, flat chest, biker moria ftw.. :p
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@melody:
i only like young moria.. and if he would ever get back in shape then i might start liking him for real.. :p
young, flat chest, biker moria ftw.. :p
So you don't like fat people, is that it
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So you don't like fat people, is that it
no.. god no.. lol.. i don't like it that moria got fat and lazy and his motto became "you do it" i want to see the young moria the one that challenged kaido.. once more.. :p
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Implying that fodder isn't going to be the next Pirate King.
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@God:
Implying that fodder isn't going to be the next Pirate King.
Are you referring to me? And if yes what do you mean?
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Something tells me that Moriah might have given up on piracy altogether.
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Something tells me that Moriah might have given up on piracy altogether.
It's definitely a possibility. I do think he'll have gotten back into shape over the timeskip though, getting ready for one more crack at Kaido. Without his plans for being Pirate King, I think that's pretty much all Moria has to live for, revenge on the man(?) who slaughtered his crew.
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It's definitely a possibility. I do think he'll have gotten back into shape over the timeskip though, getting ready for one more crack at Kaido. Without his plans for being Pirate King, I think that's pretty much all Moria has to live for, revenge on the man(?) who slaughtered his crew.
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.. but somewhat depressing how coincidentally suicidal you made Moria sound. -
Something tells me that Moriah might have given up on piracy altogether.
Since Absalom is apparently a paparazzi now would love Moria to become some big shot media mogul. Sitting on his fat ass in his office with a cigar in his mouth shouting: "get me more pictures of strawhat, Absalom!".
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@LUFFYSMC:
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.. but somewhat depressing how coincidentally suicidal you made Moria sound.Hey if you had a chin zipper and a massacred former crew you'd be nigh suicidal as well I'd wager lol.
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Are you referring to me? And if yes what do you mean?
I meant the fodder that said that is going to be Pirate King.
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So Big Mom has made an appearance. Do you guys think she was hurt by the bomb SH sent her?
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So Big Mom has made an appearance. Do you guys think she was hurt by the bomb SH sent her?
Such an impactful scene would've been shown to us.
Not to mention the whole thing with the days. Pekoms and Tamago couldn't have arrived in Whole Cake yet.
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^ You're right, they couldn't have gotten it back to her yet. She probably watched the broadcast Caesar put on, saw the Strawhats take him, and decided to kill two birds with one stone.
The ship is really weird though, it talks! :blink:
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Since Absalom is apparently a paparazzi now would love Moria to become some big shot media mogul. Sitting on his fat ass in his office with a cigar in his mouth shouting: "get me more pictures of strawhat, Absalom!".
Absa is not Absalom. Oda said so in an SBS.
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Absa IS Absalom lol.
That's what Oda said in the SBS.
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Let me check…...How the hell did I read that wrongly?
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I just find it downright hilarious that Oda freaking had to spell it out that Absa was Absalom. As if the freaking ship wasn't a dead giveaway….
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Gekko Moria voiced by JK Simmons.
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I feel like Big Mom might have the power to bring objects to life. That's why her ship talks, and that's what she was eating last time we saw her. She brought gingerbread men or something, to life.
Would ramp down on the cannibalism a bit, which is nice.
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I'm not going to check if this was mentioned before, but the first view of Big Mom (Chapter 651) was almost exactly one year ago. I have a strong feeling that we'll see her full reveal by the end of 2014.
Edit: Make that two years ago and 2013.
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I'm not going to check if this was mentioned before, but the first view of Big Mom (Chapter 651) was almost exactly one year ago. I have a strong feeling that we'll see her full reveal by the end of 2014.
it was 2 years ago
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I feel like Big Mom might have the power to bring objects to life. That's why her ship talks, and that's what she was eating last time we saw her. She brought gingerbread men or something, to life.
Would ramp down on the cannibalism a bit, which is nice.
Whoa, this is a pretty awesome idea.
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^ That would be interesting. Kind of like Moria's zombies but without the shadow theft. Maybe it only works on sweets? That might explain why the ship looks like it's made of cake and cookies.
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So who do we have money on seeing first? Kaido, upset by all the chaos and uncertainty surrounding the creation of his army? Or Big Mom who already has her crew on the scene?
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Judging from the plot, we will have a glimpse of Big Mom. Kaido will appear later when Doflamnigo fails to give the SMILE's. Plus I think that Big Mom is trying to use Caesar Clown to put leverage over Kaido.
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I'm 70% sure Kaido won't give a shit once Doflamingo is defeated
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I'm 70% sure Kaido won't give a shit once Doflamingo is defeated
Yeah, cause a man who is intent on building an army of beasts won't bat an eyelid when his plans are ruined…:blink:
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@Buggy's:
Yeah, cause a man who is intent on building an army of beasts won't bat an eyelid when his plans are ruined…:blink:
I'm not going to respond sarcastically…
The guy already have 500+ Zoan user that's already an army, and one his commanders is on his way to give him the major price "Caribou and his knowledge", so now think for yourself
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I would say the odds are for Big Mom's reveal, based on two things.. 1) Since Law has admitted that he is not actually after Kaido, so its probably time to bring the focus back on SH's beef with big mom, 2) To speed up the joining of Jinbe into SH's crew.. It cant be done too much later from now and in order to bring him back to story line, the FI issue has to be solved with big mom.
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I'm not going to respond sarcastically…
The guy already have 500+ Zoan user that's already an army, and one his commanders is on his way to give him the major price "Caribou and his knowledge", so now think for yourself
For some reason, I completely forgot that Caribou knew about Poseidon…
Okay, here's my prediction: Strawhats evade Big Mom's forces after dealing some light damage. Luffy's crew takes apart Doflamingo's forces, earning some of Kaido's ire. Kaido finds out about Shirahoshi and sends forces to take control of Fishman Island. Jinbe arrives at Big Mom's and declares his intent to break ties with her, she's pissed but puts it off because the tea party is happening, Pekkoms and Tamago deliver the treasure and the bomb in the tamatebako goes off, destroying the party Big Mom loses her mind, and decides to go after Fishman Island to exact revenge. Three way war between Kaido, Big Mom and the Strawhats.
Law said that the Yonkou have massive forces and that a standard crew couldn't hope to wear down all their allies and subordinates before facing them. So two Yonkou will slam face first into each other.
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@kuma:
it was 2 years ago
Ahh, I shouldn't have been posting right before bed. 730-651=79. Definitely not last year. And I also meant she'd appear by the end of this year, 2013. Making a prediction for the end of next year would be useless. Thanks for correcting me.
Still, I think we'll see some parallelism. I think Big Mom will show her face by the end of this year, exactly two years after her first appearance.
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Not sure what will happen first: Kaido's reveal or the end of the Universe.
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Ahh, I shouldn't have been posting right before bed. 730-651=79. Definitely not last year. And I also meant she'd appear by the end of this year, 2013. Making a prediction for the end of next year would be useless. Thanks for correcting me.
Still, I think we'll see some parallelism. I think Big Mom will show her face by the end of this year, exactly two years after her first appearance.
I hope we get to see her and Kaido by the end of the year.
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@kuma:
I hope we get to see her and Kaido by the end of the year.
I wouldn't be surprised to only see Kaido fully revealed when Luffy finally comes face to face with him.
We've all been burned too many times already when it comes to hoping for Kaido's reveal.
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I wouldn't be surprised to only see Kaido fully revealed when Luffy finally comes face to face with him.
We've all been burned too many times already when it comes to hoping for Kaido's reveal.
I think Oda's saving Kaido for last for a reason. Big Mom hasn't fully been revealed, but we've at least seen something from her and her crew. Notging from Kaido so far. Isn't Kaido technically the strongest out of them all anyways? I mean he is considered the strongest creature in the world.
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Creature, and not man, for a reason.