Akainu/Sakazuki Discussion

FireFistAce 0

Clay Logia is a very interesting idea.

Never liked the idea of all 3 Admirals being Logias when the Garp has no fruit, Ryukushi was introduced, and if Sengoku has a fruit my bets on Paramecia or a unique ability unrelated to a DF. Almost makes it seem like they're only in their positions because they're Logias.

Dragon Spit? What the heck is that? I think you mean Rokushiki.

But the reason they have logias is probably to distinguish them from these other over-powered guys, in regards to their nicknames and superior status. We're seeing a lot of strong guys but there has to be something that distinguishes the top, even if it's semi-cheating.

Tricktype

@Roronoa:

aokiji is called pheasant because he's very relaxed all the time , kizaru monkey because he's kinda stupid and unserious , and i think that akainu dog because is a badass.
So the 3 names given are the explanation of their personalities.
and the blue , yellow , red give us the idea of their devil fruits.

The 3 admirals get their animal themes from an anciant legend of a hero that was aided on his journey by a monkey, pheasant, and dog. Not because of their personalities.

Shaman monk

@MonkeyDMalcolm:

he could be a wind logia or an air logia.

since we are talking about akainu it has to be something red or something dog

Ryuksgelus

@Tricktype:

The 3 admirals get their animal themes from an anciant legend of a hero that was aided on his journey by a monkey, pheasant, and dog. Not because of their personalities.

Doesn't mean Oda didn't develop their personalitis on the animals and even powers after giving them their names.

AlnaJames

Well they DO match their names - their characters seems to fit what their animals act like & their clothes scheme (watch Kizaru getting coloured in yellow) and devil fruit fit the colours.

AlmostLegendary

@Shaman:

since we are talking about akainu it has to be something red or something dog

I doubt that he is going to be anything other than a logia. Air doesn't have a color so it could be that.

Shaman monk

i always thought air was white or green 0.0 but thats true i guess, ok good post XD

AlmostLegendary

@Shaman:

i always thought air was white or green 0.0 but thats true i guess, ok good post XD

grass is green
clouds are white
sky is blue

Shaman monk

violets are blue
roses are red and
my is a rainbow

but wait isnt water clear to and ice

SillyDragons

Lava/Magma wouldn't work because of the One Piece anime filler. I realise it's not exactly the same thing. But it's just too damn similar. Don Acchino being similar to Ace was already enough.
I don't think Akainu will have another Logia fruit. Oda will likely surprise us.

Vegapunk

@SillyDragons:

Lava/Magma wouldn't work because of the One Piece anime filler. I realise it's not exactly the same thing. But it's just too damn similar. Don Acchino being similar to Ace was already enough.
I don't think Akainu will have another Logia fruit. Oda will likely surprise us.

there is a high possibility that akainu will have a logia fruit. i just want it to be that way something like blood, red and messy fruit:blink:

Ivotas

@SillyDragons:

Lava/Magma wouldn't work because of the One Piece anime filler. I realise it's not exactly the same thing. But it's just too damn similar. Don Acchino being similar to Ace was already enough.
I don't think Akainu will have another Logia fruit. Oda will likely surprise us.

I don't know why people always bring filler crap up to determine what doesn't work in the manga. It's filler so it totally is disqualified in terms of manga canon. The fact that Don Acchino's fruit has literelly nothing to do with logias neither lava nor with flame is only an additional point on the whole matter. Or do people also think that Dragon can't have a wind logia because that filler dude Erik had some sort of fruit that connects to wind?

Vegapunk

off topic is don achino a logia type?. he has that magma ability

Kurai Karakuri

@Vegapunk:

off topic is don achino a logia type?. he has that magma ability

I believe Don Achino has the ability to change his temperature at will. Nothing to do with magma.

On topic…

Blood would be an interesting fruit, but with Oda, you never know. If all we've got to work with is red, then it could be many things.

Like the Love Love fruit for example... or would that be pink?

Vegapunk

@Kurai:

I believe Don Achino has the ability to change his temperature at will. Nothing to do with magma.

On topic…

Blood would be an interesting fruit, but with Oda, you never know. If all we've got to work with is red, then it could be many things.

Like the Love Love fruit for example... or would that be pink?

ohh ok now i remember it. so he is definitely a paramecia type. ok i will stick with the theory akainu is a blood or magma logia

Shaman monk

im just saying that a person that could control lava isnt that far from a person that is lava or lava type except for some key differences.also the only thing thing elrik could do is slice the wind not actually control it like how don achino actually controlled it to create a wave.this is just my view on this.

on topic:im trying to find a picture of a person controling blood or good art that has blood to get the get the full perseption if someone was a blood logia so if any onecould find pictures thats would be cool

as for the clay power thing this is the best i could find. he kind of looks red.this could be like a clay armor form or when he goes full clay -_-
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/5158/clayface.gif

Ivotas

@Vegapunk:

off topic is don achino a logia type?. he has that magma ability

No he isn't. He simply is controling heat, which made him able to manipulate the movement of the lava. But it's not a lava logia type.

@Shaman:

im just saying that a person that could control lava isnt that far from a person that is lava or lava type except for some key differences.also the only thing thing elrik could do is slice the wind not actually control it like how don achino actually controlled it to create a wave.this is just my view on this.

He didn't control the lava itself but the heat, which manipulated the flow of the lava. If a volcanic erruption below sea level is strong enough to create a Tsunami you also wouldn't say that lava controls water because of the waves. Neither would you say that wind has control over sand just because it can determine the direction a sandstorm is heading. It's a reaction between two completely different things. And Don Acchino's ability follows the same route. He doesn't control lava because he himself is lava but because he can use heat as he likes. In other words he could even manipulate fire with that ability, but he wouldn't be fire. It's as simple as that.

Shaman monk

ok if you want akainu to be lava/maga thats your opinion . ill try to find pictures for the lava voters, the same way im trying to find pictures for clay and blood voters, but for me akainu being magma logia isnt something i could stand behind but that is just my opinion.

i found a better picture but not really red but clay
http://www.erikgist.com/images/clayface.jpg

for magma i think this is good tell me if you want a better picture
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/195136-9422-rockslide_super.jpg

and i still cant find a blood picture

Ivotas

That's not the point. What I'm arguing is the validity (sp?) of the arguments brough up here. When I speak of a lava logia then a heat paramecia is no argument against it's existence. When I speak of manga canon then filler crap is no valid counter argument either. Who I refer to as the user of said fruit is totally secondary. The imporant point is that the counter examples are invalid reasons to negate the existance of said ability. That's all. Couldn't care less if this is about Sakazuki or anyone else.

Shaman monk

whos sazuki 0.0?and i have to say that people saying its not magma/lava put up a good arguement but hey what do i know.

so do you guys like the pics does that represent the logia types that you wish akainu would have but i still need blood T-T

Ivotas

Sakazuki is the Red Dog, as Kuzan is the Blue Pheasant or Borsalino is the Yellow Monkey. I prefer calling characters by their real names rather then nicknames or titles. Such as I prefer Luffy or Teach over Strawhat or Blackbeard. ;)

And an argument is only good if the reasoning makes sense. If it doesn't it fails as a valid argument which was the case here because of elaborated reasons.

SillyDragons

@Ivotas:

I don't know why people always bring filler crap up to determine what doesn't work in the manga. It's filler so it totally is disqualified in terms of manga canon. The fact that Don Acchino's fruit has literelly nothing to do with logias neither lava nor with flame is only an additional point on the whole matter. Or do people also think that Dragon can't have a wind logia because that filler dude Erik had some sort of fruit that connects to wind?

Didn't Oda help out in that filler arc?

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Shaman monk

blood isnt creepy for one piece and it is red (well when it hits oxygen but we assume that hes going to release the blood outside to fight with it so problem solved with the whole color thing i guess)

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Shaman monk

i was thinking that because of the fruit he will have endless amount of blood and will use his body as his endless source. i dont think controling other peoples body…omg is it possible that the pink retarded guy of the shiki could control blood like katana from avatar the last air bender i know retarded but this reminds me of the same thing

Ivotas

@SillyDragons:

Didn't Oda help out in that filler arc?

Even if he would have written it all by himself it would not be manga canon. I find it really amusing how you guys continue to throw in stuff that doesn't change the evident.^^

Shaman monk

if you think about it does change it cause filler or not it still represents the series and the fact he did help with this filler kind of says something. not to be rude but we are not here for your amusement. so far there hasnt been anybody that have similar or the same abilities that came from a devil fruit.yeah he wasnt controlling the lava directly but he was tied and associated with the lava. thats my take on it

Tabasco

Tabasco fruit :) Suits his fiery person!

edit:

But what I really think, is that we have pun coming on our way.

Think of the other admirals,
Aokiji's nature is kind of warm and nice, opposed to the icy cold fruit.
Same with Kizaru, the guy is not too bright but has light logia?
Red dog seems cruel guy that holds the "Absolute Justice" so his fruit is something nice and 'fluffy'

Maybe Choppers favourite kind cotton candy logia? Well, maybe not but along the guidelines.

Ivotas

@Shaman:

if you think about it does change it cause filler or not it still represents the series and the fact he did help with this filler kind of says something. not to be rude but we are not here for your amusement.

No, it doesn't change anything because the point that filler material is not manga canon is in itself self evident. For him to have helped out on it only means that it helped out on it. It doesn't mean that he considers it as an essential part of a manga. It doesn't even mean that he acknowledges it as something that belongs to the manga. It only means the he helped out his friends at Toei with some little creative tidbits.

so far there hasnt been anybody that have similar or the same abilities that came from a devil fruit.yeah he wasnt controlling the lava directly but he was tied and associated with the lava. thats my take on it

Well then this fruit pretty much does tie in with a similar ability. I think it is self evident why heat connects to fire as it does to lava. That said if he is not lava but could manipulate it because of heat then the same should work out for fire too. That said, it would be a similar ability to Ace's and yet something totally different. And the same would apply to a lava logia.

And yes I can pretty much find the argument amusing. Don't see a reason why I shouldn't laugh at something that I find funny. Unless of course you're the dude that considered the term "furthermore" an offensive word.

Shaman monk

wow i hardly remember that yet some people(2-3 guys)remember that really clearly. to much time on your hands -_-

you could keep on saying that its a filler and that it doesnt count go ahead but all im saying that i dont agree and thats it and some dont agree either. i rather heardifferent opinions on different possibilitys than just one cause they feel its absolute.so say what you want to say and support it but dont put down other people possibilitys just cause you dont like it.

as a truce here is a person made out of magma that other people might support like im doing with the other possibilitys

http://www.mutanthigh.com/film/evolution/magma.jpg

edit: better picture
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/JMPTX/thunderdome/Week%2044/Group%20C/magma.jpg

wolfwood

@Tabasco:

But what I really think, is that we have pun coming on our way.

Think of the other admirals,
Aokiji's nature is kind of warm and nice, opposed to the icy cold fruit.
Same with Kizaru, the guy is not too bright but has light logia?
Red dog seems cruel guy that holds the "Absolute Justice" so his fruit is something nice and 'fluffy'

Maybe Choppers favourite kind cotton candy logia? Well, maybe not but along the guidelines.

Yknow i think you may be on to something, it would be so hilarious if that no-nonsense hardass marine had a fluffy & cute DF

AlmostLegendary

@Shaman:

wow i hardly remember that yet some people(2-3 guys)remember that really clearly. to much time on your hands -_-

you could keep on saying that its a filler and that it doesnt count go ahead but all im saying that i dont agree and thats it and some dont agree either. i rather heardifferent opinions on different possibilitys than just one cause they feel its absolute.so say what you want to say and support it but dont put down other people possibilitys just cause you dont like it.

as a truce here is a person made out of magma that other people might support like im doing with the other possibilitys

http://www.mutanthigh.com/film/evolution/magma.jpg

edit: better picture
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/JMPTX/thunderdome/Week%2044/Group%20C/magma.jpg

You can't take stuff from the anime and consider it canon towards the manga…..Why I wonder....Oh maybe cuz Oda didn't write.....you might as well consider the movies canon.....

JulieYBM

Milk Milk Fruit.

You know you hope it to be true…!

Kishido

@MonkeyDMalcolm:

You can't take stuff from the anime and consider it canon towards the manga…..Why I wonder....Oh maybe cuz Oda didn't write.....you might as well consider the movies canon.....

Well even if it is filler… but Don "whatevers" is a character created by Oda himself... That's the difference to the other fillers

Ryuksgelus

Don's existence still doesn't nullify the possibility of a lava logia in the slightest.

Thats like saying there can't be a Electricity Logia because a Wind Logia would give the user pseudo control over lightning.

Shaman monk

wait what 0.0, who is psuedo?, what does wings have have to do with lightning

wolfwood

To me its not as much a matter if its plausible or not, but rather that it would be really boring to have a lava fruit after going thru both a fire and a heat fruit. There arent that many variations of burning people to a crisp. And if Don is any indication they were already reaching for ways to use his power.

Ryuksgelus

I agree entirely its the most boring idea between Clay, Blood, Earth, Cerberus, or Dragon fruits. Its still entirely plausible and Don doesn't hinder the possibility one little bit.

Melted rock can do more than just burn. Morph his body into super-heated weaponry, turn into a Golem, encase people in stone, transform or destroy the ground under an opponents feat, on top of the expected long range techniques.

grunk

maybe a blood parmecia and he can warp his body into anyshape to the level of the dude from the end of akira

edit; it would be like an "omni-zoan" as well as in could theoreticly morph into any biological form.. like a giant crazy ass monster. would be a power befitting an admiral if he doesnt have a logia.. seeing as how red dog is a nutso cruel f-ck. this would rule.

JulieYBM

Nami: "How do you beat a guy made of blood?"

Sanji: "SALT!!!!!!!"

bardz

To clarify some stuff… oda has said himself in an SBS, that for fillers they come to him with ideas of what devils fruit they want to use, and if he doesn't want to use it later on in the manga, then he gives them permission to use them in fillers. I havn't seen this "Don" but if he had a lava logia, then oda will not use lava logia ever again in the manga/anime. read the SBS on arlongpark.net

AlnaJames

He had the HEAT paramecia, not the lava logia, god =_= How much time that must be stated in here?

bardz

this is why i refrain from posting so many idiots, i never said lava, i basically said, if pirate1 had "x" fruit in the fillers, then oda wouldnt use "x" fruit in the manga. exactly why i said "I havn't seen this "Don" but if he had a lava logia, then oda will not use lava logia ever again in the manga/anime. read the SBS on arlongpark.net" replace "lava logia" with "x"

Zik

Oda could've created every single character in that FILLER it doesn't matter. The fact is he knew it wasn't manga cannon worthy. Lets not pretend that the whole filler arc wasn't just to buy time for the manga so the anime wouldn't be suspended cuz it was quickly catching up.

You guys can't argue this both ways. You can't say Oda doesn't use the same Df twice but then go mention Don Achino and his DF like it isn't similar to Ace's ability(in a way). It's either, or; clearly not every DF is individually unique to another.

Clearly those 2 were similar but ONE was filler. So I see no problem with the possibility of a magma/lava logia for Akainu. Not only does it fit from a "Red Dog" perspective but its cool lol(not saying its the only one that fits but blood is just meh to me).

There was a villain in one of the movies with a similar DF to Don Achino:
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Kachi_Kachi_no_Mi

Ivotas

@Shaman:

wow i hardly remember that yet some people(2-3 guys)remember that really clearly. to much time on your hands -_-

I guess I've hit the bullseye. It all makes sense now. You seriously seem to be lacking some comprehensive understand of social interaction (not only reduced to the internet). There's clearly a pattern of exaggerated sensitivity in your posts. You don't have to search for that with a fine tooth comb, it simply strikes the eye. I suggest you learn to take things a bit easier. It will only help you out.

Furthermore having a good memeroy has absolutely nothing to do with showcasing how much time somebody has at his hands. The lack of understanding for that concept also adds to the idea that you are in fact a little inexperienced kid (which you deny so far).

you could keep on saying that its a filler and that it doesnt count go ahead but all im saying that i dont agree and thats it and some dont agree either. i rather heardifferent opinions on different possibilitys than just one cause they feel its absolute.so say what you want to say and support it but dont put down other people possibilitys just cause you dont like it.

This is exactly the point. There is no problems with different opinions on a vague subject. But subject where right and wrong are clearly stated are a different matter. If something is correct then saying "I don't disagree with it" only shows that such a person is utterly ignorant of facts and twists stuff around only to fit his/her own fantastic world view. Denying that filler is not manga canon is in the same league as denying that you can't form a pyramid with three balls. You can still feel free to disagree. It is clear to me know that you also are either a) an idiot b) an ignoramus c) an inexperienced kid or d) a troll. No matter which one it is you qualify for my igno list. Have fun annoying the other members here who have time to waste on you.

cerealmage2188

@Roronoa:

My opinion is that blood may be the one

yeah i totally agree cause fire is taken =P

SillyDragons

My point is that if Akainu gets the lava logia, then the surprise is kinda crap.

igetownd

Akainu won't get a logia. He'll have a psychic type power.

SillyDragons

@igetownd:

Akainu won't get a logia. He'll have a psychic type power.

And where are you getting this info?