Are you serious? I bolded exactly where he says HE LOST his crewmates.
LOST. As in gone. No longer with him. Kaput. Done. Finito. Not around. And if you read the context, you'd figure out that they're dead.
Chapter 511 "Sentoumaru and his Broadaxe" Discussion
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@Fire Fist:
Are you serious? I bolded exactly where he says HE LOST his crewmates.
LOST. As in gone. No longer with him. Kaput. Done. Finito. Not around. And if you read the context, you'd figure out that they're dead.
Kizaru never killed anyones whole crew, but I guess you are referring to that Yonkou Kaidou, it was never stated that he killed off Moria's crew mates. The only info we have on that guy, is that Moria was able to rival him and he is a Yonkou. Moria states that if he had all of those TB servants back then…He never would have lost to that Kaidoh fool in the New World, Thats all we know about the fight between Moria and your precious Yonkou Kaidou.
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_Moria: I found the answer from personal experience.
Why did I lose all my powerful and useful followers,
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Moria: You lose your men because they're ALIVE!!
But if they're undead zombies to begin with, you lose nothing!!!
Zombies are immortal!! An unlimited army to draw upon!!!
And I will use that army to seek the title of Pirate King once more!!
You should be HAPPY you get to serve me as shadows!!!
Read the bold part please._You never gave me what I asked for. It was never stated Kaidou was the guy who killed off Moria's crew.
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To anyone that knows Japanese: What's the term used for "captain" in Sentoumaru's "captain of the science unit"?
The term that is used is 隊長(taichou). It means commanding officer.
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Just because Moria survived an encounter with Kaidou doesn't mean he rivaled him. I mean that's just like if you tried to saythat don krieg rivaled mihawk.
He survived him and believed if he'd doonethings differently he would have been fine and he even believed he could fight Mohawk at the baratie but that doesn't mean he actually could have without getting owned instantly.
Moria was probably devestated by a passing yonkou and his ambitions nearly destroyed by aboard super powerful guy like with Mohawk and krieg I don't see how that says anything about moria being as strong as a yonkiu lol.
All it means is that moria was convinced that his new tactics would work like krieg believed he could have won against Mihawk at the Bararatie. By the way WB could be on a whole other level from the yonkou so they don't fight him and perhaps he doesn't attack them because they successfully cause problems for the WG.
It didn't seem like he was interested in killing the other yonkou even if he could when shanks came his crews initial concern was that shanks came to fight him.
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You never gave me what I asked for. It was never stated Kaidou was the guy who killed off Moria's crew.
Semantics… Regardless, someone killed them and it's implied that it was Kaidou.
Maybe we are jumping to conclusions, fine. But Moria said he lost to Kaidou and that his crew was killed. Who else would kill them, honestly?
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@Fire Fist:
Semantics… Regardless, someone killed them and it's implied that it was Kaidou.
Maybe we are jumping to conclusions, fine. But Moria said he lost to Kaidou and that his crew was killed. Who else would kill them, honestly?
The bold was the most important part of your post, everything else I don't care for. Thanks you for admitting you where jumping to conclusion.
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So…in the last few pages, let me get this straight....
Someone thinks the SHs beat two pacifsta because of inconsistent clothes, and someone doesn't get that it was heavily implied that Kaidou killed Moria's crew.
Moria said he lost to Kaidou, he fears the new world, Kaidou is in the new world...it all makes so much sense It's pretty stupid to assume otherwise when the list of what can kill a shichibukai's crew is so short.
Especially when the one guy who said that Kaidou and Moria were equals was some prissy dude on a ship where a shadow was recovered. He's not a good source of information.
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Someone thinks the SHs beat two pacifsta because of inconsistent clothes, and someone doesn't get that it was heavily implied that Kaidou killed Moria's crew.
No, they say its a fact that Kaidou killed Moria's crew off, I wanted them to show me that fact, where is it stated or shown, They have yet to do that.
Its that simple.
Moria said he lost to Kaidou, he fears the new world, Kaidou is in the new world…it all makes so much sense It's pretty stupid to assume otherwise when the list of what can kill a shichibukai's crew is so short.
Fears as in, Moria wants to go back to the New World for round 2?
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No, they say its a fact that Kaidou killed Moria's crew off, I wanted them to show me that fact, where is it was stated or shown, They have yet to do that.
Its that simple.
What do you think the battle between Kaidou and Moria went down? Moria is no Luffy and has been in fact shown that Moria is a guy who fights with his crew.
If Moria and Kaidou's crew fought, and considering this happened in the past (that flashback rule), Kaidou and his crew probably killed them. And, since Moria is going back to fight Kaidou with an army that he emphasizes "can't die," then it only makes sense to emphasize this strength because "dying" was a problem last time.
But if you want to find a point where Moria specifically spells out how "Kaidou's crew killed my crew," then it's probably not going to happen. Then again, it's pretty shitty of you to use that angle when a lot of things aren't directly stated in this manga, or in a lot of works.
Fears as in, Moria wants to go back to the New World for round 2?
….with, I repeat, an expendable zombie army and a powerful beast like Odz.
Maybe "fear" was the wrong was the wrong word. More like traumatized.
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What do you think the battle between Kaidou and Moria went down?
Does it really matter? Fact is it was never stated Kaidou killed off Moria's crew, It could have been Kaidou's crew that did in Moria's, While Moria's and Kaidou faced off.
Moria is no Luffy and has been in fact shown that Moria is a guy who fights with his crew.
Luffy has been shown that he fights with his crew…..Against Oz, and against a Pacifista.
Moria on the other hand is debate able which I don't want to get into.If Moria and Kaidou's crew fought, and considering this happened in the past (that flashback rule), Kaidou and his crew probably killed them. And, since Moria is going back to fight Kaidou with an army that he emphasizes "can't die," then it only makes sense to emphasize this strength because "dying" was a problem last time.
But if you want to find a point where Moria specifically spells out how "Kaidou's crew killed my crew," then it's probably not going to happen. Then again, it's pretty shitty of you to use that angle when a lot of things aren't directly stated in this manga, or in a lot of works.Whats more sh*tty, me asking where the scans or quotes…. or stating my pro Yonkou opinion's as fact?
….with, I repeat, an expendable zombie army and a powerful beast like Odz.
Still don't change the fact he was going back to the New World.
Maybe "fear" was the wrong was the wrong word. More like traumatized.
No, everything in the bold is wrong, from grammar to what Moria mind set was.
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I'm sure that he got hit on the left side. That's where all to smoke and blood is coming from initially. As for the blood on his right side on the page before last I'll assume it is an old wound opening back up or a mistake. I prefer to see it as an old wound.
I'm inclined to agree with you, mrkaizoku – due to the origin of the blood and smoke. And the "old wound opening" concept is how Oda will most likely describe it in an upcoming SBS, so I can be satisfied with this explanation, too. ^^
Further I see the possible that a wounded Zoro fights against another wounded Supernova in Fishman Island. There are more than enough Characters who get beaten against Kizaru and the Pacifista.
That's a good point, and I think you're right about him not being completely unable to fight – after all, if it's just the left arm that's injured, he's still got his right arm to fight with -- and odds are as likely as not that the next Supernova they encounter will be a previously-injured one.
But -- I think it's important that Zoro be out of the action for at least a week, because it will help to reinforce the idea (both for the crew and for the readers of OP), that in spite of the great progress he's made so far -- he's still nowhere near as strong and powerful as he needs to be to openly challenge Admirals and Shichibukai. One Shichibukai in particular. One who may be in the vicinity soon -- if he decides to heed the WG's call and join the fight against Whitebeard.
@Green:
That x-shaped scar on his right arm is from Alabasta, right?
As best I remember, they used a pen or paint or something, they didn't actually cut themselves. And yes, the "x" was on the inside arm, not the wrist.
@Shaman:
but i gotta say it adds a very human side to zoro instead of seeing this guy who never rests.
Agreed. And it may make him realize that he can't get stronger just by pushing himself to the limit every time. In sports, pushing yourself to the limit results in broken bones and broken dreams as often as it results in broken world-records.
True a logia user can be hit by surprise, but only moments before Brook and Ussop were stabbing/shooting him and their attacks were passing right through him. That leads me to believe that there is something special about Rayleigh(I don't really like this spelling of his name, it looks so un-masculine)other than surprise.
I can see one other possibility. Let me know what you think of it.
We know that Kizaru was "transparent" when Usopp and Brook tried to injure him – but when Robin tried to roll Zoro out from under him, Kizaru stopped her by either stepping around or on top of (I can't really tell from the scan) Zoro. If Kizaru was in "transparent" mode then, Robin should have been able to roll Zoro through Kizaru's leg. But she couldn't. This leads me to believe that at that moment, in order to stop Robin, Kizaru made himself -- or his legs -- "solid". If Rayleigh was near enough and observant enough to notice this, and if Kizaru was too distracted to notice that he was still in "solid" mode, then Rayleigh could easily have kicked his "solid" leg out of the way.
I like this explanation because Rayleigh wouldn't need a DF power to stop Kizaru this way -- he would only need stealth, strength, observation skills, and a heck of a good sense of timing.
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Does it really matter? Fact is it was never stated Kaidou killed off Moria's crew, It could have been Kaidou's crew that did in Moria's, While Moria's and Kaidou faced off.
Luffy has been shown that he fights with his crew…..Against Oz, and against a Pacifista.
Moria on the other hand is debate able which I don't want to get into.Whats more sh*tty, me asking where the scans or quotes.... or stating my pro Yonkou opinion's as fact?
Still don't change the fact he was going back to the New World.
No, everything in the bold is wrong, from grammar to what Moria mind set was.
I stated nothing as fact. What's "shitty" was this angle you're taking of asking for facts from this manga, where there are so many unanswered questions. If you're asking for "facts" then on this subject, you can't lose since it was never really directly stated. It doesn't take much intelligence using this method either, since one can argue that nothing is really "fact." I'd like you to just stop using this method of argument. It's annoying and you're annoying for using it.
And wait…you're arguing whether or not Kaidou or his crew killed Moria's crew? Clearly I missed that earlier.
It's virtually the same thing. Either way Moria would be pissed at the captain of that crew.
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Agreed. And it may make him realize that he can't get stronger just by pushing himself to the limit every time. In sports, pushing yourself to the limit results in broken bones and broken dreams as often as it results in broken world-records.
I like this quote. I like the idea that for Zoro to become stronger, he has to start thinking more flexibly and adaptively, than just trying to force everything. If he just forces everything, Hawkeyes won't even have to attack. He'll just dodge and then wait for Zoro to self-destruct.
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I suggest to Ryuksgelus that if he s so picky about details that he goes read the fight between zoro and kuma on TB.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/07/
look very good : kuma left shoulder : yes , you saw it: his shirt is cut!now see this 4 pages later:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/11/
WOW the cut is gone - go look what happens 2 page before this (p9 panel2)Or are you gonna suggest that it was a SECOND kuma that came on TB
PS: I really don't understand how people can't see the obvious , You r certainly one of those people who really believed sogeking was a new guy from sniperisland!
You forgot this page:
http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000485/09.jpgNotice the top left panel where Kuma is grabbing his shirt to put it back in place. Not to mention later on, you can see the clothes still tattereted. If you wanna be nitpicky then comment on how Zoro's sheaths switch sides between pages on occasion. It's simple art mistakes, nothing more. Same thing with the "X" that Zoro supposedly has on his hand towards the end of the chapter. It's not the "X" from Alabasta, something that we haven't seen since that arc ended. It's just how Oda drew Zoro to look beat up and the lines made an X.
As for the multiple Pacifista defeated debate, my opinion is that they only defeated one Pacifista. Before they begin their assault on it, you can tell that it is already beaten up a bit. http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000071282/10.jpg
Top right panel showing PX-4's face. Not to mention the page prior to that, he was getting up from the Trio combo attack. Oda forgetting to draw his clothes tatterted was a mistake. Also, when the SH beat the Pacifista they only talk about him in the singular the whole time. They never make any mention of beating 2 of them. Sanji's comment when Sentomaru showed up with PX-1 simply means that it's the third Kuma that they have encountered: Thriller Bark, PX-4 and PX-1.
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I stated nothing as fact. What's "shitty" was this angle you're taking of asking for facts from this manga, where there are so many unanswered questions. If you're asking for "facts" then on this subject, you can't lose since it was never really directly stated. It doesn't take much intelligence using this method either, since one can argue that nothing is really "fact." I'd like you to just stop using this method of argument. It's annoying and you're annoying for using it.
And wait…you're arguing whether or not Kaidou or his crew killed Moria's crew? Clearly I missed that earlier.
I really was not, I just gave you what you asked for in the last post. Your really still missing what the debate truly is, to put it in simple terms, I was letting them Pro Yonkou boi's know that there Fanon is not Canon. They claim it is, I ask them to show me, they failed to do so, arguments end.
It's virtually the same thing. Either way Moria would be pissed at the captain of that crew.
Kaidou soloing Moria's + Crew and killing off Moria's crew, is not the same thing as, Moria plus his crew facing off against Kaidou's and his crew, and during the fight or later what have you Moria's crew gets killed by Kaidou's crew.
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We know that Kizaru was "transparent" when Usopp and Brook tried to injure him -- but when Robin tried to roll Zoro out from under him, Kizaru stopped her by either stepping around or on top of (I can't really tell from the scan) Zoro. If Kizaru was in "transparent" mode then, Robin should have been able to roll Zoro through Kizaru's leg. But she couldn't. This leads me to believe that at that moment, in order to stop Robin, Kizaru made himself -- or his legs -- "solid". If Rayleigh was near enough and observant enough to notice this, and if Kizaru was too distracted to notice that he was still in "solid" mode, then Rayleigh could easily have kicked his "solid" leg out of the way.
I like this explanation because Rayleigh wouldn't need a DF power to stop Kizaru this way -- he would only need stealth, strength, observation skills, and a heck of a good sense of timing.
I like this explanation (goes with Occam's razor**).**
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As far as Kaidou V Moria goes. We can simply state Kaidou fought Moria while in the new world fact. Moria lost his whole crew while in the new world. Moria perspective after going to the new world changed. He doesn't want the loss of his crew again. If you can't draw logical conclusions that Kaidou is the cause of Moria crew being lost then IDK what to say.
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Okay, it's official. Chopper must say the name of Kizaru's fruit at least once for it to be a merry Christmas.
I'm liking that glass bauble on Luffy's arm and it's inherent property of bending light. Ugh, on second thought looks like he still has it off. >_<
Also hooray for the Kintaro theme being carried through to include the 'bear' as well. Very clever.
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I really was not, I just gave you what you asked for in the last post. Your really still missing what the debate truly is, to put it in simple terms, I was letting them Pro Yonkou boi's know that there Fanon is not Canon. They claim it is, I ask them to show me, they failed to do so, arguments end.
Kaidou soloing Moria's + Crew and killing off Moria's crew, is not the same thing as, Moria plus his crew facing off against Kaidou's and his crew, and during the fight or later what have you Moria's crew gets killed by Kaidou's crew.
why is it necessary still to discuss about when all things are said:wassat: it
s not stated thats for sure but its the best guess which we could take in who killed morias crew…and why the heck does it interest you to state such a thing?? we were told kaidou is damn strong...so why should oda say later....yeah actually the 4th yonkou killed the weakened crew of moria...would be stupid so we could assume that kaidou will also get the price for doing this ...no fact but as a clever reader you could actually imagine this without needing some1 in the manga who says..." yeah kaidou killed the whole crew" and when you want just facts(iam actually also some1 who just see stated facts in the manga but here...cmon be human its obvious) than i dont understand why you still discuss about it, cause so you will never know who was it...and so its damn bullshiat to discuss about cause it would nothing chance in the one way or the other:getlost: -
Did anyone else notice that this chapter essentially proves the tier system? Oda has them split up into three groups and each one has one person from each tier to create balance.
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Did anyone else notice that this chapter essentially proves the tier system? Oda has them split up into three groups and each one has one person from each tier to create balance.
You´re right. It´s most obvious/explicit for the monster trio "We three …", but
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But keep in mind folks, that order could change in a split second. Remember how things started out during the final assault at TB?
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But – I think it's important that Zoro be out of the action for at least a week, because it will help to reinforce the idea (both for the crew and for the readers of OP), that in spite of the great progress he's made so far -- he's still nowhere near as strong and powerful as he needs to be to openly challenge Admirals and Shichibukai. One Shichibukai in particular. One who may be in the vicinity soon -- if he decides to heed the WG's call and join the fight against Whitebeard.
You’re right that Zoro isn’t nowhere near as strong and powerful as he needs to challenge the Admirals and the remaining Shichibukai but the same is true for Ruffy, so it don’t bother me.
Further for sure Kizaru adds many damage to Zoro, but I don’t view that he is this much wounded like after Kumas attack, so I think he could be much fitter in Fishman Island than during the fight against the Pacifista.
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i decided to delete the original post cause its peoples opinions so forget what i said. why i like tosay is this thing where sentoumaru said he is the captain of the science division, does this mean he is incredibly smart or is it just a title.
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Did anyone else notice that this chapter essentially proves the tier system? Oda has them split up into three groups and each one has one person from each tier to create balance.
IDK about that but I do like the team that they split up to. the two swordsman with the sniper.Sanji and Frankie with Nami. Luffy and Chopper with Robin. All the close range fighters got paired up with someone who can do long range attacks.
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do you think vegapunk ate a devil fruit. something like a smart smart fruit. im just guessing thats how he is so smart
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maybe
but i can imagine vegapunk being just like some old crazy smart guy just quirky and suchi can't wait until he explains a bit more about the df fruits
and with brookes fruit has his fruit regenerated itself since its run its course cause i don't think this damage Zoro has recieved can be healed away with rest. even if he skipped the who arc the pain and damage hes taken from luffy could be on the verge of his heart actcually bursting.
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Kizaru vs Rayleigh is now set it stone.. But what about the Kumabot and Sentoumaru? Do any of you think Rayleigh will fight them to?
I could see Luffy fight and stale Sentoumaru by using Haki or something. But then there still is the Kuma-bot. And the only strawhat that doesn't seem to be complete worn out is Brooke.. But him beating a Kumabot seems way to unlikely. Maybe Capone and Bonney will show up?
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Kizaru vs Rayleigh is now set it stone.. But what about the Kumabot and Sentoumaru? Do any of you think Rayleigh will fight them to?
I could see Luffy fight and stale Sentoumaru by using Haki or something. But then there still is the Kuma-bot. And the only strawhat that doesn't seem to be complete warn out is Brooke.. But him beating a Kumabot seems way to unlikely. Maybe Capone and Bonney will show up?haki wont work on sentoumaru.
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thats intresting and could be made into a good plot twist or something like that.
does anybody think we are overdue for a strong female pirate instead of the ones that seem to be weaker than the male characters. i know is shoenon and mostly guys read it but come on. thats why i hope shakky comes and back rayleigh
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see franky is saying this one and "the real kuma" are twins , if they just defeated 2 kumabots , why didn't he say that they were triplings?????????While I agree with you (i.e. SHP have defeated 1 kuma clone) I think he didn't say that because the word tripling does not exist :)
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I can see one other possibility. Let me know what you think of it.
We know that Kizaru was "transparent" when Usopp and Brook tried to injure him – but when Robin tried to roll Zoro out from under him, Kizaru stopped her by either stepping around or on top of (I can't really tell from the scan) Zoro. If Kizaru was in "transparent" mode then, Robin should have been able to roll Zoro through Kizaru's leg. But she couldn't. This leads me to believe that at that moment, in order to stop Robin, Kizaru made himself -- or his legs -- "solid". If Rayleigh was near enough and observant enough to notice this, and if Kizaru was too distracted to notice that he was still in "solid" mode, then Rayleigh could easily have kicked his "solid" leg out of the way.
I like this explanation because Rayleigh wouldn't need a DF power to stop Kizaru this way -- he would only need stealth, strength, observation skills, and a heck of a good sense of timing.
That makes absolute sense. I can't possibly agree with this statement more.
I agree with Greg that we need Chopper to say ピカ ピカの実 at least once. It would make my life complete.
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@Shaman:
does anybody think we are overdue for a strong female pirate instead of the ones that seem to be weaker than the male characters. i know is shoenon and mostly guys read it but come on. thats why i hope shakky comes and back rayleigh
so what do you think?Lola said her Mom was a powerful Pirate in the new world. She could even possibly be the last uknown Yonkou. My opinion though.
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First of all, it seems that logic seems to go above and over your head. You cannot expect everything to be bloody stated all the time in order for it to be a fact. Sometimes it's meant to be reasoned out and it's done so on purpose so as not to be spoon feeding.
Second, so you're saying that Moria had this large crew, which got destroyed by some random disaster, and then he went to fight against Kaidou? Why would he do that? After losing your bloody crew you don't go fight against one of the four emperors.
Third:
You forgot the most important fact…..You Must FIND One Piece to conquer the New World. You can be strong enough to bust galaxies for all I care, yet still can't find the TV remote.
Show me exactly the scan where this stated.
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This leads me to believe that at that moment, in order to stop Robin, Kizaru made himself – or his legs -- "solid". If Rayleigh was near enough and observant enough to notice this, and if Kizaru was too distracted to notice that he was still in "solid" mode, then Rayleigh could easily have kicked his "solid" leg out of the way.
What about the laser that fired off? A mangrove in the background explodes, suggesting that either Rayleigh was able to kick a 'solid' knee area (meaning Kizaru only made his foot element), or Rayleigh can kick (at least Kizaru) the 'transparent' form for Kizaru's logia.
I agree that with all the SN's and their DF's, it would be nice to show that without such boosts Rayleigh is and was still extremely powerful and resourceful. I also stray away from anything "Haki" related simply because it is so unknown, and that if it were incorporated with special attacks of some sort then how would it be any different than what Zoro does all the time? Just a different name. A hype and buildup to be like "Oh, yeah it is just what Zoro and a million other people in the series do…". The only alternative to these I have heard so far (and I did not see it mentioned on the forums surprisingly ~~ unless I missed it; I searched though) is a theory a friend of mine came up with: What if Rayleigh coated himself or something, and that is how he is able to deflect or make contact with Rayleigh.
I know it could be a little far fetched. It could even be pretty imaginative. But at the same time, no less valid than 'Haki' or sneak attacks. It gives his "hobby" a little more umph, and removes the Haki and DF disappointment many readers might have, while retaining that strange sort of comical twisted logic Oda has.
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^^ i love that idea but the problem is that wouldnt we be able to see the bubble if he was covered with it
Lola said her Mom was a powerful Pirate in the new world. She could even possibly be the last uknown Yonkou. My opinion though.
i do believe that she could be the last yonkou but just one powerful female is not much, thats like saying someone asks you if you want ice cream and you said yes but all you get is a tear size drop:sad:
thats why i think that shakky is gonna help rayleigh against the three enemies cause i think she is powerful cause she was chased by garp and in my opinion he is known for chasing powerful pirates.so rayleigh vs kizaru while shakky vs kuma and sontoumaru and i know people might think shakky is not that strong but who knows we dont much about her yet.:ninja:
heres hoping for kuma, sontoumaru , kizaru vs rayleigh, shakky, and other old pirates battle. i know im not the only one who wants to see this
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@Shaman:
^^ i love that idea but the problem is that wouldnt we be able to see the bubble if he was covered with it.
Perhaps. Perhaps ship coating and the likes is different; or perhaps can be depending on how the material used to coat is applied to the object/person/etc. More or less why I added in the "or something".
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Perhaps. Perhaps ship coating and the likes is different; or perhaps can be depending on how the material used to coat is applied to the object/person/etc. More or less why I added in the "or something".
thats a good point in my opinion thats a whole lot better than haki or a devil fruit. your friend has a good imagination and ideas
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i don't think that rayleigh will be able to fight kizaru, sentoumaru and the kumabot at the same time, i'm sure he will get some backup, maybe shakky,or what about kidd and law after they were able to beat their kumabot.
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i think law and kid are not like the straw hat crew where they help people who need it especially kid ( in my eyes hes seems focused on himself and his crew) i dont know about law but theres a possibility.
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I think it's also possible that the fight against WB will start soon so kizaru and the other two are forced to join it and rayleigh will "only" buy some time for the SH
Does the Pacifista and Sentoumaru really need to join with the WB vs. Booki fight? Seems to me that Sentoumaru at the least was already on the island killing time. I agree and also hope that Kizaru will leave due to time restrictions, and that Rayleigh will only help in that aspect.
The thing I am worried about is the SHP's being so exhausted already from PX-4. I am hoping they make a getaway ~~ get rest and food ~~ then take on Sentoumaru and/or another Kumabot. Nami seems to be effective enough against a Kumabot, unless she has some sort of restriction to the amount of Lightning blasts she can pull off in a day, so I could imagine another Kumabot win without Zoro and Luffy in the heat of the battle. (I assume Zoro is down for the count for a while, and that Luffy would take on Sentoumaru). ^^If they even have another major battle. I actually hope to see this arc conclude somewhat without a major battle outside the PX-4 skirmish.
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Perhaps. Perhaps ship coating and the likes is different; or perhaps can be depending on how the material used to coat is applied to the object/person/etc. More or less why I added in the "or something".
We know it's done by a Giant Paintbrush.
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i think nami could do more then one thunder lance cause its not really her power its the weapons. i could see her surrounding the kuma bot with the thunder lance clouds and shes on top of his head and all of them hit the kuma.
it will be called VALKYRIE THUNDER LANCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:devil:
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Nami definetly needs to be pumping more attacks out of the PCT, but the only thing that makes me think it wont happen is that she would be screwing with the climate too much or something.
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I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but did anyone else pick up the connection with Rayleigh scattering and Rayleigh deflecting the light kick? I'm just wondering if there's an even deeper meaning to be read from this - does Rayleigh have "sky" powers, as Rayleigh scattering causes the sky to appear blue? Is that how he coats ships for diving, by placing sky all around them?
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pretty sure that came up, but not the sky ability part. he coats the ship though with resin, we know that much.
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i think thats not just a coinecedence ( bad spelling:sad:) and that rayleigh probably had a history with kizaru and that its some skill that he came up with against kizaru to fight him back then or some power he has against light or logias but i think his power is not a devil fruit or haki, spirit, aura whatever you want to call it. its something original that he only knows.
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I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but did anyone else pick up the connection with Rayleigh scattering and Rayleigh deflecting the light kick? I'm just wondering if there's an even deeper meaning to be read from this - does Rayleigh have "sky" powers, as Rayleigh scattering causes the sky to appear blue? Is that how he coats ships for diving, by placing sky all around them?
yes it's been stated
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Sky Sky no mi you say? Too awesome so not plz. And there is other coater's so do they have sky sky no mi too ya think?
