This was a great chapter. It's interesting to know that the Kuma clones have their own "ID". So far, it looks like there are 4 of the Kuma clones according to the "ID" of the Kuma clone that the Strawhats fought with. Which the "ID" was PX4. I wonder if there will be more of them.
Sentoumaru's design looks awesome. I like how he has a strong defense and is very strong without having a devil fruit. It's interesting to know that Sentoumaru does not despise pirates, and he is Vegapunk's bodyguard. I wonder if we will see Vegapunk soon in the next couple of chapters?
Lastly, I don't think Rayleigh is using his aura or seastone to kick Kizaru. I think it might be something else. Maybe some new way to hurt logia type devil fruit users. Hope it will be revealed how Rayleigh kicked Kizaru next chapter.
Chapter 511 "Sentoumaru and his Broadaxe" Discussion
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Whoa, amazing chapter. Gave me chills.
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Could it be…... that the dark king has seastone on his sandels?
You guys dont get it?? For me its okay if he has seastone in his sandals, but i dont think so, the amazing thing is that kizaru is kicking in the speed of light and rayleigh can block his kick! This thing is amazing dude! Kizaru is kicking at the speed f light because he is light? If so then you can say that rayleigh kicked at the speed of light too but WITHOUT the DF! Just forget about the sandals for a while…
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I don't like how weak the SHP are they are fucking worn out from one Kuma Bot where he barely did anything to them and Drake was kicking the Kuma bots ass by his self till Kizaru interrupted this is bull shit and disappointing to say the least.
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Rayleigh!
Man, that was a good chapter after a two week wait. I wouldn't be surprised to see Chopper head over to Zoro now and see either Brooke/Usopp go with Luffy's group.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
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Isn't Robin > Sentamarou like all to obv. She should just clutch him.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Isn't Robin > Sentamarou like all to obv. She should just clutch him.
Why can't people understand that even if a baby got me in the clutch hold I could just break the arms. The same applies to Robin, she is weak enough so that Sentoumaru can just rustle himself free. Do you really thing that she'd have the strengt to hold him down ?
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Why can't people understand that even if a baby got me in the clutch hold I could just break the arms. The same applies to Robin, she is weak enough so that Sentoumaru can just rustle himself free. Do you really thing that she'd have the strengt to hold him down ?
She had the strength to hold off that dude in sky piea
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she couldnt hold off Zoros zombie
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Zoro was going to give his life for Luffy when he was KO, Luffy isn´t going to do the same and I believe that this could make an split in the crew for the next chapters.
Of course they won´t split as two different crews but the confidance between Zoro and Luffy could break apart.
Zoro really didn't do it for Luffy alone. He did it for the crew. And I think Luffy would be willing to sacrifice himself for the crew (or at least put himself in great risk.)
And really, the only think Zoro probably would get angry over would if Luffy impedes his goals greatly in some way. Which would go back to the conditions he joined the crew under.
@Fire Fist:
Raleigh wouldn't be that cheap.
That's being resourceful, not cheap. I see that a more likely thing for him to damage a logia than haki (which so many people seem to consider despite it's explanations so far having no relation to the matter.)
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Why can't people understand that even if a baby got me in the clutch hold I could just break the arms. The same applies to Robin, she is weak enough so that Sentoumaru can just rustle himself free. Do you really thing that she'd have the strengt to hold him down ?
Yama is just as big as Sentoumaru. And pray tell, how can you break her arms if your arms were constricted?
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she couldnt hold off Zoros zombie
I don't think that fight was actually shown in the manga (could be wrong though.) In the anime, she didn't even try to clutch, but feed him salt.
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Forget the breaking for a moment, Sentoumaru is strong enough to repel Luffys attack and strike back with effect and all that with ease. Robin won't have the strenght to hold him.
Like Luffy bushed apart that building in W7, Senoumaru would get himself free.
And talking size-wize, being big does not mean being strong.
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the art this chapter was amazing
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i think the power of Sentoumaru has something to do with his clothes and the "sharingan" , cuz on page 12 you can see his back without knot and one page further it is there.
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Forget the breaking for a moment, Sentoumaru is strong enough to repel Luffys attack and strike back with effect and all that with ease. Robin won't have the strenght to hold him.
Like Luffy bushed apart that building in W7, Senoumaru would get himself free.
And talking size-wize, being big does not mean being strong.
She clutched Moria…..
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It said it in the spoiler thread but i'll say it again; Zoro will sit Fishman Island out for reasons of recovery time.
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Fucking I also would like to point out the teams they split up into were fucking awesome. Holy shit I want to see an equal fight with these teams of 3 in the future.
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i think the power of Sentoumaru has something to do with his clothes and the "sharingan" , cuz on page 12 you can see his back without knot and one page further it is there.
Please, no sharingan theories D=
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I don't think that fight was actually shown in the manga (could be wrong though.)
Indeed, you are…
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/468/15/In the anime, Robin actually tried to hold him twice and failed. Yeah, she beat Yama, but Yama was a nobody compared to Sentoumaru.
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Sorry for Double Post… But can't wait for next week... How Rayleigh kicked Kizaru. All of Brooke and Ussops attacks went through him...
Brooke tried to pierce him and i think that was the problem.
people said that a sword could hurt kizaru, but brook tried to slice him and it did'nt work.
so, how do you hurt a man made of light?that's not a bad theory but i want a universal theory for beating logias. I'm hoping it'll be something simple like needing to have killing spirit in your moves.
@MonkeyDMalcolm:
I don't like how weak the SHP are they are fucking worn out from one Kuma Bot where he barely did anything to them and Drake was kicking the Kuma bots ass by his self till Kizaru interrupted this is bull shit and disappointing to say the least.
they've been a very active bunch since arriving at the island but all in all, we all knew as readers that they were WAY too weak for the New World.
I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler
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they've been a very active bunch since arriving at the island but all in all, we all knew as readers that they were WAY too weak for the New World.
Rayleigh trains the SHP ??????
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
She clutched Moria…..
She did. But in my opinion Moria didn't really try to unclutch himself, he always had his shadow as a safeguard.
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@MonkeyDMalcolm:
Rayleigh trains the SHP ??????
Either that or Garp will. Remember he's still yet to surface.
I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler
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Why the hell would Garp train pirates?! Are you forgetting that the last time they ran into one another, he tried to crush them with AN IRON BALL AS BIG AS A BATTLESHIP?!
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You guys dont get it?? For me its okay if he has seastone in his sandals, but i dont think so, the amazing thing is that kizaru is kicking in the speed of light and rayleigh can block his kick! This thing is amazing dude! Kizaru is kicking at the speed f light because he is light? If so then you can say that rayleigh kicked at the speed of light too but WITHOUT the DF! Just forget about the sandals for a while…
I think you're mistaken about what actually happened there. Kizaru was just holding up his foot to zap Zoro with a beam. Rayleigh just kicked his leg from the side, and the beam went off to blow something else up. Kizaru's leg wasn't moving.
So the surprising thing was that Rayleigh's leg didn't go right through. Well, the real surprising thing was that nobody noticed him approaching, but that's standard manga practice, and can be safely ignored.
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the amazing thing is that kizaru is kicking in the speed of light and rayleigh can block his kick! This thing is amazing dude! Kizaru is kicking at the speed f light because he is light? If so then you can say that rayleigh kicked at the speed of light too but WITHOUT the DF!
Actually in this case, Kizaru is not kicking at the speed of light but charging a laser. The SHB got enough time to shout, worry, Robin got enough time to just pull Zoro outta the way, Kizaru rearranges his foot. Then, shortly before the laser is shot, Rayleigh appears and deflects it by pushing Kizarus leg into another direction.
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Why the hell would Garp train pirates?! Are you forgetting that the last time they ran into one another, he tried to crush them with AN IRON BALL AS BIG AS A BATTLESHIP?!
He was sent to do that by Sengoku and was ultimately happy that the Mugiwara made their escape. The better question would be; "what type of grandfather would allow their grandchild to go somewhere knowing that it would only inevitably lead to their death?"
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He was sent to do that by Sengoku and was ultimately happy that the Mugiwara made their escape. The better question would be; "what type of grandfather would allow their grandchild to go somewhere knowing that it would only inevitably lead to their death?"
Garp already knew about Luffy plan to go to the New world since W7. He did not do anything now why should he do something now?
He knows that Luffy will go no matter what he says.
Though one thing confused me how can Rayleigh's leg make contact does he have a Anti DF ability?
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It said it in the spoiler thread but i'll say it again; Zoro will sit Fishman Island out for reasons of recovery time.
He's been heavily injured before. Even when it was by Mihawk he still fought while injured.
Indeed, you are…
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/468/15/In the anime, Robin actually tried to hold him twice and failed. Yeah, she beat Yama, but Yama was a nobody compared to Sentoumaru.
That's interesting. Not consistent with who she's actually been able to break (Aokiji, Moria, and even held Oz.) Though it could be argued she didn't try the clutching motions in that (as I believe even the number of arms she used for him despite his size is different.)
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I have wondered in the first time we see Kizaru that Zoro has the same pattern on his shirt how Kizaru on his clothes. It’s funny that the people with the same pattern make a meeting with beam and upper body (I image that Zoro get hit on his sore, because it suits him if he gets damage on his weak points).
If there would have been even the slightest clue for that elemental stuff to be true we would be seeing it in signatures and versus threads everywhere already.
OK, then lets start in my signature. 
Mihawk the “Hawk Eyes” and the invincible swordsman can cut elements.
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By the way, Sentoumaru actually isn't that tall, especially when you look at him next to Kuma, Brooke, and Kizaru. He's about the same height as Sanji.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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I don't know if I'm the only one who did, but did anyone notice that Sentoumaru is using Sumo moves like Kuma (the real one).
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I noticed. I originaly though that maybe Vegapunk used his bodyguards defense style and put it into the pacifista.
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U mean programmed it into the real Kuma?
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Yeah, and his pacifista "clones".
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Small thing, I thought it was kinda cool that the 3 teams they split into(though they didn't stay apart too long) were made up of a 1 low, mid, and high tier strawhat.
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Garp already knew about Luffy plan to go to the New world since W7. He did not do anything now why should he do something now?
He knows that Luffy will go no matter what he says.
Though one thing confused me how can Rayleigh's leg make contact does he have a Anti DF ability?
Garp did indeed, but did he have the opportunity? Nope he never, his whole crew was there, however this time it's different, everyones back is turned and he's there on his own.
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can i ask a question? whats this fascination with aura, haki,or spirit to being the answer to fighting logias cause thats confusing. It seems people are determined to have that as the asnwer.
@Sir:
Small thing, I thought it was kinda cool that the 3 teams they split into(though they didn't stay apart too long) were made up of a 1 low, mid, and high tier strawhat.
remember the whole tier thing is fan made, oda himself doesnt follow the tier (well i dont think so anyways)XP
oh sorry for double posting my mistake just wanted to add somethingWITH IN ALL OF US IS SOME KIND OF ANIMAL AND IT IS UP TO US IF WE CHOOSE TO RELEASE IT - WORDS FROM A LAZY WHALE 
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@Shaman:
can i ask a question? whats this fascination with aura, haki,or spirit to being the answer to fighting logias cause thats confusing. It seems people are determined to have that as the asnwer.
People think it's mystical and magical so it can do things like that.
It doesn't.
Also, Japanese children will be roaring with laughter come Monday.
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@Shaman:
remember the whole tier thing is fan made, oda himself doesn't follow the tier (well i dont think so anyways)XP
oh sorry for double posting my mistake just wanted to add somethingZoro, Luffy, and Sanji have been called the monster trio in the manga. They are obviously the strongest and Nami, Ussop, and Chopper are at the bottom. I don't want to start a whole "power-levels" debate, but there are definitely "general" levels for the strawhats.
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@Fire Fist:
By the way, Sentoumaru actually isn't that tall, especially when you look at him next to Kuma, Brooke, and Kizaru. He's about the same height as Sanji.
I'm wondering is there a reason why everyone seems so tall in comparison to the SHP.
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Wahahahaha, boy was I disappointed at Sentomaru's design. In itself it doesn't suck, but boy was that something I never saw coming.^^
What does suck however is that he is indeed a marine. Not because I was wrong with my bounty hunter prediction but because I was really hoping to see strong bounty hunters for once in One Piece. I mean Sabaody was supposed to have the best of them there and we didn't even see one, while we've seen three kidnapping teams. Thumbs down on that. :(
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@Shaman:
can i ask a question? whats this fascination with aura, haki,or spirit to being the answer to fighting logias cause thats confusing. It seems people are determined to have that as the asnwer.
that to me is far better than them using seastone equipment to beat logia type users but it might no even be haki but if it was i don't mind
well reread the chapter and whoa the whole crew loves Zoro
the way Sanji was shouted out for Zoro
And Nami
And chopper
and Ussop
Brookes
Luffy he really looked seriously looking stressed. I seriously predicting some luffy Zoro emotional development between captain n first mate just like Gold rodger and SilverThe way they split up seemed like the way wb crew was
Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
all having mini crews if the crew as 30members strong
but we know this would never happenI believe silver picked the best way to save Zoro
Zoro too has use his feat when in mini battles with sanji when he din't have weapons i don't think kishido should take too much ideas on this for now
Zoro has felt the pain of his dream and thought through it
But now hes carrying the pain of Luffy and every single member in the crews pain including his owni say this due to what Mi hawk told him way back in the begining slicing him deep to make him feel the pain of his dreams, now luffy as captain is in charge of making sure all his crew members dreams stay alive, that and his own is what he fights for
thats whay he risks his life for
and its this pain that luffy went through in the odz fight that was passed onto Zoro who hasn't got a rubber heart to deal with itNow silver as a first mate new that his captain was dieing, in fact Zoro probally now realises his captain will begin to start dieing if luffy continues the way he is and Zoro is going to go through some mental anguish as he realises his dream means nothing when his captain is putting everything on the line alone and would want to help him, this is when silver and Zoro maybe together coat the ship while chatting for the next few days while the rest chill.
Fishman arc will be when Zoro steps up to hold the crew dreams with Luffy on his shoulders
Sanji may also do the samebut Zoro n luffy will get the major power ups in Fishman island
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@Sir:
Zoro, Luffy, and Sanji have been called the monster trio in the manga. They are obviously the strongest and Nami, Ussop, and Chopper are at the bottom. I don't want to start a whole "power-levels" debate, but there are definitely "general" levels for the strawhats.
not to be rude but if you talk about ranking you kind of set your self for a debate especially about power the monster trio is true i will admit that but for the rest of the crew its not safe to assume. Again i dont mean to be rude
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@Shaman:
not to be rude but if you talk about ranking you kind of set your self for a debate especially about power the monster trio is true i will admit that but for the rest of the crew its not safe to assume. Again i dont mean to be rude
So its not safe to assume that Nami, Ussop and Chopper are the weakest?
Oda himself saying Ussop would always be the weakest. -
that may be ussop but not the rest f the crew. all im saying is not to quickly assume anything thats why i dont pay attention to the whole tier thing cause its not really absolute.
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that to me is far better than them using seastone equipment to beat logia type users but it might no even be haki but if it was i don't mind
well reread the chapter and whoa the whole crew loves Zoro
the way Sanji was shouted out for Zoro
And Nami
And chopper
and Ussop
Brookes
Luffy he really looked seriously looking stressed. I seriously predicting some luffy Zoro emotional development between captain n first mate just like Gold rodger and SilverThe way they split up seemed like the way wb crew was
Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
all having mini crews if the crew as 30members strong
but we know this would never happenI believe silver picked the best way to save Zoro
Zoro too has use his feat when in mini battles with sanji when he din't have weapons i don't think kishido should take too much ideas on this for nowZoro has felt the pain of his dream and thought through it
But now hes carrying the pain of Luffy and every single member in the crews pain including his owni say this due to what Mi hawk told him way back in the begining slicing him deep to make him feel the pain of his dreams, now luffy as captain is in charge of making sure all his crew members dreams stay alive, that and his own is what he fights for
thats whay he risks his life for
and its this pain that luffy went through in the odz fight that was passed onto Zoro who hasn't got a rubber heart to deal with itNow silver as a first mate new that his captain was dieing, in fact Zoro probally now realises his captain will begin to start dieing if luffy continues the way he is and Zoro is going to go through some mental anguish as he realises his dream means nothing when his captain is putting everything on the line alone and would want to help him, this is when silver and Zoro maybe together coat the ship while chatting for the next few days while the rest chill.
Fishman arc will be when Zoro steps up to hold the crew dreams with Luffy on his shoulders
Sanji may also do the samebut Zoro n luffy will get the major power ups in Fishman island
Well of course, he's a fellow strawhat, remember when Ussop was about to be killed by Jyabura, Nami basically begged him to stop, Zoro tried to save him and I'm sure if all the others was there they would've been scared also
